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ne4aJIb
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Russian Federation3209 Posts
April 05 2012 22:44 GMT
#1081
Don't know what to think, on the one hand I don't want to bw die like that, maybe until LoV's last patch will come, on the other hand as personal fan on BW pros I would like to see them playing SC2, but I can wait 5 more years. And really don't like idea of mixed league, better be two separate, and don't like BW pros practicing 2 different games, I hope this wasn't the reason why Effort failed so hard recently.
Bisu,Best,Stork,Jangbi and Flash, Fantasy, Leta, Light and Jaedong, Hydra, Zero, Soulkey assemble in ACE now!
bgx
Profile Joined August 2010
Poland6595 Posts
April 05 2012 22:45 GMT
#1082
On April 06 2012 07:39 Megaliskuu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 06 2012 07:17 masterbreti wrote:
The end of foreigners playing in Korean league, and the end of Koreans playing in foreign leagues is coming, and fast. Its happening. We all know Kespa will put an end to Korean-foreign teamups and will put an end to it all.

Makes me sad I only have a limited time left in Korea before Kespa bans me from one of their leagues. Sucks T_T


I hope this is a joke post lol. Foreigners were always "excluded" because the foreign scene was almost non-existant anyway, and the players sucked too much to compete with the koreans.

No kespa will exclude all, and say YOU ARE NOT WORTHY PLAYING JDOOONG! They will also ban MLG in America, and Esports will stop.
Stork[gm]
blade55555
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States17423 Posts
April 05 2012 22:47 GMT
#1083
On April 06 2012 06:28 Let it Raine wrote:
i wish they didnt use smurfs, ive probably played a number of them.


haha yeah I just wish I read korean and they didn't use smurfs would be cool to be able to say I played like jaedong or something
When I think of something else, something will go here
haitike
Profile Joined June 2009
Spain2707 Posts
April 05 2012 22:48 GMT
#1084
On April 06 2012 07:17 masterbreti wrote:
The end of foreigners playing in Korean league, and the end of Koreans playing in foreign leagues is coming, and fast. Its happening. We all know Kespa will put an end to Korean-foreign teamups and will put an end to it all.

Makes me sad I only have a limited time left in Korea before Kespa bans me from one of their leagues. Sucks T_T


It is not kespa fault that foreigners sucked so much. You know, Idra had a programer licence and he was able to play pro games. He just was too bad for play.
biaxiong
Profile Joined March 2011
United States180 Posts
April 05 2012 22:48 GMT
#1085
This is great! What the coach say is spot on. Sc2, because of the foreign scene is the future and we need Korea lead the way. Dota and like games are coming also. Great time to be an e-sports fan.
WhiteRa: More GG, more skill.
rasers
Profile Joined February 2010
Sweden691 Posts
April 05 2012 22:54 GMT
#1086
On April 06 2012 07:48 biaxiong wrote:
This is great! What the coach say is spot on. Sc2, because of the foreign scene is the future and we need Korea lead the way. Dota and like games are coming also. Great time to be an e-sports fan.

well i guess SC2 boys like u have 1 good thing... they see EVERYTHIGN no matter what. positive. and so awesome in the future. and all woho nice yeah yeah.
Chained
Profile Joined February 2010
United States137 Posts
April 05 2012 22:55 GMT
#1087
Basically, I hope BW fights until its last breath, but to think it would never die off seems silly to me. I hope BW fights until it needs to surrender and that SC2 develops well. All I can hope for.
Bayyne
Profile Joined January 2011
United States1967 Posts
April 05 2012 23:04 GMT
#1088
His comments about JD's skill in SC2 with what seems to be very little playtime gets me all hot. JD fighting!
Remember not only to say the right thing in the right place, but far more difficult still, to leave unsaid the wrong thing at the tempting moment.
maybenexttime
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
Poland5510 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-05 23:05:45
April 05 2012 23:04 GMT
#1089
On April 06 2012 06:58 Kazuki wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 06 2012 06:54 maybenexttime wrote:
So Blizzard achieved their goal and effectively killed BW. Now that their eyes are on SC2, they'll milk it as much as possible and extort more money from tournament organizers, then they'll let the game rot. Disgusting.


Yeah, that's why they just announced the world championships. To extort more money from tournament organizers.

Maybe lift that stone you're lying under, and actually pay attention.


Aren't they charging any bigger event like 50% of the sponsorship money? That's what I've read, I believe.


On April 06 2012 07:12 Scrandom wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 06 2012 06:54 maybenexttime wrote:
So Blizzard achieved their goal and effectively killed BW. Now that their eyes are on SC2, they'll milk it as much as possible and extort more money from tournament organizers, then they'll let the game rot. Disgusting.


How many years has BW been running? Stop acting like they just suddenly brought it up and killed it.


They've been trying to kill BW since a couple of years by now... The lawsuit was one of the two major reasons why BW lost a lot of its sponsorship potential.


Prediction: Once KeSpa fully switches to SC2 Koreans start dominating like they used to in BW (past tense because foreigners don't aspire to compete with the top Koreans anymore). Then the foreign scene rapidly loses interest because of the lack of "heroes" people can identify with. After 1-2 years SC2 dies down almost completely because Blizzard refuses to fix the glaring issues in the game.


On April 06 2012 08:04 Bayyne wrote:
His comments about JD's skill in SC2 with what seems to be very little playtime gets me all hot. JD fighting!


It's a shame there's no Muta micro in SC2, though. Hopefully he plays Terran. Seems to be the most micro intensive race.
TORTOISE
Profile Joined December 2010
United States515 Posts
April 05 2012 23:08 GMT
#1090
I'm very excited to see the BW big boys playing SC2! Im glad we finally have clarity on the issue, too. We've been in the dark for too long.
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bgx
Profile Joined August 2010
Poland6595 Posts
April 05 2012 23:10 GMT
#1091
On April 06 2012 08:04 maybenexttime wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 06 2012 06:58 Kazuki wrote:
On April 06 2012 06:54 maybenexttime wrote:
So Blizzard achieved their goal and effectively killed BW. Now that their eyes are on SC2, they'll milk it as much as possible and extort more money from tournament organizers, then they'll let the game rot. Disgusting.


Yeah, that's why they just announced the world championships. To extort more money from tournament organizers.

Maybe lift that stone you're lying under, and actually pay attention.


Aren't they charging any bigger event like 50% of the sponsorship money? That's what I've read, I believe.


Show nested quote +
On April 06 2012 07:12 Scrandom wrote:
On April 06 2012 06:54 maybenexttime wrote:
So Blizzard achieved their goal and effectively killed BW. Now that their eyes are on SC2, they'll milk it as much as possible and extort more money from tournament organizers, then they'll let the game rot. Disgusting.


How many years has BW been running? Stop acting like they just suddenly brought it up and killed it.


They've been trying to kill BW since a couple of years by now... The lawsuit was one of the two major reasons why BW lost a lot of its sponsorship potential.


Prediction: Once KeSpa fully switches to SC2 Koreans start dominating like they used to in BW (past tense because foreigners don't aspire to compete with the top Koreans anymore). Then the foreign scene rapidly loses interest because of the lack of "heroes" people can identify with. After 1-2 years SC2 dies down almost completely because Blizzard refuses to fix the glaring issues in the game.


Show nested quote +
On April 06 2012 08:04 Bayyne wrote:
His comments about JD's skill in SC2 with what seems to be very little playtime gets me all hot. JD fighting!


It's a shame there's no Muta micro in SC2, though. Hopefully he plays Terran. Seems to be the most micro intensive race.

Well to be frank JD has no place in SC2 zerg, he will be just better clone of whoever will be hottest pre-Kespa switch zerg player. Terran allows to show more personality in someone's play but on other hands it would be devastating to see him as terran...
Stork[gm]
Apollo_Shards
Profile Joined February 2011
1210 Posts
April 05 2012 23:18 GMT
#1092
On April 06 2012 05:15 rotinegg wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 06 2012 03:53 Antoine wrote:
it was on gamechosun, http://news.naver.com/main/read.nhn?mode=LSD&mid=sec&sid1=105&oid=023&aid=0002378420 should work

So here's a short summary:

-Coaches have been very careful about discussing SC2, but now with Kespa talking to Blizz about SC2 again, this pressure is gone and people can talk about it more freely now.
-Coach Ju saying biggest factors to their poor performance were short preparation time before the season began, being cheesed alot, Bo5 instead of Bo7 making it harder to come back, etc.
-Says even being away for a week shows in performance, and many had been team-less for months before being picked up by team8 + the pressure to perform in order to attract a sponsor weighed heavily on everybody's mind.
-On sea's slump, he said he trusted in sea's experience of leading MBC Game as its ace to recover from his slump by himself, but even though he seemed to know what to do to recover, he didn't put his words into action. Through having a long talk at a public bath, coach saw he still had passion and he has got his act together since then, so Coach Ju has high hopes.
-When asked if he will stick with his 6 starters, he says yes. He says there is a chance that SC2 will be implemented into the schedule next season, in which case it will become a Bo7 once again and his starting lineup might see a change, but otherwise with just BW, the 3 rookies lag far behind the 6 starters, so they won't see much play time.
-His stance on running BW and SC2 in the same league is 'trial and error.' He says somebody will complain regardless of what get's done. He isn't against implementing SC2 in the same league. He is against a complete switch from BW to SC2, but he says SC2 is a necessary stepping stone for e-sports to branch out internationally, so there needs to be some way of transitioning,
-On the question of "will sc2 help team8?" he says no, because other teams have been practicing since the beginning of last season, while team8 really didn't have the capacity to incorporate it into their schedule.
-He says his team is currently in the talks with a few potential sponsors.
-His thoughts on foreign tourneys in SC2: not a big problem, and he thinks it is only natural to enter, and the mingling of foreign and Korean players is a step in the right direction.
-His thoughts on the skill gap between current SC2 pros and BW pros: although the gap is huge at the moment, he isn't worried, as he believes BW pros will catch up quickly.
-How good is JD in SC2? Coach Ju: players who were dominant in BW also seem to be dominant in SC2. His feel for the game and macro is impeccable. He is studying unfamiliar strats from VOD's. He had a hard time adjusting at first but since the game is fun the players have gotten very competitive about their ladder points. Some have made multiple accounts to start over and get to masters quickly. Since hotkeys are adjustable, that makes it easier to transition. However the pace of the game is much faster. Right now we are focusing on SC2. At the beginning it was hard to incorporate both games into our regime, but now we are used to it.
-Other teams? Coach Ju: Not sure about their skill levels. We [=the different teams] haven't really shared who is even playing SC2. One thing is for sure though: most high masters on ladder these days are current BW pros.
-Thoughts on BW fans against incorporating SC2? Coach Ju: Lots of people are against the idea of change, but I want to ask them, as fans of esports, what is the right choice? Nobody plays BW outside of Korea anymore, and looking 5 years ahead, transitioning to SC2 is the right decision. It would be a disservice to all the foreign fans wanting to watch JD play SC2 to limit him to BW. If you give SC2 a chance, most of the time people have the reaction of 'It's actually more fun than I thought.' I hope people can give it a chance.
-Predictions for SKPL finals? Coach Ju: KT has momentum, while SKT got to choose the maps for the first and last game. I think a big factor is Coach Park's (SKT T1's coach) decision to just sacrifice a scrub for Flash or bring one of his aces and make em go head to head and try to beat him. I don't believe the series will be one-sided in either direction.



I really like his attitude. Not the insular type mindset that was sometimes seen in BW.
Jaedong, sOs, avilo, MaSa, Oprah
Sakarabu
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United Kingdom132 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-05 23:21:32
April 05 2012 23:20 GMT
#1093
Thoughts on BW fans against incorporating SC2?

Coach Ju: Lots of people are against the idea of change, but I want to ask them, as fans of esports, what is the right choice? Nobody plays BW outside of Korea anymore, and looking 5 years ahead, transitioning to SC2 is the right decision. It would be a disservice to all the foreign fans wanting to watch JD play SC2 to limit him to BW. If you give SC2 a chance, most of the time people have the reaction of 'It's actually more fun than I thought.' I hope people can give it a chance.


Amazingly well put, he is obviously a very smart man. This comment shows amazing foresight and humility towards the fans and players. Fantastic attitude to have.
TheButtonmen
Profile Joined December 2010
Canada1401 Posts
April 05 2012 23:20 GMT
#1094
On April 06 2012 08:04 maybenexttime wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 06 2012 06:58 Kazuki wrote:
On April 06 2012 06:54 maybenexttime wrote:
So Blizzard achieved their goal and effectively killed BW. Now that their eyes are on SC2, they'll milk it as much as possible and extort more money from tournament organizers, then they'll let the game rot. Disgusting.


Yeah, that's why they just announced the world championships. To extort more money from tournament organizers.

Maybe lift that stone you're lying under, and actually pay attention.


Aren't they charging any bigger event like 50% of the sponsorship money? That's what I've read, I believe.


No?

Like I'd love to see your source for that because Blizzard taking sponsorship money sounds impossible and completely dumb. Blizzard does take a cut of the advertising revenue for tournaments over $5k which don't have a partnership with Blizzard but all the major ones (Dreamhack, IEM, GSL, MLG, IGN, ect) all have partnerships with Blizz.
Kubricks
Profile Joined November 2011
284 Posts
April 05 2012 23:22 GMT
#1095
Flash and his cohorts will bring about a cleansing for the current SC2 progamer.

Unless the one true Terran God, MKP can take up the mantle. This is going to be an incredible upcoming year for SC2. Goddammit, I'm excited.
Kazuki
Profile Joined April 2011
Netherlands121 Posts
April 05 2012 23:25 GMT
#1096
On April 06 2012 08:20 TheButtonmen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 06 2012 08:04 maybenexttime wrote:
On April 06 2012 06:58 Kazuki wrote:
On April 06 2012 06:54 maybenexttime wrote:
So Blizzard achieved their goal and effectively killed BW. Now that their eyes are on SC2, they'll milk it as much as possible and extort more money from tournament organizers, then they'll let the game rot. Disgusting.


Yeah, that's why they just announced the world championships. To extort more money from tournament organizers.

Maybe lift that stone you're lying under, and actually pay attention.


Aren't they charging any bigger event like 50% of the sponsorship money? That's what I've read, I believe.


No?

Like I'd love to see your source for that because Blizzard taking sponsorship money sounds impossible and completely dumb. Blizzard does take a cut of the advertising revenue for tournaments over $5k which don't have a partnership with Blizzard but all the major ones (Dreamhack, IEM, GSL, MLG, IGN, ect) all have partnerships with Blizz.


Exactly. I think I heard Robert Simpson or someone deny that they are taking such money as well. Don't remember where they said it.

I can understand that you're disappointed that BW isn't going the way you want it to, but to blame it all on Blizzard and saying they are just taking (our) money, is not true at all.
rasers
Profile Joined February 2010
Sweden691 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-05 23:40:55
April 05 2012 23:40 GMT
#1097
On April 06 2012 08:25 Kazuki wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 06 2012 08:20 TheButtonmen wrote:
On April 06 2012 08:04 maybenexttime wrote:
On April 06 2012 06:58 Kazuki wrote:
On April 06 2012 06:54 maybenexttime wrote:
So Blizzard achieved their goal and effectively killed BW. Now that their eyes are on SC2, they'll milk it as much as possible and extort more money from tournament organizers, then they'll let the game rot. Disgusting.


Yeah, that's why they just announced the world championships. To extort more money from tournament organizers.

Maybe lift that stone you're lying under, and actually pay attention.


Aren't they charging any bigger event like 50% of the sponsorship money? That's what I've read, I believe.


No?

Like I'd love to see your source for that because Blizzard taking sponsorship money sounds impossible and completely dumb. Blizzard does take a cut of the advertising revenue for tournaments over $5k which don't have a partnership with Blizzard but all the major ones (Dreamhack, IEM, GSL, MLG, IGN, ect) all have partnerships with Blizz.


Exactly. I think I heard Robert Simpson or someone deny that they are taking such money as well. Don't remember where they said it.

I can understand that you're disappointed that BW isn't going the way you want it to, but to blame it all on Blizzard and saying they are just taking (our) money, is not true at all.

srsly cut the "oh you are disappointed blablablalbalb shit" but then again people like u rlly think this companys give a fuck about you :D and not just about your money. so actually dont know why i wrote this comments since its pointless talkign 2 guys lik eu. since u believe every bullshit ur beloved people say.

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Carnivorous Sheep
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Baa?21242 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-05 23:44:50
April 05 2012 23:44 GMT
#1098
On April 06 2012 07:42 Xiphos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 06 2012 07:33 Atoissen wrote:
On April 06 2012 06:54 maybenexttime wrote:
So Blizzard achieved their goal and effectively killed BW. Now that their eyes are on SC2, they'll milk it as much as possible and extort more money from tournament organizers, then they'll let the game rot. Disgusting.

Dude, its not really Blizzard's fault... Its us, the people watching, sponsing etc.
As the coach says, noone outside Korea play BW anymore, and the sponsors in Korea is also disapearing, in a very short time, the pro teams wont have money enough to be pro teams.
I wish I knew about the BW scene before I got into SC2, I really do, and I hate to see it disapear bacuse I see how much it means to others, but its stupid to blame it all on Blizz... If it wasnt for them you would never have had the game anyway =)


I blame ESTRO`s management. They could have gave Ret a progamer licence and the entire foreign scene would have shifted. CJ will field Greg Field with ESTRO fielding Jos De Kroon. Then as time goes on, more and more foreigners will start to catch up to the Koreans and solicify BW as a definition of a `sport`internationally.


idra and ret were below B teamers in terms of ability nothing would've been different at all lol they wouldn't have gotten any games
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eviltomahawk
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States11133 Posts
April 05 2012 23:48 GMT
#1099
On April 06 2012 08:25 Kazuki wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 06 2012 08:20 TheButtonmen wrote:
On April 06 2012 08:04 maybenexttime wrote:
On April 06 2012 06:58 Kazuki wrote:
On April 06 2012 06:54 maybenexttime wrote:
So Blizzard achieved their goal and effectively killed BW. Now that their eyes are on SC2, they'll milk it as much as possible and extort more money from tournament organizers, then they'll let the game rot. Disgusting.


Yeah, that's why they just announced the world championships. To extort more money from tournament organizers.

Maybe lift that stone you're lying under, and actually pay attention.


Aren't they charging any bigger event like 50% of the sponsorship money? That's what I've read, I believe.


No?

Like I'd love to see your source for that because Blizzard taking sponsorship money sounds impossible and completely dumb. Blizzard does take a cut of the advertising revenue for tournaments over $5k which don't have a partnership with Blizzard but all the major ones (Dreamhack, IEM, GSL, MLG, IGN, ect) all have partnerships with Blizz.


Exactly. I think I heard Robert Simpson or someone deny that they are taking such money as well. Don't remember where they said it.

I can understand that you're disappointed that BW isn't going the way you want it to, but to blame it all on Blizzard and saying they are just taking (our) money, is not true at all.

Reddit? I do remember reading about it in a comment thread on /r/starcraft. Totalbiscuit initially brought up the whole idea of tourneys over $5k being required to turn in money, but I do remember seeing Rob Simpson and a few other folks come into that thread to correct a few things regarding that.

However, a lot of things are under NDA, so nothing is for certain.
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mr.grimm
Profile Joined April 2010
Sweden63 Posts
April 06 2012 00:17 GMT
#1100
JD, violate my eyes once again.
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