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Elefanto
Switzerland3584 Posts
On December 15 2011 19:47 Tufas wrote: Well, maybe woongjin isnt a walkover for the big teams anymore, might even make things exciting. What? Woongjin has become a serious contender since 2010. With Soulkey emerging and the addition of Light they had a scary rooster since last year. | ||
Kipsate
Netherlands45349 Posts
I don't think they have what it takes to be the PL champion, but they are surely a force to be reckoned with, as is Samsung Khan, only STX, Ace and well KT(so far) currently seem to be drawing the short straw. | ||
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pylonsalad
Canada649 Posts
On December 15 2011 19:20 FirstProbe wrote: How is it a build order win when its a decision made like 7 minutes into the game, and after you've been scouted? Bisu fans are ridiculous. You need to watch more PvP. Or more SC in general. Being scouted in PvP is not really being scouted when the probe dies or leaves before it sees anything after core. | ||
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aupstar
Australia912 Posts
On December 15 2011 22:21 pylonsalad wrote: You need to watch more PvP. Or more SC in general. Being scouted in PvP is not really being scouted when the probe dies or leaves before it sees anything after core. Bisu wasn't aggressive with his 2 gate and placed no pressure on Free (critical mistake 1) Bisu did no damage with his faster reaver tech (critical mistake 2) When noticing that he was behind he had goons in the middle of the map in an aggressive stance in between the bases instead of setting up in a defensive stance with reavers @base (critical mistake #3) Basically, he was outplayed. Perhaps if he had been aggressive at the start with his 2 gate, free would reveal his build. Perhaps if he did some damage with his reavers, free wouldn't get that far ahead with his econ. Perhaps if bisu had a good concave at his base with reavers, he wouldn't have been obliterated so easily and come back into the game by evening out army and getting an expo. Anywho, I think bisu played poorly and free played well. I don't think build order is the sole factor for bisu losing the game. Side note: GO FREE!  I don't care that you killed my anti team! Wreak havoc and bring forth the goons of war! | ||
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whatusername
Canada1181 Posts
On December 15 2011 21:08 Elefanto wrote: What? Woongjin has become a serious contender since 2010. With Soulkey emerging and the addition of Light they had a scary rooster since last year. yeah dude goddam i wish i had a rooster like theirs | ||
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nbaker
United States1341 Posts
I'm glad to hear Zero still doing well in practice even though it's kind of expected given his history and the ways he lost. I still think he has the best shot at beating top tier players from other teams, but I guess with this new format that isn't as important a characteristic. Anyways, doesn't matter because we won! Free fighting! Woongjin fighting! | ||
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Archers_bane
United States1338 Posts
On December 15 2011 23:32 nbaker wrote: Go Free! Wish I had put him and Soulkey on my fpl out of blind fanboyism rather than trying to play smart t.t I'm glad to hear Zero still doing well in practice even though it's kind of expected given his history and the ways he lost. I still think he has the best shot at beating top tier players from other teams, but I guess with this new format that isn't as important a characteristic. Anyways, doesn't matter because we won! Free fighting! Woongjin fighting! I traded SK for Flash  im so sad | ||
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Soft`Soap
Canada865 Posts
On December 15 2011 22:30 aupstar wrote: Bisu wasn't aggressive with his 2 gate and placed no pressure on Free (critical mistake 1) Bisu did no damage with his faster reaver tech (critical mistake 2) When noticing that he was behind he had goons in the middle of the map in an aggressive stance in between the bases instead of setting up in a defensive stance with reavers @base (critical mistake #3) Basically, he was outplayed. Perhaps if he had been aggressive at the start with his 2 gate, free would reveal his build. Perhaps if he did some damage with his reavers, free wouldn't get that far ahead with his econ. Perhaps if bisu had a good concave at his base with reavers, he wouldn't have been obliterated so easily and come back into the game by evening out army and getting an expo. Anywho, I think bisu played poorly and free played well. I don't think build order is the sole factor for bisu losing the game. Side note: GO FREE! I don't care that you killed my anti team! Wreak havoc and bring forth the goons of war!Bisu lost because he didn't place pressure with his 2 gate end of argument lol, I don't think he even knew about the nexus going up as fast as it did and that was his fault. But realistically you can't expect players to always know what their opponent is doing but reaver tech went up at around the same time for both players (i think?, not 100% sure on this, I know bisu got facility first) nevertheless, free outplayed bisu this week, and as a huge bisu fan i was pretty dissapointed lol but I still blame SKT's loss on soo lol | ||
rotinegg
United States1719 Posts
On December 16 2011 03:13 MiXyass wrote: Bisu lost because he didn't place pressure with his 2 gate end of argument lol, I don't think he even knew about the nexus going up as fast as it did and that was his fault. But realistically you can't expect players to always know what their opponent is doing but reaver tech went up at around the same time for both players (i think?, not 100% sure on this, I know bisu got facility first) nevertheless, free outplayed bisu this week, and as a huge bisu fan i was pretty dissapointed lol but I still blame SKT's loss on soo lol Bisu went a safe build because he thought free might cheese him, considering Bisu is the better player... so he put down 2 gates before nexus to defend any kind of 3-gate aggression, but instead free went greedy and bisu didn't catch it in time because he stayed close to his base to defend any potential cheese. Bisu's robotics went up quicker than free's but again he wanted to play safe and went obs before shuttle/reaver, which would have been his last chance at winning the game. Once his obs saw free's nat, the game was pretty much over since free had mined an extra ~130x7=910 minerals by the time Bisu put down a nexus at his natural, which wasn't completed until many more minerals later. | ||
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Jragon
Australia1471 Posts
On December 15 2011 21:08 Elefanto wrote: What? Woongjin has become a serious contender since 2010. With Soulkey emerging and the addition of Light they had a scary rooster since last year. No doubt, they're cock-of-the-walk right now. Perhaps someone with more knowledge of PvP positioning will correct this, but it seemed that if Bisu had held the top of the ramp when Free was pushing up it and had landed reavers near the mineral patches, Bisu could have separated the reavers from a main army fighting uphill into a choke and forced a retreat. | ||
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figq
12519 Posts
 ZerO  Light Neo.G_Soulkey  sHy free is starting to look like a dream team. I'm praying for 8 vs Stars finals. | ||
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pylonsalad
Canada649 Posts
On December 16 2011 08:30 Jragon wrote: No doubt, they're cock-of-the-walk right now. Perhaps someone with more knowledge of PvP positioning will correct this, but it seemed that if Bisu had held the top of the ramp when Free was pushing up it and had landed reavers near the mineral patches, Bisu could have separated the reavers from a main army fighting uphill into a choke and forced a retreat. Had Bisu held the top of the ramp, which he should have done, Free would not even try to break through. Maybe he would have gone around. Most likely he would have just stayed put and macro'd up more. The game would have lasted longer but Bisu would still be at a huge economic disadvantage. | ||
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Lachrymose
Australia1928 Posts
On December 15 2011 22:30 aupstar wrote: Bisu wasn't aggressive with his 2 gate and placed no pressure on Free (critical mistake 1) Bisu did no damage with his faster reaver tech (critical mistake 2) When noticing that he was behind he had goons in the middle of the map in an aggressive stance in between the bases instead of setting up in a defensive stance with reavers @base (critical mistake #3) Basically, he was outplayed. Perhaps if he had been aggressive at the start with his 2 gate, free would reveal his build. Perhaps if he did some damage with his reavers, free wouldn't get that far ahead with his econ. Perhaps if bisu had a good concave at his base with reavers, he wouldn't have been obliterated so easily and come back into the game by evening out army and getting an expo. Anywho, I think bisu played poorly and free played well. I don't think build order is the sole factor for bisu losing the game. Side note: GO FREE! I don't care that you killed my anti team! Wreak havoc and bring forth the goons of war!What the hell? You don't "put on pressure" with two gateways in PvP. Bisu did not have faster reaver tech. He had a faster obs tech. Free prayed Bisu wasn't planning to go gateways or dts. Bisu wasn't planning to go gateways or dts. Free got a free win. | ||
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