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Liquid`Ret
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
Netherlands4511 Posts
Last Edited: 2005-08-12 07:03:00
August 12 2005 06:59 GMT
#1
Should Fisheye get a raise at SSV Lenitz in order to stimulate his productivity, so he might have a slight chance to qualify himself for ESL?

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Poll: Should Fisheye get a raise?
(Vote): Hell Yeah!! He deserves it!
(Vote): If that's what it takes to raise his winpercentage over 15%..
(Vote): No, this clown ain't gettin' shit done.
(Vote): What? He should be paying SSV Lenitz

serz keitel.. what happenen? it's the 6th round already mang.. tbh im somewhat disappointed who knows.. maybe reach's pvz might actually be better than yours after all..

afk dinner
Team Liquid
Sfydjklm
Profile Blog Joined April 2005
United States9218 Posts
August 12 2005 07:01 GMT
#2
i'd hit it
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Kaolla
Profile Joined January 2003
China2999 Posts
Last Edited: 2005-08-12 07:07:19
August 12 2005 07:04 GMT
#3
if only he had the speed, the strategical understanding and quality of a player like... say Pusan im sure he woulda won 6 on a row...
too bad keitel ;(
its me
Frits
Profile Joined March 2003
11782 Posts
August 12 2005 07:05 GMT
#4
What's the matter with fisheye ?

Is he playing bad atm? What did I miss.
karelen
Profile Joined October 2003
Sweden2407 Posts
August 12 2005 07:07 GMT
#5
lol, i'm sure fisheye will pull through in the end
zzzzzz
Carnac
Profile Blog Joined December 2003
Germany / USA16648 Posts
August 12 2005 07:08 GMT
#6
he's not in good shape, at least it seems so, haven't watched any replays lately
there are 8 qualifiers for the EPS, 6 were held so far and fisheye didn't manage to qualify yet -_-
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Kaolla
Profile Joined January 2003
China2999 Posts
August 12 2005 07:08 GMT
#7
On August 12 2005 16:07 karelen wrote:
lol, i'm sure fisheye will pull through in the end


well he better with 12 of the better players gone there should be 1 tourney where even the Fish can place himself -_-
its me
iNsaNe-
Profile Joined January 2005
Finland5201 Posts
August 12 2005 07:08 GMT
#8
On August 12 2005 16:05 Frits wrote:
What's the matter with fisheye ?
Is he playing bad atm? What did I miss.


German EPS, haven't qualified, yet.
It takes a fool to remain sane.
Carnac
Profile Blog Joined December 2003
Germany / USA16648 Posts
August 12 2005 07:09 GMT
#9
oh and ret, it's leHnitz
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Smorrie
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
Netherlands2923 Posts
August 12 2005 07:10 GMT
#10
it's funny how he always makes comments about korean p's playing shitty, but he can't even qualify for the ESL after 6 tries.. each round the skill level gets easier since the best players already qualified.. sure, he'll make it in 12 times but still.. ><
It has a strong technique, but it lacks oo.
Carnac
Profile Blog Joined December 2003
Germany / USA16648 Posts
August 12 2005 07:12 GMT
#11
On August 12 2005 15:59 ret wrote:
maybe reach's pvz might actually be better than yours after all..

hehe, didn't even see that one
actually he failed pvp at least twice
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Kaolla
Profile Joined January 2003
China2999 Posts
Last Edited: 2005-08-12 07:15:39
August 12 2005 07:14 GMT
#12
On August 12 2005 16:12 Carnac wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 12 2005 15:59 ret wrote:
maybe reach's pvz might actually be better than yours after all..

hehe, didn't even see that one
actually he failed pvp at least twice


it was a joke -_- cause he always talks down on the korean tosses >.<
its me
Carnac
Profile Blog Joined December 2003
Germany / USA16648 Posts
Last Edited: 2005-08-12 07:17:26
August 12 2005 07:16 GMT
#13
THANK YOU CAPTAIN OBVIOUS

and yeah i remember his comment on the reach vs ipxzerg games pretty vividly: http://teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?currentpage=8&topic_id=29981
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Kaolla
Profile Joined January 2003
China2999 Posts
Last Edited: 2005-08-12 07:22:31
August 12 2005 07:20 GMT
#14
well mister sarcasm maybe if u would learn to apply it ppl would understand...
'didnt even see that one'
which one??
so take a lesson in writing comprehensible english -_-; but enough of the off topic stuff -.-
its me
Carnac
Profile Blog Joined December 2003
Germany / USA16648 Posts
Last Edited: 2005-08-12 07:24:46
August 12 2005 07:23 GMT
#15
uh, what's so hard to understand? i just didn't notice ret's little teasing when i read his post for the first time -_- also i seriously doubt that your english is better than mine.
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HaiVan
Profile Joined April 2005
Bulgaria1698 Posts
August 12 2005 07:27 GMT
#16
On August 12 2005 16:23 Carnac wrote:
uh, what's so hard to understand? i just didn't notice ret's little teasing when i read his post for the first time -_- also i seriously doubt that your english is better than mine.

C'mon duke it out grammar style !
Listen to The Special One
Liquid`Daaman
Profile Joined January 2003
Sweden1225 Posts
August 12 2005 07:32 GMT
#17
erh fisheye rox, didn't know that even being completely inactive (which he btw isn't?) he would still qualify for this quite easily =P maybe he's having some personal crisis, let's not criticize! fisheye GOGOGO
Comfortably Numb
NonYold
Profile Joined April 2004
United States2814 Posts
August 12 2005 07:36 GMT
#18
hilarious :O
Jathin
Profile Blog Joined February 2005
United States3505 Posts
August 12 2005 07:39 GMT
#19
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VaST
Profile Joined April 2005
50 Posts
August 12 2005 07:57 GMT
#20
On August 12 2005 15:59 ret wrote:
afk dinner
DreamyRose you are my one and only. All my LOVE is for YOU, SARAH, ADD ME F L MAN kOKoKOK =]-
ManaBlue
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
Canada10458 Posts
August 12 2005 08:00 GMT
#21
I might be reading into this too much but I sense a very subtle and small amount of resentment in ret right now...


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rel
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
Guam3521 Posts
August 12 2005 08:15 GMT
#22
Maybe he could practice PVP with Draco
I'll tank push my way into her heart. ☮♥&$!
Liquid`Jinro
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
Sweden33719 Posts
August 13 2005 01:49 GMT
#23
On August 12 2005 16:20 Kaolla wrote:
well mister sarcasm maybe if u would learn to apply it ppl would understand...
'didnt even see that one'
which one??
so take a lesson in writing comprehensible english -_-; but enough of the off topic stuff -.-

Kaolla, SHUT THE FUCK UP.

You always do this, try to re-read posts that you think are saying something bad at least twice kk?
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Asta
Profile Joined October 2002
Germany3491 Posts
August 13 2005 01:57 GMT
#24
he even made it to the bo3 stage and failed. he must be having some self confidence problems. or he's misreading the maps ^^ dunno but i have faith he will make it and play good in the final league. (much practice now)
ubergamer15
Profile Joined January 2005
United States645 Posts
August 13 2005 02:04 GMT
#25
On August 12 2005 16:32 Liquid`Daaman wrote:
erh fisheye rox, didn't know that even being completely inactive (which he btw isn't?) he would still qualify for this quite easily =P maybe he's having some personal crisis, let's not criticize! fisheye GOGOGO


Yes. Gogo Fisheye! <3
An optimist sees the glass half-full. A pessimist sees the glass half-empty. An engineer sees a waste of half a glass.
Physician *
Profile Blog Joined January 2004
United States4146 Posts
August 13 2005 02:22 GMT
#26
On August 12 2005 17:00 ManaBlue wrote:
I might be reading into this too much but I sense a very subtle and small amount of resentment in ret right now...


Oh no, it is not resentment, it is jelousy.
"I have beheld the births of negative-suns and borne witness to the entropy of entire realities...."
cYaN
Profile Joined May 2004
Norway3322 Posts
August 13 2005 02:34 GMT
#27
yeah... cause ret sucks
Musli
Profile Blog Joined February 2004
Poland5130 Posts
August 13 2005 03:02 GMT
#28
"What? He should be paying SSV Lenitz"
haha nice one =)
still, go Fishy ~~
Our greatest glory is not in never falling, but in rising every time we fall || mail/msn: muslii@gmail.com
HyObOy
Profile Joined June 2005
Korea (South)98 Posts
August 13 2005 03:51 GMT
#29
This should be a warning to the current sub-top players right now in the foreign sc scene, just because you were good, dosent mean you can idle for half a year and still be good

keep playing like PJ who even plays random west players to keep his skills up

fisheye is good and hes proved it but he was so idle before the SSV thing and now look whats happened to him
Canadian born, so my Korean is choppy, umm k? ^^
NuclearAntelope
Profile Joined February 2003
United States1369 Posts
August 13 2005 04:19 GMT
#30
I think the fact that he's playing zerg and terran in these tournies has something to do with it.
people are similar in nature. its the experience of life that makes them so different.
Jathin
Profile Blog Joined February 2005
United States3505 Posts
August 13 2005 04:41 GMT
#31
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nortorius
Profile Joined April 2003
Canada1210 Posts
August 13 2005 04:56 GMT
#32
On August 13 2005 13:41 Jathin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 13 2005 13:19 NuclearAntelope wrote:
I think the fact that he's playing zerg and terran in these tournies has something to do with it.


And Protoss...a few of his losses were to P players.

Oh shit, the fact that he's playing Z, T, and P has something to do with it!


.. I think he meant he's USING T/Z in some matches, but I could be wrong
Musli
Profile Blog Joined February 2004
Poland5130 Posts
August 13 2005 05:01 GMT
#33
On August 13 2005 13:56 nortorius wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 13 2005 13:41 Jathin wrote:
On August 13 2005 13:19 NuclearAntelope wrote:
I think the fact that he's playing zerg and terran in these tournies has something to do with it.


And Protoss...a few of his losses were to P players.

Oh shit, the fact that he's playing Z, T, and P has something to do with it!


.. I think he meant he's USING T/Z in some matches, but I could be wrong

You're right.
If u arent a true random u shouldnt play other races in such tourneys cuz then your main race gets weaker. Like Fish i see ...
Our greatest glory is not in never falling, but in rising every time we fall || mail/msn: muslii@gmail.com
NuclearAntelope
Profile Joined February 2003
United States1369 Posts
August 13 2005 05:06 GMT
#34
Well he played z and t vs kar and got absolutely slaughtered 2-0, the games weren't really close. If he is serious about ESL he should play protoss I think .
people are similar in nature. its the experience of life that makes them so different.
[pG]BrEaKdOwN
Profile Joined January 2005
Germany141 Posts
August 13 2005 05:31 GMT
#35
its not esl u dummy its eps =)
NuclearAntelope
Profile Joined February 2003
United States1369 Posts
August 13 2005 05:40 GMT
#36
Same thing, the "E" in EPS stands for ESL anyway.
people are similar in nature. its the experience of life that makes them so different.
FalliNinLove
Profile Blog Joined June 2004
Slovakia865 Posts
August 13 2005 06:14 GMT
#37
or he just dont care bout that after some time you get tired of winning and lose motivation... we will see wcg cos i am sure motivation is there
rel
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
Guam3521 Posts
August 13 2005 06:16 GMT
#38
i dunno, if you get 2nd, after trying your hardest, i dunno i woulden't really want to try for 1 again.
I'll tank push my way into her heart. ☮♥&$!
Asta
Profile Joined October 2002
Germany3491 Posts
August 13 2005 06:41 GMT
#39
that reminds me of something, i got an EPS hat!
am i cool now?
even have a picture
[image loading]

praise me

you get those and also t-shirts ^^y at the friday night games. these are showmatches played all around germany on fridays (no shit) with lots of coverage and promotion stuff going on around there.
RandomCat
Profile Joined August 2005
United States62 Posts
August 13 2005 06:47 GMT
#40
hes cocky now and thinks he doesnt have to try anymore. Good for him.
XDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD
Maenander
Profile Joined November 2002
Germany4926 Posts
Last Edited: 2005-08-13 07:05:45
August 13 2005 06:57 GMT
#41
Well we have 8 tournies, he has to be top 2 in one of them.
Now there are still 2 of them left.
I don´t see a problem here ^^

edit: ok only one of them left, Methos, Infinity and Fisheye still not qualified ^^ ;
Fisheye didn´t even attend :o
ManaBlue
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
Canada10458 Posts
August 13 2005 09:47 GMT
#42
On August 13 2005 15:57 Maenander wrote:
Well we have 8 tournies, he has to be top 2 in one of them.
Now there are still 2 of them left.
I don´t see a problem here ^^

edit: ok only one of them left, Methos, Infinity and Fisheye still not qualified ^^ ;
Fisheye didn´t even attend :o


Will be interesting to see how long this sponsorship holds up if he keeps missing like this. 8 chances seems like a lot for a top German to not qualify, so we'll see what happens. Maybe the pressure is getting to him.
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Guybrush
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
Spain4744 Posts
August 13 2005 10:37 GMT
#43
On August 13 2005 15:57 Maenander wrote:
Well we have 8 tournies, he has to be top 2 in one of them.
Now there are still 2 of them left.
I don´t see a problem here ^^

edit: ok only one of them left, Methos, Infinity and Fisheye still not qualified ^^ ;
Fisheye didn´t even attend :o


Dashwriter, Hexer, Psier, DoLife as well Sure going to be exiting.
Live2Win is awesome. Happy new year scarabi!
Maenander
Profile Joined November 2002
Germany4926 Posts
August 13 2005 16:31 GMT
#44
Dashwriter is qualified now, Hexer seems to be inactive.
NeoIllusions
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States37500 Posts
August 13 2005 16:37 GMT
#45
Can someone list all the people who's qualified so far? Or link me please? ty
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game.no
Profile Joined July 2005
Norway445 Posts
Last Edited: 2005-08-13 16:38:42
August 13 2005 16:38 GMT
#46
quote unquote hell no this clown aint gettin shit done?

wheres the option for just "no he hasn't performed well enough for a raise"?

seriously, its either make the guy feel like shit or agree that he should get a raise..
FriEndLy86
Profile Joined February 2004
Poland104 Posts
August 13 2005 17:07 GMT
#47
Can someone list all the people who's qualified so far? Or link me please? ty


IntoTheAir
CopeTheUnknown
Socke
ash.Swift
Gentleman
iv.StOrMy
iv.GoOdy
eSa.Fenris
Rob[pG]
eSa.ScHnibL0r
Mondragon[pG]
eSa.BrEaKdOwN
Dashwriter
iLLe[shield]



Maenander
Profile Joined November 2002
Germany4926 Posts
Last Edited: 2005-08-13 17:09:56
August 13 2005 17:08 GMT
#48
Day 1: Mondragon + Breakdown
Day 2 : Rob + Schnibl0r
Day 3: Fenris + Goody
Day 4: Gentleman + StOrMy
Day 5: Socke + Swift
Day 6: Air + Cope
Day 7: Dashwriter + Sorang

edit: too slow
NeoIllusions
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States37500 Posts
August 13 2005 17:35 GMT
#49
Heh, thank you both. One for speed and the other for clarity.
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MaGnIfIcA
Profile Joined October 2002
Norway2312 Posts
August 13 2005 19:01 GMT
#50
Hmmm, i would normally have put Fisheye over alot of those guys, so kinda dissapointing
Wannabe sMB member yo, so spankable-.-v;;
baelrog
Profile Joined July 2004
Austria705 Posts
August 13 2005 19:19 GMT
#51
On August 13 2005 19:37 Guybrush wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 13 2005 15:57 Maenander wrote:
Well we have 8 tournies, he has to be top 2 in one of them.
Now there are still 2 of them left.
I don´t see a problem here ^^

edit: ok only one of them left, Methos, Infinity and Fisheye still not qualified ^^ ;
Fisheye didn´t even attend :o


Dashwriter, Hexer, Psier, DoLife as well Sure going to be exiting.


dolife didnt attend a single tourney cause he was on holiday now for one week
i love u
Liquid`Jinro
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
Sweden33719 Posts
August 13 2005 20:04 GMT
#52
On August 13 2005 11:22 Physician wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 12 2005 17:00 ManaBlue wrote:
I might be reading into this too much but I sense a very subtle and small amount of resentment in ret right now...


Oh no, it is not resentment, it is jelousy.

It's not even ret ;p
Moderatortell the guy that interplanatar interaction is pivotal to terrans variety of optionitudals in the pre-midgame preperatories as well as the protosstinal deterriggation of elite zergling strikes - Stimey n | Formerly FrozenArbiter
AlexBongZ
Profile Joined August 2005
Canada14 Posts
August 13 2005 20:16 GMT
#53
he should be preforming as best as he can since he has a great opportunity to have a sponser and is still be thought of as a great player. Hopefully he can get his act together and not risk everything he has gained thus far !!
BulletProof!
[pG]FiSheYe
Profile Joined November 2004
Germany45 Posts
August 13 2005 22:27 GMT
#54
Wow, you guys aren't serious or ?
I haven't played seriously in any of those EPS qualifiers. I have a lot of RL travelling since I finished school and taking my year off until University. I also play a lot of poker these days...
Don't worry 2much about stuff, I am doing fine =)

Just became a little too old to have as much motivation in Starcraft as I used to have.

If I might fail today, then it might give me enough motivation to practise for wcg. Gonna play pure Protoss this qualifier and try to play serious. The only real problem is that I am not playing from home, cuz I am in a friends house 500km away. The mice and keyboard isn't my own, so that is not the best setting up. Plus a hang over from yesterdays partying with pokerfriends at our officially meeting.

Keep cool

Aight
Veg
Profile Joined October 2002
Canada2945 Posts
August 13 2005 23:05 GMT
#55
and you're getting payed for this?

id love to know your salary 200euro/month?
asdasdas
Jathin
Profile Blog Joined February 2005
United States3505 Posts
Last Edited: 2005-08-13 23:43:51
August 13 2005 23:10 GMT
#56
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NonYold
Profile Joined April 2004
United States2814 Posts
August 13 2005 23:21 GMT
#57
hmm yeah i was under the impression that SSV was a more serious sponsor. but if their leader can give the excuses of "im visiting a friend, playing poker, and having hang overs" to say he's playing bad- that's not serious at all. oh well ;o
[pG]FiSheYe
Profile Joined November 2004
Germany45 Posts
Last Edited: 2005-08-13 23:40:22
August 13 2005 23:39 GMT
#58
Come on, everyone should know me better. It's probably not the best for the sponsor but I cannot force myself to play 10h/day anymore, I am not that much interested in bw anymore towards playing much. What I can do is play some games before WCG to archive top lvl again and if I do qualify take 1week to get on my old shape again. But I am definately not as rusty as you might think. Just played very badly the few important games I had recently (vs Goody in Gigaliga and vs Legionnaire/PJ in GGL) everything else is fine. I am never hacking nor acting bad manner. Just the lack of motivation atm is a problem. Stop flaming before EPS qualifier is over.

Especially a inactive dutch guy shouldn't questioning my skill in Starcraft while he is Killing sorceress and monsters on weird fantasy grounds.

I fucked up Gigaliga, I fucked up GGL, but do not whine about leagues like EPS qualifier, where I play random and fun builds. If I fuck this one up today, taking it serious, then you can restart bitching.

So please shut up for approximately 6 hours until it's done =]

Jathin
Profile Blog Joined February 2005
United States3505 Posts
August 13 2005 23:49 GMT
#59
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Guybrush
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
Spain4744 Posts
August 14 2005 00:03 GMT
#60
On August 14 2005 08:39 [pG]FiSheYe wrote:

Especially a inactive dutch guy shouldn't questioning my skill in Starcraft while he is Killing sorceress and monsters on weird fantasy grounds.



Haha =)
Live2Win is awesome. Happy new year scarabi!
[pG]FiSheYe
Profile Joined November 2004
Germany45 Posts
August 14 2005 00:04 GMT
#61
IT does make a huge difference. The more good players qualified, the less good players left. I started playing Qualicup 1# but saw that eSa.Breakdown was in the same bracket, so I wasn't playing the cup cuz we would have knocked out each other for one qualifier seat. fucked up the other qualifiers playing random and weird p builds. Had no time to play yesterday... Try to do it today. So the competition is sure weaker in this one, but I think I am still in shape to qualify even in a strong competition.
denyo77
Profile Joined August 2005
Barbados220 Posts
August 14 2005 00:07 GMT
#62
FiSheYe ur such a jerk
Asta
Profile Joined October 2002
Germany3491 Posts
Last Edited: 2005-08-14 00:22:56
August 14 2005 00:19 GMT
#63
Is Lehnitz concentrating so much on WCG or what did that comment about motivation for WCG mean? And people don't bitch because you lost but because you didn't take it serious. That sounds arrogant as hell. I mean in the end you're the one getting sponsored the most and you don't even work for it? You sure know that it's not good to put all your eggs in one basket at the EPS qualifier because everybody can lose a bo1. So if it was important for you, you wouldn't have thrown away all the other chances for fun or because you were drinking with your poker friends.


edit: This is what I'm talking about:
On August 14 2005 08:39 [pG]FiSheYe wrote:
I am never hacking nor acting bad manner. Just the lack of motivation atm is a problem.
[...]
I fucked up Gigaliga, I fucked up GGL, but do not whine about leagues like EPS qualifier, where I play random and fun builds.
Liquid`Ret
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
Netherlands4511 Posts
August 14 2005 00:23 GMT
#64
Oh snap
Team Liquid
[pG]FiSheYe
Profile Joined November 2004
Germany45 Posts
Last Edited: 2005-08-14 00:38:08
August 14 2005 00:23 GMT
#65
Could you describe what made you think so? I am not a friend of useless insults neither do I think it is acceptable to write such a shit. I was writing that the competition is weaker today, making myself looking worse if I win, so stop acting so weird.

*denyo77 guy


Ya I am sorry if you're pissed if I play arrogant funshits, but I lack motivation atm. I am barely more than 20days a month at home using my freshly gained freedom to travel around. And when I am home gf and friends eat the rest of my spare time. Anyway, try to do good today.
Raidern
Profile Joined February 2005
Brazil3811 Posts
August 14 2005 00:34 GMT
#66
hm
*mental note: remember to look for the results 5hours from now on*
gl fisheye, i'd like to see your perform well
For the Swarm!
BrutalMenace
Profile Blog Joined July 2005
United States1237 Posts
August 14 2005 00:42 GMT
#67
haha thanx fisheye for answering us. And gj ret for making this thread.
[pG]FiSheYe
Profile Joined November 2004
Germany45 Posts
August 14 2005 00:45 GMT
#68
I guess it's a "close"
everything is answered.
Samejima
Profile Joined June 2004
Canada534 Posts
August 14 2005 01:19 GMT
#69
On August 14 2005 09:34 Raidern wrote:
hm
*mental note: remember to look for the results 5hours from now on*
gl fisheye, i'd like to see your perform well

Yeah me too, since you're my favorite player I wanna see you dominate wcg again. GL
What we call chaos is just patterns we haven't recognized yet.
HaiVan
Profile Joined April 2005
Bulgaria1698 Posts
August 14 2005 01:47 GMT
#70
On August 14 2005 09:45 [pG]FiSheYe wrote:
I guess it's a "close"
everything is answered.

No way this is a close im waiting for all teh funny posts if u fail to qualify !
Listen to The Special One
ManaBlue
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
Canada10458 Posts
August 14 2005 02:16 GMT
#71
On August 14 2005 10:47 HaiVan wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 14 2005 09:45 [pG]FiSheYe wrote:
I guess it's a "close"
everything is answered.

No way this is a close im waiting for all teh funny posts if u fail to qualify !


Haha, or the funny posts if he does. It's win win here.
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1tym
Profile Joined April 2005
Korea (South)2425 Posts
Last Edited: 2005-08-14 02:53:10
August 14 2005 02:44 GMT
#72
Who gave these random Starcraft newbies the authority to flame Fisheye? Asta you seem pissed off as if you're sponsoring Fishyeye. The truth is, it won't affect your monthly budget ok?
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Chereoke
Profile Joined August 2005
Zimbabwe201 Posts
August 14 2005 02:51 GMT
#73
Especially a inactive dutch guy shouldn't questioning my skill in Starcraft while he is Killing sorceress and monsters on weird fantasy grounds

whats wrong with being dutch
1tym
Profile Joined April 2005
Korea (South)2425 Posts
Last Edited: 2005-08-14 03:02:06
August 14 2005 02:57 GMT
#74
He wasn't saying that to make slight of Dutch. He was only saying that to indirectly refer to someone. Like if I said 'Especially an inactive Jeep guy shouldn't be questioning my skill in Starcraft while he is Killing sorceress and monsters on weird fantasy grounds'
I am not saying Jeep to ridicule Jeep itself but I'm just saying that to refer to Chereoke.
1tym is one time for your mind
Asta
Profile Joined October 2002
Germany3491 Posts
August 14 2005 03:00 GMT
#75
On August 14 2005 11:44 1tym wrote:
Who gave these random Starcraft newbies the authority to flame Fisheye? Asta you seem pissed off as if you're sponsoring Fishyeye. The truth is, it won't affect your monthly budget ok?



I'm not really pissed off myself but I still think it was arrogant.
Liquid`Jinro
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
Sweden33719 Posts
Last Edited: 2005-08-14 03:06:36
August 14 2005 03:05 GMT
#76
On August 14 2005 12:00 Asta wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 14 2005 11:44 1tym wrote:
Who gave these random Starcraft newbies the authority to flame Fisheye? Asta you seem pissed off as if you're sponsoring Fishyeye. The truth is, it won't affect your monthly budget ok?



I'm not really pissed off myself but I still think it was arrogant.

=_=

Actually, when you are one of the few non-koreans with a sponsorship you have some sort of responsibility -_-

So hopefully he'll win!
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Sfydjklm
Profile Blog Joined April 2005
United States9218 Posts
Last Edited: 2005-08-14 03:10:50
August 14 2005 03:06 GMT
#77
On August 14 2005 11:44 1tym wrote:
Who gave these random Starcraft newbies the authority to flame Fisheye? Asta you seem pissed off as if you're sponsoring Fishyeye. The truth is, it won't affect your monthly budget ok?

you do realise that every fuck up every sponsored player makes is jeprodizing the future of foreign progaming?
And its not like eGe fuck up vs uT which just tells sponsors they need better managers, although its bad too. Its one of the most famous players in BW universe being a slacker. He gives us all a bad name.
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Chereoke
Profile Joined August 2005
Zimbabwe201 Posts
August 14 2005 03:20 GMT
#78
On August 14 2005 11:57 1tym wrote:
He wasn't saying that to make slight of Dutch. He was only saying that to indirectly refer to someone. Like if I said 'Especially an inactive Jeep guy shouldn't be questioning my skill in Starcraft while he is Killing sorceress and monsters on weird fantasy grounds'
I am not saying Jeep to ridicule Jeep itself but I'm just saying that to refer to Chereoke.


oooOOOOOOOOH THANKS FOR THE BRIGHTNING UP
1tym
Profile Joined April 2005
Korea (South)2425 Posts
Last Edited: 2005-08-14 03:21:31
August 14 2005 03:20 GMT
#79
He's giving YOUUUUUUUU a bad name because he hasn't qualified in one particular tournament yet after what he's achieved in the past? what a joke..
1tym is one time for your mind
1tym
Profile Joined April 2005
Korea (South)2425 Posts
August 14 2005 03:24 GMT
#80
Yes Chereoke you should be, because I spent my precious 18 seconds of time writing it.
1tym is one time for your mind
Chereoke
Profile Joined August 2005
Zimbabwe201 Posts
August 14 2005 03:31 GMT
#81
On August 14 2005 12:24 1tym wrote:
Yes Chereoke you should be, because I spent my precious 18 seconds of time writing it.


i know , what u thought i was being sarcastic??
sundance
Profile Blog Joined May 2004
Slovakia3201 Posts
August 14 2005 03:42 GMT
#82
On August 14 2005 11:57 1tym wrote:
He wasn't saying that to make slight of Dutch. He was only saying that to indirectly refer to someone. Like if I said 'Especially an inactive Jeep guy shouldn't be questioning my skill in Starcraft while he is Killing sorceress and monsters on weird fantasy grounds'
I am not saying Jeep to ridicule Jeep itself but I'm just saying that to refer to Chereoke.

Thx mr obvious.
Nick Cave & the Bad Seeds
1tym
Profile Joined April 2005
Korea (South)2425 Posts
Last Edited: 2005-08-14 04:00:22
August 14 2005 03:55 GMT
#83
On August 14 2005 12:31 Chereoke wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 14 2005 12:24 1tym wrote:
Yes Chereoke you should be, because I spent my precious 18 seconds of time writing it.


i know , what u thought i was being sarcastic??


No If I thought you were, I would have disregarded your thanks comment in the first place and not bother to respond to you further since I hate someone who returns kindness with sarcasm
1tym is one time for your mind
1tym
Profile Joined April 2005
Korea (South)2425 Posts
August 14 2005 03:57 GMT
#84
On August 14 2005 12:42 SuNDAnce wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 14 2005 11:57 1tym wrote:
He wasn't saying that to make slight of Dutch. He was only saying that to indirectly refer to someone. Like if I said 'Especially an inactive Jeep guy shouldn't be questioning my skill in Starcraft while he is Killing sorceress and monsters on weird fantasy grounds'
I am not saying Jeep to ridicule Jeep itself but I'm just saying that to refer to Chereoke.

Thx mr obvious.


I am glad you find it thankful since I was being super kind just in case he misunderstood.
1tym is one time for your mind
1tym
Profile Joined April 2005
Korea (South)2425 Posts
Last Edited: 2005-08-14 04:16:32
August 14 2005 04:05 GMT
#85
On August 14 2005 12:06 Sfydjklm wrote:
you do realise that every fuck up every sponsored player makes is jeprodizing the future of foreign progaming?
And its not like eGe fuck up vs uT which just tells sponsors they need better managers, although its bad too. Its one of the most famous players in BW universe being a slacker. He gives us all a bad name.


'Non-Korea' aka 'foreign' consists of about 236 different nations (map based) so let's stop talking as if Fisheye holds responsibility for every other foreign countrymen. If you're a broodwar player yourself, then you are responsible for your country's gaming scene ok? I mean it's not as if Korea will start a big league of American football because this American guy Mark performs exceptionally well and qualifies to semi final in the league held in America.
1tym is one time for your mind
Twisted
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
Netherlands13554 Posts
August 14 2005 04:07 GMT
#86
stfu all of you whining fuckheads

back on topic please.
Moderator
Asta
Profile Joined October 2002
Germany3491 Posts
Last Edited: 2005-08-14 05:22:12
August 14 2005 04:23 GMT
#87
he reached semifinals and will play vs infinity or rts. rts is leading 1:0 right now but i think infinity leads in game two. other semifinal is dolife vs archi or artofhems (don't ask me).


it's archi vs dolife and fisheye vs rts, if you're interested. fisheye plays t again T_T but maybe it's the map. don't know which one it is. guess fisheye and dolife will make it, imo the best players which were left.
ManaBlue
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
Canada10458 Posts
August 14 2005 05:38 GMT
#88
On August 14 2005 13:23 Asta wrote:
he reached semifinals and will play vs infinity or rts. rts is leading 1:0 right now but i think infinity leads in game two. other semifinal is dolife vs archi or artofhems (don't ask me).


it's archi vs dolife and fisheye vs rts, if you're interested. fisheye plays t again T_T but maybe it's the map. don't know which one it is. guess fisheye and dolife will make it, imo the best players which were left.


So did FisheYe qualify or not?
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Asta
Profile Joined October 2002
Germany3491 Posts
Last Edited: 2005-08-14 05:54:55
August 14 2005 05:47 GMT
#89
not yet
archi beat dolife 2:0 and qualified. fisheye vs rts is 1:1, winner has the spot. last match was really really close and exciting. ^^

he fast expanded and lost his expo pvz, he won't make it.
ManaBlue
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
Canada10458 Posts
August 14 2005 05:54 GMT
#90
On August 14 2005 14:47 Asta wrote:
not yet
archi beat dolife 2:0 and qualified. fisheye vs rts is 1:1, winner has the spot. last match was really really close and exciting. ^^


Haha, down to the wire. Keep us updated.
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OMGOMG
Profile Joined August 2005
21 Posts
August 14 2005 05:57 GMT
#91
FISHEYE LOST! START FLAMING!
Asta
Profile Joined October 2002
Germany3491 Posts
August 14 2005 06:04 GMT
#92
so, fisheye, neither giga nor eps. good luck at the wcg. ^^;; nono, i won't go into details. you wouldn't mind anyway. =)
[pG]FiSheYe
Profile Joined November 2004
Germany45 Posts
August 14 2005 06:07 GMT
#93
I lost, you can restart bitching around

-Lost random t vs random z raid aussault (was talking with ref. and forgot to choose and then I was too lazy to regame)

-Won p v z on lt but it was close cuz i couldn't micro anything with the mice =)

-Lost p v z on rush hour, did Reach built but missed to scout for lings and wasn't able to micro well against the hord of the swarm ^^

so unless Air got banned from EPS for beeing caught hacking 2000-2003 and playing with wrong identification and smurf. I won't appear in this season.

Anyways good luck for those who qualified and I might strike back in wcg^^
M@gnum.
Profile Joined September 2003
Germany105 Posts
August 14 2005 06:16 GMT
#94
lol^^ air will of course get banned~ but i dont see any reason why you should get his spot.... there were many more people who were in semifinals in EIGHT tourneys, so why should teh frederik get this spot t.t~ BTW grats to RTS, soo underrated and soo gosu =o
SwedishHero
Profile Joined April 2005
Sweden869 Posts
August 14 2005 06:19 GMT
#95
On August 14 2005 15:16 M@gnum. wrote:
lol^^ air will of course get banned~ but i dont see any reason why you should get his spot.... there were many more people who were in semifinals in EIGHT tourneys, so why should teh frederik get this spot t.t~ BTW grats to RTS, soo underrated and soo gosu =o


maybe he means he will win the extra tour instated =)
Italiano??...no...no italiano?
[pG]FiSheYe
Profile Joined November 2004
Germany45 Posts
August 14 2005 06:40 GMT
#96
I have no chance to qualify right now. IF Air gets banned THEN I might qualify. It wasn't my intention to say I'm gonna win no matter what. But it is the ONLY way. Lets see what the future brings
Chereoke
Profile Joined August 2005
Zimbabwe201 Posts
August 14 2005 06:41 GMT
#97
who's rts?
[pG]FiSheYe
Profile Joined November 2004
Germany45 Posts
August 14 2005 06:49 GMT
#98
RandomTheSame aka Razz.Rts aka MarineTheSame a "newcomer" I think he played good in the 1st game, the others were lost by the lack of micro due to mice. Anyway I think he deserves a spot in the top16 Ger right now, so it's fine with me
ScHnibL0r
Profile Joined August 2004
Germany45 Posts
August 14 2005 07:00 GMT
#99
Marinthesame is just gosu he is doing well atm !! win vs methos in gigaliga , win vs infy , fish and many others in eps. and i think in some weeks we can watch pr0games of him!! GJ razz.rts i wish u gl and sad that fisheye didnt make it:/ well methos[pg] infinity[pg] didnt qualify as well so probably in germany there are some new gosus ^^
Carnac
Profile Blog Joined December 2003
Germany / USA16648 Posts
August 14 2005 07:30 GMT
#100
as much as i'd like to see fisheye in the eps, if i was the organizer i'd just give the spot to whoever lost against air in the semis air qualified from
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ManaBlue
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
Canada10458 Posts
August 14 2005 07:30 GMT
#101
Interesting. Let's see if any of these German "newcomers" can make a splash in larger foreign tourneys not restricted to one country.
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[pG]FiSheYe
Profile Joined November 2004
Germany45 Posts
August 14 2005 07:35 GMT
#102
hmm ya give the spot to the guy who lost or host a 1seat 64ppl tournament
Carnac
Profile Blog Joined December 2003
Germany / USA16648 Posts
August 14 2005 07:45 GMT
#103
also, freddie, i'm curious
air was in pg, while being a known hacker, how come? didn't you have any influence on the recruiting policy back then? i mean i know you didn't have as much to say as you now have in lehnitz, but still...
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Luhh
Profile Joined October 2003
Sweden2974 Posts
Last Edited: 2005-08-14 08:01:19
August 14 2005 08:00 GMT
#104
Uhm, I completely agree with fisheye about the Reach PIX games. He completely blew luna where he played retarded after being way ahead. Then he got desperate or whatever... I just don't get it.

It's the same with a player as skilled as nada, they seem to choose their opening build at random, rather than playing with what works.
I wouldn´t call him stupid, but let´s just say he´s unlucky when thinking...
EvilTeletubby
Profile Blog Joined January 2004
Baltimore, USA22254 Posts
August 14 2005 08:10 GMT
#105
On August 14 2005 17:00 Luhh wrote:
It's the same with a player as skilled as nada, they seem to choose their opening build at random, rather than playing with what works.


That should be pretty obvious.... once you're at their level of play, predictability = death. If they do the same exact build every game, how long do you think they'd last?
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ManaBlue
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
Canada10458 Posts
August 14 2005 09:11 GMT
#106
Nada does the same build every game and does fine, so I don't know what you guys are talking about.
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Ilvy
Profile Joined September 2002
Germany2445 Posts
August 14 2005 09:13 GMT
#107
On August 14 2005 16:45 Carnac wrote:
also, freddie, i'm curious
air was in pg, while being a known hacker, how come? didn't you have any influence on the recruiting policy back then? i mean i know you didn't have as much to say as you now have in lehnitz, but still...


Well some ppl still think that ppl could change and not that "one time hacker, always hacker".
For invites there was allways voting, so it was everyones right to say no. But is it so wrong to give someone a chance? That he did cheat and hack after again, well bad luck, other ppl didn´t break that trust. Anyway don´t see a reason why he should be the reason of Freddy not beeing in EPS what actully was the start of the thread right?

BTW hitting on ppl after a loss isn´t that sexy either
Xblood
Profile Joined March 2003
22 Posts
August 14 2005 10:41 GMT
#108
But fisheye is sexy for sure ^^.






STD
Profile Joined October 2003
Sweden350 Posts
August 14 2005 11:55 GMT
#109
you gotta hit someone when they're down to keep them down, dont you know that =/?
Maenander
Profile Joined November 2002
Germany4926 Posts
August 14 2005 14:30 GMT
#110
Hooray for marinethesame !
Guybrush
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
Spain4744 Posts
August 14 2005 14:45 GMT
#111
Wow impressed by Archi Always thought he was more the "manager" type and not a player. 2-0ing DoLife is damn nice.
Live2Win is awesome. Happy new year scarabi!
REAl4eVeR
Profile Joined March 2004
Germany187 Posts
August 14 2005 17:48 GMT
#112
Grats to Archi&RTS

Poor FiSheYe! Now people smash you to smithereens only cause your well known and didn't make it...Go and show them at WCG why you are a bw powerhorse!
Today is a good day to die......
OMGOMG
Profile Joined August 2005
21 Posts
August 14 2005 18:43 GMT
#113
give Sockes spot to fisheye. Socke played no ESL game before ... fisheye helped 5-6 weeks long that bw qualifies for eps, he earned that spot^^

sry 4 bad english im a dumbass :D
iNsaNe-
Profile Joined January 2005
Finland5201 Posts
August 14 2005 19:28 GMT
#114
What was Airs ID?
It takes a fool to remain sane.
OMGOMG
Profile Joined August 2005
21 Posts
August 14 2005 19:31 GMT
#115
Air[pG] and in the tourney he played with the id "AckeBonnie"
iNsaNe-
Profile Joined January 2005
Finland5201 Posts
August 14 2005 19:36 GMT
#116
On August 15 2005 04:31 OMGOMG wrote:
in the tourney he played with the id "AckeBonnie"


Yeah that's what I meant.

On August 14 2005 09:07 denyo77 wrote:
FiSheYe ur such a jerk


You made a new account just to say that?
It takes a fool to remain sane.
ArtOfGlory2
Profile Joined March 2004
United States256 Posts
August 15 2005 01:38 GMT
#117
I highly doubt he's getting payed enough to cover even my daily air conditioning bill, so who the hell gives a sh1t?
Jathin
Profile Blog Joined February 2005
United States3505 Posts
August 15 2005 02:20 GMT
#118
--- Nuked ---
denyo77
Profile Joined August 2005
Barbados220 Posts
August 15 2005 02:49 GMT
#119
sup fatti?
OMGOMG
Profile Joined August 2005
21 Posts
August 15 2005 02:55 GMT
#120
On August 15 2005 11:20 Jathin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 15 2005 03:43 OMGOMG wrote:
give Sockes spot to fisheye. Socke played no ESL game before ... fisheye helped 5-6 weeks long that bw qualifies for eps, he earned that spot^^


Uh, no. They can't go doing shit like that when they've already developed the tourney method..

Show nested quote +
On August 15 2005 03:43 OMGOMG wrote:
im a dumbass :D

dont take everything to serious

btw you are an american, dont you have something more important to do...maybe bombing other countries?
ManaBlue
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
Canada10458 Posts
August 15 2005 03:15 GMT
#121
On August 15 2005 11:55 OMGOMG wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 15 2005 11:20 Jathin wrote:
On August 15 2005 03:43 OMGOMG wrote:
give Sockes spot to fisheye. Socke played no ESL game before ... fisheye helped 5-6 weeks long that bw qualifies for eps, he earned that spot^^


Uh, no. They can't go doing shit like that when they've already developed the tourney method..

On August 15 2005 03:43 OMGOMG wrote:
im a dumbass :D

dont take everything to serious

btw you are an american, dont you have something more important to do...maybe bombing other countries?


Oh please get off of that. I don't feel like bracing myself for 5 pages of propaganda.
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distant_voice
Profile Blog Joined November 2002
Germany2521 Posts
August 15 2005 03:17 GMT
#122
it's that time of the thread again...
This is my truth, tell me yours!
ubergamer15
Profile Joined January 2005
United States645 Posts
August 15 2005 03:26 GMT
#123
On August 15 2005 12:17 distant_voice wrote:
it's that time of the thread again...


Well said!
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Mandalor
Profile Blog Joined February 2003
Germany2362 Posts
August 15 2005 03:40 GMT
#124
On August 15 2005 11:55 OMGOMG wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 15 2005 11:20 Jathin wrote:
On August 15 2005 03:43 OMGOMG wrote:
give Sockes spot to fisheye. Socke played no ESL game before ... fisheye helped 5-6 weeks long that bw qualifies for eps, he earned that spot^^


Uh, no. They can't go doing shit like that when they've already developed the tourney method..

On August 15 2005 03:43 OMGOMG wrote:
im a dumbass :D

dont take everything to serious

btw you are an american, dont you have something more important to do...maybe bombing other countries?


don't you have something more important to do...maybe get banned from this site?
OMGOMG
Profile Joined August 2005
21 Posts
August 15 2005 04:17 GMT
#125
arschkriecher mandalor
Tossim1
Profile Joined June 2004
714 Posts
August 15 2005 13:18 GMT
#126
On August 15 2005 11:55 OMGOMG wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 15 2005 11:20 Jathin wrote:
On August 15 2005 03:43 OMGOMG wrote:
give Sockes spot to fisheye. Socke played no ESL game before ... fisheye helped 5-6 weeks long that bw qualifies for eps, he earned that spot^^


Uh, no. They can't go doing shit like that when they've already developed the tourney method..

On August 15 2005 03:43 OMGOMG wrote:
im a dumbass :D

dont take everything to serious

btw you are an american, dont you have something more important to do...maybe bombing other countries?


nice one, fag
Asta
Profile Joined October 2002
Germany3491 Posts
August 15 2005 23:18 GMT
#127
made me smile


OMGOMG a.k.a. ....?
Jathin
Profile Blog Joined February 2005
United States3505 Posts
August 15 2005 23:28 GMT
#128
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ToT)BrAiN(
Profile Joined March 2003
Austria899 Posts
August 16 2005 00:55 GMT
#129
On August 15 2005 13:17 OMGOMG wrote:
arschkriecher mandalor


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