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Seeker *
Profile Blog Joined April 2005
Where dat snitch at?37023 Posts
November 07 2011 07:17 GMT
#101
NOOOOO DON'T RETIRE!!!!

If worst comes to shove, they should just transition to SC2. Their situation is so sad!! :[
ModeratorPeople ask me, "Seeker, what are you seeking?" My answer? "Sleep, damn it! Always sleep!"
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Telcontar
Profile Joined May 2010
United Kingdom16710 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-07 07:21:36
November 07 2011 07:19 GMT
#102
Legatus has a valid point, it was just worded harshly. When MJ switched to baseball, I didn't really follow up on him. However, if he was doing well, I would certainly feel happy for him because I like the guy. Saying someone is dead to you is a pretty extreme thing to say. If Hiya won like 6 GSLs in a row after switching to SC2, would you not feel ANYTHING for him? Not even a 'good on him'? If so, then I guess you are right in using that phrase.

Anywho, I wish Anytime all the luck in the world in finding a new home or another path in life.
Et Eärello Endorenna utúlien. Sinome maruvan ar Hildinyar tenn' Ambar-metta.
JIJIyO
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Canada1957 Posts
November 07 2011 07:26 GMT
#103
I agree with Legatus 100%. Despite his phrasing and presentation of his thoughts, I totally agree with the idea of it. I love July, Nada, Boxer, etc. Always wanted them to succeed when playing SC. When they play sc2? I don't really care how they place in tournaments and whatnot. If they were the best player or the worst player on earth doesn't concern me. Of course because of my attachment to them I would want them to make money and whatnot, but in the end it's not the game I love. I LOVE Jaedong. If he went to do something else, of course I would kind of keep tabs on him, but ultimately it wouldn't be the same.

It's really hard to express my thoughts on this and I might even contradict myself due to my wording, but you get the general idea.

Hope all of these guys find jobs within SC. Anytime, my favourite protoss, better not leave me T_T
KT_Violet
JohnnyPG
Profile Joined October 2011
United States39 Posts
November 07 2011 07:29 GMT
#104
On November 07 2011 16:05 endy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 07 2011 14:59 JohnnyPG wrote:
Ok, since that is all over, I simply have to ask this question, and I am NOT trolling or attempting to start a flame war by doing this....

But what is it with all the hate that Starcraft 2 gets from all of the BW fans???

Yes, the players in BW had to have 300 + APM, but that was a necessity, due to a sloppy interface/AI pathing system, while it showed great skill and definitely increased the skill ceiling, it certainly doesnt make the game all that more entertaining to watch (strictly my opinion there, you cant "see" them performing all of the tedious macro/pathing executions)

Yes, BW was/is/will always be a fucking LEGEND, AMAZING games with AMAZING players....But its old....Very very old.

SC2 has an immediate spectator advantage, the graphics are gorgeous, and its able to be filmed in full HD. The computers they play BW on is equivalent to making toast with the exhaust of a launching rocket ship, the game is just straight out old and outdated graphically.

BW is almost strictly in Korea, and Korea was always the most dominate by a landslide, which is cool and everything, but seeing the same names...same faces....same strategies...That have been executed for years...come on, eventually old has to give way for new in that regard. SC2 is all over the world, and because it is such a new game, the potential is virtually unlimited, considering it will change drastically with every new expansion, we have YEARS AND YEARS of new and exciting faces and strategy :D :D How could any true SC fan NOT be stoked over that???

And BW is just, kind of limping along at this point, from a business standpoint it completely makes sense, sponsors are seeing the massive potential for growth in SC2, and are wanting to invest in something that is up and coming, not something that will eventually be a ghost of the past, its all about the money, and while there is still formidable amounts of money for the tip...tip...tip top players in BW, I cant see any new comers going to the scene, and neither do the sponsors, its just financially unsound to invest in BW when you can invest in something that is catching the E-Sports scene on fire worldwide.

This is ALL just my opinion, please dont flame me, but this is how I see it, and just answer me, what is with all of the animosity towards SC2 from BW fans???

I am sorry if this made anyone mad by the way.


Because we have people like you telling us that the game we love is limping and its graphics suck (which is really unrelated to the thread by the way). Sorry for writing such a short answer, but it's as simple as that.

I don't have a natural animosity against SC2 players, but after your post that was totally out of topic, only to tell us our game is outdated, your only argument being that it's "old, very very old", I do have animosity against you.

Obviously, when some people from SC2 who didn't know Brood War much if at all, and are curious about it we are more than glad to welcome them : http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=280281


I asked for no flames and did not mean offense, and alas, there is one, maybe you missed the parts where I said I BW is hands down no questions asked an amazing game that will always be considered legendary amongst the RTS.

And if you are trying to argue that it isnt outdated and that it isnt very old....lmfao.

And saying its limping along after freaking 12 years is a compliment if anything, 12 years for the game to finally start dying out? My god, in that light BW looks like (and is in my opinion) a fucking masterpiece!! hahaha

Thanks for all the intelligent responses everyone :D

And to you endy....you sound awful mad bro.
MOAR MARINES!!!
Thurokiir
Profile Joined June 2010
United States779 Posts
November 07 2011 07:31 GMT
#105
On November 07 2011 12:20 NationInArms wrote:
We must keep HiyA in BW!

So he can make no money and be kept on bench with few opportunities for stage time? Not a good way to live.
Tahts halo dont worry
Mindcrime
Profile Joined July 2004
United States6899 Posts
November 07 2011 07:32 GMT
#106
On November 07 2011 16:29 JohnnyPG wrote:
And if you are trying to argue that it isnt outdated and that it isnt very old....lmfao.


"outdated"?

And you want to know why there is "hate"? really?
That wasn't any act of God. That was an act of pure human fuckery.
Gamegene
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States8308 Posts
November 07 2011 07:35 GMT
#107
why is it that people have this special need to celebrate a player's switch to SC2, and then bash on the game in the fucking BW forum? you'd think people would be more tactful.

"everyone is entitled to their own opinions" is not an good excuse for being a jackass.
Throw on your favorite jacket and you're good to roll. Stroll through the trees and let your miseries go.
BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES50118 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-07 08:02:34
November 07 2011 07:36 GMT
#108
On November 07 2011 16:26 JIJIyO wrote:
I agree with Legatus 100%. Despite his phrasing and presentation of his thoughts, I totally agree with the idea of it. I love July, Nada, Boxer, etc. Always wanted them to succeed when playing SC. When they play sc2? I don't really care how they place in tournaments and whatnot. If they were the best player or the worst player on earth doesn't concern me. Of course because of my attachment to them I would want them to make money and whatnot, but in the end it's not the game I love. I LOVE Jaedong. If he went to do something else, of course I would kind of keep tabs on him, but ultimately it wouldn't be the same.

It's really hard to express my thoughts on this and I might even contradict myself due to my wording, but you get the general idea.

Hope all of these guys find jobs within SC. Anytime, my favourite protoss, better not leave me T_T


if you read my posts you will also see myself contradicting too,yeah I get it maybe its only because of the fact that I do watch SC2 from time to time(lack of PL) that I've not lost any sense of attachment,but the way he put it out is so damn wrong and since I don't know this person at all it makes it hard to know what he thinks,but judging from what his responses are he is trying to say something like "if you don't play BW anymore, you don't exist".

note to self:never engage in a pointless debate on a pointless topic where there is nothing at stake.
Brood War EICWoo Jung Ho, never forget.| Twitter: @BLinDRawR
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konadora *
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Singapore66158 Posts
November 07 2011 07:42 GMT
#109
holy SHIT, people

please get your SC2 vs BW discussion, who likes who by how much and all that nonsense out of this thread
POGGERS
matjlav
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Germany2435 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-07 07:45:30
November 07 2011 07:42 GMT
#110
I wonder how Sang, Speed, and Ryul2 got selected to get put on the 8th team, while players like Hiya, Hyun, Shine, Ruby, and Midas got left in the dust. I really hope that those five players can find a way to stay in BW as I quite like all of them :/

Also going to miss Lomo, though it was pretty obvious that he was very unlikely to perform well ever again.
rasers
Profile Joined February 2010
Sweden691 Posts
November 07 2011 07:45 GMT
#111
On November 07 2011 16:36 BLinD-RawR wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 07 2011 16:26 JIJIyO wrote:
I agree with Legatus 100%. Despite his phrasing and presentation of his thoughts, I totally agree with the idea of it. I love July, Nada, Boxer, etc. Always wanted them to succeed when playing SC. When they play sc2? I don't really care how they place in tournaments and whatnot. If they were the best player or the worst player on earth doesn't concern me. Of course because of my attachment to them I would want them to make money and whatnot, but in the end it's not the game I love. I LOVE Jaedong. If he went to do something else, of course I would kind of keep tabs on him, but ultimately it wouldn't be the same.

It's really hard to express my thoughts on this and I might even contradict myself due to my wording, but you get the general idea.

Hope all of these guys find jobs within SC. Anytime, my favourite protoss, better not leave me T_T


if you read my posts you will also see myself contradicting too,yeah I get it maybe its only because of the fact that I do watch SC2 from time to time(lack of PL) that I've not lost any sense of attachment,but the way he put it out is so damn wrong and since I don't know this person at all it makes it hard to know what he thinks,but judging from what his responses are he is trying to say something like "if you don't play BW anymore, you don't exist".

and whats wrong with that? if hiya stops playing BW and switches over to SC2 he wont exist for this guy since he wont watch it...
Ideas
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
United States8091 Posts
November 07 2011 07:47 GMT
#112
On November 07 2011 16:42 matjlav wrote:
I wonder how Sang, Speed, and Ryul2 got selected to get put on the 8th team, while players like Hiya, Hyun, Shine, Ruby, and Midas got left in the dust. I really hope that those five players can find a way to stay in BW as I quite like all of them :/

Also going to miss Lomo, though it was pretty obvious that he was very unlikely to perform well ever again.


they probably had such a small salary/unknown reputation that they could afford to keep them on the kespa team and no other teams would be interested in bidding for them. the kespa team wont be successful without more practice partners. that's why it's important that they form a proper B-team for kespa (as well as more A-teamers) ASAP.
Free Palestine
BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES50118 Posts
November 07 2011 07:48 GMT
#113
On November 07 2011 16:42 matjlav wrote:
I wonder how Sang, Speed, and Ryul2 got selected to get put on the 8th team, while players like Hiya, Hyun, Shine, Ruby, and Midas got left in the dust. I really hope that those five players can find a way to stay in BW as I quite like all of them :/


I want to know too, my first thought was money but everyone except Jaedong got a pay raise so thats obviously not the case because then instead of giving a raise they could have gotten a few more players.

I think its because they needed to have some mandatory 3 rookies on the team.
Brood War EICWoo Jung Ho, never forget.| Twitter: @BLinDRawR
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Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
November 07 2011 07:50 GMT
#114
The only game I remember of Hiya playing is the one which he made FBH cry. He really isn't very memorable - despite being one of the most talented out of the leftovers list.
https://twitter.com/SufficientStats
Ryo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
8787 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-07 07:56:10
November 07 2011 07:52 GMT
#115
On November 07 2011 16:42 matjlav wrote:
I wonder how Sang, Speed, and Ryul2 got selected to get put on the 8th team, while players like Hiya, Hyun, Shine, Ruby, and Midas got left in the dust. I really hope that those five players can find a way to stay in BW as I quite like all of them :/

Also going to miss Lomo, though it was pretty obvious that he was very unlikely to perform well ever again.

On November 07 2011 16:48 BLinD-RawR wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 07 2011 16:42 matjlav wrote:
I wonder how Sang, Speed, and Ryul2 got selected to get put on the 8th team, while players like Hiya, Hyun, Shine, Ruby, and Midas got left in the dust. I really hope that those five players can find a way to stay in BW as I quite like all of them :/


I want to know too, my first thought was money but everyone except Jaedong got a pay raise so thats obviously not the case because then instead of giving a raise they could have gotten a few more players.

I think its because they needed to have some mandatory 3 rookies on the team.

They wanted to select 3 rookies after the 6 protected players they already had. Han Sang Yong (former head coach of Oz) who now coaches the Dream Team, thinks highly of Ryul2 and Speed (former Oz players) so that's why they were recruited even though they have not played any PL games. As for Sang, his record is quite good, 2 wins 3 losses in PL and a Bo3 win over Light in the OSL prelims. Also, you can't have Jae Ssang (Jaedong + Jaehoon) without (P)Jae Sang.

Edit:
It's often been said though that Sang is a lucky guy. Which is quite true since he's 1 of only 4 MBC players to find a new team.
영원히 엠비씨게임 히어로 팬.
BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES50118 Posts
November 07 2011 07:56 GMT
#116
On November 07 2011 16:52 Ryo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 07 2011 16:42 matjlav wrote:
I wonder how Sang, Speed, and Ryul2 got selected to get put on the 8th team, while players like Hiya, Hyun, Shine, Ruby, and Midas got left in the dust. I really hope that those five players can find a way to stay in BW as I quite like all of them :/

Also going to miss Lomo, though it was pretty obvious that he was very unlikely to perform well ever again.

Show nested quote +
On November 07 2011 16:48 BLinD-RawR wrote:
On November 07 2011 16:42 matjlav wrote:
I wonder how Sang, Speed, and Ryul2 got selected to get put on the 8th team, while players like Hiya, Hyun, Shine, Ruby, and Midas got left in the dust. I really hope that those five players can find a way to stay in BW as I quite like all of them :/


I want to know too, my first thought was money but everyone except Jaedong got a pay raise so thats obviously not the case because then instead of giving a raise they could have gotten a few more players.

I think its because they needed to have some mandatory 3 rookies on the team.

They wanted to select 3 rookies after the 6 protected players they already had. Han Sang Yong (former head coach of Oz) who now coaches the Dream Team, thinks highly of Ryul2 and Speed (former Oz players) so that's why they were recruited even though they have not played any PL games. As for Sang, his record is quite good, 2 wins 3 losses in PL and a Bo3 win over Light in the OSL prelims. Also, you can't have Jae Ssang (Jaedong + Jaehoon) without (P)Jae Sang.

Edit:
It's often been said though that Sang is a lucky guy. Which is quite true since he's 1 of only 4 MBC players to find a new team.

LOOL Wordplay.
Brood War EICWoo Jung Ho, never forget.| Twitter: @BLinDRawR
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epi
Profile Joined January 2010
Canada115 Posts
November 07 2011 08:04 GMT
#117
It's strange that nobody's signed Hiya yet. Woongjin should be salivating at the chance to replace Really with someone who is arguably better in all respects. STX could use a Terran to back up Bogus, and Khan's lineup of Turn, Reality and Sharp is pretty much inferior to Hiya all around. Honestly, even SKT could put him to good use; the only other Terran backing up Fantasy is Ssak.
johnnywup
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States3858 Posts
November 07 2011 08:08 GMT
#118
On November 07 2011 16:29 JohnnyPG wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 07 2011 16:05 endy wrote:
On November 07 2011 14:59 JohnnyPG wrote:
Ok, since that is all over, I simply have to ask this question, and I am NOT trolling or attempting to start a flame war by doing this....

But what is it with all the hate that Starcraft 2 gets from all of the BW fans???

Yes, the players in BW had to have 300 + APM, but that was a necessity, due to a sloppy interface/AI pathing system, while it showed great skill and definitely increased the skill ceiling, it certainly doesnt make the game all that more entertaining to watch (strictly my opinion there, you cant "see" them performing all of the tedious macro/pathing executions)

Yes, BW was/is/will always be a fucking LEGEND, AMAZING games with AMAZING players....But its old....Very very old.

SC2 has an immediate spectator advantage, the graphics are gorgeous, and its able to be filmed in full HD. The computers they play BW on is equivalent to making toast with the exhaust of a launching rocket ship, the game is just straight out old and outdated graphically.

BW is almost strictly in Korea, and Korea was always the most dominate by a landslide, which is cool and everything, but seeing the same names...same faces....same strategies...That have been executed for years...come on, eventually old has to give way for new in that regard. SC2 is all over the world, and because it is such a new game, the potential is virtually unlimited, considering it will change drastically with every new expansion, we have YEARS AND YEARS of new and exciting faces and strategy :D :D How could any true SC fan NOT be stoked over that???

And BW is just, kind of limping along at this point, from a business standpoint it completely makes sense, sponsors are seeing the massive potential for growth in SC2, and are wanting to invest in something that is up and coming, not something that will eventually be a ghost of the past, its all about the money, and while there is still formidable amounts of money for the tip...tip...tip top players in BW, I cant see any new comers going to the scene, and neither do the sponsors, its just financially unsound to invest in BW when you can invest in something that is catching the E-Sports scene on fire worldwide.

This is ALL just my opinion, please dont flame me, but this is how I see it, and just answer me, what is with all of the animosity towards SC2 from BW fans???

I am sorry if this made anyone mad by the way.


Because we have people like you telling us that the game we love is limping and its graphics suck (which is really unrelated to the thread by the way). Sorry for writing such a short answer, but it's as simple as that.

I don't have a natural animosity against SC2 players, but after your post that was totally out of topic, only to tell us our game is outdated, your only argument being that it's "old, very very old", I do have animosity against you.

Obviously, when some people from SC2 who didn't know Brood War much if at all, and are curious about it we are more than glad to welcome them : http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=280281


I asked for no flames and did not mean offense, and alas, there is one, maybe you missed the parts where I said I BW is hands down no questions asked an amazing game that will always be considered legendary amongst the RTS.

And if you are trying to argue that it isnt outdated and that it isnt very old....lmfao.

And saying its limping along after freaking 12 years is a compliment if anything, 12 years for the game to finally start dying out? My god, in that light BW looks like (and is in my opinion) a fucking masterpiece!! hahaha

Thanks for all the intelligent responses everyone :D

And to you endy....you sound awful mad bro.



i'm mainly into sc2 but once I was introduced to BW from sc2 I've been following BW as much as sc2 and I can tell you that you're just flat out wrong..BW really is an amazing game and the graphics aren't /that/ bad if you just know what you're looking at...but seriously, you're acting like an idiot telling people what or what isn't good/bad. The game isn't outdated, it's still being played professionally. you probably haven't watched a game of professional brood war in your life. get to know the game before you hate on it.
endy
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Switzerland8970 Posts
November 07 2011 08:09 GMT
#119
On November 07 2011 16:29 JohnnyPG wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 07 2011 16:05 endy wrote:
On November 07 2011 14:59 JohnnyPG wrote:
Ok, since that is all over, I simply have to ask this question, and I am NOT trolling or attempting to start a flame war by doing this....

But what is it with all the hate that Starcraft 2 gets from all of the BW fans???

Yes, the players in BW had to have 300 + APM, but that was a necessity, due to a sloppy interface/AI pathing system, while it showed great skill and definitely increased the skill ceiling, it certainly doesnt make the game all that more entertaining to watch (strictly my opinion there, you cant "see" them performing all of the tedious macro/pathing executions)

Yes, BW was/is/will always be a fucking LEGEND, AMAZING games with AMAZING players....But its old....Very very old.

SC2 has an immediate spectator advantage, the graphics are gorgeous, and its able to be filmed in full HD. The computers they play BW on is equivalent to making toast with the exhaust of a launching rocket ship, the game is just straight out old and outdated graphically.

BW is almost strictly in Korea, and Korea was always the most dominate by a landslide, which is cool and everything, but seeing the same names...same faces....same strategies...That have been executed for years...come on, eventually old has to give way for new in that regard. SC2 is all over the world, and because it is such a new game, the potential is virtually unlimited, considering it will change drastically with every new expansion, we have YEARS AND YEARS of new and exciting faces and strategy :D :D How could any true SC fan NOT be stoked over that???

And BW is just, kind of limping along at this point, from a business standpoint it completely makes sense, sponsors are seeing the massive potential for growth in SC2, and are wanting to invest in something that is up and coming, not something that will eventually be a ghost of the past, its all about the money, and while there is still formidable amounts of money for the tip...tip...tip top players in BW, I cant see any new comers going to the scene, and neither do the sponsors, its just financially unsound to invest in BW when you can invest in something that is catching the E-Sports scene on fire worldwide.

This is ALL just my opinion, please dont flame me, but this is how I see it, and just answer me, what is with all of the animosity towards SC2 from BW fans???

I am sorry if this made anyone mad by the way.


Because we have people like you telling us that the game we love is limping and its graphics suck (which is really unrelated to the thread by the way). Sorry for writing such a short answer, but it's as simple as that.

I don't have a natural animosity against SC2 players, but after your post that was totally out of topic, only to tell us our game is outdated, your only argument being that it's "old, very very old", I do have animosity against you.

Obviously, when some people from SC2 who didn't know Brood War much if at all, and are curious about it we are more than glad to welcome them : http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=280281


I asked for no flames and did not mean offense, and alas, there is one, maybe you missed the parts where I said I BW is hands down no questions asked an amazing game that will always be considered legendary amongst the RTS.

And if you are trying to argue that it isnt outdated and that it isnt very old....lmfao.

And saying its limping along after freaking 12 years is a compliment if anything, 12 years for the game to finally start dying out? My god, in that light BW looks like (and is in my opinion) a fucking masterpiece!! hahaha

Thanks for all the intelligent responses everyone :D

And to you endy....you sound awful mad bro.


You can't post something totally out of topic and simply ask "I don't want to be flamed".

It's not because you said at the beginning of your post that BW was a legendary game that you can write bullshit right after.
Your logic is flawed. I never tried to argue the game wasn't old. What I said is that your only argument was "very old => outdated", which simply doesn't make sense. Is football outdated just because it's over a century old ?

You mentioned graphics ? This is highly subjective. Most people in this thread do prefer BW graphics over SC2 graphics.

Oh after re-reading your post, the only other thing you put forward to try to convince us the game is outdated is
seeing the same names...same faces....same strategies...That have been executed for years...come on, eventually old has to give way for new in that regard.

which is simply ignorant. There are new players, there are new maps, we have new strategies as well as metagame shifts very often. Or when there aren't new players, we have old players who were slumping and came out of nowhere to win an OSL. Every BW fan here will agree that Jangbi's path to victory last OSL was breathtaking. Who are you to tell us what we should like ?

If you have more convincing arguments in store, please do send me a PM as I don't want to derail this thread further.

ॐ
Kiett
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States7639 Posts
November 07 2011 08:10 GMT
#120
On November 07 2011 16:50 Sufficiency wrote:
The only game I remember of Hiya playing is the one which he made FBH cry. He really isn't very memorable - despite being one of the most talented out of the leftovers list.


Not... memorable?

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No but really. Go watch Hiya vs. Boxer (you've got to know that one), or Stork vs. Hiya from Bacchus '10. That was a really fun series. And also why I think Hiya should go to Khan. He and Stork could just be dorks together all day <3
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