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I'm just wondering, but why is this being cast in such a detrimental light towards testie? What if we phrased it like this:
Testie knew he would have to leave soon, and had been playing for several days straight without going out. He told Oxygen at the beginning of the tournament that he would have to go soon, but it was decided that the tournament should proceed anyway. As he said, Testie soon had to leave. Realizing that he was off of his game anyway today, Testie decided to forfeit the match and give the money to Ret, conceding.
Now I know that testie has a hard time losing, and doesn't like admitting defeat even when he's just having a rough day, but I think its unfortunate how people treat him in the folder. Reading the chat transcript, it sounds like he was being pretty rational and not horribly ill-mannered. I just feel like if another player with better social skills was having an off day and conceded a tournament because he had to leave, no one would say anything. It's not as if he is claiming that he deserved the money or something. He just said the tournament was less important to him than getting out of the house and to retain relationships he thinks are important. I personally am going to continue loving the way Testie plays while regretting some of his personal choices.
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I thought the same thing as you bine. But the fact is alot of people put alot of time and effort into this tournament. And after all and all, there wasn't even really a final. It was selfish of testie.
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you need to learn your history
this is not the first time that this type of thing has happened, testie is a bad mannered, egotistical, and self-aggrandizing asshole who above all is a CHEATER.
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bine: I tried looking at it from this point of view. Before posting this, I asked people - should I? I'd search myself and feel a few seconds of compassion. All those years of loving that style -- but then, that lingering feeling of bitterness keeps coming back.
He said that he wouldn't be able play - had that been two days before the match, or even a day before, I'd've gotten online and been able to reorganize this shit. But, Nick told me about ten minutes before the tournament started, the left, and only answered to me when I got him on MSN. People in the channel are pissed, because things are not going as planned, they're there wasting their time, and everyone is feeling annoyed.
I just feel like if another player with better social skills was having an off day and conceded a tournament because he had to leave, no one would say anything.
Hm, I don't think it's about social skills. It's about the consequences of your actions and how they affect others. It's also about thinking about others, neither of which Nick did.
As for the people saying that Testie should be banned from TLT, I think that's completely unnecessary. This is just an explanation to those regarding the outcome of the TANL. I have just lost >my< respect for Nick.
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bine, you would think differently if you saw any in game text from testie.
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testie is not better than ret ;d
if testie randoms he can win about half the time or maybe a bit more, but if he plays ret tvz ret would destroy him ;o
or testie as z ret as t ;d
or testie as NON random p ret as z ;d
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Again, I know all that. I've heard it like 230498238203582935 times commented in everything testie does. I agree that he's egotistical, but I feel like alot of it is overly-hyped. Everytime he says he thinks he's good, as all Pros do, for example, people are like WTF BM and its just frustrating to watch. I definitely agree it was wrong of him to forfeit the tournament, and I would have loved to have seen the whole series, but about the cheating thing, my understanding is that he was caught cheating a few times a while ago. Plus, I think its important to remember that on a normal day testie can, and has, beaten ret. Not to discount him, but testie is better. I guess I just feel like sure, its an unpleasant happening, and testie is definitely selfish, but some of the insults people post about him are out of hand. I don't think its fair to list reason why he's mentally disturbed, for example.
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people are like "WTF BM"
because testie is BAD MANNERED
do you not understand that he was a HACKER, and not just once, testie hacked for YEARS
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he had shit to do
it's not like you fucks paid him money to appear and play x games
chilllllllllll
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I guess I just feel like sure, its an unpleasant happening, and testie is definitely selfish, but some of the insults people post about him are out of hand. I don't think its fair to list reason why he's mentally disturbed, for example.
I can agree with that.
I do not think Testie hacks.
edit: yeah, casper, I did. he had fifty easy bucks. all he had to do was show.
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At least I got to listen to Response's sexy TeamSpeak shoutcast...!
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USA29055 Posts
guys wanna hear a funny thing i jus realized? Zia isnt posting here in his defense like she does in every other thread ~_~ Zia is intelligent, picks her battles ^^,
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By the way, Control - I forgot to mention it, but what you posted does mean a lot to me. Thanks.
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On April 30 2005 18:01 bine wrote:
I'm just wondering, but why is this being cast in such a detrimental light towards testie? What if we phrased it like this:
Testie knew he would have to leave soon, and had been playing for several days straight without going out. He told Oxygen at the beginning of the tournament that he would have to go soon, but it was decided that the tournament should proceed anyway. As he said, Testie soon had to leave. Realizing that he was off of his game anyway today, Testie decided to forfeit the match and give the money to Ret, conceding.
Now I know that testie has a hard time losing, and doesn't like admitting defeat even when he's just having a rough day, but I think its unfortunate how people treat him in the folder. Reading the chat transcript, it sounds like he was being pretty rational and not horribly ill-mannered. I just feel like if another player with better social skills was having an off day and conceded a tournament because he had to leave, no one would say anything. It's not as if he is claiming that he deserved the money or something. He just said the tournament was less important to him than getting out of the house and to retain relationships he thinks are important. I personally am going to continue loving the way Testie plays while regretting some of his personal choices.
Testie: lol
Testie: i have to go play opker with my boss
Testie: i haven't been outside
Testie: with friends in ages =p
Testie: i wanna get to know people again ? ;p
Testie: it's important to me =p
Testie: you may not understand and think it's trivial =p
Testie: but whatever give ret the prize
Testie: i don't even want to play that newbie
thats why your theory doesnt work =|
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^ If that chat was after the whole incident on bnet, I believe he said that because he got mad after ret said something like "good job testie taking a leave when the games count gg" (don't remember the exact quote).
Any ways, my thoughts are that what Testie did wasn't right at all. Like it has been said earlier, I would understand if Testie would've told Oxy a day or two earlier instead of ten minutes earlier. Though I do recall Testie saying he would continue it later or tomorrow (though that would be wasting the time of all the people who had gathered there, were shoutcasting, etc...)
I agree with what someone said earlier (I believe it was Manablue), that Testie probably felt his play wasn't at his best today and decided to take his leave. I can totally see why this was a screwed up thing to do after Oxy worked very hard and did a good job with the tournament.
Overall, this was a great tournament with what could've been a great final... Too bad  .... TANL2 should be good ^_^...
Also, people who are saying Testie should be banned from TLT and saying he hacks should stop making such ridiculous posts.
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Austin10831 Posts
On April 30 2005 18:57 Casper... wrote:
he had shit to do
it's not like you fucks paid him money to appear and play x games
chilllllllllll
Oxy paid his entrance fee? Sounds to me like that's exactly what happened.
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Austin10831 Posts
BTW, anyone else think ret is fucking awesome? :O
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On April 30 2005 20:55 BroOd wrote:
BTW, anyone else think ret is fucking awesome? :O
i think ret is great, very mannered
i posted in here that i needed someone to help me practice my tvz, and guess who the only person who messaged me was? ret.
before that i had just started to get a feel for how good ret's play was after being directed to the F2F ret vs sen for help with tvz build orders. i was amazed someone as good as him would take time out to play with a newb like me.
right before we played, i said, ret i'm rooting for you for TLT, don't disappoint me, and you know what he responded? not thanks, or i'll try my best, or i have a good shot, he said something along the lines of "i dont think i can, i'm not good enough to win consistently, there are really good players there that can take it" even though i KNOW that right now, in the shape he's in, Ret could very well be #1 non-kor.
what impresses me most about ret is that he's one of few players who do not follow the typical inverse relation between manner and skill
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wow...........i don't have much experience with nonkorean (or korean for that matter) players................................but everything that I've heard about him has been negative. He seems like a real jackass......he's the kinda guy who gives Europe an ACTUAL reason to hate us...............
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