EPTI think more than coaching, it's the lack of pressure that has allowed these players to succeed. We're talking about B level level players living breathing BW but rarely gets a chance to shine. And even when they're sent out, they must feel they're on a short leash with all the other guys fighting for that PL lineup spot. We have veteran former top players who had to face the constant pressure of having to win time after time. A lot of players in BW don't succeed more due to mental issues than physical issues. It's these players who sometimes succeed in Ace.
The Importance of Coaching and Why ACE is Winning - Page 2
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baubo
China3370 Posts
I think more than coaching, it's the lack of pressure that has allowed these players to succeed. We're talking about B level level players living breathing BW but rarely gets a chance to shine. And even when they're sent out, they must feel they're on a short leash with all the other guys fighting for that PL lineup spot. We have veteran former top players who had to face the constant pressure of having to win time after time. A lot of players in BW don't succeed more due to mental issues than physical issues. It's these players who sometimes succeed in Ace. | ||
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Ideas
United States8182 Posts
On November 28 2011 15:16 baubo wrote: I'm leery about the coaching aspect, especially because if the Ace coach is so good, one of the other teams like SKT1 or KT would've hired that guy. Just a guess from a free market standpoint. I think more than coaching, it's the lack of pressure that has allowed these players to succeed. We're talking about B level level players living breathing BW but rarely gets a chance to shine. And even when they're sent out, they must feel they're on a short leash with all the other guys fighting for that PL lineup spot. We have veteran former top players who had to face the constant pressure of having to win time after time. A lot of players in BW don't succeed more due to mental issues than physical issues. It's these players who sometimes succeed in Ace. i second this post | ||
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Grettin
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Caladbolg
2855 Posts
I've always thought ACE had the best cheeses, more so than even SKT/CJ (the two best proleague coaching staffs) | ||
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tedster
984 Posts
I am also not saying the ACE coaches understand the game better or are better at preparing players for specific matchups. However, Coach Song and his team clearly understand the limitations of ACE and have worked hard to play to their strengths, to much greater success in recent times, and could perhaps herald an important new trend in the team-based metagame now that ACE matches are gone. ACE's strategy works best against "above average" to "A-tier" players, who normally have great incentive to player super-standard, but often falls against the top of A-tier and S-tier opponents, who have the skills and game sense to play through most scenarios. Now that S-tier players cannot play twice per match, confounding strategies designed to attack the 2-5th best players on a team are more valuable by comparison. I am in no way basing my evaluation of ACE's prospects/skill level on the win over KT. In fact, it is not actually surprising at all that KT, a relatively shallow team with a few very good players, would fall to ACE, a team that uses its entire depth, top-to-bottom, in a clever and unique way. | ||
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Hesmyrr
Canada5776 Posts
On November 28 2011 13:22 ]343[ wrote: [However, what's worrying is that... if ACE doesn't finish last, what will the sponsor of the last-place team feel...? D: ] Easy. Nobody will be unhappy about ACE beating them if they make it off to play-offs, not merely end up as 7th. | ||
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Erasme
Bahamas15899 Posts
On November 28 2011 15:16 baubo wrote: I'm leery about the coaching aspect, especially because if the Ace coach is so good, one of the other teams like SKT1 or KT would've hired that guy. Just a guess from a free market standpoint. I think more than coaching, it's the lack of pressure that has allowed these players to succeed. We're talking about B level level players living breathing BW but rarely gets a chance to shine. And even when they're sent out, they must feel they're on a short leash with all the other guys fighting for that PL lineup spot. We have veteran former top players who had to face the constant pressure of having to win time after time. A lot of players in BW don't succeed more due to mental issues than physical issues. It's these players who sometimes succeed in Ace. But why would it be more true now than before ? | ||
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tedster
984 Posts
On November 28 2011 15:16 baubo wrote: I'm leery about the coaching aspect, especially because if the Ace coach is so good, one of the other teams like SKT1 or KT would've hired that guy. Just a guess from a free market standpoint. Not if he's in the Air Force and hasn't coached before. It's not like there's an enormous college sports network for coaches to develop and come to the forefront like in US sports. Furthermore, many of the teams out there aren't operating at a profit, and the BW market itself is shrinking, so applying the free market argument doesn't necessarily work as there might not be any serious financial incentive to developing top coaching talent. What is significant is that the Air Force coach is running his team in a different manner to other coaches in the league. Map/roster selections are less predictable and players with enormous, known holes in their game are able to play around them because they are dictating the pace.  PianO, for example, absolutely falls to pieces in lategame macro play and has no real multitask - but by playing unconventionally and mixing in early-game cheese, as well as playing on wildly varying maps with map-specific strategies, Piano almost never has to play a conventional lategame. | ||
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Skeggaba
Korea (South)1556 Posts
Good write - up! | ||
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samaNo4
Spain245 Posts
So sad that I have no emotional connection with BW players, it makes me not want to watch BW. But bit by bit I'm starting to get in, apart from the known Flash, Bisu and Jaedong I'm starting to get more with Firebathero, Sea, etc, and if I see that they are playing, I stay there to watch. Why did I say that? Well, because I watched the entire ACE series (with Sayle's commentary of course) and I know nothing about BW. But these people, going to military and playing professionally at the same time..so awesome. There's a story, something to root for. | ||
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oldfartz
Philippines117 Posts
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tedster
984 Posts
On November 30 2011 18:14 oldfartz wrote: lol no. Hey good analysis man | ||
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iSometric
2221 Posts
Didn't expect them to get stomped 3-0, even if it is CJ. | ||
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Elroi
Sweden5617 Posts
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maximuspita
1093 Posts
Thanks for the write up. I wanted to write something like this and from a similar point of view because I knew that the coaching staff was responsible for the stronger ACE players but I didn't have your knowledge. I hope the staff can do the same wonders to Kal and Great! | ||
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amazingxkcd
GRAND OLD AMERICA16375 Posts
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Ideas
United States8182 Posts
On December 01 2011 08:53 iSometric wrote: + Show Spoiler + Didn't expect them to get stomped 3-0, even if it is CJ. not yet. he's still in basic training i think. he hasn't been seen on the bench at either match (at least i dont remember anyone saying they saw him). I thought I saw at the first match, but it was actually someone else lol. damn bald asians | ||
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bubblegumbo
Taiwan1296 Posts
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subV
United States93 Posts
On November 28 2011 11:32 tedster wrote: For the most part, other than training and preparing the players, his part involves setting lineups and creating mismatches for the opponent based on racial and map compositions. >Firebathero: We each picked our favourite maps, then did a random draw. The entry does not reflect our internal rankings. In the next game, you may not see me or the other two beside me, but you can expect the same ferocity and power. Welp... | ||
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Agent Smith
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