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bio.dante
Profile Joined July 2004
Czech Republic290 Posts
March 21 2005 05:04 GMT
#101
thats what i wanted to say: there is NO strategy, or only bad one...from z perspective
#1 bio.dante fan
Q-Tip
Profile Joined December 2004
Canada101 Posts
March 21 2005 05:16 GMT
#102
finally people are seeing it my way.Their control on both sides was incredible.But their brain was lacking thank you guys!
Chris307
Profile Joined June 2004
3095 Posts
March 21 2005 05:32 GMT
#103
Q-Tip's analysis is correct for the most part.

He's wrong in saying it's a bad replay, though. It was an excellent replay that he was unable to enjoy.

A lot of people prefer watching college teams because there are more mistakes. It just seems to add a lot of excitement to the game.

There are so many very minor, very obvious changes Zerg could've made that would have won him that game.
PUSH DICE CUP BACK AND I SHOOT CRAP
Day[9]
Profile Blog Joined April 2003
United States7366 Posts
March 21 2005 06:08 GMT
#104
On March 20 2005 18:48 Q-Tip wrote:

2. Going fast hive tech unless your going fast guard is really really stupid.



flat no
Whenever I encounter some little hitch, or some of my orbs get out of orbit, nothing pleases me so much as to make the crooked straight and crush down uneven places. www.day9.tv
Day[9]
Profile Blog Joined April 2003
United States7366 Posts
March 21 2005 06:13 GMT
#105
On March 21 2005 11:11 Q-Tip wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 21 2005 11:01 MPXMX wrote:
Please pay attention, Q-tip
The game lasted for over an hour, and for most of it it was diffiicult to tell who would win it. It was a close long game, where one of the players used some very unusual tactics effectively, and the other dealt with them impressively.

I don't understand hw you can say the game "sucked". You can point out dumbass mistakes in almost every single replay, be it a "Pimpest Play" or a 3-minute-long 4 pool game. 90% of all games can end much sooner than they do if players make the right decisions at the right times. But they don't, because we play in a fog of war... because concentration is the third resource of SC and there is never enough of it.

The zerg CHOSE to play like he did because he felt it was a strong enough method to win. I felt so too. The fact that it was effective is evidenced by the length of the game (during which the zerg wasn't putting off his death - it was the terran who was trying to stay alive).

So we have a one hour long, high level game full of action, featuring some unusual tactics. What else makes a great game? If this "sucked" show a good game... I'm sure I'll be able to come up with some arrogant comment about how the losing player was a dumbass for not doing _____


If you CHOSE to play like the zerg you are obviously an idiot and have offically lost all credibility with that post.


Gorush plays a very similar style very well. (ie hive to hydra/lurker w/ defiler) There's nothing incredibly wrong with it at all, zerg just needed to wait for slightly larger forces to attack
Whenever I encounter some little hitch, or some of my orbs get out of orbit, nothing pleases me so much as to make the crooked straight and crush down uneven places. www.day9.tv
LetMeBeWithYou
Profile Joined August 2004
Canada4254 Posts
Last Edited: 2005-03-21 06:21:13
March 21 2005 06:18 GMT
#106

For fuck sakes I was going through the comments and seeing some great ones than BAM your fucking name pops up and ruin this shit what the hell is wrong with you
All Those beneath an angry star
RedMeat
Profile Joined September 2002
United Kingdom490 Posts
March 21 2005 06:35 GMT
#107
Q-Tip, you suck. You were trolling. Saying your opinion in that sort of way will annoy people who liked the replay and it will annoy them 10 times more if your post count is as low as yours and you throw in a few retarded strategy-related comments as well . There's good players on this forum and people with a good theorectical knowledge of the game and you can't just come on here and sound your mouth off without knowing what you're talking about (which you clearly don't). People will flame you if you do, that's the bottom line really and you deserve the abuse you recieved.
I am the mirror, I am the destiny, I am the herald that points the way...
soundwave
Profile Joined January 2004
United States363 Posts
March 21 2005 07:41 GMT
#108
On March 21 2005 15:13 Day[9] wrote:
Gorush plays a very similar style very well. (ie hive to hydra/lurker w/ defiler) There's nothing incredibly wrong with it at all, zerg just needed to wait for slightly larger forces to attack


Agreed

Besides you can't judge Zerg for viewing only this one game. After analyzing a bunch of issues I think it's pretty obvious that he is overall very very skilled at the game.
Now I t king your WIFE !
2001newbie
Profile Joined November 2004
United States336 Posts
March 21 2005 07:52 GMT
#109
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GoGoGo[cF]
Profile Joined September 2004
China545 Posts
March 21 2005 08:03 GMT
#110
WOW.! Fantastic...
aka: sbOy[1FaM] ---Retired Gaming---
OneOther
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States10774 Posts
March 21 2005 10:03 GMT
#111
Zerg wasted hydras though..he should have made more lurkers instead of hydraling
Bill307
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
Canada9103 Posts
March 21 2005 11:38 GMT
#112
On March 21 2005 10:04 Q-Tip wrote:
I can post w/e the fuck my opinion is and if you don't like it you can take those 7 posts and stick them where the sun don't shine.


That's not all we can do.

Q-Tip, being right about something does not entitle you to insult every single person who disagrees with you (not that you were right on all counts, anyway). Twisted and Chris didn't have any problems getting their messages across. So I'm not sure why you had so many problems trying to do the same.

In response to the quote: sure, you can post whatever you want: the forum doesn't filter or censor posts. Just don't expect to be able to post anything else afterwards.
Bill307
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
Canada9103 Posts
Last Edited: 2005-03-21 11:59:48
March 21 2005 11:54 GMT
#113
As for the replay, it scores very well in the action and excitement category, falling short of 10/10 because the action was mostly linear, i.e. there weren't a lot of simultaneous battles going on.

The players, however, did not fare so well. In particular, I think that the zerg player needed to spend less time multitasking in the game and more time thinking about what he should do next. In the later stages of the game, he did a very poor job of maintaining his economy. However, I should also point out that his use of plague was a pleasure to see. His control and micro wasn't perfect, but it was much better in comparison to most of the other "gosu" replays out there.

Lastly, the "plot" or suspense of the game was good, with neither side walking over the other (even though this was due in part to inadequate play). Except for the ending: the ending was very anti-climatic as the zerg player let the game slip away.

Overall, this replay was better than the average "gosu" replay, no doubt. But the bad ending really sours its score, almost to the point where I don't want to bother keeping it. Nevertheless, I will create a new category for this replay, "Above Average Game", and save it there.
XaI)CyRiC
Profile Joined October 2002
United States4471 Posts
March 21 2005 13:44 GMT
#114
The replay was great.

It definitely broke the monotany of all the other ZvTs out there that follow the exact same patterns. This is one of the few reps I've seen where defilers were used so often and effectively (particularly the plague usage). I think it's obvious that the goal of this game was not to win at any cost, the Z was obviously set on going on a plague/swarm themed strategy and he did it very well. Sure he made some mistakes that cost him the game, big deal. Going for such a hardcore, extremely aggressive strategy against a turtling Terran is obviously not ideal, but it was awesome to watch. It was as if the Zerg was saying "yeah I know Terran is the best turtling race, but my defilers will still kick your ass". It's obvious he had the game won many times, that's beside the point and should not have any relevance as to the quality of the replay, the skill of the players, or the entertainment value of the replay (which is WAY up there).

All the people who are breaking this replay down and analyzing all the tiny mistakes are missing the whole point and appeal of this replay. Oh and I think Q-Tip is an annoying shit and banned him for his conduct in this thread. Agree with me if you want, but he's gone.
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MPXMX
Profile Joined December 2002
Canada4309 Posts
March 21 2005 13:53 GMT
#115
*Throws hat

Hooray!
bio.dante
Profile Joined July 2004
Czech Republic290 Posts
March 21 2005 22:42 GMT
#116
heh u must ban q-tip for this ?
#1 bio.dante fan
SLLIKSKILLS
Profile Joined March 2005
United States45 Posts
March 21 2005 22:57 GMT
#117
On March 20 2005 18:48 Q-Tip wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 20 2005 18:37 Twitt wrote:
On March 20 2005 18:22 Q-Tip wrote:
Well i just wasted 10 minutes of my life watching this.


Welcome to the world of being a fucking idiot. :/ That rep was golden.


if the world were run by you then this rep would be golden, but it isn't so it sucks.
Here are the reasons why (i guess i have to state them for you because you have
an IQ of 10)

1. Terran was whay too passive, he basically let the zerg get to hive tech expo etc.
2. Going fast hive tech unless your going fast guard is really really stupid.
3. The Zerg was sending all these small attacks that weren't doing ANY damage
what so ever.
4.Terrans marine control was shit.
5.Terrans macro was bad and he made terrible decisions ( i.e not transfering stuff
to save valueable minerals in such a late stage in the came can either make or
break you.)
6.The Zerg just sucks period.Insted of throwing small clumps of units away take the map
and just MASS everything since the Terran is just sitting.

ETC ETC.

also the terran has 3K+ gas later in the game...WHY THE FUCK AREN'T
YOU MASSING VESSELS AND IRRADATE HARASSING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


AS IF you would rmember to irradiate harrass after playing an hour long game as intense as that one. You'd just be trying to outlast your opponent silly. dont be foolish. think
CASH RULES EVERYTHING AROUND ME
ban :)
Profile Joined September 2003
Denmark238 Posts
March 21 2005 23:00 GMT
#118
i like my evisu jeans !
i also like this game !
Doctorasul
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
Romania1145 Posts
March 22 2005 01:24 GMT
#119
BCloud (and Uhjoo), thank you for the replay. Zerg's style was awsome and although he lost, he's still the winner in my book.

Q-Tip, thank you for getting yourself banned.
"I believe in Spinoza's god who reveals himself in the harmony of all that exists, but not in a god who concerns himself with the fate and actions of human beings." - Albert Einstein
n00bsaibot
Profile Joined November 2004
United States1070 Posts
March 22 2005 09:09 GMT
#120
Thats what i get for watching a replay with players ive never heard of. One of the most boring replays i have ever seen. I'll stick to progamer replays only thank you.
You fuck cows in retrospect
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