Why isn't it used more often? People often complain about T's lack of a late-game superweapon and I think that Vessels aren't getting the credit they deserve. No shields speedlots and goons just get absolutely raped by tanks faster than they can put out the damage required to break the push and carrier packs (which they're always in.. tight groups I mean), when brought to half life just aren't as good. Plus as a bonus you can use D-Matrix on forward tanks if they're getting pounded by Z's. >

I'm not a good T so I was just wondering why I never see it thx.

amat

United States1788 Posts

March 27 2003 04:28 GMT

Sci vess are expensive, and EMP has a small area of effect. This seems to discourage people from their usage.

The only player I've seen use EMP consistently is joe.smurf. He liked to EMP a Nexus and follow with a Nuke, and he used them effectively vs protoss troops.

Overall, they are expensive and take a bit of micro to use.

Liquid`Jinro

Sweden33719 Posts

March 27 2003 04:29 GMT

MMF+Tanks into mass vessel > all. I mean have you ever seen the havoc that 12 d matrixed tanks cause backed up by marines!?

FrozenArbiter

Legionnaire

Australia4514 Posts

March 27 2003 04:33 GMT

if you got enough SV and magic to make 12 d matrixed tanks, i'm guessing its not going to be able to do much vs there 12 stasis feilds.

NoNameLoser

United States1508 Posts

March 27 2003 04:34 GMT

Ive seen a havoc in vanilla caused by 24 dmatrixed marines. Not a preety sight.

0x64

Finland4536 Posts

March 27 2003 04:34 GMT

on bgh

?
No seriously, im so happy terran tend to lack gaz, vessel would be so much annoying..

ReTrooper

Germany526 Posts

March 27 2003 04:48 GMT

If terrans had too much gas they could just make tanks&bcs&gols cuz that is pretty much unstoppable.

Or lots of ghosts! *g*

C)R

Canada549 Posts

March 27 2003 05:03 GMT

feedback > vessel

suLTan[CaN]

Canada322 Posts

March 27 2003 05:18 GMT

who uses da's vs terran?

Pol

Poland1187 Posts

March 27 2003 05:23 GMT

#10

haha emp + nuclear

orca

Israel469 Posts

March 27 2003 05:36 GMT

#11

you didn't mention the fact that emp>templar

anyway, it's just usually much better to matrix than to emp.

Jar_Ly

Cuba133 Posts

March 27 2003 06:33 GMT

#12

EMP shockwave is very rare seen cuss is only used when terran gets m&m/tank, and that almost never happens. I've seen HellGhost and Elky doing that pretty good, but in fact it's a strat not much viable cause if toss stormsSkill is high..... FORGET ABOUT YOUR rines

It's very effective on the first minutes of the game when toss doesn't have templars (and terran doesn't have SCI Vessels), if you push hard with stimpack and build bunkers in the middle of the fight toss get's very pressured but Vessels take much time coming out and when they do you still have to wait for 100 mana to EMP some asses, toss gets PSI storm first and drives you back easily. In my opinion it may be very helpfull (weakes toss forces A LOT!!) but terrans often don't have time to upgrade weapons to Level 1 that grants him +3 to tanks on normal mode and +5 on siege and vultures +2 that are a very more important tech, what to expect with SCI vessels... I think it's cost effective, but not time effective.

NOTE: I still think mm/tank+SCI Vessels vs toss is a good strat.

Eliminator

Netherlands681 Posts

March 27 2003 06:36 GMT

#13

Why waste time on EMPing when u can also lay mines and build tanks?

animal

South Africa168 Posts

March 27 2003 06:40 GMT

#14

Science vessel in tvp should be for t what an arbiter is for p. (Unlike vs z where it's more like an ht). They can be very useful sometimes, but more often that's late in the game. Building them earlier won't be as helpful as more units. Same goes for arbiters.

But t users still don't play with them nearly enough vs p.

Casper...

Liberia4948 Posts

March 27 2003 07:28 GMT

#15

the missle is too slow and misses alot.

shiLyuK

United States8 Posts

March 27 2003 08:54 GMT

#16

Using EMP could be a factor of the outcome if used correctly...even if it's only one or two times used...EMP the temps or men and attack...most likely you'll win the battle...

A3iL3r0n

United States2196 Posts

March 27 2003 09:53 GMT

#17

In my limited experience, it seems like if you have enough money to makes SciVessels+EMP plus maintain enough tanks for a steady push you are already winning anyway.

DeathKilliaN

United States86 Posts

March 27 2003 14:59 GMT

#18

Sultan, I use da's vs rans who go vessel, or in late games vs
bc/tank(rare) Feedback is teh sexy.

Pafnucy

Poland1124 Posts

March 27 2003 16:22 GMT

#19

similar thing to ensnare, maelstorm - requires too much time to execute

SuperCod

United States337 Posts

March 27 2003 16:26 GMT

#20

amat, you are an idiot
"JOE.SMURF IS MY GOD"
your experience is obviously limited to playing in small channels, never meeting anybody good, skilled, or significant or from any decent guilds, etc.

thank you for shutting up in advance
and DeathKilliaN dont make anymore of an idiot out of yourself than you already have