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The Importance of Coaching and Why ACE is Winning

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tedster
Profile Joined May 2009
984 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-28 02:50:04
November 28 2011 02:32 GMT
#1
Air Force ACE is only as strong as its coaching... and it has the best coaching in the game today.

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Does this claim seem ridiculous? Teams such as SKT and KT are renowned for having premier coaching talent, all the way down to racial coaches, with coach Park/oov especially considered the gold standard for coaching excellence. With oov's retirement, Coach Park still stands undisputed as the most successful in the game today. For the most part, other than training and preparing the players, his part involves setting lineups and creating mismatches for the opponent based on racial and map compositions. In this area, he has proven to be among the greatest of all time.

ACE's Coach Song and his team have absolutely blown Coach Park out of the water in regards to strategy, and in fact have morphed ACE from a team playing from behind into one that makes all the rules during a set. Let's take a look at how this works.

First you should watch the end of this vid as FBH finds his dance groove again
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ND5Osyw9k6w&feature=youtu.be&t=26m3s

The Air Force ACE bandwagon is bigger than ever before. Everyone pulls for the boys in blue, sometimes even rooting against their own "home team" because, come on, it's ACE. An endearing mix of castoffs and old legends, ACE is the perennial underdog, impressing with each victory and providing a dramatic storyline to accompany each game. Whether we are watching a fallen god attempting to reclaim his fire, or a plucky bench-jockey finally receiving A-team exposure, it feels good to root for ACE. And until recently, that was very important, because rooting for ACE meant you were rarely getting the satisfaction of a "W" in the result column.

Last season, this changed dramatically.

ACE went from being the worst team in the league by a wide margin to outperforming "legitimate" teams in several rounds. While the winners-league format still unceremoniously crushed ACE's playoff hopes and handed them the worst overall record, their overall play in other rounds was remarkable compared to prior seasons, winning more games, having more close losses, and winning nearly twice as many team matches as ever before. Furthermore, ACE began to play with a swagger heretofore unseen; while they still celebrated each win individually and as a team, players began to exit the booth after a tough win a look of pride and a knowing nod, instead of the deer-in-the-headlights, how-did-I-do-that astonishment of previous years.

Look at Peace's hands shake when he goes to salute after the match. You think he goes out there expecting to lose now?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nBqPoxFZrZM&feature=youtu.be&t=21m14s

Individual players acquired clear identities and roles; (Z)ggaemo became known as a legitimate ZvP sniper with a solid ZvT, (T)firebathero established a new reputation as a viable TvP player while returning to form in his other matchups, (T)PianO and (Z)Peace showed dangerous prowess as early-game strategic players with excellent small-scale micro (especially Piano's play against lurkers, which might be some of the best in the game today despite his terrible multitask and mediocre vP. Seriously, the guy is so much like (T)Casy that I can't believe people don't talk about it all the time). Other players stepped up and took on roles as snipers, solid backbones, and potential Ace match/map-specific threats.

Many attribute this newfound success to better recruiting and practicing, as well as a trend of taking on younger, less-appreciated players (Piano, Peace, Ggaemo) instead of mostly established, but potentially washed-up, veterans. Certainly the ACE players of today are much more modern and better-equipped to play 2011 Broodwar than the men of (T)BoxeR's ACE were to play in their current metagame. But with ACE, more than any other team, credit must be given not to the players themselves, despite their admirable play of late, but to the real force behind their current success.

Coach Song has done this by completely rethinking the concept of the Starcraft "team"; instead of a group of ragtag players who are trying to accumulate wins for a team individually, ACE now functions as a cohesive unit that cleverly forces an opponent to react to a constantly shifting metagame of unusual strategies, carefully chosen rushes, and corner-cutting macro play to keep every player on the team completely off-guard, make it impossible to predict who or even what race will play on a given map, and to turn standard racial matchup conventions on their heads. While an individual player might successfully do this (both (T)Flash and (P)Nal_rA are excellent examples of players who rigorously utilized cheesy play to craft a reputation of unpredictability, and then respectively pioneered Double Nexus and 14cc play as well as a host of other corner-cutting macro measures), never before has an entire team managed to consistently perplex the way ACE has managed of late. It is always a surprise who they send out on a specific map (or even field on a given day), and there is no "default" strategy the other team can assume REGARDLESS of opponent.

When you let (T)Canata beat you with cheese, you were definitely not ready for your opponent


All this means practicing to beat ACE is absolute Hell on the other team and no better than a crapshoot. But even better, it means ACE has an easier time practicing than ever before; when you are intentionally choosing unconventional strategies and rushes, you are dictating the flow of the game and have much less impetus to practice for a wide variety of circumstances. Liberal early-game shenanigans force the opponent to play perfectly while ACE players concentrate on a very specific and easy-to-practice plan, requiring much less in the way of time or quality practice partners to test and refine. Furthermore, it allows the macro players of that week extra time to tie up practice partners, gives them leeway in their live matches to outmacro opponents in the early game (because the opponents are, rightfully, overly preoccupied with playing safe and not being cheesed), and once again means they are more likely to dictate the flow of the game. This gives ACE an edge over "good" players from other teams, who have almost no incentive to cheese ACE (cheesing is best when you are the underdog and can predict the opponent race, and if ACE is likely to rush as well you are setting up, at best, a 50/50 situation) and visibly rattles many players and teams.

Firebathero decides to beat the hell out of (T)Bogus twice in one day, who cares if he's one of the top Terrans in PL


By utilizing an incredibly scrappy, in-your-face style of team-play that was previously unknown, ACE is effectively fielding an entire lineup of (T)UpMaGiCs, (T)BoxeRs, and (P)Nal_rAs, with the ability to play better macro games than those players were ever really capable of... and it is allowing ACE to establish an identity, with all the confidence that comes from such. This is scary!

With the new proleague format, and the removal of ACE matches, other teams may find that ACE is better-equipped, strategically, to handle proleague than any other team. While they will almost certainly be outperformed, other top teams need to pay attention to this new strategic trend, and hopefully some of the weaker teams (STX in particular) will incorporate this style of play into their everyday lineups, because it is the only way to beat a team like Team8, CJ, or SKT who can roll out 5 very good players each day. Whether or not other coaches understand this call to action, they will feel its effects the next time ACE batters down their doors with players no one has ever heard of before.
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ironchef
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
Canada1350 Posts
November 28 2011 02:38 GMT
#2
Nice writeup. Yea I kind of remember not that long ago, I liked them but expected them to lose vs almost any team. Couldn't really put a finger on what they were doing differently but they've been kicking ass. Thanks for the insight.
“Because your own strength is unequal to the task, do not assume that it is beyond the powers of man; but if anything is within the powers and province of man, believe that it is within your own compass also.” - Marcus Aurelius
Kralic
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Canada2628 Posts
November 28 2011 03:14 GMT
#3
Nice write up. It is not shocking ACE is going to be deadly under this new format, and with the players they have, they will do extremely well when it gets to the game 4 and 5.
Brood War forever!
rigelq
Profile Joined May 2010
United States230 Posts
November 28 2011 03:40 GMT
#4
Great writeup. I never really payed too much attention to ACE before this last season (started paying attention mostly because of FBH) but when I did I was pleasantly surprised. Great insight, thanks!
rotinegg
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States1719 Posts
November 28 2011 04:04 GMT
#5
this is great insight to an area not many people give any particular attention. Great writeup xD
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FuRong
Profile Joined April 2010
New Zealand3089 Posts
November 28 2011 04:11 GMT
#6
I think you're right, this could be the best season yet for Ace.

What better way to start off than with a win over last season's champions?
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]343[
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States10328 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-28 04:22:15
November 28 2011 04:22 GMT
#7
nice OP. Indeed, this new format will only benefit ACE, and the ACE coach has definitely been doing better and better with his men... Things are only looking up for ACE :D

[However, what's worrying is that... if ACE doesn't finish last, what will the sponsor of the last-place team feel...? D: ]
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Azriel
Profile Joined December 2010
Mexico462 Posts
November 28 2011 04:24 GMT
#8
That's a very infomative post, sir.

ACE is becoming a stronger team each day. I'm pretty sure they won't end last place in the rankings this time, and hopefully they'll make it to the playoffs.
Risen
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States7927 Posts
November 28 2011 04:29 GMT
#9
Always gotta pull for the boys in blue

Thank you for taking the time to write this up, very insightful.
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DyEnasTy
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States3714 Posts
November 28 2011 04:30 GMT
#10
I dont see how this new format benefits ACE over other teams.

But yes, I always root for ACE!
Much better to die an awesome Terran than to live as a magic wielding fairy or a mindless sac of biological goop. -Manifesto7
Chef
Profile Blog Joined August 2005
10810 Posts
November 28 2011 04:36 GMT
#11
Hmmmm.... I think it's a little early for a title like this. To say a team is winning after just one 3:2 victory is a misuse of the word. I'm rooting for ACE too but it's speculative if they are going to do well the whole season. (that's my reaction to title haha. Will read this tomorrow when I am not sleepy. I bet everything else is very interesting ^^).
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Ahaha
Profile Joined November 2011
11 Posts
November 28 2011 04:44 GMT
#12
I think you (OP) is flowing with the wind too easily. ACE is performing better because they have better player this time around and one match 3:2 win doesn't say anything. You should save your talk until they're top half or at least win 3-4 match in a row.

Overall, such conclusion is inappropriate.
ArvickHero
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
10387 Posts
November 28 2011 04:47 GMT
#13
On November 28 2011 13:30 DyEnasTy wrote:
I dont see how this new format benefits ACE over other teams.

But yes, I always root for ACE!

Because ACE almost always failed at the ACE match?
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DyEnasTy
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States3714 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-28 05:02:10
November 28 2011 04:59 GMT
#14


edited for failure
Much better to die an awesome Terran than to live as a magic wielding fairy or a mindless sac of biological goop. -Manifesto7
DyEnasTy
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States3714 Posts
November 28 2011 05:01 GMT
#15
On November 28 2011 13:36 Chef wrote:
Hmmmm.... I think it's a little early for a title like this. To say a team is winning after just one 3:2 victory is a misuse of the word. I'm rooting for ACE too but it's speculative if they are going to do well the whole season. (that's my reaction to title haha. Will read this tomorrow when I am not sleepy. I bet everything else is very interesting ^^).


exactly. And Id say this win was more of a coach failure on KT's part by sending out HoeJJa and BarrackS (wtf) when they have Wooki and Mind.
Much better to die an awesome Terran than to live as a magic wielding fairy or a mindless sac of biological goop. -Manifesto7
iSometric
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
2221 Posts
November 28 2011 05:07 GMT
#16
IMO barracks is the new baxter if he is sent out regularly.
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d3_crescentia
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States4054 Posts
November 28 2011 05:12 GMT
#17
fuck yeah ace
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trexbqs
Profile Joined January 2011
Malaysia1731 Posts
November 28 2011 05:24 GMT
#18
great insight. Thanks
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Superiorwolf
Profile Blog Joined March 2007
United States5509 Posts
November 28 2011 05:38 GMT
#19
fuck yeah ace

great writeup thanks!
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VGhost
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States3615 Posts
November 28 2011 05:45 GMT
#20
Back in July in my review of last season I wrote,

VGhost

People, somebody on the ACE coaching staff know what they're doing. RuBy last year might have been an anomaly, but ggaemo - who lost out as Jaedong's apprentice to Killer - has become Military-Dong. M18M is a competent player now. Iris looked resurgent at times, PianO almost looks like the Terran hope he was supposed to be for Woongjin - for the first time ever he finished a season with a winning record. And the greatest miracle of all? - firebathero has learned to TvP. Wait, what? Somebody at ACE is doing something very right.


Glad to see someone else agreeing with me!

Anyway, I want to say here that one pattern I've noticed is that 2nd year ACE players have (almost notoriously, except I'm not sure who's actually noticed) really dropped off in terms of performance: I'm guessing it's a question of simply not having the practice time. This was really noticeable in FBH's win over Action - his multi-tasking was almost non-existent. The camera would repeatedly cut from a brilliant display of micro (which he still has) to another force getting swamped by ling/swarm, something KHAN's firebathero would never have let happen. This was in fact almost entirely responsible for dragging the game out as long as it did go: Action's muta were decisively refuted, and fbh had a huge macro lead the entire game. Whether firebathero's eventual win was due more to his understanding of the TvZ game (which is still phenomenal) or simply to Action's suckiness (he depends on Hive-level spell micro and his early game is absurdly weak for a #1 Zerg) I leave to the reader's judgment.
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