So, it seems that, in response to the popularity of the Huk vs Boxer casts, HDStarcraft is beginning to cast more BW.
Regardless of what you think of HDStarcraft as a caster, he has a fairly large audience of SC2 fans, many of whom have at least some interest in the BW scene. Him doing this is a great advertisement of BW to an audience more likely to be receptive of it, so we should all go show our support for him so that he keeps doing this and keeps helping BW grow.
Bisu vs Stork on Tau Cross from "a few months ago" is his first game. Apparently a Flash/Jaedong game is coming up, and a third one, and then he'll go back to being an SC2 caster with some BW for variety. The more we support the BW though, the more BW I think we'll see.
I'm a little miffed at him consistently referring to BW as "the old days", though
Edit: Game 2. Flash vs Jaedong, also on Tau Cross
Edit Edit: Game 3, also Flash vs Jaedong, on Match Point (Day[9] did a daily analyzing the SC2 port of this map, if you're interested)
Edit 3:
Some more BW from HD:
Amateur Replay - Foekins vs MVP (not the SC2 player MVP, just some guy)
I actually only knew about HD from his BW casts. He was far better and more enthusiastic at his BW casting in my opinion, with his funny side-noted commentary. I really look forward to this.
plz no more "old days" thing, it just feels wrong, but besides that, i guess its good that someone with that amount of followers do bw cast again, from now on ill watch every bw-related cast of him (:
Yeah, he wasn't a bad BW caster to be honest. Although the old days thing isn't the best, it at least introduces BW to am much larger audience than even diggity/klazart/cholera/moletrap had/have.
I appreciate it. Although i wonder from what sources he's going to cast, because he won't find to many replays, and especially how he knows which one are worthwhile? Is he just going to pick the most known players?
Still, gonna pay a visit from time to time to see if something new is up.
"I do apologize spending time with my friends and family" - HD ...lol
Despite his limited knowledge on the game, and refering to "old times" (which is quite ignorant considering it's still going strong), I think it's really cool to have him casting some bw. Surely some of his followers are gonna jump the bw wagon of awesome. (You're all very welcome here! - I asure you, you're not gonna regret it ^^)
Referring to bw as the good old days when bw is bigger in korea than sc2 ... I dont think he knows much about bw and he's just doing it to entertain his audience for few minutes. Nothing personnal against him of course, this guy is doing nice things for sc2, but the way he talks about bw does not hold my interest. And i dont care about "showing sc2 players how cool bw is", i'm tied to see bw fans on their knees begging to have some attention from the sc2 community.
I don't hate HD but I honestly do not like some of his habits. It's one of the reason why I stopped watching his videos because he always refers to something, or makes a point with a verse that makes no sense. He has quite a lot of annoying habits when casting and I have trouble getting around it since I'm an English/History student. I nitpick a lot.
I mean though, all that aside I'm very glad HD is doing this actually. so
How is referring to Brood War as "good old days" ignorant? He is talking about himself with Brood War, it's not like he is calling Brood War a shitty game or something.
On January 03 2012 10:10 RezChi wrote: Stork and Bisu are both dragons and considered #1 Protoss
How can there be both number 1? lol
Half considers Stork and #1 other half consider Bisu as #1 xD
I'd say about half more than half thinks that Bisu is #1 and most of the remaining fans think that Stork is #1 instead of Bisu and the other what's left of it thinks that "Fuck you, Jangbi won the recent OSL". :p
Or about half more than half thinks that Bisu is #1 and the remainder of the fans think that "Fuck you, Jangbi won the recent OSL" )
He might not be the most knowledgeable of all casters but I'm thankful for him doing this. I'm taking all the BW content I can get. Plus, BW needs all the exposure it can get right now - may this create some new fans!
I agree with HD. Brood Wars brings back a lot of memories, especially with HD casting; he hasn't done that for 2 years at least. The nostalgia is definitely with that video. Ah! The good ol' days!
On January 03 2012 09:21 Ribbon wrote: I'm a little miffed at him consistently referring to BW as "the old days", though
He keeps referring to goons as stalkers.
It's hard switching back and forth. I usually forget and call spine crawlers sunken colonies. I seem to recall Day9 and Tasteless making similar BW errors when referring to SC2 units and then making SC2 errors when going back to BW. I've never really followed HD, but I think it's pretty that he's doing more BW.
On January 03 2012 09:21 Ribbon wrote: I'm a little miffed at him consistently referring to BW as "the old days", though
He keeps referring to goons as stalkers.
It's hard switching back and forth. I usually forget and call spine crawlers sunken colonies. I seem to recall Day9 and Tasteless making similar BW errors when referring to SC2 units and then making SC2 bw errors when going back to BW> I've never really followed HD, but I think it's pretty that he's doing more BW.
Haha, I remember Day[9] going full BW a few MLGs ago during a PvP involving Huk. Basically, he ended up calling the Robo Facility an "Observatory" during a base race involving DTs. I distinctly remember him going full Brood War by shouting "HE NEEDS TO SAVE THE OBSERVATORY! HUK NEEDS TO PROTECT HIS OBSERVATORY!" or something like that. Quite amusing.
Nice to see HD trying out some BW stuff. It would be cool to see other casters do similar things, as it wouldn't do any harm if they did.
Whats wrong with him saying "back in the old days". He is obviously refering to his time with broodwar, and how it brings back memories for him. Stop being soo quick to turn this into a hate thread over a simple misconception.
Cool to see HD casing some BW games. I remember before SC2 beta started, he casted some BW games to prepare for it. He was pretty active too and he often tried to give away some beta keys as much as possible in some of his BW videos. It sucks that he gets a lot of crap when he is commentating in SC2. He may not be as knowledgeable like day9, but I think he is a good person to have in the community nonetheless.
On January 03 2012 09:21 Ribbon wrote: I'm a little miffed at him consistently referring to BW as "the old days", though
He keeps referring to goons as stalkers.
It's hard switching back and forth. I usually forget and call spine crawlers sunken colonies. I seem to recall Day9 and Tasteless making similar BW errors when referring to SC2 units and then making SC2 errors when going back to BW. I've never really followed HD, but I think it's pretty that he's doing more BW.
So many casters call the Unit Tab the "Unit Counting Station" that even people without a BW background are doing it now. Tasteless calls the Twilight Council a Citadel more often then not.
On January 03 2012 12:52 mrafaeldie12 wrote: He will only cast 3 broodwar games,calm down.
He's doing three, then back to SC2 with some BW. The more people ask for BW, the more BW we'll get.
He isn't being ignorant, he is stating the fact that sc2 is here and most of his audience knows that as the present and BW as the past and rather than explain it differently, he just accepts the norm and uses it as nostalgia.
On January 03 2012 09:21 Ribbon wrote: I'm a little miffed at him consistently referring to BW as "the old days", though
He keeps referring to goons as stalkers.
It's hard switching back and forth. I usually forget and call spine crawlers sunken colonies. I seem to recall Day9 and Tasteless making similar BW errors when referring to SC2 units and then making SC2 bw errors when going back to BW> I've never really followed HD, but I think it's pretty that he's doing more BW.
Haha, I remember Day[9] going full BW a few MLGs ago during a PvP involving Huk. Basically, he ended up calling the Robo Facility an "Observatory" during a base race involving DTs. I distinctly remember him going full Brood War by shouting "HE NEEDS TO SAVE THE OBSERVATORY! HUK NEEDS TO PROTECT HIS OBSERVATORY!" or something like that. Quite amusing.
Nice to see HD trying out some BW stuff. It would be cool to see other casters do similar things, as it wouldn't do any harm if they did.
Wasn't that in reference to needing to save his Observer?
On January 03 2012 13:22 docvoc wrote: He isn't being ignorant, he is stating the fact that sc2 is here and most of his audience knows that as the present and BW as the past and rather than explain it differently, he just accepts the norm and uses it as nostalgia.
So full of shit. Korean BW continues to be many times larger and more prestigious than Korean SC2.
On January 03 2012 13:22 docvoc wrote: He isn't being ignorant, he is stating the fact that sc2 is here and most of his audience knows that as the present and BW as the past and rather than explain it differently, he just accepts the norm and uses it as nostalgia.
So full of shit. Korean BW continues to be many times larger and more prestigious than Korean SC2.
Good thing you understood what doc was saying before saying its shit lol
As many others I find it rather disturbing hearing you talk about BW as "the old days" and "back in the days" since we're still here, we play the game every day, we follow both the korean and the foreigner scene, we have casters, videos, articles, the game is alive. But I understand you see it from another view and I wouldn't make a big deal out of it. Thanks for casting and I'm looking forward to more casts!
In old days we use to read books while riding on the commuter but now days we play psp . Quite a change huh ? Old days indeed I can never go anywhere without reading a book .
So many fucking parrots in here. I think we all get the point that the some of the hardcore BW community is offended when HD refers to BW as 'back in the day'. Keep in mind that he needs to relate to his audience, most of whom don't know BW is still played today.
I commend HD for a job well done. His casting may contain slight errors, but it is filled with enthusiasm and excitement and reminds me of Klazart and Cholera. I hope that in the future, HD will cast BW on a more regular basis, perhaps with more recent games. Hopefully, the audience will learn that the BW is active and going strong, and even join our community.
i dont get the logic behind people defending HD in saying he is allowed to say "old days" just because his target audience are a bunch of first time sc players (both games) doesnt mean he has to show ignorance and refer to BW as a dead game. not that hard to explain that BW is still on going and those saying that hes referring to his old experiences to BW when he says "old days", thats a load of shit he specifically refers to builds STILL USED REGULARLY NOW and says "in the old days shuttle reaver was popular" etc etc stop defending him. hes doing a good thing and he probs didnt mean to offend BW players but a mistake is a mistake
I am a mostly SC2 guy, so whenever I don't watch BW for a long time, I forget just how good these guys are. That macro...while fighting in at least 2 location for most of the game...with units that require that much attention? Yeesh! It always makes me wish I was good enough to play Brood War without getting so frustrated, hahaha. I don't know how I used to do it.
On January 03 2012 17:53 Manimal_pro wrote: why are you so butthurt about talking about the old days? He is talking about the old days when he used to cast bw,
back in the old days people actually followed bw, not there are probaly less than 10 K fans worldwide out of which very few play the game regularly.
South korea especially and the world would like to have word with you about that " 10,000 figure ' of fans . China still have their own competitive scene for broodwar and with a population which double's other nation's . You don't want to be pulling out figures out of the thin air , it isn't impressive at all .
On January 03 2012 17:53 Manimal_pro wrote: why are you so butthurt about talking about the old days? He is talking about the old days when he used to cast bw,
back in the old days people actually followed bw, not there are probaly less than 10 K fans worldwide out of which very few play the game regularly.
because its devaluating to bw scene to call it that way, its maybe appealing to sc2 scene to use that term, yes i understand why HD is using this term, and he harbors no malicious intent but still its ignorance or incompetence on his part, and the number of people who follows something doesnt matter, bw is way more popular than sc2 in korea but thats just btw
This is so cool, I never played BW before. SC2 is the first RTS I actually put some time into. It's strange, for some reason, despite of the lower graphics and quite bad unit pathing I find this game more action packed and entertaining to watch than SC2. And it looks like it requires a lot more skill to play at a high level... will keep following it for sure.
On January 03 2012 17:53 Manimal_pro wrote: why are you so butthurt about talking about the old days? He is talking about the old days when he used to cast bw,
back in the old days people actually followed bw, not there are probaly less than 10 K fans worldwide out of which very few play the game regularly.
because its devaluating to bw scene to call it that way, its maybe appealing to sc2 scene to use that term, yes i understand why HD is using this term, and he harbors no malicious intent but still its ignorance or incompetence on his part, and the number of people who follows something doesnt matter, bw is way more popular than sc2 in korea but thats just btw
It isn't ignorance or incompetence on his part. If you think that you don't understand how many SC2 fans don't know anything about BW at all.
On January 03 2012 18:49 Kabras wrote: This is so cool, I never played BW before. SC2 is the first RTS I actually put some time into. It's strange, for some reason, despite of the lower graphics and quite bad unit pathing I find this game more action packed and entertaining to watch than SC2. And it looks like it requires a lot more skill to play at a high level... will keep following it for sure.
@bgx: People like this ^ are what the scene needs to stay alive and what HD attracts by playing to the audience.
On January 03 2012 17:53 Manimal_pro wrote: why are you so butthurt about talking about the old days? He is talking about the old days when he used to cast bw,
back in the old days people actually followed bw, not there are probaly less than 10 K fans worldwide out of which very few play the game regularly.
because its devaluating to bw scene to call it that way, its maybe appealing to sc2 scene to use that term, yes i understand why HD is using this term, and he harbors no malicious intent but still its ignorance or incompetence on his part, and the number of people who follows something doesnt matter, bw is way more popular than sc2 in korea but thats just btw
It isn't ignorance or incompetence on his part. If you think that you don't understand how many SC2 fans don't know anything about BW at all.
On January 03 2012 18:49 Kabras wrote: This is so cool, I never played BW before. SC2 is the first RTS I actually put some time into. It's strange, for some reason, despite of the lower graphics and quite bad unit pathing I find this game more action packed and entertaining to watch than SC2. And it looks like it requires a lot more skill to play at a high level... will keep following it for sure.
@bgx: People like this ^ are what the scene needs to stay alive and what HD attracts by playing to the audience.
Why are you painting me as bad fan or ingreatfull person, i enjoyed these casts very much, and i loved that HD actually got back to cast some games of bw. I replied to someone who didnt understand why people are upset about HD using term "back in old days" and i replied to him.
The very fact that those casts may be first bw matches most sc2 fans have seen even strenghtens the argument of using proper terms.(new fans are like blank page) I have nothing against HD, i just pointed out that this "nitpicking" of bw fans have reason. I even stated that HD had no bad intent in saying that.
On January 03 2012 19:01 Manimal_pro wrote: i played bw but ...hated it, there no mules, and cloaked wraiths are a joke wat da fuck brah?
get out troll!
.. Nice to see HD cast these, too bad I already saw those. Hope he does some more!
I hadn't seen that, and that was the first time in a very long time I've cared about Flash vs Jaedong (I think Flash is like 170-92 against Jaedong in this point).
Too bad it's so hard to get replays of these kinds of games
On January 03 2012 19:01 Manimal_pro wrote: i played bw but ...hated it, there no mules, and cloaked wraiths are a joke wat da fuck brah?
get out troll!
.. Nice to see HD cast these, too bad I already saw those. Hope he does some more!
I hadn't seen that, and that was the first time in a very long time I've cared about Flash vs Jaedong (I think Flash is like 170-92 against Jaedong in this point).
Too bad it's so hard to get replays of these kinds of games
lol @ you guys nit picking things like him saying 'the old days'. haters are such a joke.
listen to yourselves. you sound like washed up, bitter elitists. you don't deserve respect yourselves if you can't give it and cry about stuff that doesn't matter. if anyone is "devaluing the scene" or making it look bad it's you, not him.
Did you guys consider the possibility that he uses the phrase "the old days" because for him personally Brood War is mostly a thing of the past since he is focused on SC2 nowadays? If you really have a problem with it, either don't watch it or pm him about it, whining on a forum isn't going to do anything. Besides, it's not like all of a sudden people who are new to BW aren't going to be interested in it any more, just because he uses that specific phrase.
Unexpected bw content cropping up these days. Saw Husky cast some bw and tt1 stream some games vs gositerran, now HD doing some casting. Sort of interesting to watch and seems to be attracting people into checking out some bw, good stuff.
On January 03 2012 19:50 Epoch wrote: lol @ you guys nit picking things like him saying 'the old days'. haters are such a joke.
listen to yourselves. you sound like washed up, bitter elitists. you don't deserve respect yourselves if you can't give it and cry about stuff that doesn't matter. if anyone is "devaluing the scene" or making it look bad it's you, not him.
thanks for bw casts hd! you da best!
You come to the wrong place to label us as bitter, old elitist, because other people not reasonable like me would have lashed you up with a proper response . There is a limit , how much we could take , we are running down on one league and there is possibility of the industry going to no where the next season . Don't push it ....
On January 03 2012 19:56 supgusy wrote: Unexpected bw content cropping up these days. Saw Husky cast some bw and tt1 stream some games vs gositerran, now HD doing some casting. Sort of interesting to watch and seems to be attracting people into checking out some bw, good stuff.
when did husky cast bw? I cant find it, but would love to see it.
I watched the BW cast by him this december, and I was a bit disappointed that he was so confused about what was going on :/ He kept using the wrong names and over-explaining the most obvious things.He says in the beginning that he's gonna try and cast it as if people know BW, and then he explains every single unit, even though he said he wouldn't :/
On January 03 2012 19:56 supgusy wrote: Unexpected bw content cropping up these days. Saw Husky cast some bw and tt1 stream some games vs gositerran, now HD doing some casting. Sort of interesting to watch and seems to be attracting people into checking out some bw, good stuff.
when did husky cast bw? I cant find it, but would love to see it.
On January 03 2012 19:56 supgusy wrote: Unexpected bw content cropping up these days. Saw Husky cast some bw and tt1 stream some games vs gositerran, now HD doing some casting. Sort of interesting to watch and seems to be attracting people into checking out some bw, good stuff.
when did husky cast bw? I cant find it, but would love to see it.
There is also this livestream that constantly streams some old Husky BW casts, particularly from a Valor tournament or something: http://www.livestream.com/forgotten0ne
Took me a while to find. I'm not sure if this stream is redundant if these games are covered in the vods linked by Pholon, but if it isn't redundant, then it's pretty cool to see some more old-school Husky.
Anyways, I'm not liking the huge atmosphere of drama and hostile tension permeating throughout this thread :/
On January 03 2012 14:19 Antisocialmunky wrote: Always liked HD more than Husky :D Especially because Husky deleted all his videos to cash in on SCII.
Didn't they both do that? It was something about Youtube not allowing people with potentially copyright-violating content to become partners.
They both got partnerships so if HD didn't delete his stuff it was probably on some legal loophole.
Huh, yeah. Then how did he get away with this? Are they from reps?
afaik those are reps (how he got hold of them I do not know)
I do know that the Jaedong vs Flash replay is in the TL.net replay section. Not sure about the Stork vs Bisu one, but I would assume that he found it there as well.
I like that HD is casting BW. I wonder if this is going to result in new bw players. Probably not many. I imagine that if most of his SC2 fans got hold of BW and played a match they would go "why is nothing moving the way I told them to?" and give up.
Which is a pity. I would love to see a wave of new players on Iccup so I could beat teach them.
So awesome that HD is casting BW, him and Husky have by far the most viewers on Youtube and I hope this brings a wave of new fans to BW. Hope Husky and him dual cast a BW game, how awesome would that be
I watched the Hyuk vs Boxer game. While the cast was fun, it was seriously lacking in depth. I chalked that off to his being out of touch with BW for a while, so that's fine. As long as he's bringing more attention to the genius of BW, I will not complain.
On January 03 2012 19:50 Epoch wrote: lol @ you guys nit picking things like him saying 'the old days'. haters are such a joke.
listen to yourselves. you sound like washed up, bitter elitists. you don't deserve respect yourselves if you can't give it and cry about stuff that doesn't matter. if anyone is "devaluing the scene" or making it look bad it's you, not him.
thanks for bw casts hd! you da best!
You come to the wrong place to label us as bitter, old elitist, because other people not reasonable like me would have lashed you up with a proper response . There is a limit , how much we could take , we are running down on one league and there is possibility of the industry going to no where the next season . Don't push it ....
I think you guys are arguing over practically nothing. "The old days" isn't ignorant or misinformed or ill-willed or anything else. I think you're being hypersensitive and finding insult where there is none. It's a common phrase that tons of people have used. Unfortunately many of the things you said about BW are true, but many of us are still a part of the BW community and it's detrimental to try and threaten other people in the same community because they disagree. We're in this together, we just don't think "the old days" is a big deal. And without a doubt, HD is trying to help the BW scene now, so I think it's worth letting this "one" go.
Anyways, thanks, HD, for doing this. I've been following a lot more BW lately and I'm glad some major casters are still trying to keep it going.
On January 03 2012 19:53 bartus88 wrote: Did you guys consider the possibility that he uses the phrase "the old days" because from him personally Brood War is mostly a thing of the past since he is focused on SC2 nowadays?
This! Let's not take it as a jab at the BW scene. Rather it's a reflection of BW in relation to HD and his own personal timeline.
On January 03 2012 10:01 Essbee wrote: "back in the old days". Seriously? I appreciate that he's trying to cast some bw but why so ignorant about the current bw scene?
Thanks anyway, more casters can't hurt that's for sure.
Because he's referring to him casting BW "back in the good old days"...
On January 03 2012 19:50 Epoch wrote: lol @ you guys nit picking things like him saying 'the old days'. haters are such a joke.
listen to yourselves. you sound like washed up, bitter elitists. you don't deserve respect yourselves if you can't give it and cry about stuff that doesn't matter. if anyone is "devaluing the scene" or making it look bad it's you, not him.
thanks for bw casts hd! you da best!
You come to the wrong place to label us as bitter, old elitist, because other people not reasonable like me would have lashed you up with a proper response . There is a limit , how much we could take , we are running down on one league and there is possibility of the industry going to no where the next season . Don't push it ....
I think you guys are arguing over practically nothing. "The old days" isn't ignorant or misinformed or ill-willed or anything else. I think you're being hypersensitive and finding insult where there is none. It's a common phrase that tons of people have used. Unfortunately many of the things you said about BW are true, but many of us are still a part of the BW community and it's detrimental to try and threaten other people in the same community because they disagree. We're in this together, we just don't think "the old days" is a big deal. And without a doubt, HD is trying to help the BW scene now, so I think it's worth letting this "one" go.
Anyways, thanks, HD, for doing this. I've been following a lot more BW lately and I'm glad some major casters are still trying to keep it going.
Because he doesn't mean any offense doesn't mean that there isn't any offense taken, he's helping the community for sure but that sends the old message an annoys us people who still watch (and esp those who play) BW...
It*s nice to see some BW replays being casted by HD. I joined TL because of SC2, but I played BW back then and I enjoy BW streams now and then. But it would be nicer if he would explain the differences between the games a little more. Like: Why the zergs are building 3 Hatch so early (to keep up larvae production, I think ) and so on instead of telling us, that Flash is a outstanding player and Jaedong is Outstanding, too.
Anyway, I would love to see some more BW games casted bei HD!
On January 04 2012 04:18 Hubble wrote: It*s nice to see some BW replays being casted by HD. I joined TL because of SC2, but I played BW back then and I enjoy BW streams now and then. But it would be nicer if he would explain the differences between the games a little more. Like: Why the zergs are building 3 Hatch so early (to keep up larvae production, I think ) and so on instead of telling us, that Flash is a outstanding player and Jaedong is Outstanding, too.
Anyway, I would love to see some more BW games casted bei HD!
That specific game was a 3 hatch muta build. The timing is to bank enough minerals/gas so that when your spire pops, you can immediately begin 3 hatches worth of mutas.
hehe yeah the good old days when everything was better ... but i guess 2 month old is a long time. But alot already scribbled off bw from their list before sc2 was announced, so many will think of bw as the past. I would just tell him, he might not have noticed that and its pretty bad to talk about something that happened recently as something that happened long ago, strategy wise i mean. Its nothing bad to talk about the old days if you explain how bw looked some yeas ago. But the current styles aren't sooo old in most cases. But its really nothing to get upset about, since its natural and happen to everyone.
Oh man that game bwt FlaSh and Jaedong was so epic. So so much actions all over the map. I thought Flash had that game in the bag when he up like 30+ supplies but wow. That dark swarm was too good.
tbh, this guy doesnt play sc2 simply bc he is too busy working for IPL so he doesnt really know what he talking about in sc2... the same thing happening here when he has no BW background and try to commentate the highest of level games.
Unless he actually play the damn thing and know the basic, all these are just like Rebecca Black singing Friday into my ears with a bunch of auto tune.
On January 04 2012 04:57 NB wrote: tbh, this guy doesnt play sc2 simply bc he is too busy working for IPL so he doesnt really know what he talking about in sc2... the same thing happening here when he has no BW background and try to commentate the highest of level games.
Unless he actually play the damn thing and know the basic, all these are just like Rebecca Black singing Friday into my ears with a bunch of auto tune.
If rebecca black could bring in more viewers for BW I could care less if she was casting BW games. I watched his cast of JvF on Tau and while it wasn't great, he has a huge number of people who follow him who wouldn't be exposed to BW otherwise.
i just wish hd would pronounce words correctly. it's your JOB now to speak proper english. stop pronouncing irradiate incorrectly, it's really annoying.
i just wish hd would pronounce words correctly. it's your JOB now to speak proper english. stop pronouncing irradiate incorrectly, it's really annoying.
it's your job to be a dick on the internet. keep up the good work.
i just wish hd would pronounce words correctly. it's your JOB now to speak proper english. stop pronouncing irradiate incorrectly, it's really annoying.
it's your job to be a dick on the internet. keep up the good work.
that's mean. you shouldn't be mean. you should be nice.
On January 04 2012 06:05 ChoiSulli wrote: I saw both games earlier this morning. I have since been refreshing the comment section at work all fucking day. I would say 80% of the people responding are simply amazed at how great the games were. A lot of them flat out say it is there first BW game. A lot of them can immediately notice how different BW is from SC2, in terms of all the small skirmishes that happen rather then the giant death balls. They can simply tell how much micro is needed from just watching and thanks to HD explaining the mechanics, they are also in awe how they are able to multitask that well. A lot are astonished at how action parked the entire games are and how back and forth the games are. I honestly have been having this huge grin on my face reading through all those comments. We really dont need to tell anyone how great BW is, just having channels like that to get it out there to people will be enough. No one needed to tell me how great BW was, I stumbled upon it, and the "BW magic" a term that I guess people have coined recently fully captured me on its own.
Having said all that Iam confused as why we are hung up on the whole "in the old days", seriously who gives a fuck, this is such a positive thing for BW. I have never liked HD myself but I just want to thank him for doing this.
On January 04 2012 04:57 NB wrote: tbh, this guy doesnt play sc2 simply bc he is too busy working for IPL so he doesnt really know what he talking about in sc2... the same thing happening here when he has no BW background and try to commentate the highest of level games.
Unless he actually play the damn thing and know the basic, all these are just like Rebecca Black singing Friday into my ears with a bunch of auto tune.
He's a master Zerg since the very first they. I think he know the game well enough.
I hate HD's SC2 casts as he is off on things so many times and he calls things by the wrong name too much for me. His latest few BW casts though were very nice and I loved every minute of it. He seems alot more in his element casting BW.
I saw both games earlier this morning. I have since been refreshing the comment section at work all fucking day. I would say 80% of the people responding are simply amazed at how great the games were. A lot of them flat out say it is there first BW game. A lot of them can immediately notice how different BW is from SC2, in terms of all the small skirmishes that happen rather then the giant death balls. They can simply tell how much micro is needed from just watching and thanks to HD explaining the mechanics, they are also in awe how they are able to multitask that well. A lot are astonished at how action parked the entire games are and how back and forth the games are. I honestly have been having this huge grin on my face reading through all those comments. We really dont need to tell anyone how great BW is, just having channels like that to get it out there to people will be enough. No one needed to tell me how great BW was, I stumbled upon it, and the "BW magic" a term that I guess people have coined recently fully captured me on its own.
Having said all that Iam confused as why we are hung up on the whole "in the old days", seriously who gives a fuck, this is such a positive thing for BW. I have never liked HD myself but I just want to thank him for doing this.
On January 04 2012 04:57 NB wrote: tbh, this guy doesnt play sc2 simply bc he is too busy working for IPL so he doesnt really know what he talking about in sc2... the same thing happening here when he has no BW background and try to commentate the highest of level games.
Unless he actually play the damn thing and know the basic, all these are just like Rebecca Black singing Friday into my ears with a bunch of auto tune.
he actually started out casting BW, and played it at a proficient level. SC2, he's proficient as well.
you don't have to support him supporting bw you know
You don't need high level commentary to be able to enjoy vods, as long as it's exciting. 90% of BW watchers here prefer the Korean commentators, yet do not understand a word of Korean. That said, glad HD is bringing more attention to the BW scene.
On January 04 2012 06:11 2Pacalypse- wrote: This is awesome, I hope this trend of high profile people from SC2 community giving attention to BW continues.
Now if only Day[9] would host a BW daily again. One per month would be more than enough! We should make a petition to make this happen.
This would be awesome. I'd love to see Day[9] cast some of the recent PL matches.
On January 04 2012 06:11 2Pacalypse- wrote: This is awesome, I hope this trend of high profile people from SC2 community giving attention to BW continues.
Now if only Day[9] would host a BW daily again. One per month would be more than enough! We should make a petition to make this happen.
This would be awesome. I'd love to see Day[9] cast some of the recent PL matches.
indeed.... anyways as everyone said HD casting is good publicity and I have to admit that I enjoyed it anyways..
On January 03 2012 19:56 supgusy wrote: Unexpected bw content cropping up these days. Saw Husky cast some bw and tt1 stream some games vs gositerran, now HD doing some casting. Sort of interesting to watch and seems to be attracting people into checking out some bw, good stuff.
Blame/thank ForGG. A lot of SC2 fans took the "SC2 players were noobs at BW, a good BW player would wipe the floor with them" as BW trolling, and then ForGG actually did start wiping the floor with people, which started making the "BW takes more skill" argument resonate a bit more, increasing interest in BW.
Hyun went from "what are queens?" to ...mediocre, actually, in like two weeks. If he also gets scary good at SC2 once he's used to the game, that would also be good for BW, because it'd increase interest.
SC2 is also starting to stand on it's own merits, so SC2 personalities are feeling more comfortable talking about how awesome BW is because it's not going to cost them their jobs. Even day[9] was giving his "baseballs vs frisbees" speech as to what he misses from BW.
Granted, some of this interest is in the form of "let's lobby Blizz so that HOTS makes SC2 more like BW!", but it's still there.
On January 04 2012 06:11 2Pacalypse- wrote: This is awesome, I hope this trend of high profile people from SC2 community giving attention to BW continues.
Now if only Day[9] would host a BW daily again. One per month would be more than enough! We should make a petition to make this happen.
This would be awesome. I'd love to see Day[9] cast some of the recent PL matches.
indeed.... anyways as everyone said HD casting is good publicity and I have to admit that I enjoyed it anyways..
On January 04 2012 06:11 2Pacalypse- wrote: This is awesome, I hope this trend of high profile people from SC2 community giving attention to BW continues.
Now if only Day[9] would host a BW daily again. One per month would be more than enough! We should make a petition to make this happen.
This would be awesome. I'd love to see Day[9] cast some of the recent PL matches.
indeed.... anyways as everyone said HD casting is good publicity and I have to admit that I enjoyed it anyways..
do. that. nao.
plz !!!
Can't do that legally, and day[9] could get in trouble if he pirates PL on his stream. Or anywhere, for that matter.
On January 04 2012 06:11 2Pacalypse- wrote: This is awesome, I hope this trend of high profile people from SC2 community giving attention to BW continues.
Now if only Day[9] would host a BW daily again. One per month would be more than enough! We should make a petition to make this happen.
This would be awesome. I'd love to see Day[9] cast some of the recent PL matches.
indeed.... anyways as everyone said HD casting is good publicity and I have to admit that I enjoyed it anyways..
do. that. nao.
plz !!!
Can't do that legally, and day[9] could get in trouble if he pirates PL on his stream. Or anywhere, for that matter.
On January 04 2012 06:11 2Pacalypse- wrote: This is awesome, I hope this trend of high profile people from SC2 community giving attention to BW continues.
Now if only Day[9] would host a BW daily again. One per month would be more than enough! We should make a petition to make this happen.
This would be awesome. I'd love to see Day[9] cast some of the recent PL matches.
indeed.... anyways as everyone said HD casting is good publicity and I have to admit that I enjoyed it anyways..
do. that. nao.
plz !!!
Can't do that legally, and day[9] could get in trouble if he pirates PL on his stream. Or anywhere, for that matter.
I just tried uploading a test video (BeSt vs Crazy-Hydra played on Dec 9) and it got content matched. However, the video wasn't blocked; it says it's still available worldwide with ads. Presumably IEG is getting this ad revenue so we can start uploading to Youtube again and all is fine and dandy?
It seems like it would be completely legal for him to upload vods on youtube at least, he would just have to do it for the passion and not for the money.
Though with how much bigger his viewership would be than any of the current bw youtube casters or the official IEG youtube I wonder if it would be possible to negotiate splitting the revenue somehow with the help of a translator.
I miss Brood War, but StarCraft 2 is nice too. Won't be playing much BW so watching HD cast some replays is going to be enjoying. Flash and Jaedong are so good though, so intense watching them go at it.
Other than the fact that he called Jaedong the "Tyrant Killer" the commentaries are fine xD It's actually quite nice that he's putting lots of famous vods together in one place where youtube won't rip them down for fear of losing his subscribers.
On January 03 2012 10:32 Sawamura wrote: Maybe he is doing this for fun ?
With all sincerity he is obviously doing it to attract more viewers and earn more money. I enjoy watching him, though his introductions are the same as the ones he uses in SC2 xD
On January 03 2012 10:32 Sawamura wrote: Maybe he is doing this for fun ?
With all sincerity he is obviously doing it to attract more viewers and earn more money. I enjoy watching him, though his introductions are the same as the ones he uses in SC2 xD
If he wanted more viewers and more money he wouldn't be casting BW he would go for like Knights of the Old, Modern War or some such. Why look the gift horse in the mouth so much?
On January 03 2012 09:28 Zuxo wrote: "Back in the old days" Man he says that a lot.
I'm not gonna pretend I follow the Brood War seen, or did at one point because I don't and never did. But you should stop worrying about his references. I understand that the Brood War scene is still alive and kicking, but the fact is that growth has ceased and growth of SC2 is exponential. I'm not trying to make my case that one is better than the other, but all I'm saying is that Brood War is the "old days" for those now a part of the SC2 scene, and soon will be for everyone as growth has stopped. It's sad because it's such a great game, but it's only a matter of time.
its amazing how people are actually unsubscribing from him because hes putting up BW vods,personally I don't care what he says because hes not aware of the present scene, if hes doing these casts he should be but I can understand why hes not.
I won't comment on his motives or casting style, but the fact that he's doing this at all is really good for the BW community. Definitely going to bring in a lot of new watchers, if not players.
On January 04 2012 10:55 ShatterZer0 wrote: Other than the fact that he called Jaedong the "Tyrant Killer" the commentaries are fine xD
I know Jaedong is the Tyrant, but wasn't he known as the Tyrant Killer as well before that, or am I thinking of someone else?
I think HD mostly followed BW a while back, and is only vaguely aware of it now, and thus says out-of-date stuff. When I started getting back into BW, I mentioned corsair-reaver being like every over BW PvZ, and everyone looked at me funny
On January 04 2012 10:55 ShatterZer0 wrote: Other than the fact that he called Jaedong the "Tyrant Killer" the commentaries are fine xD
I know Jaedong is the Tyrant, but wasn't he known as the Tyrant Killer as well before that, or am I thinking of someone else?
I think HD mostly followed BW a while back, and is only vaguely aware of it now, and thus says out-of-date stuff. When I started getting back into BW, I mentioned corsair-reaver being like every over BW PvZ, and everyone looked at me funny
No he was called the 'legend killer' because as he bursted out of the scene, he has beaten all those legends of the actual 'old days' like Oov, ra, NaDa and etc. You (and HDStarCraft) must have confused the two nicknames.
On January 04 2012 10:55 ShatterZer0 wrote: Other than the fact that he called Jaedong the "Tyrant Killer" the commentaries are fine xD
I know Jaedong is the Tyrant, but wasn't he known as the Tyrant Killer as well before that, or am I thinking of someone else?
I think HD mostly followed BW a while back, and is only vaguely aware of it now, and thus says out-of-date stuff. When I started getting back into BW, I mentioned corsair-reaver being like every over BW PvZ, and everyone looked at me funny
On January 04 2012 10:55 ShatterZer0 wrote: Other than the fact that he called Jaedong the "Tyrant Killer" the commentaries are fine xD
I know Jaedong is the Tyrant, but wasn't he known as the Tyrant Killer as well before that, or am I thinking of someone else?
I think HD mostly followed BW a while back, and is only vaguely aware of it now, and thus says out-of-date stuff. When I started getting back into BW, I mentioned corsair-reaver being like every over BW PvZ, and everyone looked at me funny
No he was called the 'legend killer' because as he bursted out of the scene, he has beaten all those legends of the actual 'old days' like Oov, ra, NaDa and etc. You (and HDStarCraft) must have confused the two nicknames.
My interpretation: he wasn't saying that JD kills tyrants, he was saying that he is both a tyrant and a killer. Basically I think he meant the same thing as "killer tyrant", but said it the other way around.
On January 04 2012 10:55 ShatterZer0 wrote: Other than the fact that he called Jaedong the "Tyrant Killer" the commentaries are fine xD
I know Jaedong is the Tyrant, but wasn't he known as the Tyrant Killer as well before that, or am I thinking of someone else?
I think HD mostly followed BW a while back, and is only vaguely aware of it now, and thus says out-of-date stuff. When I started getting back into BW, I mentioned corsair-reaver being like every over BW PvZ, and everyone looked at me funny
No he was called the 'legend killer' because as he bursted out of the scene, he has beaten all those legends of the actual 'old days' like Oov, ra, NaDa and etc. You (and HDStarCraft) must have confused the two nicknames.
My interpretation: he wasn't saying that JD kills tyrants, he was saying that he is both a tyrant and a killer. Basically I think he meant the same thing as "killer tyrant", but said it the other way around.
Well that would be killing himself.... Same thing as Jaedong, the suicide Zerg lol
I prefer "Lord of Destruction" that the Chinese come up with.
I honestly really like his casts. They're perfect for noobs who don't really understand bw (me) but still watch it and would like to gain a better understanding.
Wow... i never watched brood wars pro gamers..now that i did i have to admit, they put all the SC2 pros to shame, i mean god damn! there was more going on in every single moment than i could follow even on the minimap! And SC1 had control group limit of 12 if i remember correct, and worker AI and pathing AI were a lot worse, you could not group select buildings...
these guys are incredible...
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alanofhuynh 7 hours ago
I like how the armies are in multiple patrols of units instead of one big ball of units going against each other (you could only select what 12 units in this game at a time? if i remember right)
Devek16 5 minutes ago
THIS was the first true broodwar game i have ever seen. The only things that come close were a few games of SC2BW custom games but THIS... these players are GODLIKE (not actualy godlike but like the killstreak award godlike). I WANT MORE!!!!!
(Even better, get these players to play SC2BW. BW with better graphics = hoorah)
masterofthor
Epic match. Thanks for casting this HD. Please make pro Brood War a mainstay on your channel. I much prefer watching pro BW to SC2. Just much more interesting. Notice the lack of a 1-army ball. Multiple fronts and battles going on around the map. Skilled spell casting and macro. SC2 just does not have this level of excitement unfortunately.
ryanmoematteucci 5 hours ago
@TheYannickOne No one is too young to play SC BW.
SonOfNye 1 day ago 5
"We do have hydralisk speed being researched... AND HOW IN THE HECK DID ZERG GO FROM STARCRAFT1 TO STARCRAFT 2 AND LOSE ONE OF THEIR MOST POWERFUL UPGRADES?"
Wow... i never watched brood wars pro gamers..now that i did i have to admit, they put all the SC2 pros to shame, i mean god damn! there was more going on in every single moment than i could follow even on the minimap! And SC1 had control group limit of 12 if i remember correct, and worker AI and pathing AI were a lot worse, you could not group select buildings...
I like how the armies are in multiple patrols of units instead of one big ball of units going against each other (you could only select what 12 units in this game at a time? if i remember right)
THIS was the first true broodwar game i have ever seen. The only things that come close were a few games of SC2BW custom games but THIS... these players are GODLIKE (not actualy godlike but like the killstreak award godlike). I WANT MORE!!!!!
(Even better, get these players to play SC2BW. BW with better graphics = hoorah)
Epic match. Thanks for casting this HD. Please make pro Brood War a mainstay on your channel. I much prefer watching pro BW to SC2. Just much more interesting. Notice the lack of a 1-army ball. Multiple fronts and battles going on around the map. Skilled spell casting and macro. SC2 just does not have this level of excitement unfortunately.
@TheYannickOne No one is too young to play SC BW.
SonOfNye 1 day ago 5
"We do have hydralisk speed being researched... AND HOW IN THE HECK DID ZERG GO FROM STARCRAFT1 TO STARCRAFT 2 AND LOSE ONE OF THEIR MOST POWERFUL UPGRADES?"
They're saving it for HoTS. It's hive tech now
Anyway, it's nice to see more appreciation for BW. I doubt many of these people will be hardcore BW fans (not that it matters), but still. Maybe a few dozen more on ICCUP
Wow... i never watched brood wars pro gamers..now that i did i have to admit, they put all the SC2 pros to shame, i mean god damn! there was more going on in every single moment than i could follow even on the minimap! And SC1 had control group limit of 12 if i remember correct, and worker AI and pathing AI were a lot worse, you could not group select buildings...
these guys are incredible...
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alanofhuynh 7 hours ago
I like how the armies are in multiple patrols of units instead of one big ball of units going against each other (you could only select what 12 units in this game at a time? if i remember right)
Devek16 5 minutes ago
THIS was the first true broodwar game i have ever seen. The only things that come close were a few games of SC2BW custom games but THIS... these players are GODLIKE (not actualy godlike but like the killstreak award godlike). I WANT MORE!!!!!
(Even better, get these players to play SC2BW. BW with better graphics = hoorah)
masterofthor
Epic match. Thanks for casting this HD. Please make pro Brood War a mainstay on your channel. I much prefer watching pro BW to SC2. Just much more interesting. Notice the lack of a 1-army ball. Multiple fronts and battles going on around the map. Skilled spell casting and macro. SC2 just does not have this level of excitement unfortunately.
ryanmoematteucci 5 hours ago
@TheYannickOne No one is too young to play SC BW.
SonOfNye 1 day ago 5
"We do have hydralisk speed being researched... AND HOW IN THE HECK DID ZERG GO FROM STARCRAFT1 TO STARCRAFT 2 AND LOSE ONE OF THEIR MOST POWERFUL UPGRADES?"
They're saving it for HoTS. It's hive tech now
Anyway, it's nice to see more appreciation for BW. I doubt many of these people will be hardcore BW fans (not that it matters), but still. Maybe a few dozen more on ICCUP
Wow... i never watched brood wars pro gamers..now that i did i have to admit, they put all the SC2 pros to shame, i mean god damn! there was more going on in every single moment than i could follow even on the minimap! And SC1 had control group limit of 12 if i remember correct, and worker AI and pathing AI were a lot worse, you could not group select buildings...
these guys are incredible...
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alanofhuynh 7 hours ago
I like how the armies are in multiple patrols of units instead of one big ball of units going against each other (you could only select what 12 units in this game at a time? if i remember right)
Devek16 5 minutes ago
THIS was the first true broodwar game i have ever seen. The only things that come close were a few games of SC2BW custom games but THIS... these players are GODLIKE (not actualy godlike but like the killstreak award godlike). I WANT MORE!!!!!
(Even better, get these players to play SC2BW. BW with better graphics = hoorah)
masterofthor
Epic match. Thanks for casting this HD. Please make pro Brood War a mainstay on your channel. I much prefer watching pro BW to SC2. Just much more interesting. Notice the lack of a 1-army ball. Multiple fronts and battles going on around the map. Skilled spell casting and macro. SC2 just does not have this level of excitement unfortunately.
ryanmoematteucci 5 hours ago
@TheYannickOne No one is too young to play SC BW.
SonOfNye 1 day ago 5
"We do have hydralisk speed being researched... AND HOW IN THE HECK DID ZERG GO FROM STARCRAFT1 TO STARCRAFT 2 AND LOSE ONE OF THEIR MOST POWERFUL UPGRADES?"
They're saving it for HoTS. It's hive tech now
Anyway, it's nice to see more appreciation for BW. I doubt many of these people will be hardcore BW fans (not that it matters), but still. Maybe a few dozen more on ICCUP
On January 03 2012 09:39 gulati wrote: I actually only knew about HD from his BW casts. He was far better and more enthusiastic at his BW casting in my opinion, with his funny side-noted commentary. I really look forward to this.
Same thing with Tasteless, IMO. He was way more passionate about Brood War than he is now about SC2.
OT: more brood war with english commentary is never a bad thing.
I don't get why people don't understand that having a popular caster make 4 videos on broodwar that are each going to be seen by at least 60 000 people is the best thing that can happen to broodwar in the west. Last time I went to Iccup there were 1000 people online ( I just started to play broodwar "seriously" 2 weeks ago), even if only 50 people go to try the game after watching this this is great for broodwar.
I think he is referring to "back in the old days" from when HE used to play it. To be honest, the game has been out for over a decade and there is a new one out, cant believe people getting angry over that.
On January 04 2012 11:54 BLinD-RawR wrote: its amazing how people are actually unsubscribing from him because hes putting up BW vods,personally I don't care what he says because hes not aware of the present scene, if hes doing these casts he should be but I can understand why hes not.
Wait, people actually unsubscribing because of him putting up BW VODs? I don't understand the reasoning behind that...
On January 04 2012 11:54 BLinD-RawR wrote: its amazing how people are actually unsubscribing from him because hes putting up BW vods,personally I don't care what he says because hes not aware of the present scene, if hes doing these casts he should be but I can understand why hes not.
Wait, people actually unsubscribing because of him putting up BW VODs? I don't understand the reasoning behind that...
On January 04 2012 11:54 BLinD-RawR wrote: its amazing how people are actually unsubscribing from him because hes putting up BW vods,personally I don't care what he says because hes not aware of the present scene, if hes doing these casts he should be but I can understand why hes not.
Wait, people actually unsubscribing because of him putting up BW VODs? I don't understand the reasoning behind that...
SC2 fans don't want anything Brood War related
This isn't true T-T I play sc2 at a relatively high level and I look at bw games for inspiration in strategies.
On January 04 2012 11:54 BLinD-RawR wrote: its amazing how people are actually unsubscribing from him because hes putting up BW vods,personally I don't care what he says because hes not aware of the present scene, if hes doing these casts he should be but I can understand why hes not.
Wait, people actually unsubscribing because of him putting up BW VODs? I don't understand the reasoning behind that...
SC2 fans don't want anything Brood War related
Angry BW fans are actually upset about his casting.
I can't see any downside to what he's doing, it brings fresh eyes onto BW; sure he might not be a top notch BW commentator and he might not be the most knowledgeable about the newest stuff on the scene but come on him calling his BW days "the good old days" isn't going to hurt ESPORTS or make us all lose our passion or some such.
Gj and thanks HD, that was a fantastic game to watch between Flash and JD.
i had 2 watch the game every1 is talking about even though i watched flash vs jaedong on tau cross like 10x. HD didnt do anything bad and his voice reminds me of cholera somewhat. i dunno what yall tripping about.
On January 04 2012 11:54 BLinD-RawR wrote: its amazing how people are actually unsubscribing from him because hes putting up BW vods,personally I don't care what he says because hes not aware of the present scene, if hes doing these casts he should be but I can understand why hes not.
Wait, people actually unsubscribing because of him putting up BW VODs? I don't understand the reasoning behind that...
I believe thats only a very small part of people, the comments are generally very positive. I pity those SC2 fans who wont give BW a chance, they don't know what they are missing out man.
I think its awesome that a popular SC2 caster with a huge following starts doing BW games, even if hes not necessarily the best caster out there. Lot of newer sc2 fans understandably find korean vods hard to follow, so more english content is always good!
i dont like 'the old days' thing either.I'm watching him from the time i started playing SC and rly apreciate him trying to be entertaining.i hope he keeps up the good work
Maybe he should consider doing the occasional cast with someone who knows more about the current scene, like Sayle. BW still gets exposure on his channel, fans getting into BW via HD learn about other casters they could also follow, and HD himself doesn't have to make guesses about new strategies and players with whom he might not be as familiar, which will satisfy the hardcore BW crowd. Everyone wins.
I'm going to be really harsh here. I just watched Flash vs JD on Tau Cross, and that might have been one of the worst casts I've ever heard. I guess I could forgive that most of it was a boring lecture in how all the units work, since I'm not really the target audience for that. But the rest, the thing that was actually about the game was just... bleeh. "Flash is reinforcing with some big reinforcement!". No talk about strategy at all, just the general "wow, that's a lot of units!"-talk. All the sniggering at his own jokes.
But I guess it's a good thing as long as it brings more people to the BW-scene. If you're one of those people I would strongly suggest watching Sayle instead though. Or some old Cholera/Rice/Diggity.
Wow... i never watched brood wars pro gamers..now that i did i have to admit, they put all the SC2 pros to shame, i mean god damn! there was more going on in every single moment than i could follow even on the minimap! And SC1 had control group limit of 12 if i remember correct, and worker AI and pathing AI were a lot worse, you could not group select buildings...
these guys are incredible...
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alanofhuynh 7 hours ago
I like how the armies are in multiple patrols of units instead of one big ball of units going against each other (you could only select what 12 units in this game at a time? if i remember right)
Devek16 5 minutes ago
THIS was the first true broodwar game i have ever seen. The only things that come close were a few games of SC2BW custom games but THIS... these players are GODLIKE (not actualy godlike but like the killstreak award godlike). I WANT MORE!!!!!
(Even better, get these players to play SC2BW. BW with better graphics = hoorah)
masterofthor
Epic match. Thanks for casting this HD. Please make pro Brood War a mainstay on your channel. I much prefer watching pro BW to SC2. Just much more interesting. Notice the lack of a 1-army ball. Multiple fronts and battles going on around the map. Skilled spell casting and macro. SC2 just does not have this level of excitement unfortunately.
ryanmoematteucci 5 hours ago
@TheYannickOne No one is too young to play SC BW.
SonOfNye 1 day ago 5
"We do have hydralisk speed being researched... AND HOW IN THE HECK DID ZERG GO FROM STARCRAFT1 TO STARCRAFT 2 AND LOSE ONE OF THEIR MOST POWERFUL UPGRADES?"
They're saving it for HoTS. It's hive tech now
Anyway, it's nice to see more appreciation for BW. I doubt many of these people will be hardcore BW fans (not that it matters), but still. Maybe a few dozen more on ICCUP
On January 04 2012 11:54 BLinD-RawR wrote: its amazing how people are actually unsubscribing from him because hes putting up BW vods,personally I don't care what he says because hes not aware of the present scene, if hes doing these casts he should be but I can understand why hes not.
Wait, people actually unsubscribing because of him putting up BW VODs? I don't understand the reasoning behind that...
SC2 fans don't want anything Brood War related
Angry BW fans are actually upset about his casting.
I can't see any downside to what he's doing, it brings fresh eyes onto BW; sure he might not be a top notch BW commentator and he might not be the most knowledgeable about the newest stuff on the scene but come on him calling his BW days "the good old days" isn't going to hurt ESPORTS or make us all lose our passion or some such.
Gj and thanks HD, that was a fantastic game to watch between Flash and JD.
Gaddam there can be no criticism of his casting !!!!
The fact that he gets criticized for doing small mistakes like saying that the goon range upgrade is 7 instead of 6 (or the other way around, can't remember) doesn't really encourage other popular SC2 people to do the same. I think it is awesome that he did this, and even though he isn't flawless, give the guy a break, he's giving BW more fans.
Well HD is entertaining but his main problem is saying nonsense about what's going on... And sadly, but obviously, it's even worse during BW games. Also, saying BW makes him nostalgic but keeping on mistaking SC2's unit for BW ones... So HD-esque. Whatever, it's a bit more fun than Korean casting, the occasional weird noise apart.
On January 04 2012 11:54 BLinD-RawR wrote: its amazing how people are actually unsubscribing from him because hes putting up BW vods,personally I don't care what he says because hes not aware of the present scene, if hes doing these casts he should be but I can understand why hes not.
Wait, people actually unsubscribing because of him putting up BW VODs? I don't understand the reasoning behind that...
SC2 fans don't want anything Brood War related
Angry BW fans are actually upset about his casting.
I can't see any downside to what he's doing, it brings fresh eyes onto BW; sure he might not be a top notch BW commentator and he might not be the most knowledgeable about the newest stuff on the scene but come on him calling his BW days "the good old days" isn't going to hurt ESPORTS or make us all lose our passion or some such.
Gj and thanks HD, that was a fantastic game to watch between Flash and JD.
Gaddam there can be no criticism of his casting !!!!
There really shouldn't be, it's not meant for you guys (hardcore BW fans) the audience it was meant for enjoyed it and projects like these might even bring new viewers over to BW. >80% of the posts shouldn't be people bitching about the job he's doing, the project isn't for you guys and if you can't just enjoy what he's doing then just don't bother watching his videos; there are tons of other BW vods you can watch on youtube.
On January 03 2012 09:21 Ribbon wrote: Him doing this is a great advertisement of BW to an audience more likely to be receptive of it, so we should all go show our support for him so that he keeps doing this and keeps helping BW grow.
I'm all for watching more BW from HD, but IMO the time has long passed where we need to "grow the BW scene". That time is over, I'm going to let it pass. Let the diehards always be the diehards and appreciate our first love... trying to get new blood interested in a 13 year old, graphically relatively unattractive game (comparably to competitive games of the last few years) especially when its cute heir is struggling so hard to make it big, would be an exercise in futility.
On January 03 2012 09:21 Ribbon wrote: Him doing this is a great advertisement of BW to an audience more likely to be receptive of it, so we should all go show our support for him so that he keeps doing this and keeps helping BW grow.
I'm all for watching more BW from HD, but IMO the time has long passed where we need to "grow the BW scene". That time is over, I'm going to let it pass. Let the diehards always be the diehards and appreciate our first love... trying to get new blood interested in a 13 year old, graphically relatively unattractive game (comparably to competitive games of the last few years) especially when its cute heir is struggling so hard to make it big, would be an exercise in futility.
On January 03 2012 09:21 Ribbon wrote: Him doing this is a great advertisement of BW to an audience more likely to be receptive of it, so we should all go show our support for him so that he keeps doing this and keeps helping BW grow.
I'm all for watching more BW from HD, but IMO the time has long passed where we need to "grow the BW scene". That time is over, I'm going to let it pass. Let the diehards always be the diehards and appreciate our first love... trying to get new blood interested in a 13 year old, graphically relatively unattractive game (comparably to competitive games of the last few years) especially when its cute heir is struggling so hard to make it big, would be an exercise in futility.
I think BW is way superior visually. Regardless of your advanced "graphics", it's like comparing a beautiful portrait to an indiscernible pack of shiny flies.
On January 03 2012 09:21 Ribbon wrote: Him doing this is a great advertisement of BW to an audience more likely to be receptive of it, so we should all go show our support for him so that he keeps doing this and keeps helping BW grow.
I'm all for watching more BW from HD, but IMO the time has long passed where we need to "grow the BW scene". That time is over, I'm going to let it pass. Let the diehards always be the diehards and appreciate our first love... trying to get new blood interested in a 13 year old, graphically relatively unattractive game (comparably to competitive games of the last few years) especially when its cute heir is struggling so hard to make it big, would be an exercise in futility.
I started playing broodwar 2 weeks ago because i got bored of sc2, and I have much more fun playing broodwar. Broodwar is not only for diehard, I enjoy the game more and it's not my first love, sc2 was my first competitive rts. I'm not playing a game to make "esport" or whatever big, I'm playing to have fun, and I will watch sc2 streams if I feel it entertains me I don't feel like I have an obligation to do so. tl dr: I played sc2, then broodwar. I prefered broodwar, i will not go further in this debate but I need to say that bw is not only for diehards.
On January 03 2012 09:21 Ribbon wrote: Him doing this is a great advertisement of BW to an audience more likely to be receptive of it, so we should all go show our support for him so that he keeps doing this and keeps helping BW grow.
I'm all for watching more BW from HD, but IMO the time has long passed where we need to "grow the BW scene". That time is over, I'm going to let it pass. Let the diehards always be the diehards and appreciate our first love... trying to get new blood interested in a 13 year old, graphically relatively unattractive game (comparably to competitive games of the last few years) especially when its cute heir is struggling so hard to make it big, would be an exercise in futility.
I think BW is way superior visually. Regardless of your advanced "graphics", it's like comparing a beautiful portrait to an indiscernible pack of shiny flies.
The real exercise in futility, is your post.
Yup! art in starcraft 2 is a typical today's pulp, art in bw/sc1 was dark sci-fi and to this day stays original in its own way.
To starstrider:
Dustin B himself said "go watch BW", if you want to seek qualities that were lost in SC2 (he admitted it even), so people are there. Curiosity maybe?
On January 03 2012 09:21 Ribbon wrote: Him doing this is a great advertisement of BW to an audience more likely to be receptive of it, so we should all go show our support for him so that he keeps doing this and keeps helping BW grow.
I'm all for watching more BW from HD, but IMO the time has long passed where we need to "grow the BW scene". That time is over, I'm going to let it pass. Let the diehards always be the diehards and appreciate our first love... trying to get new blood interested in a 13 year old, graphically relatively unattractive game (comparably to competitive games of the last few years) especially when its cute heir is struggling so hard to make it big, would be an exercise in futility.
I think BW is way superior visually. Regardless of your advanced "graphics", it's like comparing a beautiful portrait to an indiscernible pack of shiny flies.
The real exercise in futility, is your post.
Yup! art in starcraft 2 is a typical today's pulp, art in bw/sc1 was dark sci-fi and to this day stays original in its own way.
To starstrider:
Dustin B himself said "go watch BW", if you want to seek qualities that were lost in SC2 (he admitted it even), so people are there. Curiosity maybe?
Indeed, BW graphics have a certain crispness to them which allows for a better overview of the battlefield even at low resolutions, while SC2 simply looks better at 1080p and maxed video settings. On topic: "Missile Turret Wall of China"
On January 03 2012 09:21 Ribbon wrote: Him doing this is a great advertisement of BW to an audience more likely to be receptive of it, so we should all go show our support for him so that he keeps doing this and keeps helping BW grow.
I'm all for watching more BW from HD, but IMO the time has long passed where we need to "grow the BW scene". That time is over, I'm going to let it pass. Let the diehards always be the diehards and appreciate our first love... trying to get new blood interested in a 13 year old, graphically relatively unattractive game (comparably to competitive games of the last few years) especially when its cute heir is struggling so hard to make it big, would be an exercise in futility.
I started playing broodwar 2 weeks ago because i got bored of sc2, and I have much more fun playing broodwar. Broodwar is not only for diehard, I enjoy the game more and it's not my first love, sc2 was my first competitive rts. I'm not playing a game to make "esport" or whatever big, I'm playing to have fun, and I will watch sc2 streams if I feel it entertains me I don't feel like I have an obligation to do so. tl dr: I played sc2, then broodwar. I prefered broodwar, i will not go further in this debate but I need to say that bw is not only for diehards.
trust me, after a few weeks you'll be picking up sc2 again. i played bw before sc2 came out, then played sc2, then bw for a while because it got boring, but now im back to sc2. i mean i wont say it's only for diehards, people could come back to play it just for something different, especially those who havent played it before. In the end though i do believe the graphics plus improved, more user friendly mechanics in sc2 will bring them back to it.
On January 05 2012 11:00 GhandiEAGLE wrote: Mad props, HD, but please dont call them the old days T_T
Pretty sure hes just referring to the old days meaning when he played, aka when I played 12 hatch was the standard but im not 100% sure if its still the case today.
I've really enjoyed HD casting the BW games. It's got me into downloading and watching more BW games. Brood War is just so much fun to watch I'm loving it.
On January 03 2012 09:21 Ribbon wrote: Him doing this is a great advertisement of BW to an audience more likely to be receptive of it, so we should all go show our support for him so that he keeps doing this and keeps helping BW grow.
I'm all for watching more BW from HD, but IMO the time has long passed where we need to "grow the BW scene". That time is over, I'm going to let it pass. Let the diehards always be the diehards and appreciate our first love... trying to get new blood interested in a 13 year old, graphically relatively unattractive game (comparably to competitive games of the last few years) especially when its cute heir is struggling so hard to make it big, would be an exercise in futility.
I started playing broodwar 2 weeks ago because i got bored of sc2, and I have much more fun playing broodwar. Broodwar is not only for diehard, I enjoy the game more and it's not my first love, sc2 was my first competitive rts. I'm not playing a game to make "esport" or whatever big, I'm playing to have fun, and I will watch sc2 streams if I feel it entertains me I don't feel like I have an obligation to do so. tl dr: I played sc2, then broodwar. I prefered broodwar, i will not go further in this debate but I need to say that bw is not only for diehards.
trust me, after a few weeks you'll be picking up sc2 again. i played bw before sc2 came out, then played sc2, then bw for a while because it got boring, but now im back to sc2. i mean i wont say it's only for diehards, people could come back to play it just for something different, especially those who havent played it before. In the end though i do believe the graphics plus improved, more user friendly mechanics in sc2 will bring them back to it.
Both games have their appeals. Some people like one and not the other, many (myself included) like both.
I've found, though, that MBS and the easier mechanics don't make SC2 any more enjoyable, but the clock totally does, because I can get a sense of timings very easily. I never know when the hell to expect mutas in bw TvZ, and I'm always a little too late with turrets. Game sense comes with experience, of course, but it's just my personal feelings on the matter.
You guys are better off watching Sayle casting proleague or Nuke they both have huge extensive knowledge about the game and they are still casting broodwar even before sc2 started popping out in to the new scene . Don't trust me ? listen to nuke the stars commentary on 2011 finals osl and for Sayle all the game he cast's are worth watching .
HD has been out of the loop for a very long time and sure has to take some time to recall his previous knowledge about the game which will suffer in terms of casting quality . Although the two commentators , I have suggested above in my opinion are just on a different level compared to hd .
Lol as soon as I saw that I was like, its gotta be Flash.
And i was right.
10 star defense rating ftw.
On January 05 2012 14:02 Ribbon wrote: I've found, though, that MBS and the easier mechanics don't make SC2 any more enjoyable, but the clock totally does, because I can get a sense of timings very easily. I never know when the hell to expect mutas in bw TvZ, and I'm always a little too late with turrets. Game sense comes with experience, of course, but it's just my personal feelings on the matter.
Zergs don't always use the same spire timing anyway. 2 hatch muta comes out a lot faster than 3 hatch muta, and even more so the 12 pool variant. You shouldn't rely on just timing to drop turrets you need to keep your scv alive and scan. In BW scans are free, and lings have to surround workers, so you don't need an in-game clock.
Hyun qualified for Code A, when less than two months ago he didn't even know about the inject larva mechanic. In the same way that ForGG's success led to SC2 fans giving BW a second (or first) look, I predict than Hyun having success in SC2 will also be good for BW, just because people will be going "Of course Hyun is crushing, he was a non-shit BW player!"
So, I'd say expect more SC2 personalities mixing in the BW, and HD doing it more (as he said he would in the third video)
On January 06 2012 20:08 Ribbon wrote: Hyun qualified for Code A, when less than two months ago he didn't even know about the inject larva mechanic. In the same way that ForGG's success led to SC2 fans giving BW a second (or first) look, I predict than Hyun having success in SC2 will also be good for BW, just because people will be going "Of course Hyun is crushing, he was a non-shit BW player!"
So, I'd say expect more SC2 personalities mixing in the BW, and HD doing it more (as he said he would in the third video)
Hyun was no scrub -_- , I like his play style but others may not agree with me , of course he will owned in sc2 , he still has that fighting spirit he initially didn't want to retire out like this from broodwar , but no one was picking him up T_T .
On January 03 2012 09:21 Ribbon wrote: Him doing this is a great advertisement of BW to an audience more likely to be receptive of it, so we should all go show our support for him so that he keeps doing this and keeps helping BW grow.
I'm all for watching more BW from HD, but IMO the time has long passed where we need to "grow the BW scene". That time is over, I'm going to let it pass. Let the diehards always be the diehards and appreciate our first love... trying to get new blood interested in a 13 year old, graphically relatively unattractive game (comparably to competitive games of the last few years) especially when its cute heir is struggling so hard to make it big, would be an exercise in futility.
Ahh good, a defeatist. I love proving you guys wrong- it's become one of my favourite pastimes since SC2 came out
As somebody who never played BW, this is what i've been looking for.. I've tried before to track down some of the best BW match vods, only to have to struggle to understand whats going on due to korean commentary
On January 03 2012 09:21 Ribbon wrote: Him doing this is a great advertisement of BW to an audience more likely to be receptive of it, so we should all go show our support for him so that he keeps doing this and keeps helping BW grow.
I'm all for watching more BW from HD, but IMO the time has long passed where we need to "grow the BW scene". That time is over, I'm going to let it pass. Let the diehards always be the diehards and appreciate our first love... trying to get new blood interested in a 13 year old, graphically relatively unattractive game (comparably to competitive games of the last few years) especially when its cute heir is struggling so hard to make it big, would be an exercise in futility.
I started playing broodwar 2 weeks ago because i got bored of sc2, and I have much more fun playing broodwar. Broodwar is not only for diehard, I enjoy the game more and it's not my first love, sc2 was my first competitive rts. I'm not playing a game to make "esport" or whatever big, I'm playing to have fun, and I will watch sc2 streams if I feel it entertains me I don't feel like I have an obligation to do so. tl dr: I played sc2, then broodwar. I prefered broodwar, i will not go further in this debate but I need to say that bw is not only for diehards.
trust me, after a few weeks you'll be picking up sc2 again. i played bw before sc2 came out, then played sc2, then bw for a while because it got boring, but now im back to sc2. i mean i wont say it's only for diehards, people could come back to play it just for something different, especially those who havent played it before. In the end though i do believe the graphics plus improved, more user friendly mechanics in sc2 will bring them back to it.
Both games have their appeals. Some people like one and not the other, many (myself included) like both.
I've found, though, that MBS and the easier mechanics don't make SC2 any more enjoyable, but the clock totally does, because I can get a sense of timings very easily. I never know when the hell to expect mutas in bw TvZ, and I'm always a little too late with turrets. Game sense comes with experience, of course, but it's just my personal feelings on the matter.
scan/scout and then check spire health?? It's not terribly difficult ..
if you REALLY want that clock, there's always w/Mini/Chaoslauncher that has an in-game timer feature you can use (ICCup launcher sucks lol)
its cool that HD is doing this but I really wish that he would put atleast a little bit of effort into learning how BW works. I feel like he's just makes shit up when hes casting.
On January 05 2012 11:00 GhandiEAGLE wrote: Mad props, HD, but please dont call them the old days T_T
Pretty sure hes just referring to the old days meaning when he played, aka when I played 12 hatch was the standard but im not 100% sure if its still the case today.
On January 06 2012 22:40 puppykiller wrote: its cool that HD is doing this but I really wish that he would put atleast a little bit of effort into learning how BW works. I feel like he's just makes shit up when hes casting.
I think he's mentioned several times before that he's played and used to keep up with the scene before, but that was some time ago. Reading the comments in some of the other videos, I hope this doesn't bring in the wrong crowed. I dont play BW very much, but everyone here seems really nice compared to any SC2 site/network (oh god reddit...)
On January 06 2012 21:04 teacash wrote: As somebody who never played BW, this is what i've been looking for.. I've tried before to track down some of the best BW match vods, only to have to struggle to understand whats going on due to korean commentary
On January 03 2012 09:21 Ribbon wrote: Him doing this is a great advertisement of BW to an audience more likely to be receptive of it, so we should all go show our support for him so that he keeps doing this and keeps helping BW grow.
I'm all for watching more BW from HD, but IMO the time has long passed where we need to "grow the BW scene". That time is over, I'm going to let it pass. Let the diehards always be the diehards and appreciate our first love... trying to get new blood interested in a 13 year old, graphically relatively unattractive game (comparably to competitive games of the last few years) especially when its cute heir is struggling so hard to make it big, would be an exercise in futility.
I started playing broodwar 2 weeks ago because i got bored of sc2, and I have much more fun playing broodwar. Broodwar is not only for diehard, I enjoy the game more and it's not my first love, sc2 was my first competitive rts. I'm not playing a game to make "esport" or whatever big, I'm playing to have fun, and I will watch sc2 streams if I feel it entertains me I don't feel like I have an obligation to do so. tl dr: I played sc2, then broodwar. I prefered broodwar, i will not go further in this debate but I need to say that bw is not only for diehards.
trust me, after a few weeks you'll be picking up sc2 again. i played bw before sc2 came out, then played sc2, then bw for a while because it got boring, but now im back to sc2. i mean i wont say it's only for diehards, people could come back to play it just for something different, especially those who havent played it before. In the end though i do believe the graphics plus improved, more user friendly mechanics in sc2 will bring them back to it.
I agree that it's something, I'm not arguing that one is better than the other (some aspects of broodwar are frustrating as hell), I just say that broodwar feels more entertaining to me. What I like in broodwar are the micro possibilities, the fact that a 200/200 feels really really big and that you can effectively control space. The interface is frustrating and the control are betters in sc2 but this is only a small part of what's making a game. My problem with sc2 is that I feel that the output of the game is decided to quicly: you don't have a lot of time where the tension is building, it's really really rare to have combacks in sc2 when someone has a big food deficit . I think that if anything would make me switch to sc2 again it's the difficulty to find opponents with the same skill than me (low D) on Iccup.
MVP vs Hoekins was effing sick, every broodwar lover should watch it.
I don't really blame HD about the queens and hydras bit as that is quite a recent development, people should get off his nuts. He has great obsing skills too.
The one thing he missed commentary on was the hold lurkers, and MVP map hack scanned them and kill them. That was my favorite part.
The MVP/Hoekins game was the first time in years I've watched a BW game and gone "holy shit, I didn't know that was viable". It's an exciting feeling. I'll have to try that style later this week.
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