Today, WeMade Entertainment announced that they will no longer be operating their progaming team, FOX, at August 31st.
WeMade expanded into e-Sports in 2007, when they had expanded their operations as they added other operations. However, at the end of last year, the company had decided to concentrate on their original goal of developing games.
While they had tried to find solutions, including the possible sale of the team, but as selling the team had become difficult, they had to make the difficult decision of ceasing operation of the WeMade Fox Progaming Team.
This decision applies to all the teams operated by WeMade, not just BW, but SC2/WC3 also.
Addendum: DES reports that the WeMade has asked KeSPA to manage the Brood War team. This means either find a new sponsor for the team, or to do what they had done with ESTRO last year -- meaning, have them be drafted into other teams through a bidding war.
Addendum 2: DES further reports that it is still not clear where Lyn, Moon, and Soccer would go, and WeMade will be meeting with them on the 23rd to discuss their future plans.
This extends to all gaming teams I would believe, oh Milkis edited the op oh well Midas, Baby, Mind, TT Where is Rock going to go when he comes back from ACE? D= Wait, what if a sponsor swoops in and saves the day?
On August 22 2011 11:17 Darthozzan wrote: Sad to see this happen. I wonder what this means for F. United? No more foreigners in GSTL? >_< Oh well, all good things come to an end...
i think that was short term only anyways as thorzain was planning to go home atleast, and im guessing fenix aswell.
Lame. First MBCgame, now WMF. Maybe the two teams can join together like Sparkyz and Entus did? There has to be some company that would sponsor a team with Baby, Sea and Mind.
Moon to OGS please!! >_< They need more good zergs (outside of Zenio), and an old school progamer like him should fit in the 'old generations' culture imo~
ugh..This is so depressing.. First MBC, now this.. MBC still isn't confirmed but I think most people have to assume it will be soon.. ㅜㅜ... This is not good for starcraft 2, so before everyone says that, and destroys this thread, please take the time to read. This is not good for eSports, bw and sc2 alike... This has been rumored for a month or two now that wemadefox was in it's final stages.. It's so sad to see it actually happen.
I know about this for some time now, but wasn`t allowed to tell anyone. Money is tight and so they had to fire the Teamorga WMF.Paul some month ago and at that point it already was unsure if the esports division would survive. Sadly it didn`t work out. Where might the players end?
Ugh, my heart just sank hard after reading this news. Quite depressing, especially after hearing about how well the Proleague finals did on TV. Coupled with the troubles over at MBCGame, the recent news about the Korean BW scene is depressing, especially considering how many great players and fans the scene has. Although I believe that it will take many more disasters over many more years to fully demolish the Korean BW scene, n like this is always sad.
However, I'm highly interested to see where the players will go after the disbanding. F. United will probably operate until they're done with GSTL, as they always seemed to be a short-term, scrappy coalition of foreigners and WC3 hybrids. I expect most of their BW players to be drafted onto other BW teams, similar to what happened with Estro's players. There is a likely possibility that a few may switch to SC2, but it'll take some time for them to acclimate themselves before making an impact in competitions.
Alas, it is sad to see the team of Nada, Moon, and BaBy finally close its doors. I wonder what will happen to their very nice team house, as it would be a shame if it were to also shut its doors for good.
On August 22 2011 11:31 Ciryandor wrote: Also, BaBy, herO[jOin], Major, Midas, Mind, Pure, RorO, Shine, and Wooki all without teams. D:
Thats not really a problem. The ones that don't want to retire/transition will surely get offers. Its more about being down to 9 teams now from 12 2 years ago.
Really sad WeMade had great teams in a great environment...too bad they succumbed.
I want Midas/Baby and ZerO in Oz somehow though. A solid ZvPer would be awesome and those Ts will make sure nobody ever loses in the early/midgame ever again in Oz lols.
NOOOOOOO!!! I've spent years supporting them despite their mediocre performances in Proleague. When Mind won the MSL over Bisu, I felt such a sense of accomplishment and have felt the same hope for players like Shine, Pure, Roro, and Baby. Such a shame that they have to disband now :o(.
It just feels like the teams are going to start disbanding one after the other... there's been only a couple so far, or was there another besides Fox and eSTRO? I hope this doesn't become a trend.
This was leaked a few days ago wasn't it? Someone made mention that the SC2/WC3 squad were being let go, although I can't remember it mentioning BW. This isn't a sign BW is dying.. their whole organisation is pulling out of every E-Sport. Someone will likely pick the squad up.
Btw, does anyone have any info about how WeMade the company is doing atm? I have a gut feeling that perhaps a contributor to the recent troubles in BW may be due to recent global recessions, though I'm not familiar enough with the global economy to provide an accurate commentary.
On August 22 2011 11:34 pieisamazing wrote: It just feels like the teams are going to start disbanding one after the other... there's been only a couple so far, or was there another besides Fox and eSTRO? I hope this doesn't become a trend.
The Hite Sparkyz merged with CJ Entus to create Hite Enuts, which was recently renamed back to CJ Entus.
It seems that the Hite Sparkyz and Estro were victims in 2010, and FOX is now the latest victim in 2011. 12 teams to 9 is quite sad.
iG will in all likelihood pick up Moon; I don't see anyone outbidding them, and they've expressed an interest in Moon before. Dunno if they might try to grab Lyn and Soccer, though they really should. China's short on really good NEs, so Soccer would be nice, and Lyn is Lyn - one of the best Orcs around.
If iG does pick Moon up, I really hope they keep Moon playing WC3/SC2. He's got RTS in his blood, and him being contracted for DotA would make me a sad panda.
This isn't about F.United it will exist with another name but the big news about this is the BW impact. Hope they find new homes if they can't find a team to sponsor them. 12 to 9 just like that
I'm sure F. United will still compete for the rest of the Team League, just like "fOu," but after that, there really is no "F. United" team, there never was, so no, the BW players can't just switch to SC2 as F. United players.
Curious to know what they mean by requesting that KeSPA manage the BW team. Are they disbanding or are they going to be kept together in hopes of perhaps finding a new sponsor?
On August 22 2011 11:48 babylon wrote: Fuck. WMF's WC3/SC2 team.
iG will in all likelihood pick up Moon; I don't see anyone outbidding them, and they've expressed an interest in Moon before. Dunno if they might try to grab Lyn and Soccer, though they really should. China's short on really good NEs, so Soccer would be nice, and Lyn is Lyn - one of the best Orcs around.
If iG does pick Moon up, I really hope they keep Moon playing WC3/SC2. He's got RTS in his blood, and him being contracted for DotA would make me a sad panda.
You think Moon is going to play DotA... He is going to stick with SC2/WC3
I think if fox actually generated more winning in tournaments this outcome wouldn't have happen well I guess that's just my take at this conclusion however I felt that the lost of seeing baby, bear ,mind,pure under we made logo is quite sad . But i think like any sponsoring sponsors would have pull out of the e sport business if their team isn't performing be it Real life sports or E sports.
On August 22 2011 11:54 LegendaryZ wrote: Curious to know what they mean by requesting that KeSPA manage the BW team. Are they disbanding or are they going to be kept together in hopes of perhaps finding a new sponsor?
On August 22 2011 11:16 Milkis wrote:
Addendum: DES reports that the WeMade has asked KeSPA to manage the Brood War team.This means either find a new sponsor for the team, or to do what they had done with ESTRO last year.
On August 22 2011 11:34 pieisamazing wrote: It just feels like the teams are going to start disbanding one after the other... there's been only a couple so far, or was there another besides Fox and eSTRO? I hope this doesn't become a trend.
The Hite Sparkyz merged with CJ Entus to create Hite Enuts, which was recently renamed back to CJ Entus.
It seems that the Hite Sparkyz and Estro were victims in 2010, and FOX is now the latest victim in 2011. 12 teams to 9 is quite sad.
And then there's MBCGame HERO, Who I don't think will survive past the 11-12 season. Next summer we'll be down to 8 unless new sponsors come to pick up the teams when old sponsors pull out.
New teams won't start up from scratch though, not anymore. Every year there's too much uncertainty about the following year, and starting a team from scratch (large pickups in rookie drafts, picking up mediocre a-teamers from other teams, etc) is a big gamble that would take at least a couple seasons to show results. At best we can hope for keeping the teams we have under new sponsors.
On August 22 2011 11:20 eton7410 wrote: GG for BW. It is starting.
No. If anything, it is GG for e-sports. You realize they shut down their SC2 division as well, right?
Their Sc2 division was not that strong but I see your point, though it's mostly going to affect bw I guess. Obviously they could have become a better Sc2 team but atm they were not.
That really sucks badly. I really liked WeMade. I hope they will manage to find another sponsor though... If not we will be left with only 9 teams and would really suck.
well in my opinion I don't want to prick on any nerves but team getting reduced to 9 team and distributing better players among weak team in certain deparment(not over all so don't flame me) , team like oz,woongjin, stx would have benefitted through transfer of the players from we madefox if there is no sponsor for we made fox . We madefox have serious terran firepower line up in their player list any one who manages to get them will definitely benefitted from it .
On August 22 2011 12:00 barkles wrote: NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
:'(
my favorite team gone? screw you modern BW scene
Modern bw scene has been fine blame we made and not the scene please .
Match fixing, teams shutting down, and reports that MBC game is going off-air? What scene have you been following?
The Flash scene. Win Intel classic--> no more GOM. Win WCG ---> no more BW in WCG Win SPL #1 ---> Estro and Sparkyz disband Win MSL ---> plan of MBC shut down Win SPL #2---> Fox disband
*note* correlation doesn't mean causation. >.> <.<
Looks like SaviOr, recession, Korean MMOs, and SC2 has taken its toll on the BW scene. (SC2 may not be as popular as BW, but I'm sure the sponsors think SC2 will eventually spell the doom of BW.)
On August 22 2011 12:14 lbmaian wrote: Looks like SaviOr, recession, Korean MMOs, and SC2 has taken its toll on the BW scene. (SC2 may not be as popular as BW, but I'm sure the sponsors think SC2 will eventually spell the doom of BW.)
yo doom sayers i love you coming in to the thread but we are okay broodwar will live you know there is always section for you to go there you know .It's much livelier there and esports oriented. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=19
On August 22 2011 12:00 barkles wrote: NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
:'(
my favorite team gone? screw you modern BW scene
Modern bw scene has been fine blame we made and not the scene please .
Match fixing, teams shutting down, and reports that MBC game is going off-air? What scene have you been following?
The Flash scene. Win Intel classic--> no more GOM. Win WCG ---> no more BW in WCG Win SPL #1 ---> Estro and Sparkyz disband Win MSL ---> plan of MBC shut down Win SPL #2---> Fox disband
*note* correlation doesn't mean causation. >.> <.<
You nailed it, I'm amazed I never thought of Flash killing everyone in 2011.
I know that it what I am about to say is going to make some angry (I'm sorry!). But I'm actually glad to see another team go down. (sorry!) I really think that the Proleague is keeping BW alive and I really want to see it die. I know that sounds horrible, but I really feel that we have seen most if not all BW has to offer, and I really want to see all of these top Koreans switch over to SC2. As was seen at the last MLG, Koreans like Boxer and MMA have soooo much to contribute to the SC2 scene. Boxer and MMA permanently changed SC2's TvZ in one tournament with that amazing hellion play.
The more teams that go down, the quicker the Proleague will die off, and the faster these players will switch to SC2. And yes I know there are SC2 players on the team too I'm getting there.
On August 22 2011 11:36 L3g3nd_ wrote: sad news, what will happen to lyn/soccer/moon i wonder. hopefully another sc2 team picks them up
I have no doubt that they will be picked up at the rate the SC2 scene is expanding. At the very least Moon will be due to his notoriety. As a big WC3 fan, I don't exactly like the idea of losing pro players. But like with BW, the WC3 scene is dead and not coming back. Top WC3 players have moved on and time for us fans to do the same.
Again sorry for my ill wishes to a great BW team, but it is honestly how I feel.
On August 22 2011 12:17 Hikari wrote: It is hard to keep the pro-scene running. Hopefully the numbers at recent SPL will encourage some more money to keep the scene alive.
MBC (both team and channel) still have their fate hanging on the balance... I wonder where the bw scene will be like 3 years down the road...
On August 22 2011 12:16 TheToast wrote: I know that it what I am about to say is going to make some angry (I'm sorry!). But I'm actually glad to see another team go down. (sorry!) I really think that the Proleague is keeping BW alive and I really want to see it die. I know that sounds horrible, but I really feel that we have seen most if not all BW has to offer, and I really want to see all of these top Koreans switch over to SC2. As was seen at the last MLG, Koreans like Boxer and MMA have soooo much to contribute to the SC2 scene. Boxer and MMA permanently changed SC2's TvZ in one tournament with that amazing hellion play.
The more teams that go down, the quicker the Proleague will die off, and the faster these players will switch to SC2. And yes I know there are SC2 players on the team too I'm getting there.
On August 22 2011 11:36 L3g3nd_ wrote: sad news, what will happen to lyn/soccer/moon i wonder. hopefully another sc2 team picks them up
I have no doubt that they will be picked up at the rate the SC2 scene is expanding. At the very least Moon will be. As a big WC3 fan, I don't exactly like the idea of loosing pro players. But like with BW, the WC3 scene is dead and not coming back. Top WC3 players have moved on and time for us fans to do the same.
Again sorry for my ill wishes to a great BW team, but it is honestly how I feel.
I CAN'T believe you are saying this so straightforwards . You come in here casually and just tell us hey Sc2 is the big thing now and you guys should leave bw and let it die there's more fun in sc2 and more hype . Please refrain over stupid statements like that I don't want sc2 and I don't pay attention to their scene at all except yellow code A show . Come on pay some respect to the team okay ? edit out if you can because some we made fox fan who are raging may flame you up side down.
On August 22 2011 12:16 TheToast wrote: I know that it what I am about to say is going to make some angry (I'm sorry!). But I'm actually glad to see another team go down. (sorry!) I really think that the Proleague is keeping BW alive and I really want to see it die. I know that sounds horrible, but I really feel that we have seen most if not all BW has to offer, and I really want to see all of these top Koreans switch over to SC2. As was seen at the last MLG, Koreans like Boxer and MMA have soooo much to contribute to the SC2 scene. Boxer and MMA permanently changed SC2's TvZ in one tournament with that amazing hellion play.
The more teams that go down, the quicker the Proleague will die off, and the faster these players will switch to SC2. And yes I know there are SC2 players on the team too I'm getting there.
On August 22 2011 11:36 L3g3nd_ wrote: sad news, what will happen to lyn/soccer/moon i wonder. hopefully another sc2 team picks them up
I have no doubt that they will be picked up at the rate the SC2 scene is expanding. At the very least Moon will be due to his notoriety. As a big WC3 fan, I don't exactly like the idea of losing pro players. But like with BW, the WC3 scene is dead and not coming back. Top WC3 players have moved on and time for us fans to do the same.
Again sorry for my ill wishes to a great BW team, but it is honestly how I feel.
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Then get the hell out of here. You wish BW to die just because you think some other game may benefit? Why did you even have the need to post this here, in a thread that makes all us, who still care about bw and don't give shit about your sc2, very sad. Did you even think for a second how upset some of BW fans can feel now? Stop being a selfish prick and think twice before posting something so insensitive in a very sensitive topic.
On August 22 2011 12:16 TheToast wrote: I know that it what I am about to say is going to make some angry (I'm sorry!). But I'm actually glad to see another team go down. (sorry!) I really think that the Proleague is keeping BW alive and I really want to see it die. I know that sounds horrible, but I really feel that we have seen most if not all BW has to offer, and I really want to see all of these top Koreans switch over to SC2. As was seen at the last MLG, Koreans like Boxer and MMA have soooo much to contribute to the SC2 scene. Boxer and MMA permanently changed SC2's TvZ in one tournament with that amazing hellion play.
The more teams that go down, the quicker the Proleague will die off, and the faster these players will switch to SC2. And yes I know there are SC2 players on the team too I'm getting there.
On August 22 2011 11:36 L3g3nd_ wrote: sad news, what will happen to lyn/soccer/moon i wonder. hopefully another sc2 team picks them up
I have no doubt that they will be picked up at the rate the SC2 scene is expanding. At the very least Moon will be due to his notoriety. As a big WC3 fan, I don't exactly like the idea of losing pro players. But like with BW, the WC3 scene is dead and not coming back. Top WC3 players have moved on and time for us fans to do the same.
Again sorry for my ill wishes to a great BW team, but it is honestly how I feel.
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Man, I just had to post since I haven't read such an infuriating post for a long time. Even if you are going to post it, in my opinion it should have stay in blog or sc2 forum not here in the BW forum.
I really want to post an inflammatory comment about your post but I think I am going to bite my tongue.
On another note, come on Korean Air! I promise I'll buy your airpline ticket when I decide to go to Korea for vacation
On August 22 2011 12:16 TheToast wrote: I know that it what I am about to say is going to make some angry (I'm sorry!). But I'm actually glad to see another team go down. (sorry!) I really think that the Proleague is keeping BW alive and I really want to see it die. I know that sounds horrible, but I really feel that we have seen most if not all BW has to offer, and I really want to see all of these top Koreans switch over to SC2. As was seen at the last MLG, Koreans like Boxer and MMA have soooo much to contribute to the SC2 scene. Boxer and MMA permanently changed SC2's TvZ in one tournament with that amazing hellion play.
The more teams that go down, the quicker the Proleague will die off, and the faster these players will switch to SC2. And yes I know there are SC2 players on the team too I'm getting there.
On August 22 2011 11:36 L3g3nd_ wrote: sad news, what will happen to lyn/soccer/moon i wonder. hopefully another sc2 team picks them up
I have no doubt that they will be picked up at the rate the SC2 scene is expanding. At the very least Moon will be due to his notoriety. As a big WC3 fan, I don't exactly like the idea of losing pro players. But like with BW, the WC3 scene is dead and not coming back. Top WC3 players have moved on and time for us fans to do the same.
Again sorry for my ill wishes to a great BW team, but it is honestly how I feel.
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Then get the hell out of here. You wish BW to die just because you like some other game may benefit? Why did you even have the need to post this here, in a thread that makes all us, who still care about bw and don't give shit about your sc2, very sad.
its community news section now,thats why so many non BW community posts are made here.Let them say what they want,we'll leave the mods to decide their fate.
Ouch. I really hope Midas, BaBy, and Wooki find teams. Wookie 'specially, since he's proven himself to be a lot more than just a rookie. It'd be sad to see him just kick the bucket once WMF disbands
Okay so STX whole line-up change and this?? Really weird considering SPL finals just got the HIGHEST RATING IN HISTORY! I don't know whats going on but maybe the Wemade players can transfer to teams who really need it; i.e: Oz / STX. I prefer a few less teams if they are more stacked tbh.
On August 22 2011 12:16 TheToast wrote: I know that it what I am about to say is going to make some angry (I'm sorry!). But I'm actually glad to see another team go down. (sorry!) I really think that the Proleague is keeping BW alive and I really want to see it die. I know that sounds horrible, but I really feel that we have seen most if not all BW has to offer, and I really want to see all of these top Koreans switch over to SC2. As was seen at the last MLG, Koreans like Boxer and MMA have soooo much to contribute to the SC2 scene. Boxer and MMA permanently changed SC2's TvZ in one tournament with that amazing hellion play.
The more teams that go down, the quicker the Proleague will die off, and the faster these players will switch to SC2. And yes I know there are SC2 players on the team too I'm getting there.
I cannot believe what I just read. How dare you blatantly come in here and tell us that Brood War is dying, and that Starcraft 2, which to me, and most others on this section of the forums carries nothing to us. You're telling us to let what is dear to us DIE for something that we do not care about. Because there is hype? Because there is more fun? Have some respect for the teams, the players and the fans. I care not for Starcraft 2, I care about the players that I've loved for the better part of my life. Honestly, I cannot believe you have the nerve to come here and bring posts like this here.
On August 22 2011 12:16 TheToast wrote: I know that it what I am about to say is going to make some angry (I'm sorry!). But I'm actually glad to see another team go down. (sorry!) I really think that the Proleague is keeping BW alive and I really want to see it die. I know that sounds horrible, but I really feel that we have seen most if not all BW has to offer, and I really want to see all of these top Koreans switch over to SC2. As was seen at the last MLG, Koreans like Boxer and MMA have soooo much to contribute to the SC2 scene. Boxer and MMA permanently changed SC2's TvZ in one tournament with that amazing hellion play.
The more teams that go down, the quicker the Proleague will die off, and the faster these players will switch to SC2. And yes I know there are SC2 players on the team too I'm getting there.
On August 22 2011 11:36 L3g3nd_ wrote: sad news, what will happen to lyn/soccer/moon i wonder. hopefully another sc2 team picks them up
I have no doubt that they will be picked up at the rate the SC2 scene is expanding. At the very least Moon will be due to his notoriety. As a big WC3 fan, I don't exactly like the idea of losing pro players. But like with BW, the WC3 scene is dead and not coming back. Top WC3 players have moved on and time for us fans to do the same.
Again sorry for my ill wishes to a great BW team, but it is honestly how I feel.
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Go die in a hole. No really. HOW COULD YOU SAY THAT?????????? This is the reason y us BW die hard fans talk trash to sc2 people. Its cause u guys think it is so cool to waltz into a topic and then say this crap. I hope u realize that if bw falls, thats a huge blow to esports... U think everyone cares about sc2? Wrong. Not everyone is in this world of HEY COME TO SC2 ITS SO MUCH BETTER. spare me the bs. Sorry for the rage but ppl like you get me so angry...
Back to the OP: KT WANT BABY! wah!!! Hehe. I hope Korean Air can pick up. That would be nice. And LOLOLOLOLOL!!! at the flash thing. Predicted: KT win 3rd straight SPL -> end of SKT. lulz Jokes
On August 22 2011 12:14 lbmaian wrote: Looks like SaviOr, recession, Korean MMOs, and SC2 has taken its toll on the BW scene. (SC2 may not be as popular as BW, but I'm sure the sponsors think SC2 will eventually spell the doom of BW.)
First 3 sure. SC2? HAHA! Korean SC2 teams are having a hard enough time surviving themselves. TSL and Prime losing sponsors. Fou needing FXO, a foreign company to come in and save them. oGs and MVP can't afford to send their players overseas so they have to partner with SK and complexity. Zenex losing players and possibly disbanding themselves. Only IM and Slayers are truly safe, the latter only because of Boxer.
On August 22 2011 11:48 babylon wrote: Fuck. WMF's WC3/SC2 team.
iG will in all likelihood pick up Moon; I don't see anyone outbidding them, and they've expressed an interest in Moon before. Dunno if they might try to grab Lyn and Soccer, though they really should. China's short on really good NEs, so Soccer would be nice, and Lyn is Lyn - one of the best Orcs around.
If iG does pick Moon up, I really hope they keep Moon playing WC3/SC2. He's got RTS in his blood, and him being contracted for DotA would make me a sad panda.
You think Moon is going to play DotA... He is going to stick with SC2/WC3
Rumors of Moon to iG have been floating around for forever ever since iG was formed. Mutual interest was expressed, and I guess all we can do is wait for the fall-out.
Slightly off-topic, but the SCBW rage regarding SC2 is kind of funny to read. (Not laugh-out-loud funny, but sort of a sad funny.) I'm a die-hard WC3 fan, and I think all of us are pretty much resigned to WC3 fading away in the next year or two. Having our players switch to SC2 isn't really seen as anything bad; it is what it is, and it's nice to know that after WC3's death, we'll still have players like ToD and Grubby and hopefully Soccer, Moon, and Lyn still playing SC2. I guess it's just weird to me to see so much hope and passion for such an old scene after I spent the last few years watching WC3 start to vanish, little by little.
On August 22 2011 12:27 Babaganoush wrote: So whats that going to make Moon and Lyn (if they still play SC2 at all, I last heard they were focusing on WC3)?
On August 22 2011 12:16 TheToast wrote: I know that it what I am about to say is going to make some angry (I'm sorry!). But I'm actually glad to see another team go down. (sorry!) I really think that the Proleague is keeping BW alive and I really want to see it die. I know that sounds horrible, but I really feel that we have seen most if not all BW has to offer, and I really want to see all of these top Koreans switch over to SC2. As was seen at the last MLG, Koreans like Boxer and MMA have soooo much to contribute to the SC2 scene. Boxer and MMA permanently changed SC2's TvZ in one tournament with that amazing hellion play.
The more teams that go down, the quicker the Proleague will die off, and the faster these players will switch to SC2. And yes I know there are SC2 players on the team too I'm getting there.
On August 22 2011 11:36 L3g3nd_ wrote: sad news, what will happen to lyn/soccer/moon i wonder. hopefully another sc2 team picks them up
I have no doubt that they will be picked up at the rate the SC2 scene is expanding. At the very least Moon will be due to his notoriety. As a big WC3 fan, I don't exactly like the idea of losing pro players. But like with BW, the WC3 scene is dead and not coming back. Top WC3 players have moved on and time for us fans to do the same.
Again sorry for my ill wishes to a great BW team, but it is honestly how I feel.
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haha you're going to get so much hate for this
i won't hate, i'll just tell you that you're not going to get your wish. bw > sc2 in korea by far, even the poorest bw teams have more money than the richest sc2 teams
this won't ever change, as the korean sc2 scene will die out long before the korean bw scene due to the huge international tournaments. I think sc2 will end up like wc3 (but more popular than wc3 was) where pretty much everything was international.
and just to spite you, i hope you don't get to see baby bear play SC2. Go back to SKT baby bear
It makes sense that they'd be interested, they're clearly liking the whole BW sponsorship thing since they've sponsored Starleague 3 times. Weren't they already a sponsor of WMF? I think I remember seeing little Korean Air patches on their uniforms.
Hope they can get a deal done, I really don't want to see WMF go the way of eSTRO.
On August 22 2011 11:48 babylon wrote: Fuck. WMF's WC3/SC2 team.
iG will in all likelihood pick up Moon; I don't see anyone outbidding them, and they've expressed an interest in Moon before. Dunno if they might try to grab Lyn and Soccer, though they really should. China's short on really good NEs, so Soccer would be nice, and Lyn is Lyn - one of the best Orcs around.
If iG does pick Moon up, I really hope they keep Moon playing WC3/SC2. He's got RTS in his blood, and him being contracted for DotA would make me a sad panda.
You think Moon is going to play DotA... He is going to stick with SC2/WC3
Rumors of Moon to iG have been floating around for forever ever since iG was formed. Mutual interest was expressed, and I guess all we can do is wait for the fall-out.
Slightly off-topic, but the SCBW rage regarding SC2 is kind of funny to read. (Not laugh-out-loud funny, but sort of a sad funny.) I'm a die-hard WC3 fan, and I think all of us are pretty much resigned to WC3 fading away in the next year or two. Having our players switch to SC2 isn't really seen as anything bad; it is what it is, and it's nice to know that after WC3's death, we'll still have players like ToD and Grubby and hopefully Soccer, Moon, and Lyn still playing SC2. I guess it's just weird to me to see so much hope and passion for such an old scene after I spent the last few years watching WC3 start to vanish, little by little.
I saw the article but i can't translate it. But wouldn't he join as an SC2 player? I mean does Moon even know how to play DotA and who would invictus drop for moon? There is a language barrier too if Moon decided to play for Invictus as a DotA player
On August 22 2011 11:48 babylon wrote: Fuck. WMF's WC3/SC2 team.
iG will in all likelihood pick up Moon; I don't see anyone outbidding them, and they've expressed an interest in Moon before. Dunno if they might try to grab Lyn and Soccer, though they really should. China's short on really good NEs, so Soccer would be nice, and Lyn is Lyn - one of the best Orcs around.
If iG does pick Moon up, I really hope they keep Moon playing WC3/SC2. He's got RTS in his blood, and him being contracted for DotA would make me a sad panda.
You think Moon is going to play DotA... He is going to stick with SC2/WC3
Rumors of Moon to iG have been floating around for forever ever since iG was formed. Mutual interest was expressed, and I guess all we can do is wait for the fall-out.
Slightly off-topic, but the SCBW rage regarding SC2 is kind of funny to read. (Not laugh-out-loud funny, but sort of a sad funny.) I'm a die-hard WC3 fan, and I think all of us are pretty much resigned to WC3 fading away in the next year or two. Having our players switch to SC2 isn't really seen as anything bad; it is what it is, and it's nice to know that after WC3's death, we'll still have players like ToD and Grubby and hopefully Soccer, Moon, and Lyn still playing SC2. I guess it's just weird to me to see so much hope and passion for such an old scene after I spent the last few years watching WC3 start to vanish, little by little.
i can not stop laughing when you call yourself *die-hard* wc3 fan yet you are happy to see your game die
I think you misinterpret what he said. He doesn't seem to be happy that WC3 is dying; he is just accepting that WC3's demise is inevitable and accepting what is reality instead of acting angry about it. It seems that he is only happy that WC3's players will still be able to continue their legacy in a different game instead of fading into obscurity.
:\ I'm starting to distrust when Korean teams say "nothing is confirmed" or "it's just a rumor." Sucks, hope all the players find a home to keep them playing, whichever game it may be.
On August 22 2011 12:14 lbmaian wrote: Looks like SaviOr, recession, Korean MMOs, and SC2 has taken its toll on the BW scene. (SC2 may not be as popular as BW, but I'm sure the sponsors think SC2 will eventually spell the doom of BW.)
yo doom sayers i love you coming in to the thread but we are okay broodwar will live you know there is always section for you to go there you know .It's much livelier there and esports oriented. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=19
You're over-reacting. I'm not happy about this either. But I'm just being realistic.
On August 22 2011 11:48 babylon wrote: Fuck. WMF's WC3/SC2 team.
iG will in all likelihood pick up Moon; I don't see anyone outbidding them, and they've expressed an interest in Moon before. Dunno if they might try to grab Lyn and Soccer, though they really should. China's short on really good NEs, so Soccer would be nice, and Lyn is Lyn - one of the best Orcs around.
If iG does pick Moon up, I really hope they keep Moon playing WC3/SC2. He's got RTS in his blood, and him being contracted for DotA would make me a sad panda.
You think Moon is going to play DotA... He is going to stick with SC2/WC3
Rumors of Moon to iG have been floating around for forever ever since iG was formed. Mutual interest was expressed, and I guess all we can do is wait for the fall-out.
Slightly off-topic, but the SCBW rage regarding SC2 is kind of funny to read. (Not laugh-out-loud funny, but sort of a sad funny.) I'm a die-hard WC3 fan, and I think all of us are pretty much resigned to WC3 fading away in the next year or two. Having our players switch to SC2 isn't really seen as anything bad; it is what it is, and it's nice to know that after WC3's death, we'll still have players like ToD and Grubby and hopefully Soccer, Moon, and Lyn still playing SC2. I guess it's just weird to me to see so much hope and passion for such an old scene after I spent the last few years watching WC3 start to vanish, little by little.
I saw the article but i can't translate it. But wouldn't he join as an SC2 player? I mean does Moon even know how to play DotA and who would invictus drop for moon? There is a language barrier too if Moon decided to play for Invictus as a DotA player
It basically says that WMF let go of Soccer, Moon, and Lyn and that iG expressed an interest in Moon and may pick him up as a DotA player. (It remains to be seen whether or not they were joking.) I think Moon would prefer to stick with WC3/SC2, but I guess it all depends on how much money he's offered.
Moon has probably dabbled in DotA. And I have no idea how they'd even deal with the language barrier. Combine that with the fact that iG's DotA team is strong enough, and I want to say that it's just a joke.
On August 22 2011 12:46 jidolboy wrote: i can not stop laughing when you call yourself *die-hard* wc3 fan yet you are happy to see your game die
Reread my post and stop baiting me, or fuck off. eviltomahawk said it best, so I won't bother repeating him, especially since he expressed my feelings much more eloquently than I ever could in my current state of mind.
On August 22 2011 11:17 Darthozzan wrote: Sad to see this happen. I wonder what this means for F. United? No more foreigners in GSTL? >_< Oh well, all good things come to an end...
wow, the comprehension level of some people is almost null... sorry to tell you this pal, but get to know the programing scene a little more before you post something like this...
I have hope they'll be able to find a sponsor. Might have to cut some players but if they keep their core they can survive next season. Baby and Wooki are future stars (Baby is an ace-level player already). Roro, Shine, Mind, and Midas are good/decent A-teamers. If the new sponsor can get Best from free agency (if I were SKT I'd be willing to let him go so that Rain, Ssak and Paralyze could develop), they'd probably be contenders.
Not my favorite team, but I'm not happy to see them go like this. If I had three wishes, I would use one of them to remind people how awesome StarCraft is.
This is super upsetting D:. I hope they manage to find a new sponsor, cause with so little in terms of teams, I'm not sure how much longer BW can live on for D: ... I'm confident they will find the right solution though! Hopefully all the Terrans and Roro (and Shine I suppose ) will be able to play well without worries in the future!
On August 22 2011 13:10 MarwanBaki wrote: EG - MOON, you heard it here first.
EG can't afford Moon.
You may never know. What if there 10 sponsors dish out major cash? They can contract him just like that. And going to your other post about moon going to DotA. That would be a very hard thing to pull off because that means moon moves to China and needs to learn a new language and train. Also isn't he married to his girlfriend?
A sad day for BW, SC2, WC3, and Counter-Strike. WeMade FOX was always a team I liked, if only for the cool name. Hopefully a new team springs up to take their place.
I wonder how this affects F United, and by extension the MLG/GSL league exchange, but this isn't the right forum for that :/
Flash wins WCG, BW removed from WCG Flash wins golden badge, MBC turns into kpop channel Flash's team wins Proleague 09-10, estro disbands Flash's team wins Proleague 10-11, wemade fox disbands
lucky osl could withstand the rampage of flash, or else that golden mouse would have been deadly
EDIT: damn ninjaed before I began, see bearbuddy's post on page 8
This isn't just about the BW pro-team disbanding, its all of Wemades teams disbanding, SC2 WC3 etc. So as far as I can understand it isn't a 'direct' hit on the broodwar scene... i.e. Wemade is not pulling out because BW has no future, but rather because they have another focus...
Had a feeling this was happening for a long time, was basically confirmed when they dropped the CS team.
WMF was my favorite CS team besides '09 fnatic. Not a huge fan of their BW roster but it's always sad to see a team leave, wish them the best in whatever they do.
I do wonder if lyn/moon will retire, stick with wc3, or go sc2 full time though. Also interested in seeing where BaBy goes.
On August 22 2011 13:36 gostunv wrote: so yall have been talking about their RTS teams all disbanding but what about their CS team? im guessing they are getting axed too?
They don't have one. Project_kr was let go a few months ago. After that their star player "solo" went to the army.
On August 22 2011 13:36 gostunv wrote: so yall have been talking about their RTS teams all disbanding but what about their CS team? im guessing they are getting axed too?
Someone mentioned a few pages back their CS team disbanded back in December
anyway, bloody August...always the low point of the year.
On August 22 2011 12:36 mmdmmd wrote: Unconfirmed rumor from wfbrood forum. Korean Air is interested.
Let us pray. I'm tired of hearing bad bw news.
So, in regards to the Brood War team, they lost their sponsor, and now they're asking KeSPA to be an "interim sponsor" while trying to find a new one, such as Korean Air (AirFOX? Air FOX Ace?)?
If that's the case then...that's not that that bad? It sounds like WMF is scrapping their SC2 team (fairly bad if that sinks F United. No big loss if it doesn't) and it's WC3 team (which is apparently really bad for WC3) as well as Counter-Strike (which I know nothing about), to try and keep their BW division afloat. Is that accurate? I suppose it's good for Brood War that they consider all the other games expendable like that, though I don't disagree with their decision.
On August 22 2011 13:10 MarwanBaki wrote: EG - MOON, you heard it here first.
EG can't afford Moon.
You may never know. What if there 10 sponsors dish out major cash? They can contract him just like that. And going to your other post about moon going to DotA. That would be a very hard thing to pull off because that means moon moves to China and needs to learn a new language and train. Also isn't he married to his girlfriend?
Moon's expensive. I only really see Chinese teams dishing out the money he'd want. (And keep in mind that Moon, in one of the articles I linked to, himself has expressed interest in joining iG.) Additionally, I don't know why EG would pick him up. His SC2 results haven't been amazing, and they killed their WC3 division a while ago; I don't see them going back to WC3 ever. Meanwhile, iG doesn't have a WC3 division as far as I can tell, but with them being a Chinese team, they're probably not averse to starting one. Also, seeing as how Moon is going to play WC3 for the WCG, I kind of expect him to join a Chinese team, whichever one that will be.
Note that I'm not saying Moon is going to DotA - I hope he doesn't, though if he does, I'll always be a fan and try to force myself to sit through his DotA games, no matter how boring I think DotA is to spectate - I'm just the messenger delivering the rumors.
(And yes, he is married.)
EDIT: Forgot to add that with iG flinging around money like there's no tomorrow - seriously, six million USD for CCM is fucking ridiculous - I wouldn't be surprised if they just bought WMF's WC3 division. I might even prefer it that way, to be honest.
On August 22 2011 12:36 mmdmmd wrote: Unconfirmed rumor from wfbrood forum. Korean Air is interested.
Let us pray. I'm tired of hearing bad bw news.
So, in regards to the Brood War team, they lost their sponsor, and now they're asking KeSPA to be an "interim sponsor" while trying to find a new one, such as Korean Air (AirFOX? Air FOX Ace?)?
If that's the case then...that's not that that bad? It sounds like WMF is scrapping their SC2 team (fairly bad if that sinks F United. No big loss if it doesn't) and it's WC3 team (which is apparently really bad for WC3) as well as Counter-Strike (which I know nothing about), to try and keep their BW division afloat. Is that accurate? I suppose it's good for Brood War that they consider all the other games expendable like that, though I don't disagree with their decision.
As far as WC3 goes: all of the WMF warcraft3 players were mostly SC2 players these days anyway (Moon, Soccer, Lyn). And my understanding of competitive WC3 these days is that you either move to china or switch to sc2 anyway.
As much as I want to be greedy and have KT take Baby for ourselves, for the sake of parity in Brood War (because let's face it, sponsors are much more quick to pull the plug on underperforming teams) it would be best if this sort of situation played out (assuming WMF does indeed disband)
Baby -> STX Mind -> Oz Roro -> Khan Shine -> Khan Wooki -> Stars Midas -> Ace
Man with teams dying and the rest becoming bloated with strong players they will have to start playing bo9's or something, otherwise new blood will get 0 playtime.
Sigh... then again, FOX has always struggled to perform in SPL and SWL, especially since Baby's performance hasn't been so hot after his huge hype a while back. Understandable, but still =(
If WMF becomes completely dead then the SPL will become kinda a joke with only 7 competing teams. In fact, the elephant in the room is the fact that companies are pulling out of BW in Korea, and e.g. if MBC and STX disband in the future (it is possible, and may happen sooner rather than later), that only leaves 5 teams: KT, Khan, SKT, Oz and Ace (edit: forgot CJ D: ) . Also, I wonder which TV channel will even broadcast BW if things keep heading this way.
Honestly, I think that if WMF isn't saved, then it could be the tipping point into the death of BW in Korea.
On August 22 2011 14:30 tyCe wrote: If WMF becomes completely dead then the SPL will become kinda a joke with only 7 competing teams. In fact, the elephant in the room is the fact that companies are pulling out of BW in Korea, and e.g. if MBC and STX disband in the future (it is possible, and may happen sooner rather than later), that only leaves 5 teams: KT, Khan, SKT, Oz and Ace (edit: forgot CJ D: ) . Also, I wonder which TV channel will even broadcast BW if things keep heading this way.
Honestly, I think that if WMF isn't saved, then it could be the tipping point into the death of BW in Korea.
On August 22 2011 14:30 tyCe wrote: If WMF becomes completely dead then the SPL will become kinda a joke with only 7 competing teams. In fact, the elephant in the room is the fact that companies are pulling out of BW in Korea, and e.g. if MBC and STX disband in the future (it is possible, and may happen sooner rather than later), that only leaves 5 teams: KT, Khan, SKT, Oz and Ace (edit: forgot CJ D: ) . Also, I wonder which TV channel will even broadcast BW if things keep heading this way.
Honestly, I think that if WMF isn't saved, then it could be the tipping point into the death of BW in Korea.
I wouldn't count the fan-eating chickens before they've hatched.
I'm not sure about MBC, but I think STX isn't in danger of disbanding, especially not before they try out their "after" team (once the restructuring is done).
On August 22 2011 14:30 tyCe wrote: If WMF becomes completely dead then the SPL will become kinda a joke with only 7 competing teams. In fact, the elephant in the room is the fact that companies are pulling out of BW in Korea, and e.g. if MBC and STX disband in the future (it is possible, and may happen sooner rather than later), that only leaves 5 teams: KT, Khan, SKT, Oz and Ace (edit: forgot CJ D: ) . Also, I wonder which TV channel will even broadcast BW if things keep heading this way.
Honestly, I think that if WMF isn't saved, then it could be the tipping point into the death of BW in Korea.
You forgot Woongjin too.
Woongjin has been a counterexample to all the teams disbanding. They're not one of the big 4 giant corporation teams, yet they actively spent money last season to try to improve their team (getting Really in the estro dissolution draft, buying Light from MBC)
I don't think STX is considering pulling out. The fact that they're trying to shake up their roster actually says to me that they're still very interested in the success of their BW team.
MBC is another story. They've never invested too much into improving their team, and have in fact sold all their valued players except for Sea. They also had the biggest exodus for SC2, with Coach Lee and a bunch of the B-teamers leaving. They're the only team that's really in danger now, I think.
Always sad to see a team fall. Hopefully they can find a new organization but if they don't hopefully they can all find new teams. With any luck this won't happen to any other teams.
So I'm wondering where Moon and Lyn are gonna go. They don't have any results in SC2 yet, but they had huge salaries while on Fox.
They are going to have to take a huge pay cut and join oGs and follow ex-Fox's NaDa or something. Or maybe teams with unlimited money will try to snatch them up. EG.Moon, FXO-Lyn? Maybe Sixjax is going to get their first korean? Or maybe they go to some Taiwan team like Sen.
Maybe one of the european teams will buy a korean. I'd love to see Millenium or Empire buy either one of those players.
BW proteams are dropping like flies :/ It was inevitable i guess, but it s strange how the teams "fall" first not the players leave, though understandable if you consider the money aspect
I'm surprised many of you guys are surprised though, Koreans already knew that the Fox vs Oz match at the STX master's cup was going to be last game before they disbanded; also, you could tell by baby's "fantasy gg timing" and his hardly-noticeable tears after the game that this was most likely the last match for him as a FOX member.
On August 22 2011 14:11 T0fuuu wrote: sighhhh.. i guess this isnt a good year for wmf. odd cos i thiught the gaming sector thrives in a bad economy. I hope they can find a new sponsor.
why does the gaming sector thrive in a bad economy? i'm not retorting, i'm actually curious to know why this is true.
ffffffffffuuuuuuuuuuuu August....and I was borne this month... After 1 good news, comes another bad news.... I wish I had entered BW scene since 2007 days....
On August 22 2011 15:16 Sadistx wrote: So I'm wondering where Moon and Lyn are gonna go. They don't have any results in SC2 yet, but they had huge salaries while on Fox.
They are going to have to take a huge pay cut and join oGs and follow ex-Fox's NaDa or something. Or maybe teams with unlimited money will try to snatch them up. EG.Moon, FXO-Lyn? Maybe Sixjax is going to get their first korean? Or maybe they go to some Taiwan team like Sen.
Maybe one of the european teams will buy a korean. I'd love to see Millenium or Empire buy either one of those players.
I've said this a few pages back, but iG (Invictus Gaming, which recently bought out CCM and LGD for six million USD) is apparently interested in picking up Moon and possibly starting a WC3 division. I honestly think that if they pick up Moon, they should buy Soccer and Lyn while they're at it for the full package. Both Moon and Lyn are practicing for the WCG so I don't think they'll have any big accomplishments in SC2 until after the WCG this year ends (hopefully with Moon taking the championship so he can complete his WC3 trophy case), and the WC3 scene is definitely still alive and thriving in China. They could even be signed up as hybrid players again, seeing as how iG has a pretty decent SC2 team, with XiGua leading the charge and xiaOt as the manager.
I dunno. This is all pretty depressing. We'll see what happens. In terms of SC2 teams, I'd like to see Moon go to oGs, actually, though it'd be absolutely hilarious if Grubby picks all the WMF WC3 folks up.
On August 22 2011 15:34 Black[CAT] wrote: ffffffffffuuuuuuuuuuuu August....and I was borne this month... After 1 good news, comes another bad news.... I wish I had entered BW scene since 2007 days....
Well, for sure it doesn't thrive in an age where free Korean MMOs are stealing potential talent and mindshare away. Since gaming is so pervasive in Korean culture already, it's a zero-sum game now IMO.
Note: Unlike BW players whose contracts already expired, players in FOX's WC3 division have some time left in their contract. (~6 month in Moon's case)
According to MT, there hasn't been a formal discussion regarding WC3 players' future. FOX will meet with Moon, Lyn and Soccer tomorrow (23rd) to discuss their future. If other teams show interest, FOX will pursue trading Moon or Lyn.
On August 22 2011 15:50 NHY wrote: Note: Unlike BW players whose contracts already expired, players in FOX's WC3 division have some time left in their contract. (~6 month in Moon's case)
According to MT, there hasn't been a formal discussion regarding WC3 players' future. FOX will meet with Moon, Lyn and Soccer tomorrow (23rd) to discuss their future. If other teams show interest, FOX will pursue trading Moon or Lyn.
I wonder if Moon still gets his money. He signed a $200k+ per year contract when he joined Fox right? That means if he still has 6 months left there could be a fight over the last 100 grand.
This is what happens when you have 2 (maybe 3) imbalanced teams and the competition structured such as those 2 (maybe 3) teams are always disputing the title between themselves. How much time and money could small teams spend without ever being close to winning the Proleague?
An end of a truely amazing era for WeMadeFox such a great awesome team comes to an end I hope they all find teams quickly and wish the company good luck in creating games!
Makes me a sad panda. I've never really liked their BW team, but they are so old school it's sad to see them go. Furthermore the overall trend to see BW dying ever so slowly. Hope many make the sc2 switch and that the sc2 players find new teams.
Well, I hope this forces Moon and Lyn to focus on either WC3 or SC2, didn't really like how they focused on both and showed only lackluster results in SC2 at best. :-/
On August 22 2011 17:21 thepuppyassassin wrote: Sad.. But on a brighter note, there may be a bunch of new recruits for sc2 teams.
I think some mods ought to put a "sc2 bw flame igniting=ban" in this thread
Don't see why you'd think it is sc2 bw flame igniting, I think you have a very incorrect impression of SC2 fans if you think that wanting players to go to another game is baiting.
Did you consider he just wants to see his favourite brood war players play his favourite game?...Not everyone is out to destroy the world, sir.
On August 22 2011 17:28 Tommylew wrote: gutted, wonder where Moon and Lyn will end up and if theyll have to retire from WC3 to get a team and be SC2 exclusive
They're the two Korean qualifiers for this year's WCG in WC3. I can't see them retiring from WC3 until after the event.
It would be brilliant if a new sponsor were to step in. I'm sure that would be good news for the entire progaming scene right now, and if there was ever a time when progaming will gain exposure for a company, it's now.
brb finding out how much it costs to sponsor a pro BW team... :p
wow this sucks - guess its going to be a game of Hungy Hippo's for all the progaming owners to get their players, still i wish all the team the best of luck finding new teams!
On August 22 2011 17:50 hvbgfc wrote: Great news everyone. Sounds like BW is running out of fuel.
User was banned for this post.
dude cmon.... without the success of sc1, sc2 wouldn't be the same! They are two different games with two different fan bases and this is hurting e-sports in general with disbanding.
Really sad news lately for the e-sports, blizzard and the rights of the SCII have to be guilty. They should release the SCII rights after the contract with GOMTV is over.
On August 22 2011 18:06 backtoback wrote: you guys do know that SC2 is disbanding as well, not just SC1... seriously TL posters are unbelievable !
They're just trolls. Ignore them.
On August 22 2011 18:14 DreamOen wrote: Really sad news lately for the e-sports, blizzard and the rights of the SCII have to be guilty. They should release the SCII rights after the contract with GOMTV is over.
What? What do SC2 rights have to do with anything?
On August 22 2011 18:14 DreamOen wrote: Really sad news lately for the e-sports, blizzard and the rights of the SCII have to be guilty. They should release the SCII rights after the contract with GOMTV is over.
What? What do SC2 rights have to do with anything?
You know what they say, it feels better if you can point finger on someone when things goes wrong.
On August 22 2011 12:36 mmdmmd wrote: Unconfirmed rumor from wfbrood forum. Korean Air is interested.
Let us pray. I'm tired of hearing bad bw news.
Actually, THAT is bad news.
When the scene is largely upheld by state-owned/sponsored companies like Korean Air and Shinhan, you know there is trouble. Because these companies dont have the strict adherence to the bottom line and money flow of private companies, they can spend without much precautions. But when you see that it is ONLY these kind of companies, or largely only them, who is spending the dough, it becomes apparent how pessimistic real private enterprise is about the utility of promoting esports.
On August 22 2011 18:14 DreamOen wrote: Really sad news lately for the e-sports, blizzard and the rights of the SCII have to be guilty. They should release the SCII rights after the contract with GOMTV is over.
What? What do SC2 rights have to do with anything?
Look, the bottom line is Blizz-vision is being greedy ass and trying to harvest all the money they can from an already struggling enterprise like BW and SC2 proscene. Theyre certainly not making it any better.
On August 22 2011 18:27 RTudoRR wrote: Well the sc2 team at least was a very weak and underachieving one so it's kinda understandable.
Underachieving? Maybe socer and lyn but moon is certainly not doing badly, he may not go well in korea but he stomps foreigners so often he can make up for it.
please please please find a new sponsor. If not, I hope KT throw some money at Baby because it would be great to have my favorite player at my favorite team but I'd rather see the amount of teams remain intact
I really hope that WeMade Fox is able to find a home for their sc2 players, but I guess their roster is small enough that the players can probably all find homes on other teams.
man this sucks. i don't really care about the sc2 side of things as everyone they have is terrible anyways, but i feel sorry for the likes of wooki, hero[join] and others that were coming through. hopefully they find new teams if they can't sort something out to keep it going. i'd really like to see wooki move to stars if they can't.
might trigger some of them to move to ace? thinking mainly midas (mind and major aren't nearly as old as i thought they were)
On August 22 2011 19:03 Telcontar wrote: There are rumours that 2 more teams will close shop by the 31st of this month. Korean netizens are speculating them to be MBC and Samsung.
On August 22 2011 19:03 Telcontar wrote: There are rumours that 2 more teams will close shop by the 31st of this month. Korean netizens are speculating them to be MBC and Samsung.
On August 22 2011 19:03 Telcontar wrote: There are rumours that 2 more teams will close shop by the 31st of this month. Korean netizens are speculating them to be MBC and Samsung.
On August 22 2011 18:06 backtoback wrote: you guys do know that SC2 is disbanding as well, not just SC1... seriously TL posters are unbelievable !
They're just trolls. Ignore them.
On August 22 2011 18:14 DreamOen wrote: Really sad news lately for the e-sports, blizzard and the rights of the SCII have to be guilty. They should release the SCII rights after the contract with GOMTV is over.
What? What do SC2 rights have to do with anything?
Look, the bottom line is Blizz-vision is being greedy ass and trying to harvest all the money they can from an already struggling enterprise like BW and SC2 proscene. Theyre certainly not making it any better.
Except that
A. Blizz lost that lawsuit, so it doesn't affect BW B. WeMadeFOX is a team, not a tournament organizer, so they aren't affected by SC2 broadcast rights.
And I'd hardly call BW "struggling" in an objective sense, seeing as they got 21% of males 16-19 watching the highest-rated TV show in the proleague finals. Maybe it's smaller than it was last year and having troubles as a result, but there's a bit of a step between that and a charity case.
On August 22 2011 19:03 Telcontar wrote: There are rumours that 2 more teams will close shop by the 31st of this month. Korean netizens are speculating them to be MBC and Samsung.
Wow- the dissolution of WeMade has been rumored for months and MBC is understandable given the uncertainty of the TV Station, but even Samsung?! Did the netizens hear/speculate about this before or did the news just come out recently?
On August 22 2011 19:03 Telcontar wrote: There are rumours that 2 more teams will close shop by the 31st of this month. Korean netizens are speculating them to be MBC and Samsung.
Wow- the dissolution of WeMade has been rumored for months and MBC is understandable given the uncertainty of the TV Station, but even Samsung?! Did the netizens hear/speculate about this before or did the news just come out recently?
Yeah, there were some rumours that Samsung was thinking about disbanding before Fox announced their decision, and this article coming out. I'm not sure how accurate and reliable it is though. You know what internet rumours are like.
On August 22 2011 19:03 Telcontar wrote: There are rumours that 2 more teams will close shop by the 31st of this month. Korean netizens are speculating them to be MBC and Samsung.
Wow- the dissolution of WeMade has been rumored for months and MBC is understandable given the uncertainty of the TV Station, but even Samsung?! Did the netizens hear/speculate about this before or did the news just come out recently?
Yeah, there were some rumours that Samsung was thinking about disbanding before Fox announced their decision, and this article coming out. I'm not sure how accurate and reliable it is though. You know what internet rumours are like.
Netizens are just guessing. The only teams not involved in such rumors are the two telecoms.
On August 22 2011 19:03 Telcontar wrote: There are rumours that 2 more teams will close shop by the 31st of this month. Korean netizens are speculating them to be MBC and Samsung.
Wow- the dissolution of WeMade has been rumored for months and MBC is understandable given the uncertainty of the TV Station, but even Samsung?! Did the netizens hear/speculate about this before or did the news just come out recently?
Yeah, there were some rumours that Samsung was thinking about disbanding before Fox announced their decision, and this article coming out. I'm not sure how accurate and reliable it is though. You know what internet rumours are like.
Man I can't believe I came home to see Fox disbanding.....
On August 22 2011 19:03 Telcontar wrote: There are rumours that 2 more teams will close shop by the 31st of this month. Korean netizens are speculating them to be MBC and Samsung.
So, sad as it is, what are the genuine reasons at play here? They don't see a decent enough of a return of investment anymore with a BW team, or a team like WeMadeFox? But I wonder, even though SC2 exists now, I don't see how the bw scene has changed that much for the investments to be worth less? Surely this is an isolated problem for the company of WeMade Fox such that speculation on other companies is pointless; if the speculation proves true then we have to assume the BW scene has diminished to a point that it costs too much to run a team to be worth it and surely is the end of all things.
On August 22 2011 19:38 pksens wrote: So, sad as it is, what are the genuine reasons at play here? They don't see a decent enough of a return of investment anymore with a BW team, or a team like WeMadeFox? But I wonder, even though SC2 exists now, I don't see how the bw scene has changed that much for the investments to be worth less? Surely this is an isolated problem for the company of WeMade Fox such that speculation on other companies is pointless; if the speculation proves true then we have to assume the BW scene has diminished to a point that it costs too much to run a team to be worth it and surely is the end of all things.
After 4-5 years of running a team, companies pulling sponsorship is not unexpected, especially if their new CEOs have little interest in esports, as is the case with Wemade and MBC. The true test will be whether Kespa can find new sponsors for either of these teams. If they can't, then you can probably say that esports (not just BW because it isn't just BW being affected here) in Korea is struggling.
On August 22 2011 18:06 backtoback wrote: you guys do know that SC2 is disbanding as well, not just SC1... seriously TL posters are unbelievable !
They're just trolls. Ignore them.
On August 22 2011 18:14 DreamOen wrote: Really sad news lately for the e-sports, blizzard and the rights of the SCII have to be guilty. They should release the SCII rights after the contract with GOMTV is over.
What? What do SC2 rights have to do with anything?
Look, the bottom line is Blizz-vision is being greedy ass and trying to harvest all the money they can from an already struggling enterprise like BW and SC2 proscene. Theyre certainly not making it any better.
On August 22 2011 18:06 backtoback wrote: you guys do know that SC2 is disbanding as well, not just SC1... seriously TL posters are unbelievable !
They're just trolls. Ignore them.
On August 22 2011 18:14 DreamOen wrote: Really sad news lately for the e-sports, blizzard and the rights of the SCII have to be guilty. They should release the SCII rights after the contract with GOMTV is over.
What? What do SC2 rights have to do with anything?
Look, the bottom line is Blizz-vision is being greedy ass and trying to harvest all the money they can from an already struggling enterprise like BW and SC2 proscene. Theyre certainly not making it any better.
how the hell did blizzard get dragged into this??
Because they forced the BW industry to pay tribute to them. No doubt it is part of the reason for financial distress, as the financial difficulty cascades through the changing preference scales through transactions
On August 22 2011 20:30 infinitum wrote: nooooo what is going to happen to ThorZaIN and Naniwa???
I remember Artosis mentioning that ThorZaIN will leave at the beginning of september, so he won't have problems with that (ok, maybe for 1 week or so) and Nani is probably joining another house, I could imagine. Sad news
Shine should join Woongjin. It has been lonely since our all-in zerg Kwanro left, we need someone to replace him, to breed some diversity and exchange arcane knowledge with the macro-masters Soulkey and Zero.
On August 22 2011 18:06 backtoback wrote: you guys do know that SC2 is disbanding as well, not just SC1... seriously TL posters are unbelievable !
They're just trolls. Ignore them.
On August 22 2011 18:14 DreamOen wrote: Really sad news lately for the e-sports, blizzard and the rights of the SCII have to be guilty. They should release the SCII rights after the contract with GOMTV is over.
What? What do SC2 rights have to do with anything?
Look, the bottom line is Blizz-vision is being greedy ass and trying to harvest all the money they can from an already struggling enterprise like BW and SC2 proscene. Theyre certainly not making it any better.
how the hell did blizzard get dragged into this??
Because they forced the BW industry to pay tribute to them. No doubt it is part of the reason for financial distress, as the financial difficulty cascades through the changing preference scales through transactions
do you have any thing to support this idea? sounds like you're just talking out your ass at this point tbh.
On August 22 2011 18:06 backtoback wrote: you guys do know that SC2 is disbanding as well, not just SC1... seriously TL posters are unbelievable !
They're just trolls. Ignore them.
On August 22 2011 18:14 DreamOen wrote: Really sad news lately for the e-sports, blizzard and the rights of the SCII have to be guilty. They should release the SCII rights after the contract with GOMTV is over.
What? What do SC2 rights have to do with anything?
Look, the bottom line is Blizz-vision is being greedy ass and trying to harvest all the money they can from an already struggling enterprise like BW and SC2 proscene. Theyre certainly not making it any better.
how the hell did blizzard get dragged into this??
Because they forced the BW industry to pay tribute to them. No doubt it is part of the reason for financial distress, as the financial difficulty cascades through the changing preference scales through transactions
do you have any thing to support this idea? sounds like you're just talking out your ass at this point tbh.
Uhh its common knowledge.. That was their out of court agreement - tv channels to display blizz logos and pay tribute for the right to show bw.
On August 22 2011 18:06 backtoback wrote: you guys do know that SC2 is disbanding as well, not just SC1... seriously TL posters are unbelievable !
They're just trolls. Ignore them.
On August 22 2011 18:14 DreamOen wrote: Really sad news lately for the e-sports, blizzard and the rights of the SCII have to be guilty. They should release the SCII rights after the contract with GOMTV is over.
What? What do SC2 rights have to do with anything?
Look, the bottom line is Blizz-vision is being greedy ass and trying to harvest all the money they can from an already struggling enterprise like BW and SC2 proscene. Theyre certainly not making it any better.
how the hell did blizzard get dragged into this??
Because they forced the BW industry to pay tribute to them. No doubt it is part of the reason for financial distress, as the financial difficulty cascades through the changing preference scales through transactions
do you have any thing to support this idea? sounds like you're just talking out your ass at this point tbh.
Uhh its common knowledge.. That was their out of court agreement - tv channels to display blizz logos and pay tribute for the right to show bw.
"pay tribute" I was under the impression blizzard weren't after financial gain, rather recognition, at least according to the articles I read when this was a hot issue. I highly doubt this had anything to do with Fox's e-sports teams disbanding, I think you're just looking for any excuse to point the finger at blizzard.
I was really hoping these rumors weren't true, but it seems they are. This sucks so much, I really really hope that the team can find a new sponsor, otherwise the players will just be drafted by all the other teams and it will be just another step towards the end of BW (which hopefully isn't anytime soon).
I hope Kespa will find a new sponsor, we need to keep the Fox team for Proleague. At least, i'm glad BW has such a solid structure thanks to Kespa, it gives me a glimmer of hope about the future.
Bad news, but maybe some good can come of it. Hopefully WeMade's talent can be distributed amongst the struggling teams, which will give them the extra fire-power they need to be competitive with the top dogs (KT, SKT, CJ).
On August 22 2011 19:03 Telcontar wrote: There are rumours that 2 more teams will close shop by the 31st of this month. Korean netizens are speculating them to be MBC and Samsung.
On August 22 2011 19:03 Telcontar wrote: There are rumours that 2 more teams will close shop by the 31st of this month. Korean netizens are speculating them to be MBC and Samsung.
On August 22 2011 19:03 Telcontar wrote: There are rumours that 2 more teams will close shop by the 31st of this month. Korean netizens are speculating them to be MBC and Samsung.
On August 22 2011 19:03 Telcontar wrote: There are rumours that 2 more teams will close shop by the 31st of this month. Korean netizens are speculating them to be MBC and Samsung.
On August 22 2011 13:36 4vvhiplash7 wrote: This isn't just about the BW pro-team disbanding, its all of Wemades teams disbanding, SC2 WC3 etc. So as far as I can understand it isn't a 'direct' hit on the broodwar scene... i.e. Wemade is not pulling out because BW has no future, but rather because they have another focus...
Long live brood war!!!
Yeah it's worse than that; its that they don't see a future in e-sports PERIOD, which is bad no matter what game you enjoy,
Fox has some pretty good players, Mind is decent at least, Baby has the potential to be S class, Wooki has great potential as well, not to mention the zergs like hero[jOin], shine and roro who're also decent. Please please please may they get picked up by a new sponsor. C'mon Korean Air. Save BW!
On August 22 2011 21:43 nooboon wrote: Ouch. I guess this also means the F.united is breaking up too....unless GOM decides to invite another 4 foreigners to join the team.
Technically if SaSe is allowed to join the team, they have th 4 required players.
Also, since HuK no longer plays for TLoGs, he could probably play for F.UN.
On August 22 2011 20:30 infinitum wrote: nooooo what is going to happen to ThorZaIN and Naniwa???
I remember Artosis mentioning that ThorZaIN will leave at the beginning of september, so he won't have problems with that (ok, maybe for 1 week or so) and Nani is probably joining another house, I could imagine. Sad news
On August 22 2011 11:16 Milkis wrote: Today, WeMade Entertainment announced that they will no longer be operating their progaming team, FOX, at August 31st.
WeMade expanded into e-Sports in 2007, when they had expanded their operations as they added other operations. However, at the end of last year, the company had decided to concentrate on their original goal of developing games.
While they had tried to find solutions, including the possible sale of the team, but as selling the team had become difficult, they had to make the difficult decision of ceasing operation of the WeMade Fox Progaming Team.
This decision applies to all the teams operated by WeMade, not just BW, but SC2/WC3 also.
Addendum: DES reports that the WeMade has asked KeSPA to manage the Brood War team. This means either find a new sponsor for the team, or to do what they had done with ESTRO last year.
Sad to say I'm not one bit shocked by this considering all the rumors floating around Moon, Lyn and Soccer. We knew this day was coming and they couldn't chime in on it. Really sucks, but it's a real challenge finding a buyer and sponsors for the leagues nowadays.
On August 22 2011 22:36 TriZen wrote: I hope someone buys their gamer house, its amazing lol.
All good things come to an end. Its unfortunate for the players and staff of WeMade, hope they find solutions easily
They already said they've been looking and searching for someone to buy the team but to no avail. -_-
On August 22 2011 22:35 SolidGasPro wrote: Imagine though, just theoretically speaking, only KT and SKT are left.
Everyday we would have an epic match like in the recent finals
You cannot have a league with so few teams. People would grow tiresome.
On August 22 2011 21:43 nooboon wrote: Ouch. I guess this also means the F.united is breaking up too....unless GOM decides to invite another 4 foreigners to join the team.
Technically if SaSe is allowed to join the team, they have th 4 required players.
Also, since HuK no longer plays for TLoGs, he could probably play for F.UN.
On August 22 2011 19:03 Telcontar wrote: There are rumours that 2 more teams will close shop by the 31st of this month. Korean netizens are speculating them to be MBC and Samsung.
I do not want this to happen... hope for the best, prepare for the worst.
We already knew this from before regarding MBC. Once the channel closes shop, so will the team. Samsung is new to me though and it's odd considering they are the main sponsor of WCG. In either case... -_-
WemadeFox was one of my favourite teams in BW, really liked the name... <.< Whenever I read it, I thought of the BW professionals hand making fox plushies in their team house.
On August 22 2011 21:43 nooboon wrote: Ouch. I guess this also means the F.united is breaking up too....unless GOM decides to invite another 4 foreigners to join the team.
Technically if SaSe is allowed to join the team, they have th 4 required players.
Also, since HuK no longer plays for TLoGs, he could probably play for F.UN.
It's possible they'll find a new sponsor, and if not should move on to new teams. Honestly, while the loss of any team is sad, given the huge differences in performance between teams this year, getting some of the talent on Fox to join Oz/Khan/STX/MBC would probably be good for the game as a whole.
In very short amount of time we saw fOu merging with FXO, WMF disbanding and rumors about ZENEX also ready do dissolve. That's 3 teams less in less than a month:|
I'm worried that BW is doomed, and SC2 is not getting better in Korea, and eventually both will die. It feels as if the scene would be better with only one of them, either BW or SC2.
On August 23 2011 01:17 Xiphos wrote: didn't someone say that if WeMade disband, Korean Air will sponsor Fox?
It's just a speculation. It is said that Korean Air owner or whatever is Fox fan. So it is possible, but nothing with certainty. Also this probably would only apply for BW team.
On August 23 2011 01:17 Xiphos wrote: didn't someone say that if WeMade disband, Korean Air will sponsor Fox?
It's just a speculation. It is said that Korean Air owner or whatever is Fox fan. So it is possible, but nothing with certainty. Also this probably would only apply for BW team.
Korean Air is one of their sponsors but whether they'll take over the operating rights of the team is the big question. I hope so anyway.
I'm getting seriously worried about the fate of pro BW. I hope the good ratings pulled in by PL finals will make some heads turn and Our Game is saved.
On August 22 2011 12:24 Romantic wrote: So why do people come on the BW forum and root for the demise of BW so everyone can go to SC2? Some decency, man.
Community News section means everyone on the site can see this instead of it being hidden in one of the subforums.
On August 22 2011 21:43 nooboon wrote: Ouch. I guess this also means the F.united is breaking up too....unless GOM decides to invite another 4 foreigners to join the team.
Technically if SaSe is allowed to join the team, they have th 4 required players.
Also, since HuK no longer plays for TLoGs, he could probably play for F.UN.
I wouldn't be surprised if next season, EG picks up the foreigner players for a run at the team league. I don't know how many of them are actually IN korea, but at least Inc/HuK/Idra... That, along with whoever the next set of ferigners to come over from MLG are should field a full team ezpz.
Personally I think this is a good thing, the team has been to small and they have shown no interest in recruiting more talent. There can be no such thing as a semi pro team at the top levels anymore.
Sad news for BW fans i can only hope if this trend keep happening that it means they are switching over to newer games and not pulling out of eports for good lets all hope
On August 23 2011 03:50 SevenAteNine wrote: Sad news for BW fans i can only hope if this trend keep happening that it means they are switching over to newer games and not pulling out of eports for good lets all hope
You hope esports organizations keep falling? This is not an effort to get players to sc2. FOX already had sc2 players (who are also affected by this). "not pulling out of eports for good" well, that's exactly what WeMade FOX (or their sponsors rather) just did.
On August 23 2011 03:50 SevenAteNine wrote: Sad news for BW fans i can only hope if this trend keep happening that it means they are switching over to newer games and not pulling out of eports for good lets all hope
You hope esports organizations keep falling? This is not an effort to get players to sc2. FOX already had sc2 players (who are also affected by this). "not pulling out of eports for good" well, that's exactly what WeMade FOX (or their sponsors rather) just did.
1. Read his post again. 2. Reconsider. 3. Apologize.
On August 23 2011 03:50 SevenAteNine wrote: Sad news for BW fans i can only hope if this trend keep happening that it means they are switching over to newer games and not pulling out of eports for good lets all hope
You hope esports organizations keep falling? This is not an effort to get players to sc2. FOX already had sc2 players (who are also affected by this). "not pulling out of eports for good" well, that's exactly what WeMade FOX (or their sponsors rather) just did.
1. Read his post again. 2. Reconsider. 3. Apologize.
Right, let's break it down for the insane: "i can only hope if this trend keep happening" no, let's not. "that it means they are switching over to newer games" but they're not... "and not pulling out of eports for good" but that's exactly what they did. "lets all hope" sure, let's hope, but not for what you just mentioned.
On August 23 2011 03:50 SevenAteNine wrote: Sad news for BW fans i can only hope if this trend keep happening that it means they are switching over to newer games and not pulling out of eports for good lets all hope
You hope esports organizations keep falling? This is not an effort to get players to sc2. FOX already had sc2 players (who are also affected by this). "not pulling out of eports for good" well, that's exactly what WeMade FOX (or their sponsors rather) just did.
let me fix this so you can understand
Sad news for BW fans i can only hope IF this trend keep happening that it means they are switching over to newer games and not pulling out of eports for good lets all hope
On August 23 2011 03:50 SevenAteNine wrote: Sad news for BW fans i can only hope if this trend keep happening that it means they are switching over to newer games and not pulling out of eports for good lets all hope
You hope esports organizations keep falling? This is not an effort to get players to sc2. FOX already had sc2 players (who are also affected by this). "not pulling out of eports for good" well, that's exactly what WeMade FOX (or their sponsors rather) just did.
1. Read his post again. 2. Reconsider. 3. Apologize.
Right, let's break it down for the insane: "i can only hope if this trend keep happening" no, let's not. "that it means they are switching over to newer games" but they're not... "and not pulling out of eports for good" but that's exactly what they did. "lets all hope" sure, let's hope, but not for what you just mentioned.
He's not saying he hopes that this keeps happening, but that IF it keeps happening, he's hoping that they're switching to newer games rather than just stopping completely. Ideally, he'd rather it not happen at all.
On August 23 2011 03:50 SevenAteNine wrote: Sad news for BW fans i can only hope if this trend keep happening that it means they are switching over to newer games and not pulling out of eports for good lets all hope
You hope esports organizations keep falling? This is not an effort to get players to sc2. FOX already had sc2 players (who are also affected by this). "not pulling out of eports for good" well, that's exactly what WeMade FOX (or their sponsors rather) just did.
let me fix this so you can understand
Sad news for BW fans i can only hope IF this trend keep happening that it means they are switching over to newer games and not pulling out of eports for good lets all hope
"IF", but the organization has already pulled out... + Show Spoiler +
Something Reach would never do
There's is no IF. One can only hope that some other organization some to the rescue with a sponsorship. And even if that happens I personally don't hope any of the players switch games against their will.
Edit: lol, I think I finally understood it right. So if this trend continues for organizations in the future, you would rather they go on to newer games instead of totally disbanding, right? Well, that doesn't sound as bad then.. I still partially disagree though; I don't want entire teams or even single players to switch to a different game against their will. (kinda like I already mentioned in the post below)
Your post is also flawed in the sense that FOX already had an sc2 team - and I don't think this in any way is game specific - bw is doing pretty damn well in South Korea.
On August 23 2011 03:50 SevenAteNine wrote: Sad news for BW fans i can only hope if this trend keep happening that it means they are switching over to newer games and not pulling out of eports for good lets all hope
You hope esports organizations keep falling? This is not an effort to get players to sc2. FOX already had sc2 players (who are also affected by this). "not pulling out of eports for good" well, that's exactly what WeMade FOX (or their sponsors rather) just did.
1. Read his post again. 2. Reconsider. 3. Apologize.
Right, let's break it down for the insane: "i can only hope if this trend keep happening" no, let's not. "that it means they are switching over to newer games" but they're not... "and not pulling out of eports for good" but that's exactly what they did. "lets all hope" sure, let's hope, but not for what you just mentioned.
He's not saying he hopes that this keeps happening, but that IF it keeps happening, he's hoping that they're switching to newer games rather than just stopping completely. Ideally, he'd rather it not happen at all.
He'd rather this didn't happen at all? I guess we're reading the post totally differently then.. That's what you get for terrible grammar.
and I don't think there's much hope of Korean Air sponsoring a team when the league itself is dying in front of their eyes. This plus rumors of MBC could be the end of the proleague ((((((
On August 23 2011 03:50 SevenAteNine wrote: Sad news for BW fans i can only hope if this trend keep happening that it means they are switching over to newer games and not pulling out of eports for good lets all hope
You hope esports organizations keep falling? This is not an effort to get players to sc2. FOX already had sc2 players (who are also affected by this). "not pulling out of eports for good" well, that's exactly what WeMade FOX (or their sponsors rather) just did.
1. Read his post again. 2. Reconsider. 3. Apologize.
Right, let's break it down for the insane: "i can only hope if this trend keep happening" no, let's not. "that it means they are switching over to newer games" but they're not... "and not pulling out of eports for good" but that's exactly what they did. "lets all hope" sure, let's hope, but not for what you just mentioned.
He's not saying he hopes that this keeps happening, but that IF it keeps happening, he's hoping that they're switching to newer games rather than just stopping completely. Ideally, he'd rather it not happen at all.
He'd rather this didn't happen at all? I guess we're reading the post totally differently then.. That's what you get for terrible grammar.
On August 23 2011 03:50 SevenAteNine wrote: Sad news for BW fans i can only hope if this trend keep happening that it means they are switching over to newer games and not pulling out of eports for good lets all hope
You hope esports organizations keep falling? This is not an effort to get players to sc2. FOX already had sc2 players (who are also affected by this). "not pulling out of eports for good" well, that's exactly what WeMade FOX (or their sponsors rather) just did.
1. Read his post again. 2. Reconsider. 3. Apologize.
Right, let's break it down for the insane: "i can only hope if this trend keep happening" no, let's not. "that it means they are switching over to newer games" but they're not... "and not pulling out of eports for good" but that's exactly what they did. "lets all hope" sure, let's hope, but not for what you just mentioned.
He's not saying he hopes that this keeps happening, but that IF it keeps happening, he's hoping that they're switching to newer games rather than just stopping completely. Ideally, he'd rather it not happen at all.
He'd rather this didn't happen at all? I guess we're reading the post totally differently then.. That's what you get for terrible grammar.
Dig yourself deeper.
Look bro both games are suffering 'cause of this. Its no time for fits and arguments between BW and SC2. Its time to stick together as brothers, because its tough times for both games, with the korean industry in trouble.
What's with kids ragging on Xsebt correcting an obviously grammatically incorrect post? Even after a couple of glances it still looks like the man is praying for BW's demise not unlike a previous guy at the beginning of this thread.
On August 22 2011 22:46 StarStruck wrote: The EG players would be playing for F United.
Eh, I'm guessing you're just making this assumption.
You cannot have 3 players on your team in order to compete in the GSTL. They would have no other alternative to compete without signing another player, which they could easily do.
i think baby needs to go to skt. him and fantasy have similar harass styles and a second supporting terran should help them a lot, especially since skt only has 1 good vZ player.
seriously though, this has been a very long time coming, in fact it's surprising thatFOX waited this long to take action.
It would be awesome to see all of those guys, War3 and BW, to switch over to SC2, although I suspect that the star players and solid A-teamers will stick to BW since it's a more secure salary at the moment.
On August 22 2011 11:33 TranceStorm wrote: NOOOOOOO!!! I've spent years supporting them despite their mediocre performances in Proleague. When Mind won the MSL over Bisu, I felt such a sense of accomplishment and have felt the same hope for players like Shine, Pure, Roro, and Baby. Such a shame that they have to disband now :o(.
Even if Wemade wasnt #1, Always #1 in my heart. Always voted for them when i liquibetted.
On August 23 2011 05:59 KiLL_ORdeR wrote: LiquidBaby anyone?
seriously though, this has been a very long time coming, in fact it's surprising thatFOX waited this long to take action.
It would be awesome to see all of those guys, War3 and BW, to switch over to SC2, although I suspect that the star players and solid A-teamers will stick to BW since it's a more secure salary at the moment.
Shut. The. Fuck. Up.
Shut the fuck up.
Seriously, not in this thread. You will make people angry. Observe.
On August 23 2011 05:59 KiLL_ORdeR wrote: LiquidBaby anyone?
seriously though, this has been a very long time coming, in fact it's surprising thatFOX waited this long to take action.
It would be awesome to see all of those guys, War3 and BW, to switch over to SC2, although I suspect that the star players and solid A-teamers will stick to BW since it's a more secure salary at the moment.
Shut. The. Fuck. Up.
Shut the fuck up.
Seriously, not in this thread. You will make people angry. Observe.
Chill out, he ment player who appeared as baby in tlpdizer. It would be LiquidTy
On August 23 2011 05:59 KiLL_ORdeR wrote: LiquidBaby anyone?
seriously though, this has been a very long time coming, in fact it's surprising thatFOX waited this long to take action.
It would be awesome to see all of those guys, War3 and BW, to switch over to SC2, although I suspect that the star players and solid A-teamers will stick to BW since it's a more secure salary at the moment.
See these are the kinda comments we don't need in this thread. Please re-evaluate yourself before you post like this again. On a side note I think it sucks that wemade fox is disbanding. I also hope that rumor about other teams disbanding isn't true. =(
I think it's about time some big korean company to begin sponsoring a new team! SAMSUNG has a team so big korean companies just go! Do it! LG, KIA, HYUNDAI ... etc! ASAP!
MBC and FOX disbanding ... cannot bare any more really! Another sad day for BroodWar!
SC2 comments are just as bad here as they were in the MBC thread. We. Get. It.
Edit :
If Samsung disbands...I really hope it's just rumors...because JangBi and Stork need to be in my BW. I can't imagine only having Bisu to cheer for as a Protoss fan.
Edit 2: I didn't realize WeMades SC2 teams disbanded too. NVM then, SCII comments are relevant...still don't like the immediate assumption that BW ---> SC2 though...
Fuck.. that's horrible. I remember there was a thread where everyone dismissed it as a rumor, but I guess it's really true. I hope Soccer/Moon/Lyn all find good homes.
On August 23 2011 06:33 radadaundandan wrote: I think it's about time some big korean company to begin sponsoring a new team! SAMSUNG has a team so big korean companies just go! Do it! LG, KIA, HYUNDAI ... etc! ASAP!
MBC and FOX disbanding ... cannot bare any more really! Another sad day for BroodWar!
Uhh 16-19 year old koreans will go buy their automobiles? No. They spend their allowance on tech gadgets and cell phone bill like samsung, olleh, kt, skt... and on food and cool kids clothing like CJ and hwaseung and tubes. Where do STX and Woongjin fit in this? I have no fucking idea, surprised to see their management choose this path.
On August 22 2011 11:33 TranceStorm wrote: NOOOOOOO!!! I've spent years supporting them despite their mediocre performances in Proleague. When Mind won the MSL over Bisu, I felt such a sense of accomplishment and have felt the same hope for players like Shine, Pure, Roro, and Baby. Such a shame that they have to disband now :o(.
Even if Wemade wasnt #1, Always #1 in my heart. Always voted for them when i liquibetted.
If it's the same as it was for Estro and Hite, you'll be able to keep your wemade icon but if you switch off of it you won't ever be able to switch back.
On August 23 2011 06:01 arb wrote: I get to keep my WeMade Icon right?
RIP.
On August 22 2011 11:33 TranceStorm wrote: NOOOOOOO!!! I've spent years supporting them despite their mediocre performances in Proleague. When Mind won the MSL over Bisu, I felt such a sense of accomplishment and have felt the same hope for players like Shine, Pure, Roro, and Baby. Such a shame that they have to disband now :o(.
Even if Wemade wasnt #1, Always #1 in my heart. Always voted for them when i liquibetted.
If it's the same as it was for Estro and Hite, you'll be able to keep your wemade icon but if you switch off of it you won't ever be able to switch back.
On August 23 2011 06:01 arb wrote: I get to keep my WeMade Icon right?
RIP.
On August 22 2011 11:33 TranceStorm wrote: NOOOOOOO!!! I've spent years supporting them despite their mediocre performances in Proleague. When Mind won the MSL over Bisu, I felt such a sense of accomplishment and have felt the same hope for players like Shine, Pure, Roro, and Baby. Such a shame that they have to disband now :o(.
Even if Wemade wasnt #1, Always #1 in my heart. Always voted for them when i liquibetted.
If it's the same as it was for Estro and Hite, you'll be able to keep your wemade icon but if you switch off of it you won't ever be able to switch back.
Don't worry it wont change.
So hopefully it'll stay unless your change it(which im not going to)
On August 23 2011 06:51 Nazeron wrote: Sad, wonder what will happen with all the players
For the Brood War players, they will be put under KeSPA stewardship and be able to practice at the YongSong I-Park E-Sports stadium for a limited time while they try to find a different sponsor (usually for the duration of the SPL off-season). If this does not happen, the players will be drafted to different teams based on how much they're willing to pay for that player (and if two teams bid on a player, the one with the highest gets that player). If a player does not get picked up by a different team, then they will probably have to retire.
For WC3 and SC2, it's not known. The current head coach and/or WeMade staff will discuss and help with individual plans for those players. They will probably also join the BW players at the YongSong stadium for practice (though not sure if their computers are up-to-date for SC2).
Their best players like Mind and Moon will most definitely be picked up by different teams.
On August 23 2011 06:32 Copymizer wrote: New influx of bw players trying their luck in SC2 maybe?
Doubt it. Maybe a few of the B-teamers who still wanna play games for a living but can't find a place to go. I get the feeling most Brood War pros play Brood War because they like the game, not because they want to make a lot of money. They might take it as the change they need to start their life in a more reliable career/education/etc. I don't think any of the A-teamers are planning on switching to SC2 tho, since they'll have the ability to play on other teams.
It's weird how many SC2 players think SC2 is the natural progression. For a lot of people, especially everyone who doesn't play it, it's really not that attractive. Maybe I shouldn't, but I do find it offensive when SC2 players see some trouble in the BW community and immediately pounce on it to say "HEY MAYBE EVERYONE WILL MOVE TO SC2 LOL." Maybe this is a Brood War forum and no one cares about how it will affect SC2. Why do you even browse BW if all you have to talk about is SC2? There's no rule against this, but it gets tiring hearing it every time there is any news in the BW community. Hey Flash is a free agent do you think he'll join SC2??? KLOLAFWEWEFA@W#
On August 23 2011 06:01 arb wrote: I get to keep my WeMade Icon right?
RIP.
On August 22 2011 11:33 TranceStorm wrote: NOOOOOOO!!! I've spent years supporting them despite their mediocre performances in Proleague. When Mind won the MSL over Bisu, I felt such a sense of accomplishment and have felt the same hope for players like Shine, Pure, Roro, and Baby. Such a shame that they have to disband now :o(.
Even if Wemade wasnt #1, Always #1 in my heart. Always voted for them when i liquibetted.
If it's the same as it was for Estro and Hite, you'll be able to keep your wemade icon but if you switch off of it you won't ever be able to switch back.
There's a certain someone who's somehow able to switch between estro and sparky.
It's hard being a BW fan these days because of so many bad news =(... I really hope that WeMade is bought by another sponsor, but in event of a draft, I'll be pissed if KT and SKT picks up likes of Baby, Roro, Mind, etc., That will make the PL a 2 horse race and just about guarantee another SKT vs KT final (unless CJ pulls through) which will encourage more sponsors to leave BW. I hope instead of bidding war, Kespa give the team who finished last the first pick, second last the second pick, and so on to make the league more competitive.
On August 22 2011 21:43 nooboon wrote: Ouch. I guess this also means the F.united is breaking up too....unless GOM decides to invite another 4 foreigners to join the team.
Technically if SaSe is allowed to join the team, they have th 4 required players.
Also, since HuK no longer plays for TLoGs, he could probably play for F.UN.
paging cArn
eG is setting up a Korea house. I wouldn't be surprised to see eG replace FOX in F United. It would certainly help F United's chances, because the WeMADE are fucking awful at SC2, to the point where they were embarrassing the foreigner half of the team :/. The WeMade SC2 players are basically done with SC2. Who wants to pay money for Moon or Lyn in SC2?
On August 23 2011 05:59 KiLL_ORdeR wrote: LiquidBaby anyone?
seriously though, this has been a very long time coming, in fact it's surprising thatFOX waited this long to take action.
It would be awesome to see all of those guys, War3 and BW, to switch over to SC2, although I suspect that the star players and solid A-teamers will stick to BW since it's a more secure salary at the moment.
Shut. The. Fuck. Up.
Shut the fuck up.
Seriously, not in this thread. You will make people angry. Observe.
Chill out, he ment player who appeared as baby in tlpdizer. It would be LiquidTy
On August 23 2011 07:32 Ribbon wrote: eG is setting up a Korea house. I wouldn't be surprised to see eG replace FOX in F United. It would certainly help F United's chances, because the WeMADE are fucking awful at SC2, to the point where they were embarrassing the foreigner half of the team :/. The WeMade SC2 players are basically done with SC2. Who wants to pay money for Moon or Lyn in SC2?
Moon played the best out of the entire F.United team against SlayerS, actually. Lyn and Soccer were pretty horrible, though, but I guess not everyone can be game-juggling genies like Moon. That said, Lyn and Soccer clearly have the potential to do well in SC2; Lyn was in Code S up until a while ago and made it to the last round of the Code A qualifiers this past month while practicing for the WCG Korean qualifiers. Soccer has made it through the Code A qualifiers before as well, so he has talent and must have at least one good match-up.
On August 22 2011 21:43 nooboon wrote: Ouch. I guess this also means the F.united is breaking up too....unless GOM decides to invite another 4 foreigners to join the team.
Technically if SaSe is allowed to join the team, they have th 4 required players.
Also, since HuK no longer plays for TLoGs, he could probably play for F.UN.
paging cArn
eG is setting up a Korea house. I wouldn't be surprised to see eG replace FOX in F United. It would certainly help F United's chances, because the WeMADE are fucking awful at SC2, to the point where they were embarrassing the foreigner half of the team :/. The WeMade SC2 players are basically done with SC2. Who wants to pay money for Moon or Lyn in SC2?
Proleague final was not the highest rated show on television. It was the highest for a cable channel with 1.777% viewership. In comparision, popular dramas and shows aired on non-cable (i dunno what the correct term is in English) often average above 20%. I don't think how much Flash's contract is worth is the best indicator for how BW scene as a whole is doing. Professional BW, like many other industries, is a pyramid. Very few at the top make a lot of money, but there are a lot more B-teamers and practice partners at the bottom who make next to nothing. The total funding that BW receives has definitely dropped a lot over the last few years.
On August 22 2011 17:21 thepuppyassassin wrote: Sad.. But on a brighter note, there may be a bunch of new recruits for sc2 teams.
I think some mods ought to put a "sc2 bw flame igniting=ban" in this thread
Don't see why you'd think it is sc2 bw flame igniting, I think you have a very incorrect impression of SC2 fans if you think that wanting players to go to another game is baiting.
Did you consider he just wants to see his favourite brood war players play his favourite game?...Not everyone is out to destroy the world, sir.
That much is obvious. He simply thought it was tactless and posts like it could start a problem.
The desire is fine. It can become baiting depending where and how it is expressed.
I can see moon lyn and soccer making a deal with EG so they can stay and practice with EG in their new team house. But not officially be part of EG so they won't receive salaries from EG.
Ok so Saintsnorlax i think that it Waxangel just posted a rumor on twitter that 2 other teams will be following Wemadefox
SaintSnorlax Kwanghee Woo Korean paper reporting that two more Brood War pro teams are gonna follow WeMade and go under... just a rumor for now: bit.ly/pQR3Xs
On August 23 2011 06:01 arb wrote: I get to keep my WeMade Icon right?
RIP.
On August 22 2011 11:33 TranceStorm wrote: NOOOOOOO!!! I've spent years supporting them despite their mediocre performances in Proleague. When Mind won the MSL over Bisu, I felt such a sense of accomplishment and have felt the same hope for players like Shine, Pure, Roro, and Baby. Such a shame that they have to disband now :o(.
Even if Wemade wasnt #1, Always #1 in my heart. Always voted for them when i liquibetted.
If it's the same as it was for Estro and Hite, you'll be able to keep your wemade icon but if you switch off of it you won't ever be able to switch back.
There's a certain someone who's somehow able to switch between estro and sparky.
On August 23 2011 06:32 Copymizer wrote: New influx of bw players trying their luck in SC2 maybe?
Doubt it. Maybe a few of the B-teamers who still wanna play games for a living but can't find a place to go. I get the feeling most Brood War pros play Brood War because they like the game, not because they want to make a lot of money. They might take it as the change they need to start their life in a more reliable career/education/etc. I don't think any of the A-teamers are planning on switching to SC2 tho, since they'll have the ability to play on other teams.
It's weird how many SC2 players think SC2 is the natural progression. For a lot of people, especially everyone who doesn't play it, it's really not that attractive. Maybe I shouldn't, but I do find it offensive when SC2 players see some trouble in the BW community and immediately pounce on it to say "HEY MAYBE EVERYONE WILL MOVE TO SC2 LOL." Maybe this is a Brood War forum and no one cares about how it will affect SC2. Why do you even browse BW if all you have to talk about is SC2? There's no rule against this, but it gets tiring hearing it every time there is any news in the BW community. Hey Flash is a free agent do you think he'll join SC2??? KLOLAFWEWEFA@W#
the reason there are a lot of sc2 people in this thread is because it was community news'd.
On August 23 2011 06:32 Copymizer wrote: New influx of bw players trying their luck in SC2 maybe?
Doubt it. Maybe a few of the B-teamers who still wanna play games for a living but can't find a place to go. I get the feeling most Brood War pros play Brood War because they like the game, not because they want to make a lot of money. They might take it as the change they need to start their life in a more reliable career/education/etc. I don't think any of the A-teamers are planning on switching to SC2 tho, since they'll have the ability to play on other teams.
It's weird how many SC2 players think SC2 is the natural progression. For a lot of people, especially everyone who doesn't play it, it's really not that attractive. Maybe I shouldn't, but I do find it offensive when SC2 players see some trouble in the BW community and immediately pounce on it to say "HEY MAYBE EVERYONE WILL MOVE TO SC2 LOL." Maybe this is a Brood War forum and no one cares about how it will affect SC2. Why do you even browse BW if all you have to talk about is SC2? There's no rule against this, but it gets tiring hearing it every time there is any news in the BW community. Hey Flash is a free agent do you think he'll join SC2??? KLOLAFWEWEFA@W#
the reason there are a lot of sc2 people in this thread is because it was community news'd.
Any news that affects both communities will be trolled. I think maybe this thread should been posted in the BW section AND the SC2 section, separately.
Fuck man, so the rumors are true.. That one topic which I reported and zatic closed has come to fruition.. I think everyone in that thread was so saddened by the truth.. where are these gamers going to go
This really sucks for the RTS scene in general, but even if the rumors are true and two more teams are on the decline, the pro BW scene isn't going anywhere soon.
Flash re-signed with KT for what, 250k? And the most SPL finals pulled record viewership - and from a young generation as well.
My favorite team.. Since Toona S.G. to Pantech & Curitel to Pantech EX to WeMade Fox =[
I wonder what will happen to each of them And I wish I had a picture on this computer of the WeMade shirts on the wall behind the desktop, with my banner above them and WeMade Fox mousepad under my mouse. And I constantly wear my Fox bandana as well =[
That sucks! I hope Thorzain, Naniwa, and Fenix can find a permanent home next month! I hope the other Wemade players find a new home quickly. I wouldn't be surprised if a foreign team like FXO swoops them up.
On August 23 2011 09:38 Valentine wrote: My favorite team.. Since Toona S.G. to Pantech & Curitel to Pantech EX to WeMade Fox =[
I wonder what will happen to each of them And I wish I had a picture on this computer of the WeMade shirts on the wall behind the desktop, with my banner above them and WeMade Fox mousepad under my mouse. And I constantly wear my Fox bandana as well =[
Hopefully KeSPA can find a home for your team. :/
Likewise, I have faith in MBC to continue their production on one of their other channels and keep the team together, but we can only hope.
On August 23 2011 06:32 Copymizer wrote: New influx of bw players trying their luck in SC2 maybe?
Doubt it. Maybe a few of the B-teamers who still wanna play games for a living but can't find a place to go. I get the feeling most Brood War pros play Brood War because they like the game, not because they want to make a lot of money. They might take it as the change they need to start their life in a more reliable career/education/etc. I don't think any of the A-teamers are planning on switching to SC2 tho, since they'll have the ability to play on other teams.
It's weird how many SC2 players think SC2 is the natural progression. For a lot of people, especially everyone who doesn't play it, it's really not that attractive. Maybe I shouldn't, but I do find it offensive when SC2 players see some trouble in the BW community and immediately pounce on it to say "HEY MAYBE EVERYONE WILL MOVE TO SC2 LOL." Maybe this is a Brood War forum and no one cares about how it will affect SC2. Why do you even browse BW if all you have to talk about is SC2? There's no rule against this, but it gets tiring hearing it every time there is any news in the BW community. Hey Flash is a free agent do you think he'll join SC2??? KLOLAFWEWEFA@W#
Maybe you haven't heard of them but there are SC2 players like Moon on that team. This is community news, not just BW news.
If you are seriously bothered by people speculating whether certain BW pros will switch to SC2 even after their team has disbanded, then it's probably a personal problem. People have switched before, obviously, so it's legit speculation to wonder if it will happen again, given the circumstances.
Good players will soon be available in abundance and some teams might have enough money to pick up some of them. I'm curious whether those teams will pick up good players or rely on promising rookies and/or less-than-stellar veterans.
For example, Woongjin has hOn_sin (decent rookie), as well as GuemChi, free, and Really (under-performing veterans). I doubt they'll bench these guys for potential newcomers like BaBy and Shuttle. Woongjin has a large enough team already (the above four minus free are second-liners) and there's that loyalty between the coach and his current players.
On August 23 2011 06:32 Copymizer wrote: New influx of bw players trying their luck in SC2 maybe?
Doubt it. Maybe a few of the B-teamers who still wanna play games for a living but can't find a place to go. I get the feeling most Brood War pros play Brood War because they like the game, not because they want to make a lot of money. They might take it as the change they need to start their life in a more reliable career/education/etc. I don't think any of the A-teamers are planning on switching to SC2 tho, since they'll have the ability to play on other teams.
It's weird how many SC2 players think SC2 is the natural progression. For a lot of people, especially everyone who doesn't play it, it's really not that attractive. Maybe I shouldn't, but I do find it offensive when SC2 players see some trouble in the BW community and immediately pounce on it to say "HEY MAYBE EVERYONE WILL MOVE TO SC2 LOL." Maybe this is a Brood War forum and no one cares about how it will affect SC2. Why do you even browse BW if all you have to talk about is SC2? There's no rule against this, but it gets tiring hearing it every time there is any news in the BW community. Hey Flash is a free agent do you think he'll join SC2??? KLOLAFWEWEFA@W#
Maybe you haven't heard of them but there are SC2 players like Moon on that team. This is community news, not just BW news.
If you are seriously bothered by people speculating whether certain BW pros will switch to SC2 even after their team has disbanded, then it's probably a personal problem. People have switched before, obviously, so it's legit speculation to wonder if it will happen again, given the circumstances.
I maintain that no Brood War player will switch to SC2 while still A-list in BW. It'll always only be B-listers looking to see if they do better in a different game, or former A-listers trying to regain lost glory in a new environment
On August 23 2011 13:21 domane wrote: Good players will soon be available in abundance and some teams might have enough money to pick up some of them. I'm curious whether those teams will pick up good players or rely on promising rookies and/or less-than-stellar veterans.
For example, Woongjin has hOn_sin (decent rookie), as well as GuemChi, free, and Really (under-performing veterans). I doubt they'll bench these guys for potential newcomers like BaBy and Shuttle. Woongjin has a large enough team already (the above four minus free are second-liners) and there's that loyalty between the coach and his current players.
Really retired, Free is in a perpetual slump, Sin didn't win a single playoff game, and Guemchi is pretty bad now. After Light transferred into Stars, he went directly into the lineup and stayed there. However, while I would love to have baby, mind, and Wooki aboard, I would rather have the former FOX find a new sponsor and keep all their players. There is no shortage of kids wanting to be progamers, and there will be talents to be discovered. If, however, we get less teams and the remaining teams absorb the current ones, there will be no demand for new blood and less cash to flow around.
On August 23 2011 09:19 Taryssa wrote: Flash resigned with KT for what, 250k?
Damn, put a hyphen in there or something, nearly gave me a heart-attack. :p
I believe knowledgeable persons were talking about this in Fox's last STX Cup match LR thread and saying the daughter of the Korean Air CEO was a major fan, and Korean Air would be likely to take them on if needed.
On August 16 2011 21:26 hmmm... wrote: i just realized many of you complaining about baby's late gg timing.
baby couldn't leave easily because this is quite possibly the last game ever for wemade fox. if you looked carefully, you would have seen baby tear up at the end. i would hope people would think before they talk next time.
What?Fox can easily get a new sponsor seeing as the head honcho of KA loves the team.
On August 16 2011 21:46 TheOnly92 wrote: But wemade fox is under wemade aren't they? Unless another company comes in and form another team, otherwise this might really be the last game...
like I said its very likely that if Wemade stops sponsoring Fox then Korean Air would.
On August 23 2011 06:32 Copymizer wrote: New influx of bw players trying their luck in SC2 maybe?
Doubt it. Maybe a few of the B-teamers who still wanna play games for a living but can't find a place to go. I get the feeling most Brood War pros play Brood War because they like the game, not because they want to make a lot of money. They might take it as the change they need to start their life in a more reliable career/education/etc. I don't think any of the A-teamers are planning on switching to SC2 tho, since they'll have the ability to play on other teams.
It's weird how many SC2 players think SC2 is the natural progression. For a lot of people, especially everyone who doesn't play it, it's really not that attractive. Maybe I shouldn't, but I do find it offensive when SC2 players see some trouble in the BW community and immediately pounce on it to say "HEY MAYBE EVERYONE WILL MOVE TO SC2 LOL." Maybe this is a Brood War forum and no one cares about how it will affect SC2. Why do you even browse BW if all you have to talk about is SC2? There's no rule against this, but it gets tiring hearing it every time there is any news in the BW community. Hey Flash is a free agent do you think he'll join SC2??? KLOLAFWEWEFA@W#
Maybe you haven't heard of them but there are SC2 players like Moon on that team. This is community news, not just BW news.
If you are seriously bothered by people speculating whether certain BW pros will switch to SC2 even after their team has disbanded, then it's probably a personal problem. People have switched before, obviously, so it's legit speculation to wonder if it will happen again, given the circumstances.
Even when eSTRO and Hite Sparkyz disbanded (or merged in the latter case) only one player from each team went to SC2 and that was when people still thought SC2 was gonna be big in Korea so don't get your hopes up for a mass influx
Even when eSTRO and Hite Sparkyz disbanded (or merged in the latter case) only one player from each team went to SC2 and that was when people still thought SC2 was gonna be big in Korea so don't get your hopes up for a mass influx
to be fair, while they contracted two teams down, they also altered the proleague format to a best of 7, so in effect everyone gets the same amount of TV time as they did before
Wemadefox is such a great team Especially how professional they were all set up. That big ass teamhouse (from nal_ra's oldboy) looked like the best teamhouse I've ever seen TT
Such a shame to see them disband. I hope all of them can find a new home or a new sponsor willing to sponsor them.
source wfbrood/plu (note: these site do not verify their sources)
sorry to hijack the thread. It's a related matter and it's not enough to start a thread on it's own.
There are rumours of 2 more team disbanding(leaving a possible 7 teams). One is a entertainment company team and the other is a corporate sponsored team. The entertainment team is pretty easy to guess, but rumour has is that the corp team is OZ. Does this means JD is available to trade???
OMG this breaks my heart since i orderd the WeMadeFox merchendice a while back but i was one of the unlucky guys who never got what i orderd (i was refunded but that dont make it any better)
i just wish that i had some wemadefox gear at home so that i could wear it and remember what an awesome team they where!!!
On August 23 2011 22:42 mmdmmd wrote: source wfbrood/plu (note: these site do not verify their sources)
sorry to hijack the thread. It's a related matter and it's not enough to start a thread on it's own.
There are rumours of 2 more team disbanding(leaving a possible 7 teams). One is a entertainment company team and the other is a corporate sponsored team. The entertainment team is pretty easy to guess, but rumour has is that the corp team is OZ. Does this means JD is available to trade???
Wait, what? link to the article please. I need to see this for myself. I really hope these rumors aren't true. T_T
On August 23 2011 22:42 mmdmmd wrote: source wfbrood/plu (note: these site do not verify their sources)
sorry to hijack the thread. It's a related matter and it's not enough to start a thread on it's own.
There are rumours of 2 more team disbanding(leaving a possible 7 teams). One is a entertainment company team and the other is a corporate sponsored team. The entertainment team is pretty easy to guess, but rumour has is that the corp team is OZ. Does this means JD is available to trade???
Wait, what? link to the article please. I need to see this for myself. I really hope these rumors aren't true. T_T
entertainment team probably is MBC while if the rumour says OZ is closing its pro gaming team than Jaedong is not availablefor free trade not yet until it is official like what we made fox did in this thread . Hopefully rumours stays as rumours .
On August 23 2011 17:54 papaz wrote: Another era comes to an end. As long as Moon keeps playing I'm happy. He is a good SC2 player with a lot more potential.
Maybe Liquid'Moon
Moon is a good SC2 player with a lot more potential?
Compared to who?
Most SC2 top pros were B-team members or A-team scrubs. Do you have any idea how much even Baby would smash the competition within 6 months of training?
Hate to step in here, but he's probably referring to the fact that he's not playing SC2 full time, and indeed just qualified for WC3 at WCG. It's a general line of thought that if moon actually gave SC2 his full attention, that he'd be noticably better than he already is.
You guys can't be serious if you think Moon is going to get paid as good, if paid at all, in any other team.. So, except for the logistics (he got a lifepartner?) there's no unrealistic teamchoice for him is there? Lyn would be more interesting considering he performed better in Korea and is terran, their meta-game is favorable in all m/u right now.. even TvT
WeMade have invested so much money into progaming and WeMade was always at the bottom of the proleague. They signed Nada a huge contract just as he stopped winning individual leagues.
This is the fault of the management, and also the players who had 10 times better conditions to practice than any other team and still they produced no results.
You guys can't be serious if you think Moon is going to get paid as good, if paid at all, in any other team.. So, except for the logistics (he got a lifepartner?) there's no unrealistic teamchoice for him is there? Lyn would be more interesting considering he performed better in Korea and is terran, their meta-game is favorable in all m/u right now.. even TvT
iG wants to sign moon and im pretty sure thats the guy who bought the DotA team for 6 million dollars
On August 23 2011 17:54 papaz wrote: Another era comes to an end. As long as Moon keeps playing I'm happy. He is a good SC2 player with a lot more potential.
Maybe Liquid'Moon
Moon is a good SC2 player with a lot more potential?
Compared to who?
Most SC2 top pros were B-team members or A-team scrubs. Do you have any idea how much even Baby would smash the competition within 6 months of training?
BW skills don't transfer to SC2 1-to-1 like that. Iron was way better than Zergbong, but MC is second banana to Nestea. Losira and MMA never played televised games, but they totally outclass, say, Sangho. Thorzain was a War3 player, and beat MC in a bo5 with macro games. Huk is consistently in Code S (and reportedly making six figures), and he never played a game competitively before. Obviously, being a former BW pro give advantages, but being a good BW pro no longer automatically makes you better at SC2 than a good SC2 pro.
Anyway, no A-team player will ever switch to SC2, unless they have personal reasons (like they want to go overseas, where BW isn't an option). The biggest name to switch in the last 6 months is friggen Tossgirl. No one who switches will be anyone a normal BW fan will have heard of.
I don't know if she perm switched but she is playing in an SC2 tourney in china host by LG. OGN will be casting =]
I was under the impression that if a BW player played SC2 in view of a Korean person, KeSPA got severely pissed, and would revoke the player's license. I don't know if they're more chill about this now, though.
This sucks.. unfortunately at least to my knowledge no one on the we made fox team has won any major championships.. that could have been incentive to keep them around instead of being dropped..
-On a lighter note tho i hope that all the players can find new teams and continue to play in E-SPorts
A new WeMade + MBC team would be pretty good. They would have the 1-2 punch of Sea and Baby (like old MBC's Sea and Light) plus strong backups in Jaehoon, Mind, and Roro.
On August 27 2011 05:48 Necosarius wrote: Ohh Mind to SKT!! And Baby!
Edit: Still sad that they disband
I was about to support this notion if WeMade had to disband, but then I remembered Oov was leaving.. I always think about how amazing Baby would've been under Oov's tutelage.
On August 25 2011 00:06 Raw12 wrote: This sucks.. unfortunately at least to my knowledge no one on the we made fox team has won any major championships.. that could have been incentive to keep them around instead of being dropped..
-On a lighter note tho i hope that all the players can find new teams and continue to play in E-SPorts
uh, mind? baby making it to ro4
well, both kinda old but still :<
(i think their protoss players made WMF look bad... :/)
On August 25 2011 00:06 Raw12 wrote: This sucks.. unfortunately at least to my knowledge no one on the we made fox team has won any major championships.. that could have been incentive to keep them around instead of being dropped..
-On a lighter note tho i hope that all the players can find new teams and continue to play in E-SPorts
uh, mind? baby making it to ro4
well, both kinda old but still :<
(i think their protoss players made WMF look bad... :/)
On August 25 2011 00:06 Raw12 wrote: This sucks.. unfortunately at least to my knowledge no one on the we made fox team has won any major championships.. that could have been incentive to keep them around instead of being dropped..
-On a lighter note tho i hope that all the players can find new teams and continue to play in E-SPorts
Actually I believe that only one of their current players won something, and that was Mind's MSL.
At least in 2 days we get proper news, with some proper resolution/further action, and we're not stuck in this awful limbo any more, like at the end of every season...
On August 30 2011 09:48 ImbaTosS wrote: At least in 2 days we get proper news, with some proper resolution/further action, and we're not stuck in this awful limbo any more, like at the end of every season...
A Fomos article mentioned that Kespa has the month of September to find a solution for these teams so we might not hear anything on 1st September.
It is not crazy to think that bw pros have tried SC2 in one form or the other. They are on the computer all day long and curiosity/boredom will set in and they will give it a whirl, if nothing to check out the storyline ! lol
Im sure that the progamers have tried SC2 one way or another. In Old Boy, they were joking about SC2 and Flash said something like "Ah, that game sucks." (not being offensive here but that's what my memories told me)
On September 03 2011 01:19 Xiphos wrote: Im sure that the progamers have tried SC2 one way or another. In Old Boy, they were joking about SC2 and Flash said something like "Ah, that game sucks." (not being offensive here but that's what my memories told me)
I don't remember that at all. Can you tell me what episode this was in?
On September 03 2011 01:19 Xiphos wrote: Im sure that the progamers have tried SC2 one way or another. In Old Boy, they were joking about SC2 and Flash said something like "Ah, that game sucks." (not being offensive here but that's what my memories told me)
I don't remember that at all. Can you tell me what episode this was in?
It was when Nal_ra and Flash met. And they were playing against each other.
On September 03 2011 01:19 Xiphos wrote: Im sure that the progamers have tried SC2 one way or another. In Old Boy, they were joking about SC2 and Flash said something like "Ah, that game sucks." (not being offensive here but that's what my memories told me)
I don't remember that at all. Can you tell me what episode this was in?
It was when Nal_ra and Flash met. And they were playing against each other.
He was probably just unhappy that playing all that SCII caused him to lose that first game. :p
On September 03 2011 01:19 Xiphos wrote: Im sure that the progamers have tried SC2 one way or another. In Old Boy, they were joking about SC2 and Flash said something like "Ah, that game sucks." (not being offensive here but that's what my memories told me)
Pretty sure that was someone else. I doubt Flash said anything like that because I remember reading at a later point, that he hasn't even tried SC2.
On September 03 2011 01:19 Xiphos wrote: Im sure that the progamers have tried SC2 one way or another. In Old Boy, they were joking about SC2 and Flash said something like "Ah, that game sucks." (not being offensive here but that's what my memories told me)
I don't remember that at all. Can you tell me what episode this was in?
It was when Nal_ra and Flash met. And they were playing against each other.
He was probably just unhappy that playing all that SCII caused him to lose that first game. :p
On September 03 2011 01:19 Xiphos wrote: Im sure that the progamers have tried SC2 one way or another. In Old Boy, they were joking about SC2 and Flash said something like "Ah, that game sucks." (not being offensive here but that's what my memories told me)
I don't remember that at all. Can you tell me what episode this was in?
It was when Nal_ra and Flash met. And they were playing against each other.
That never happened, SC2 was not released when Old Boy occurred, especially the Nal Ra vs Flash games
On September 03 2011 01:19 Xiphos wrote: Im sure that the progamers have tried SC2 one way or another. In Old Boy, they were joking about SC2 and Flash said something like "Ah, that game sucks." (not being offensive here but that's what my memories told me)
I don't remember that at all. Can you tell me what episode this was in?
It was when Nal_ra and Flash met. And they were playing against each other.
That never happened, SC2 was not released when Old Boy occurred, especially the Nal Ra vs Flash games
On September 03 2011 01:19 Xiphos wrote: Im sure that the progamers have tried SC2 one way or another. In Old Boy, they were joking about SC2 and Flash said something like "Ah, that game sucks." (not being offensive here but that's what my memories told me)
I don't remember that at all. Can you tell me what episode this was in?
It was when Nal_ra and Flash met. And they were playing against each other.
That never happened, SC2 was not released when Old Boy occurred, especially the Nal Ra vs Flash games
Umm...beta?
Even then, I watched Old Boy recently and there was literally no mention of SC2
There was mention of Kang Min loving his ducks and confusing a heron but no mention of SC2
On September 03 2011 03:02 Hyde wrote: Flash never said it sucked, the only line with SC2 i recall was Flash saying "sounds like SC2" or something along those lines.
On September 03 2011 03:02 Hyde wrote: Flash never said it sucked, the only line with SC2 i recall was Flash saying "sounds like SC2" or something along those lines.
On September 03 2011 03:02 Hyde wrote: Flash never said it sucked, the only line with SC2 i recall was Flash saying "sounds like SC2" or something along those lines.
it was violet who said that
you're right, episode 12
Yeah. Nal_ra was complaining about repair and how Protoss should have something similar lol.
On September 03 2011 04:04 therockmanxx wrote: How many teams are left?
There's still SKT, KT, Woongjin, ACE, Khan, STX, and CJ. No idea what's happening to Fox/Oz/MBC at this point. Does anyone have any updates regarding what's going on with the players at this point?
On September 04 2011 04:14 Ideas wrote: i really wish someone on one of these teams was still in the OSL just so we could see what sort of uniform they'd wear.
Realizing that none of them were close to making the semis makes it even sadder -.-
There has to be at least 8 teams by the end of september. Suppose that the best players of fox, hero, and oz combine - then there should be at least one sponsor that's willing to sponsor such a powerhouse.
The way I see it, the only way for BW to survive is to downsize and go back to its pioneering days. This also means the top guys and everyone else will have to take a pay cut. I know it won't happen but Flash, Jaedong, Bisu and all the superstars should do for all of BW what Xellos did for CJ otherwise there won't be anyone left for them to compete against very soon. I could see Khan and STX disbanding too if their sponsors get tired of the fact that their teams can't compete with T1 and KT and don't have a sense of owner's pride.
Don't get me wrong, competitive BW will be played for a long time yet. I just hope its broadcasted.
On September 03 2011 01:19 Xiphos wrote: Im sure that the progamers have tried SC2 one way or another. In Old Boy, they were joking about SC2 and Flash said something like "Ah, that game sucks." (not being offensive here but that's what my memories told me)
Pretty sure that was someone else. I doubt Flash said anything like that because I remember reading at a later point, that he hasn't even tried SC2.
On September 03 2011 01:19 Xiphos wrote: Im sure that the progamers have tried SC2 one way or another. In Old Boy, they were joking about SC2 and Flash said something like "Ah, that game sucks." (not being offensive here but that's what my memories told me)
I don't remember that at all. Can you tell me what episode this was in?
It was when Nal_ra and Flash met. And they were playing against each other.
He was probably just unhappy that playing all that SCII caused him to lose that first game. :p
Sucks to be clueless, eh?
And you you are a random internet tough guy. :p
Anyway. I'm surprised there hasn't been an update on the situation... :[
On September 04 2011 04:14 Ideas wrote: i really wish someone on one of these teams was still in the OSL just so we could see what sort of uniform they'd wear.
Realizing that none of them were close to making the semis makes it even sadder -.-
Killer was two typed letters or one sunken away from the semis ._.
On September 04 2011 04:14 Ideas wrote: i really wish someone on one of these teams was still in the OSL just so we could see what sort of uniform they'd wear.
Realizing that none of them were close to making the semis makes it even sadder -.-
Killer was two typed letters or one sunken away from the semis ._.
The additional irony being that if he HAD made it to semis, there would have been a chance that the company reconsider...
On September 04 2011 04:14 Ideas wrote: i really wish someone on one of these teams was still in the OSL just so we could see what sort of uniform they'd wear.
Realizing that none of them were close to making the semis makes it even sadder -.-
Killer was two typed letters or one sunken away from the semis ._.
The additional irony being that if he HAD made it to semis, there would have been a chance that the company reconsider...
On September 04 2011 06:19 pylonsalad wrote: The way I see it, the only way for BW to survive is to downsize and go back to its pioneering days. This also means the top guys and everyone else will have to take a pay cut. I know it won't happen but Flash, Jaedong, Bisu and all the superstars should do for all of BW what Xellos did for CJ otherwise there won't be anyone left for them to compete against very soon. I could see Khan and STX disbanding too if their sponsors get tired of the fact that their teams can't compete with T1 and KT and don't have a sense of owner's pride.
Don't get me wrong, competitive BW will be played for a long time yet. I just hope its broadcasted.
Pretty much the same situation as for spanish football league la liga. But im pretty sure nothing will change as there are always people who dont want to loose some of their power even if its needed
EPT
I guess there will be a draft for some of the players and others will go to SC2?
I hope they find a new sponsor soon. 
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