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doothegee
Profile Joined December 2009
Korea (South)3011 Posts
November 17 2011 06:12 GMT
#61
On November 17 2011 15:09 Zona wrote:
The biggest problem I had with a Bo7 format was that teams had to play their second stringers on a regular basis, leading to a proliferation of boring, mediocre games. My interest in watching BW did drop immensely as a result, and I don't think I'm alone in this respect.

I'm also really happy players don't have to prepare for as many as 2 PL matches a week anymore. That was f'n insane.

There aren't any teams that would need to play their B-team players any more with WeMade and MBC gone now, though. No more (Z)herO[jOin] in important matches. *shudder*

All the other teams seem to have a pretty solid starting 6, save for perhaps STX (Calm, Bogus, Classic, hero, Shuttle, Modesty?? That seems pretty decent to me.)
웅진 멘쓰즈
BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES51701 Posts
November 17 2011 06:12 GMT
#62
I'm not complaining it's still BW!
Brood War EICWoo Jung Ho, never forget.| Twitter: @BLinDRawR
hacklebeast
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5090 Posts
November 17 2011 06:12 GMT
#63
SNM, how do you know what the maps look like?
Protoss: Best, Paralyze, Jangbi, Nal_Ra || Terran: Oov, Boxer, Fantasy, Hiya|| Zerg: Yellow, Zero
blade55555
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States17423 Posts
November 17 2011 06:15 GMT
#64
Wow no ace makes me sad T_T. And no grand final is lame to :/.
When I think of something else, something will go here
Hyde
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
Australia14568 Posts
November 17 2011 06:15 GMT
#65
On November 17 2011 15:12 hacklebeast wrote:
SNM, how do you know what the maps look like?

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=12311919
Because when you left, Brood War was all spotlights and titans. Now, with the death of the big leagues, Brood War has moved to the basements and carparks. Now, Brood War is unlicensed brawls, lost teeth, and bloody fights for fistfulls of money - SirJolt
Hier
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
2391 Posts
November 17 2011 06:16 GMT
#66
Too many conflicting feelings. Bo7 with ace still gave more chances for newer players than Bo5 without ace. But I guess time constrictions were an issue for one studio. Also no grand finals? lol wut?
"But on a more serious note..." -everyone on this forum at some point.
Ciryandor
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States3735 Posts
November 17 2011 06:17 GMT
#67
On November 17 2011 15:12 hacklebeast wrote:
SNM, how do you know what the maps look like?

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=284827 Now properly updated with images!
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Zona
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
40426 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-17 06:19:08
November 17 2011 06:18 GMT
#68
BW did get downsized, but the league really went overboard in the last few years and oversaturated the schedule with matches. From what I can gather as a fan who doesn't know the Korean language, 2007 was the zenith of BW popularity in South Korea. I don't think it's complete coincidence to associate when BW's popularity peaked with Kespa later stuffing the calender with more and more games until we had the ridiculous 10 matches/week schedule.
"If you try responding to those absurd posts every day, you become more damaged. So I pay no attention to them at all." Jung Myung Hoon (aka Fantasy), as translated by Kimoleon
Onox
Profile Joined June 2011
United States1072 Posts
November 17 2011 06:18 GMT
#69
Don't like bo5 with no ace match, and I don't understand how there can be 2 winners, sounds dumb .
Nonetheless still very excited :D
Crisium
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States1618 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-17 06:19:46
November 17 2011 06:18 GMT
#70
It's basically two seasons per year, which is fine by me. It wouldn't have been before, but with the death of the MSL and less frequent OSL tournaments anymore, we need our tournament fix to come from somewhere. No Grand Finals really equalizes the two seasons instead of before when you were only kinda a winner and then lost in the real finals to be forgotten. Now teams can celebrate with their full hearts every 6 months, instead of every 12.
Broodwar and Stork forever! List of BW players with most Ro16, Ro8: http://tinyurl.com/BWRo16-Ro8
Ciryandor
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States3735 Posts
November 17 2011 06:22 GMT
#71
No ace match means teams will have to gamble on whether to save their big gun for Game 5 or go all in with by front-loading earlier games. A Bo7 no-ace would be IMO quite brutal but would expose the most players; I personally would have gone with that format.
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MountainDewJunkie
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States10347 Posts
November 17 2011 06:25 GMT
#72
On November 17 2011 15:12 BLinD-RawR wrote:
I'm not complaining it's still BW!

Probably the most appropriate response.

With less games, less teams, and less matches, every single set is now that much more significant. I expect a ridiculous surge of unorthodox strategies and cheeses this season. I think this season will be AWESOME!

BROOD WARRRRR
[21:07] <Shock710> whats wrong with her face [20:50] <dAPhREAk> i beat it the day after it came out | <BLinD-RawR> esports is a giant vagina
hmmm...
Profile Joined March 2011
632 Posts
November 17 2011 06:25 GMT
#73
the thing many netizens are complaining about is the fact that they are planning to broadcast on tues/wed at 4pm. who the hell is going to be available to watch proleague at 4pm? all students in korea, even elementary kids, go to cram schools after school and obviously, working adults can't watch either since they're still at work.
Crisium
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States1618 Posts
November 17 2011 06:26 GMT
#74
On November 17 2011 15:22 Ciryandor wrote:
No ace match means teams will have to gamble on whether to save their big gun for Game 5 or go all in with by front-loading earlier games.


I think we'll just see the coaches "play the maps". So depending on which map is number 5, you either get an anticlimactic S2 vs Soulkey final or a totally awesome Bisu vs ZerO final. It'll quite simply depend on the map order. I don't think coaches will save their top players for last if the map is not good for their race or play styles. The only exception would be Flash, who is god, and can be saved for any map in any matchup.
Broodwar and Stork forever! List of BW players with most Ro16, Ro8: http://tinyurl.com/BWRo16-Ro8
ArvickHero
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
10387 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-17 06:40:41
November 17 2011 06:29 GMT
#75
wow ugh I hate almost all these changes ... :\ If only MBCGame stayed ......

The more I think about it the more I get depressed .. seriously, 2 finals are fine to me if there's a GRAND final like they did before Playoff changes are fine, but there seems to be no plans about it at all.

Also WHY Bo5?! The number of teams have gotten smaller, the number of days PL being broadcasted had shrunk, and the amount of at-least-decent players on every team has increased! Hell, even community polls showed there was the most support for keeping the Bo7 format .. Bo7 was so much fun to watch and was so beneficial for the upcoming players, now there's even less incentive for rookies to keep playing BW :l

and THE REMOVAL OF ACE MATCH? I swear to god, that is one of the DEFINITIVE things about Proleague, how can they do this?!?!? This is probably the most serious offender of the list of terrible changes.

I was EXTREMELY pumped about PL, but now I'm just depressed as hell. I'll still watch, but all my excitement has been shot away ...
Writerptrk
Kiett
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States7639 Posts
November 17 2011 06:34 GMT
#76
On November 17 2011 15:25 hmmm... wrote:
the thing many netizens are complaining about is the fact that they are planning to broadcast on tues/wed at 4pm. who the hell is going to be available to watch proleague at 4pm? all students in korea, even elementary kids, go to cram schools after school and obviously, working adults can't watch either since they're still at work.


....Are you for real? I have class at exactly 4PM. Wooowwwwww. It's like OGN has learned nothing from broadcasting over 10 years worth of Starcraft.
Writer:o
Ideas
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
United States8180 Posts
November 17 2011 06:35 GMT
#77
won't judge new system until we get to experience it. Apparently the Bo5 format helps with making it more desirable for live audiences a lot more, so that can be really nice.
Free Palestine
hmmm...
Profile Joined March 2011
632 Posts
November 17 2011 06:37 GMT
#78
On November 17 2011 15:34 Kiett wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 17 2011 15:25 hmmm... wrote:
the thing many netizens are complaining about is the fact that they are planning to broadcast on tues/wed at 4pm. who the hell is going to be available to watch proleague at 4pm? all students in korea, even elementary kids, go to cram schools after school and obviously, working adults can't watch either since they're still at work.


....Are you for real? I have class at exactly 4PM. Wooowwwwww. It's like OGN has learned nothing from broadcasting over 10 years worth of Starcraft.


i know right? since they're only casting one game each on tues/wed, i don't see why they can't start later, like at 7...

if they were casting two games each day like on the weekends, i can understand the 4pm start but that isn't the case here.
J1.au
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Australia3596 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-17 06:40:17
November 17 2011 06:37 GMT
#79
What the hell is this...

PL has been ruined.
Rostam
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States2552 Posts
November 17 2011 06:40 GMT
#80
I can understand changing to bo5, even though I'd rather see bo7, but getting rid of ace matches really really sucks~. Ace matches are the best
BW forever || Thall
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