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On May 02 2012 23:13 budar wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2012 22:43 sGs.Stregon wrote:
And I went lurking, but I couldnt find the thread that had a little clip of Destiny raging calling a korean a skill less gook, because destiny got beat.. and the Sc2 communiy, by-and-large, defended his statements, and told the korean to stop complaining about it happening.
Sc2 community is falling apart at the seams Yeah... it's actually not. Destiny is like 0.01% of the sc2 community so you don't need to worry. Reading this thread, I see a lot of people practically suicidal over BW "dying", but looking at their join date, it's so obvious they came here after SC2 came out. It's sad to see so many people being so fake. Anyway, I myself am pretty disappointed that BW seems to be going away, but in a way, it was to be expected. After all, every game gets replaced by another game eventually, whether you like it or not. I used to be an avid q2 player (best FPS ever, by far), only to have it pretty much replaced by horrible FPS games that to this day rule the FPS "eSports scene". But anyway, I started playing the original SC1 one day after it came out in the US. Living in Croatia, that was actually a big deal because, in those days, we had a pretty big lag for games arriving (probably a month or two at least, depending on the game). I just got lucky and had a family member in NYC leaving for Croatia on the day the game opened. To this day it's probably my favorite game of all time, and I have very fond memories of it... I also made some lifelong friends playing Broodwar. Anyway, I played quite a lot on b.net and customs over modem when b.net was too laggy up to about when WC3 came out. During that period, it wasn't really possible to follow the Korean scene in a meaningful way from Croatia, since Internet connections weren't up to the task of downloading many-megabyte VOD-s. I remember getting a few VOD-s from a friend and rewatching them over and over. I started following the Korean scene probably around 2006 or 2007, but not religiously or anything. I'm a big Zerg fanboy so I'd watch most of the Zerg games, and mostly skip the rest. When SC2 beta came around, I actually started following BW more than ever... I think I watched pretty much every broadcast game last year. The fact that it's ending really does suck, but all these mindless SC2 bashing is really pathetic, to be honest. In fact, when I started playing the beta, I know right away it had the "it" factor, just like Broodwar did. I'm not going to counter the "arguments" against it that you see in these kinds of threads because that's just a waste of time. But believe me when I tell you, it's a great game, and it's just going to get better. In fact, out of SC1, WC3 and SC2 vanilla, SC2 is by far the best. Expansions have made both SC1 and WC3 so much better, and there's really no reason to expect that the SC2 expansions will make it worse. So my advice to you, if you're a BW fan, give it a chance... watch a big tournament or two. The gameplay we're seeing now is so much better than what you might have seen a year ago. Even though it's a lot easier on many levels than BW, it's also harder in other ways in the sense that you have to do things that are literally impossible to do in BW due to it's mechanics. The skill ceiling is still insanely high and we've been seeing more and more great games played. With the BW pros switching, this will probably be the single most competitive game in history, and the prospect of that seems very exciting.
You'll see from my join date that i fell in love with proBW just before SC2 beta. I was in fact looking for news on SC2's release and found TL. But according to you I'm fake because ... me enjoying BW isn't born from a sense of nostalgia? BW is timeless and SC2 will never have "it" because Acti-Blizz can't make money off games with double digit lifespans.
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On May 02 2012 23:34 TrainSamurai wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2012 23:31 lolboi222 wrote:On May 02 2012 23:22 white_horse wrote:On May 02 2012 23:05 Jakkerr wrote:On May 02 2012 22:51 vOdToasT wrote:On May 02 2012 22:22 Jakkerr wrote:
I don't really get why people would stop watching, you might not like SC2.
But u can't tell me it wouldn't feel good if the pro BW players u guys love tear up the current SC2 scene just to prove a point?
To prove what point? That they are better RTS players? Who fucking cares? pro BW is still dead, and SC2 is still a shitty game compared to BW, the game it replaced. People are nostalgic and people are butthurt. People are hateful and people are spiteful. I just hope that SC2 will keep flourishing, because why wouldn't you want that?
If I was nostalgic, I would say that Command & Conquer is the best, because that's what I grew up with. But I'm not nostalgic, BW is just the best real time strategy game that has ever existed. I got in to it in 2009. Please don't tell yourself that the reason people dislike SC2 is because of nostalgia. It's because we think the game, based on its own timeless merits, is a piece of shit compared to Brood War, and it replaced Brood War. Umm... no. Starcraft 2 is a different game. Broodwar made Starcraft what it is today so who is to say that one of Sc2's expansions won't do the same? We can argue forever about shitty games and non-shitty games etc. But looking at it from your side, isn't there a chance the BW players would help to make the game better with their play? And who knows what Hots is gonna bring. Don't bring out the HOTS card because it doesn't mean anything. People act like its somehow going to change SC2 so that it becomes an excellent game overnight but the truth is that unless they totally overhaul the game, there is still going to be deathballs, wimpy micro, and uninteresting ingame battles. A mod doesn't fix these things. Hots card...Because brood war didnt change sc1 By that logic one could argue that sc2 is just a massive expansion pack with a new engine for BW . It made it worse bro. Hots gonna do the same.
Umm... no. Starcraft 2 is a different game. Broodwar made Starcraft what it is today so who is to say that one of Starcraft 2's expansions won't do the same?
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On May 02 2012 23:40 Neonarg wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2012 23:34 TrainSamurai wrote:On May 02 2012 23:31 lolboi222 wrote:On May 02 2012 23:22 white_horse wrote:On May 02 2012 23:05 Jakkerr wrote:On May 02 2012 22:51 vOdToasT wrote:On May 02 2012 22:22 Jakkerr wrote:
I don't really get why people would stop watching, you might not like SC2.
But u can't tell me it wouldn't feel good if the pro BW players u guys love tear up the current SC2 scene just to prove a point?
To prove what point? That they are better RTS players? Who fucking cares? pro BW is still dead, and SC2 is still a shitty game compared to BW, the game it replaced. People are nostalgic and people are butthurt. People are hateful and people are spiteful. I just hope that SC2 will keep flourishing, because why wouldn't you want that?
If I was nostalgic, I would say that Command & Conquer is the best, because that's what I grew up with. But I'm not nostalgic, BW is just the best real time strategy game that has ever existed. I got in to it in 2009. Please don't tell yourself that the reason people dislike SC2 is because of nostalgia. It's because we think the game, based on its own timeless merits, is a piece of shit compared to Brood War, and it replaced Brood War. Umm... no. Starcraft 2 is a different game. Broodwar made Starcraft what it is today so who is to say that one of Sc2's expansions won't do the same? We can argue forever about shitty games and non-shitty games etc. But looking at it from your side, isn't there a chance the BW players would help to make the game better with their play? And who knows what Hots is gonna bring. Don't bring out the HOTS card because it doesn't mean anything. People act like its somehow going to change SC2 so that it becomes an excellent game overnight but the truth is that unless they totally overhaul the game, there is still going to be deathballs, wimpy micro, and uninteresting ingame battles. A mod doesn't fix these things. Hots card...Because brood war didnt change sc1 By that logic one could argue that sc2 is just a massive expansion pack with a new engine for BW . It made it worse bro. Hots gonna do the same. Umm... no. Starcraft 2 is a different game. Broodwar made Starcraft what it is today so who is to say that one of Starcraft 2's expansions won't do the same?
Starcraft two came out later than Broodwar (like how BW came out after starcraft)
Starcraft too had access to more technological advances ( like BW)
Starcraft 2 was an update for the starcraft franchise (like brood to sc)
Yet it failed to take off in the most RTS crazed country on the planet. Hots comes out later than sc2, more updated tech than sc2, expands on the sc franchise... you see where I'm going with this don't you?
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On May 02 2012 23:49 TrainSamurai wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2012 23:40 Neonarg wrote:On May 02 2012 23:34 TrainSamurai wrote:On May 02 2012 23:31 lolboi222 wrote:On May 02 2012 23:22 white_horse wrote:On May 02 2012 23:05 Jakkerr wrote:On May 02 2012 22:51 vOdToasT wrote:On May 02 2012 22:22 Jakkerr wrote:
I don't really get why people would stop watching, you might not like SC2.
But u can't tell me it wouldn't feel good if the pro BW players u guys love tear up the current SC2 scene just to prove a point?
To prove what point? That they are better RTS players? Who fucking cares? pro BW is still dead, and SC2 is still a shitty game compared to BW, the game it replaced. People are nostalgic and people are butthurt. People are hateful and people are spiteful. I just hope that SC2 will keep flourishing, because why wouldn't you want that?
If I was nostalgic, I would say that Command & Conquer is the best, because that's what I grew up with. But I'm not nostalgic, BW is just the best real time strategy game that has ever existed. I got in to it in 2009. Please don't tell yourself that the reason people dislike SC2 is because of nostalgia. It's because we think the game, based on its own timeless merits, is a piece of shit compared to Brood War, and it replaced Brood War. Umm... no. Starcraft 2 is a different game. Broodwar made Starcraft what it is today so who is to say that one of Sc2's expansions won't do the same? We can argue forever about shitty games and non-shitty games etc. But looking at it from your side, isn't there a chance the BW players would help to make the game better with their play? And who knows what Hots is gonna bring. Don't bring out the HOTS card because it doesn't mean anything. People act like its somehow going to change SC2 so that it becomes an excellent game overnight but the truth is that unless they totally overhaul the game, there is still going to be deathballs, wimpy micro, and uninteresting ingame battles. A mod doesn't fix these things. Hots card...Because brood war didnt change sc1 By that logic one could argue that sc2 is just a massive expansion pack with a new engine for BW . It made it worse bro. Hots gonna do the same. Umm... no. Starcraft 2 is a different game. Broodwar made Starcraft what it is today so who is to say that one of Starcraft 2's expansions won't do the same? Starcraft two came out later than Broodwar (like how BW came out after starcraft) Starcraft too had access to more technological advances ( like BW) Starcraft 2 was an update for the starcraft franchise (like brood to sc) Yet it failed to take off in the most RTS crazed country on the planet. Hots comes out later than sc2, more updated tech than sc2, expands on the sc franchise... you see where I'm going with this don't you?
No game could have successfully dethrone bw from day1, just because of the culture. Your logic needs polishing.
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I've had my stint in SC2 and I can't see myself going back. It was fun for me up to diamond level, but beyond that everyone can pick a build and execute it fairly well, and due to the lack of effective force multipliers in the game if you lose one battle generally you lose the game. The game boiled down to surviving your opponent's build order first and foremost, and if one player gets away with some deception they have a huge advantage. If I wanted to play a strategy game I'd play chess, and if I wanted to play a game of chance I'd play poker. They made the game so easy and forgiving mechanically they diluted what made SC special: comparing how well you can manage your mental resources against your opponent's in real time.
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On May 02 2012 23:54 lolboi222 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2012 23:49 TrainSamurai wrote:On May 02 2012 23:40 Neonarg wrote:On May 02 2012 23:34 TrainSamurai wrote:On May 02 2012 23:31 lolboi222 wrote:On May 02 2012 23:22 white_horse wrote:On May 02 2012 23:05 Jakkerr wrote:On May 02 2012 22:51 vOdToasT wrote:On May 02 2012 22:22 Jakkerr wrote:
I don't really get why people would stop watching, you might not like SC2.
But u can't tell me it wouldn't feel good if the pro BW players u guys love tear up the current SC2 scene just to prove a point?
To prove what point? That they are better RTS players? Who fucking cares? pro BW is still dead, and SC2 is still a shitty game compared to BW, the game it replaced. People are nostalgic and people are butthurt. People are hateful and people are spiteful. I just hope that SC2 will keep flourishing, because why wouldn't you want that?
If I was nostalgic, I would say that Command & Conquer is the best, because that's what I grew up with. But I'm not nostalgic, BW is just the best real time strategy game that has ever existed. I got in to it in 2009. Please don't tell yourself that the reason people dislike SC2 is because of nostalgia. It's because we think the game, based on its own timeless merits, is a piece of shit compared to Brood War, and it replaced Brood War. Umm... no. Starcraft 2 is a different game. Broodwar made Starcraft what it is today so who is to say that one of Sc2's expansions won't do the same? We can argue forever about shitty games and non-shitty games etc. But looking at it from your side, isn't there a chance the BW players would help to make the game better with their play? And who knows what Hots is gonna bring. Don't bring out the HOTS card because it doesn't mean anything. People act like its somehow going to change SC2 so that it becomes an excellent game overnight but the truth is that unless they totally overhaul the game, there is still going to be deathballs, wimpy micro, and uninteresting ingame battles. A mod doesn't fix these things. Hots card...Because brood war didnt change sc1 By that logic one could argue that sc2 is just a massive expansion pack with a new engine for BW . It made it worse bro. Hots gonna do the same. Umm... no. Starcraft 2 is a different game. Broodwar made Starcraft what it is today so who is to say that one of Starcraft 2's expansions won't do the same? Starcraft two came out later than Broodwar (like how BW came out after starcraft) Starcraft too had access to more technological advances ( like BW) Starcraft 2 was an update for the starcraft franchise (like brood to sc) Yet it failed to take off in the most RTS crazed country on the planet. Hots comes out later than sc2, more updated tech than sc2, expands on the sc franchise... you see where I'm going with this don't you? No game could have successfully dethrone bw from day1, just because of the culture. Your logic needs polishing.
Sc2 players love blaming sc2's popularity in SK on everything but the game. I have never seen a sc2 player type "I think the koreans just don't like sc2". Nope always the usual variant of nostalga and kespa conspiracy.
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my post-bw plans? keep playing bw
nothing really changes after the switch aside from not having a pro scene to watch anymore, sc2 will still be a shitty game, and bw will still exist for those who play it
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Man, watching those videos really made me miss the old days :'(
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Time for Dota 2. At least Valve knows how to make a proper sequel.
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On May 02 2012 23:40 Neonarg wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2012 23:34 TrainSamurai wrote:On May 02 2012 23:31 lolboi222 wrote:On May 02 2012 23:22 white_horse wrote:On May 02 2012 23:05 Jakkerr wrote:On May 02 2012 22:51 vOdToasT wrote:On May 02 2012 22:22 Jakkerr wrote:
I don't really get why people would stop watching, you might not like SC2.
But u can't tell me it wouldn't feel good if the pro BW players u guys love tear up the current SC2 scene just to prove a point?
To prove what point? That they are better RTS players? Who fucking cares? pro BW is still dead, and SC2 is still a shitty game compared to BW, the game it replaced. People are nostalgic and people are butthurt. People are hateful and people are spiteful. I just hope that SC2 will keep flourishing, because why wouldn't you want that?
If I was nostalgic, I would say that Command & Conquer is the best, because that's what I grew up with. But I'm not nostalgic, BW is just the best real time strategy game that has ever existed. I got in to it in 2009. Please don't tell yourself that the reason people dislike SC2 is because of nostalgia. It's because we think the game, based on its own timeless merits, is a piece of shit compared to Brood War, and it replaced Brood War. Umm... no. Starcraft 2 is a different game. Broodwar made Starcraft what it is today so who is to say that one of Sc2's expansions won't do the same? We can argue forever about shitty games and non-shitty games etc. But looking at it from your side, isn't there a chance the BW players would help to make the game better with their play? And who knows what Hots is gonna bring. Don't bring out the HOTS card because it doesn't mean anything. People act like its somehow going to change SC2 so that it becomes an excellent game overnight but the truth is that unless they totally overhaul the game, there is still going to be deathballs, wimpy micro, and uninteresting ingame battles. A mod doesn't fix these things. Hots card...Because brood war didnt change sc1 By that logic one could argue that sc2 is just a massive expansion pack with a new engine for BW . It made it worse bro. Hots gonna do the same. Umm... no. Starcraft 2 is a different game. Broodwar made Starcraft what it is today so who is to say that one of Starcraft 2's expansions won't do the same?
BW added units and made a lot of balance changes. It did not change nor overhaul core mechanics. SC2 is pretty balanced right now and is far more balanced than SC was before BW was released.
The problems BW veterans have with SC2 are mostly game design decisions. High ground advantage is too small. Units clump too much. The only units with moving shot are mostly automated. The Protoss race is just terribly designed and needs a serious overhaul, not just new units.
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On May 03 2012 00:10 ZoW wrote:
my post-bw plans? keep playing bw
nothing really changes after the switch aside from not having a pro scene to watch anymore, sc2 will still be a shitty game, and bw will still exist for those who play it
A person with a brain.
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Brood War players are sounding more and more like the CS 1.6 community
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On May 03 2012 00:29 Sspinner wrote:
Brood War players are sounding more and more like the CS 1.6 community
BW : SC2
1.6 : Source
SSBM : SSBB
Yeah the analogies have been drawn many times over.
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Till October: Watch the last OSL and pray that once OSL proper starts, the pros still in actually devote their full efforts to it. As in not repeating the ODT... That was just bad, quality and player elimination-wise (Jaedong and Bisu) 
I'll try and watch the mixed proleague, but I am unsure how to cope with watching BW mixed with a game I don't enjoy watching. The thought that SC2 practice will divert effort from OSL is quite painful.
Post-October: Cry, catch foreign tournaments like Defiler Tour and try to catch Afreeca streams. And cry for the world I fell in love with that lasted for 12 years and went away with, with the ways things are going, little dignity.
I am kicking myself because I had lots of free time when I started uni but did not follow BW till my 3rd year. I could have seen more, damn it.
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On May 03 2012 00:29 Sspinner wrote:
Brood War players are sounding more and more like the CS 1.6 community
The big difference is that 1.6 still has a scene and is really popular in Europe at least.
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On May 03 2012 00:30 seRapH wrote:Show nested quote +On May 03 2012 00:29 Sspinner wrote:
Brood War players are sounding more and more like the CS 1.6 community BW : SC2 1.6 : Source SSBM : SSBB Yeah the analogies have been drawn many times over.
sf2t : sf4
tea : coffee
*tries to think of more...*
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On May 03 2012 00:38 slappy wrote:Show nested quote +On May 03 2012 00:30 seRapH wrote:On May 03 2012 00:29 Sspinner wrote:
Brood War players are sounding more and more like the CS 1.6 community BW : SC2 1.6 : Source SSBM : SSBB Yeah the analogies have been drawn many times over. sf2t : sf4 tea : coffee *tries to think of more...*
Judaism : Christianity
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I think the foreign scene in its' current state still has a good couple of years left, so I'll stay for that and help with whatever I can to keep it going. Not having any televised leagues is gonna suck big time, but that still doesn't mean BW is gonna die out overnight.
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On May 03 2012 00:40 seRapH wrote:Show nested quote +On May 03 2012 00:38 slappy wrote:On May 03 2012 00:30 seRapH wrote:On May 03 2012 00:29 Sspinner wrote:
Brood War players are sounding more and more like the CS 1.6 community BW : SC2 1.6 : Source SSBM : SSBB Yeah the analogies have been drawn many times over. sf2t : sf4 tea : coffee *tries to think of more...* Judaism : Christianity + Show Spoiler +
oh damn you just went there! funny cuz Christ was a Jew... *brain explodes*
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On May 03 2012 00:32 huehuehuehue wrote:Show nested quote +On May 03 2012 00:29 Sspinner wrote:
Brood War players are sounding more and more like the CS 1.6 community The big difference is that 1.6 still has a scene and is really popular in Europe at least.
Sadly 1.6 used to be popular everywhere in the globe and now ? Like you said it's really popular in europe and compared to it's glorious day that's really bad .
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