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johnnywup
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States3858 Posts
November 17 2011 05:34 GMT
#21
what does it mean by no grand final and having two winners? is it like 4 teams in 2 different proleague brackets?
sharkeyanti
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States1273 Posts
November 17 2011 05:34 GMT
#22
Not enough sponsorship for a Grand Final? I can't see why they'd eschew something that seems to draw the casual fans out of the woodwork. This is now like the Apertura/Clausura thing with South and Central American soccer/futbol. I'm sad to see the old ACE format gone, but I do prefer Bo5.

Does it mention whether coaches will submit player names ahead of the match (the PL system from before the match-fixing scandal) or will it remain in the moment?
Hi Mom
sharkeyanti
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States1273 Posts
November 17 2011 05:35 GMT
#23
On November 17 2011 14:34 johnnywup wrote:
what does it mean by no grand final and having two winners? is it like 4 teams in 2 different proleague brackets?


No, it's like they have two "semesters" per season. One team wins each semester.
Hi Mom
GTR
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
51497 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-17 05:38:16
November 17 2011 05:36 GMT
#24
There will be finals for each half of the season. It's basically reverted back to the format they used back in 2004 except Bo5 and with no split divisions (ala Mercury/Saturn).

edit: so we're back to the round 1/round 2 system aka 전기리그/후기리그
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johnnywup
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States3858 Posts
November 17 2011 05:38 GMT
#25
they should have the 2 "semester" winners face off at the end. if its the same team, they crown them champion of fucking everything
doothegee
Profile Joined December 2009
Korea (South)3011 Posts
November 17 2011 05:38 GMT
#26
No more winners' league T_T
웅진 멘쓰즈
Zona
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
40426 Posts
November 17 2011 05:39 GMT
#27
On November 17 2011 14:25 Kiett wrote:
T___T why Bo5, no Ace? I feel like that's actually going to make people less likely to stay until the end, if their favorite player (Flash, Jaedong, Bisu, etc.) has already played.

That's a damn good point.
"If you try responding to those absurd posts every day, you become more damaged. So I pay no attention to them at all." Jung Myung Hoon (aka Fantasy), as translated by Kimoleon
Black[CAT]
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Malaysia2589 Posts
November 17 2011 05:41 GMT
#28
Who the fuck came out with this format?!
You mean ESPORTS isnt a synonym for SC2? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ -Proud owner of a Filco Majestouch 2 with Cherry Blue Switches- BW or SC2? Why not both?
Motivate
Profile Joined June 2011
2860 Posts
November 17 2011 05:42 GMT
#29
why did they even bother asking people what they wanted if they're gonna pull something like this? -_-
endy
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Switzerland8970 Posts
November 17 2011 05:42 GMT
#30
What ? No Grand Finals ? I missed it in Shanghai because of that imaginary typhoon, so I promised myself I'd fly to Korea to see the next Grand Finals and they've just removed it ?

I guess it's ok because there are still playoffs finals.

And I guess it's really ok because all in all, the fucking Proleague is back yay ! SKT FIGHTING !

Thanks supernovamaniac !
ॐ
xxpack09
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States2160 Posts
November 17 2011 05:45 GMT
#31
wtf..... ace matches generate SO much excitement....

Bo7 w/ ACE >>>>>> Bo5 without
iLoveKT
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Philippines3615 Posts
November 17 2011 05:46 GMT
#32
On November 17 2011 14:45 xxpack09 wrote:
wtf..... ace matches generate SO much excitement....

Bo7 w/ ACE >>>>>> Bo5 without

its understandable though, they had to find a way to cut the broadcast time with only 1 broadcasting station at the same time give exposure to as many players as possible.
Woo Jung Ho
Doraemon
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
Australia14949 Posts
November 17 2011 05:47 GMT
#33
On November 17 2011 14:45 xxpack09 wrote:
wtf..... ace matches generate SO much excitement....

Bo7 w/ ACE >>>>>> Bo5 without


flash/kt is the biggest loser out of this format i reckon, no Ace and no WL
Do yourself a favour and just STFU
TwoToneTerran
Profile Joined March 2009
United States8841 Posts
November 17 2011 05:47 GMT
#34
I literally like none of these changes.
Remember Violet.
hmmm...
Profile Joined March 2011
632 Posts
November 17 2011 05:48 GMT
#35
noooooooooooo i'm going to miss bo7 ace matches so much

esp. when the curtains are rising as the two aces march forward behind blinding light while serenity - sheltered by the obscure is playing. damn.

Crisium
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States1618 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-17 05:57:01
November 17 2011 05:50 GMT
#36
Best of 5 is a terrible decision. With only 8 teams, the talent is really condensed. We go from a maximum possible of players per team from 6 (since Ace was always a repeat) down to 5. Furthermore, no Ace, so you cannot see your hero play twice.

This is, frankly, a poor decision that will hurt the long term growth since most games will only see 3-4 players per team. I know the fans complained about the length of matches, but I have a feeling the Bo5 format with only 8 teams will be the end of Broodwar. I'm quite serious. New talent will not play as much, and who wants to be a bench warmer and practice partner their whole career.

New talent has no chance. 3-5 players per match down from 4-6 is HUGE.

CJ has 6 big stars (Hydra, Effort, Movie, Horang, Snow, Leta). They can only even field 5 of them tops... there isn't room for the whole big boys let alone the developing talent. All the teams are like this now except ACE and STX.

Although the Bo5 from 2009-2010 ago only saw a max of 4 players, there were 12 teams so 12x4 = 48 max players per week. Now it is 8x5 = 40 max players (or 24 minimum). This is worse than 2 years ago.
Broodwar and Stork forever! List of BW players with most Ro16, Ro8: http://tinyurl.com/BWRo16-Ro8
bearbuddy
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
3442 Posts
November 17 2011 05:50 GMT
#37
Woah. Quite a bit of cutback.
Archers_bane
Profile Joined February 2011
United States1338 Posts
November 17 2011 05:50 GMT
#38
Ugh, I wanted Ace match for all the reasons above...mainly the possibility of being able to see the best of the best play twice (e.g Flash JD Bisu Stork..)

No grand final is so depressing too, its like taking away the superbowl ffs!

I also want Bo7 for more games , but I understand they would have trouble with the broadcasting..bah, but I still support them all the way! Go BW!
Starcraft's BW glory days have passed, RIP Jaedong's dominance - 2013...EDIT 2017: WE BACK BOYS
r3z3nd3
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
Brazil522 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-17 05:51:45
November 17 2011 05:51 GMT
#39
No Ace Match? FINALLY. That means a TEAM should be strong and not just one player. And I speak this sincerely, I am a Jaedong fan and a Oz fan, but I found extremely annoying a team like that reaching 08-09 finals just because of this ACE Match system.

No finals? You're kidding me right?
Born to fast expand
Eun_Star
Profile Joined April 2010
United States322 Posts
November 17 2011 05:54 GMT
#40
bo5? what was the vote for? i thought bo7 received the highest votes?
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