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A Must-See zvt replay.
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ManaBlue
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uhjoo
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anyone who watches this plz no spoilers! it's worth the watch 100% | ||
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Q-Tip
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-=SWM=-
Canada306 Posts
That was one of, if not, the best displays of TvZ that i have ever seen. Relentless Attacks by Z and even more relentless Defense by T. Simply Jaw Dropping action all the way through this replay gets 11/10 in my books!! | ||
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Twitt
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On March 20 2005 18:22 Q-Tip wrote: Well i just wasted 10 minutes of my life watching this. Welcome to the world of being a fucking idiot. :/ That rep was golden. | ||
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Q-Tip
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On March 20 2005 18:37 Twitt wrote: Welcome to the world of being a fucking idiot. :/ That rep was golden. if the world were run by you then this rep would be golden, but it isn't so it sucks. Here are the reasons why (i guess i have to state them for you because you have an IQ of 10) 1. Terran was whay too passive, he basically let the zerg get to hive tech expo etc. 2. Going fast hive tech unless your going fast guard is really really stupid. 3. The Zerg was sending all these small attacks that weren't doing ANY damage what so ever. 4.Terrans marine control was shit. 5.Terrans macro was bad and he made terrible decisions ( i.e not transfering stuff to save valueable minerals in such a late stage in the came can either make or break you.) 6.The Zerg just sucks period.Insted of throwing small clumps of units away take the map and just MASS everything since the Terran is just sitting. ETC ETC. also the terran has 3K+ gas later in the game...WHY THE FUCK AREN'T YOU MASSING VESSELS AND IRRADATE HARASSING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! | ||
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uhjoo
Korea (South)1740 Posts
On March 20 2005 18:48 Q-Tip wrote: if the world were run by you then this rep would be golden, but it isn't so it sucks. Here are the reasons why (i guess i have to state them for you because you have an IQ of 10) 1. Terran was whay too passive, he basically let the zerg get to hive tech expo etc. 2. Going fast hive tech unless your going fast guard is really really stupid. 3. The Zerg was sending all these small attacks that weren't doing ANY damage what so ever. 4.Terrans marine control was shit. 5.Terrans macro was bad and he made terrible decisions ( i.e not transfering stuff to save valueable minerals in such a late stage in the came can either make or break you.) 6.The Zerg just sucks period.Insted of throwing small clumps of units away take the map and just MASS everything since the Terran is just sitting. ETC ETC. also the terran has 3K+ gas later in the game...WHY THE FUCK AREN'T YOU MASSING VESSELS AND IRRADATE HARASSING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Rep has been posted in replay section, it's that good. Thanks to BCloud for pointing out this rep. Q-tip if you can't enjoy this rep and the skill of both z and t, you're either a perfect player, you're trolling, you're reacting to Twitt's flame, or you're overly critical to be contrarian. Your comments come close to spoiling the rep so I won't comment further but let me just say this: you're wrong, man. It's ok to be upset on getting flamed but don't dig a deeper hole by making dumb comments. "Fast hive tech unless you're going guards is really really stupid"<-- some newbie might believe you o_o | ||
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ihatett
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Q-Tip
Canada101 Posts
On March 20 2005 18:56 uhjoo wrote: Rep has been posted in replay section, it's that good. Thanks to BCloud for pointing out this rep. Q-tip if you can't enjoy this rep and the skill of both z and t, you're either a perfect player, you're trolling, you're reacting to Twitt's flame, or you're overly critical to be contrarian. Your comments come close to spoiling the rep so I won't comment further but let me just say this: you're wrong, man. It's ok to be upset on getting flamed but don't dig a deeper hole by making dumb comments. "Fast hive tech unless you're going guards is really really stupid"<-- some newbie might believe you o_o Ok first off Uhjoo Nobody is a perfect player.NOBODY can play a SC game 100% perfect, there is always some sort of flaw in somebody's play even in your own.I am not trolling because im not going in here to start a flame war.I've watch the rep twice i can honestly say that it wasn't that great of a rep.Both sides made some big mistakes which I pointed out earlier.Twitt is well a twit, enough said.I am entitled to my opinion and my opinion happens to be right here. These guys are alright, but there's no way in hell this game should have lasted as long as it did. They're control was good but they had no brains.If they were actually thinking that game would have been over in a 1/3 of the time. | ||
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LetMeBeWithYou
Canada4254 Posts
On March 20 2005 19:10 Q-Tip wrote: Ok first off Uhjoo Nobody is a perfect player.NOBODY can play a SC game 100% perfect, there is always some sort of flaw in somebody's play even in your own.I am not trolling because im not going in here to start a flame war.I've watch the rep twice i can honestly say that it wasn't that great of a rep.Both sides made some big mistakes which I pointed out earlier.Twitt is well a twit, enough said.I am entitled to my opinion and my opinion happens to be right here. These guys are alright, but there's no way in hell this game should have lasted as long as it did. They're control was good but they had no brains.If they were actually thinking that game would have been over in a 1/3 of the time. Oh noes we got a gosu over here somebody smash him and lets call him a noob and point out every single mistake he has made! I can go and watch some VOD of boxer playing and I can correct out some small mistakes so fucking what? zzzzzzzzz thanks for pointing out the "nobody is perfect" yeah we really didnt know that Oh yeah shit I cant dl this rep I get bounch of random letters and space, any ideas? | ||
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chrusher97
Canada811 Posts
On March 20 2005 19:27 LetMeBeWithYou wrote: Oh noes we got a gosu over here somebody smash him and lets call him a noob and point out every single mistake he has made! I can go and watch some VOD of boxer playing and I can correct out some small mistakes so fucking what? zzzzzzzzz thanks for pointing out the "nobody is perfect" yeah we really didnt know that Oh yeah shit I cant dl this rep I get bounch of random letters and space, any ideas? instead of clicking on the link right click and save as... then type in tvzreplay.rep as the file name | ||
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Cloud
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FroZZoR
China925 Posts
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ColdSoup
United States447 Posts
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HyunG
Korea (South)205 Posts
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Cloud
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GosuAmerican
United States347 Posts
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ItchReliever
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zerg should have won! ;( | ||
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MPXMX
Canada4309 Posts
On March 20 2005 19:35 FroZZoR wrote: I think the real problem is zerg went fucking HYDRA LING with swarm which is totally retarded... save the gas and get ultras... also he has 1/1 so.... I think when you use plague, thats a more effective combo. He just used a different approach which seemed quite effective too. He was running a bunch of depleted gases which couldn't so easily allow for lurker/defiler/scourge or ultra/defiler/scourge I think the zerg would certainly have won if he had taken both islands soon after taking 9. | ||
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Resse
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previousemperor
Canada271 Posts
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Moggle
Canada327 Posts
But seriously, thats some crazy action. | ||
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stimpack[pG]
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1ntoTheNydus
United States41 Posts
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Guybrush
Spain4744 Posts
This is among the very best replays i have seen, and i would give it 9/10. | ||
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OneOther
United States10774 Posts
he should have won..great macro performance Only if he had islands .. | ||
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uhjoo
Korea (South)1740 Posts
1) At some point (I think around the 30 min mark or so), there was a meta-psychological game of "I'm going to do this, and you're going to do that, and let's fight it out and see who is more stubborn." I agree with Guybrush that the Z didn't want to give in and go ultras. At a certain point you want to win using some specific unit mix/strat instead of just plain winning. That to me is art. 2) When a player makes mistakes or behaves in a certain way, it's usually due to what the other player does. This replay is a good example of that: they were reacting to each other. Sure there are mistakes by both players-- the terran doesn't use all his resources effectively (to which some people say "bad macro"). Also, you might say the terran seemed to be playing "passively"-- but hey, it's because the z was so damn aggressive. I mean, try fending off wave after wave of those attacks, barely surviving, then rallying to push toward a base? Give credit to the z's play if the terran seemed less than eager to push out. He must have figured, if I could hold on long enough, I'll eventually starve him out, and if I eat around the same amount of resources as the Z, I'll win. And on the other hand sure the zerg doesn't have 3/3 units. But macroing from 7 hatches or so, constantly microing defilers (which is some of the most difficult control in sc), trying to hunt vessels with scourge, etc., due to the terran's very good defense means something has to give-- in this case it was upgrades. But really, it's also a function of the fact his pumping units was so efficient that he rarely had enough mins/gas! The Z's macro is really art-- this is no 3000 mins/2000 gas waiting for ultra cavern to finish wait for big center fight unit massing zerg. Very refreshing play indeed. | ||
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HeadBangaa
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Liquid`Daaman
Sweden1225 Posts
had the zerg cared to keep his islands in the first place he most certainly would've won playing like that. and yeah, shouldve just had a better check on the 12 main too (that's a mistake i made once myself in a fucking important game=O) | ||
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SoLaR[i.C]
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uhjoo
Korea (South)1740 Posts
On March 21 2005 01:45 SoLaR[i.C] wrote: The replay is good, but it pisses me off at the same time. The zerg deserved to win that game so much more than the terran. But because terran is a gay race, they won anyway. ![]() :D since the results were spoiled awhile back anyway, i'll agree: i must say i agree that the zerg deserved to win the game 100%. but on the other hand, losing like this is sort of like winning... i know i'll keep an eye out for more evisu replays in the future, whereas akaraka seemed solid but not spectacular. great losses are better than boring victories! (foru on river of flames anyone? ) | ||
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China682 Posts
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Twisted
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It's all he does, and this zerg had a retarded way of losing to it. Hello?! He tried saving his main by nydussing drones to his island! Drones fightingg~!! Sure, 'nice' rep for people who don't get frustrated by stupid play. I myself thought it was a waste and I agree partly to that qtip guy (or what's his name). | ||
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inc
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tfeign
United States2980 Posts
So many chances where he could have stole T's command centers and seal the game. | ||
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Q-Tip
Canada101 Posts
On March 21 2005 03:09 Twisted wrote: Everyone I played that AKARAKA guy I got annoyed by his massive turtling. It's all he does, and this zerg had a retarded way of losing to it. Hello?! He tried saving his main by nydussing drones to his island! Drones fightingg~!! Sure, 'nice' rep for people who don't get frustrated by stupid play. I myself thought it was a waste and I agree partly to that qtip guy (or what's his name). THANK YOU SOME 1 AGREES WITH ME | ||
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Q-Tip
Canada101 Posts
On March 20 2005 20:15 BCloud wrote: So then q-tip, maybe you can enlighten us with a replay worthy of your time, if you have an even better replay than this i'm sure we would all like to see it, besides you watched a 75 min long replay in 10 mins, thats like 8x speed, and you try to criticize everything of it. First off i watch it in 4X FYI.I noticed many problems with their games.I'm not saying there bad players but come on you have to use your brain.If the zerg wasn't such a stubborn bitch he would have went ultra/ling and won insted of trying the same shit that didn't over and over. The terran played correctly and won, Vs swarm you turtle like crazy massing tanks/bunkers/vessels etc. That's how you beat defilers.And why he didn't mass vessels in the end when he had plenty of gas i have no clue.Your post Cloud is about as braindead as that zerg that was playing. | ||
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Q-Tip
Canada101 Posts
On March 21 2005 02:00 uhjoo wrote: :D since the results were spoiled awhile back anyway, i'll agree: i must say i agree that the zerg deserved to win the game 100%. but on the other hand, losing like this is sort of like winning... i know i'll keep an eye out for more evisu replays in the future, whereas akaraka seemed solid but not spectacular. great losses are better than boring victories! (foru on river of flames anyone? )I'd take a boring win over an incredible loss anyday uhjoo.In important games the most important thing is to win... | ||
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ihatett
United States2289 Posts
On March 21 2005 06:17 Q-Tip wrote: I'd take a boring win over an incredible loss anyday uhjoo.In important games the most important thing is to win... I doubt this was an important game. Sometimes, I would think that an incredible loss is actually better for your reputation. | ||
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Q-Tip
Canada101 Posts
On March 21 2005 06:21 ihatett wrote: I doubt this was an important game. Sometimes, I would think that an incredible loss is actually better for your reputation. If it wasn't a really important game then sure you can dick around a bit but still, If the Zerg had a brain the Terran shouldn't have had a chance. | ||
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iNsaNe-
Finland5201 Posts
Nice tvz though, could be worse. | ||
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ErOs_YasoT
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FakeSteve[TPR]
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orca
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MPXMX
Canada4309 Posts
I have many comments against what you say Q-Tip but I'll just select one at random The terran had about 10 science vessels. To me that IS mass science vessels, I don't know what else you are suggesting. Have you ever tried to control 15 + science vessels? IT's a waste, most of them won't irradiate and you'll lose them in dozens to scourgees. They cost minerals too you know... | ||
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Purind
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FireBlast!
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Cloud
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Saying fast hive is only good if you go for fast guards is one of the most retarded things i've ever heard, i think with your superior IQ you can figure why is that. Sure you can say terran has 3000 gas at one point and troll about WHY THE FUCK AREN'T YOU MASSING VESSELS AND IRRADATE HARASSING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!, well, if you noticed, vessels got scourged everytime zerg had a chance, they were plagued, it was the vessels the ones that were being harassed more likely not the way around. Now saying ultraling would have won him the game is really easy for you to say, did you notice the upgrades?, did you notice that way after he had gotten the hive, terran had 2-2 m&m while zerg had no upgrades, did you notice how bad was zerg in economy?, ultralisks depend on strong economy, they depend on upgrades, zerg needs more expos than terran to support an ultraling army, but zerg didnt have more expos, zerg was too late, and he wanted to try something different, something that was indeed beautiful, yet you flame it just because it contradicts everything you say is the right thing to do. His m&m control is crappy, well wtf can terran do when he has plague on his mm, 5 swarms over him vessels to micro against scourge and workers that must be pulled out of the crossfire?. Saying winning is all that matters is both retarded and offensive, retarded because if that was the truth eveyone would 6 pool and say to hell, i'll get an A on pgtour if i keep doing this, offensive because there is something in this game that is art, something that is called originality, there is someone i think you've heard pretty well of him named boxer, and does he win every single one of his games?, does every game where he does a really good, interesting, astonishing move he wins?, would he be the same boxer if he played the turtle terran just to win every game? the answer is no, and you are just proving your stupidity with every post you make, contradicting yourself, flaming everyone because of their low IQ, which i can bet is 10 times as higher as your's, you are the one that needs to put a little more of brain into this instead of just flaming because you want to.. | ||
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Q-Tip
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On March 21 2005 09:35 BCloud wrote: Maybe you should watch your own posts before flaming mines q-tip, in one post you say that terran was way to passive, that he let the zerg do that, then in another you say that terran HAS to be passive to hold a swarming zerg. Saying fast hive is only good if you go for fast guards is one of the most retarded things i've ever heard, i think with your superior IQ you can figure why is that. Sure you can say terran has 3000 gas at one point and troll about WHY THE FUCK AREN'T YOU MASSING VESSELS AND IRRADATE HARASSING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!, well, if you noticed, vessels got scourged everytime zerg had a chance, they were plagued, it was the vessels the ones that were being harassed more likely not the way around. Now saying ultraling would have won him the game is really easy for you to say, did you notice the upgrades?, did you notice that way after he had gotten the hive, terran had 2-2 m&m while zerg had no upgrades, did you notice how bad was zerg in economy?, ultralisks depend on strong economy, they depend on upgrades, zerg needs more expos than terran to support an ultraling army, but zerg didnt have more expos, zerg was too late, and he wanted to try something different, something that was indeed beautiful, yet you flame it just because it contradicts everything you say is the right thing to do. His m&m control is crappy, well wtf can terran do when he has plague on his mm, 5 swarms over him vessels to micro against scourge and workers that must be pulled out of the crossfire?. Saying winning is all that matters is both retarded and offensive, retarded because if that was the truth eveyone would 6 pool and say to hell, i'll get an A on pgtour if i keep doing this, offensive because there is something in this game that is art, something that is called originality, there is someone i think you've heard pretty well of him named boxer, and does he win every single one of his games?, does every game where he does a really good, interesting, astonishing move he wins?, would he be the same boxer if he played the turtle terran just to win every game? the answer is no, and you are just proving your stupidity with every post you make, contradicting yourself, flaming everyone because of their low IQ, which i can bet is 10 times as higher as your's, you are the one that needs to put a little more of brain into this instead of just flaming because you want to.. Not reading all that garbage, first off you have to sit but you can't just not attack.Terran should be irradateing like mad, droping expos etc.Im not trying to flame any 1 cloud im just speaking the truth.If you can't see that then your the 1 with an IQ of 10. | ||
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celix
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shizuru
Japan570 Posts
to say blah and blah played stupidly or whatever is unreasonable because you dont know if the zerg was trying out a new strat or not, if it was even a serious game. trying out new things in friendly games and being blamed for the loss is just asanine. how is anyone supposed to become creative otherwise? stick to standard tried and true formulas of how to win? the rep for what it is is entertaining. and great play by zerg. | ||
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Q-Tip
Canada101 Posts
On March 21 2005 09:53 celix wrote: Q-Tip post a rep of you doing something like that in the replay. If you cannot, just keep your comments to yourself. For the last time im not posting any replays so you idiots can see me play. I can post w/e the fuck my opinion is and if you don't like it you can take those 7 posts and stick them where the sun don't shine. | ||
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SnoopySnacks
Tarsonis903 Posts
@BCloud: palying to win is the only thing that matters but saying 6pool is the way to get an A on pgtour shows that u have no idea what ur talking about. | ||
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taeWook
United States1367 Posts
1. Evisu is the best zerg macroer ive ever seen. the amount of units he can create off of one expansion is amazing. 2. it was constant zerg harass, on a scale ive never seen before. the fact that he can maintain this kind of attack, micro his units, and expand is beyond me. 3. it just shows that a terran base is never completely defended, no matter how many units there are. 4. swarm and plague fucking own yes, i can nitpick here and there, i can speculate that zerg would have won a long time ago if he switched to ultra crack, but im sure hes learned his lesson. but i think the purpose of this replay is to show the power of swarm and plague, and he definitely succeeded. entertainment value 10+/10 replay (objective view) 9.5/10 | ||
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Q-Tip
Canada101 Posts
On March 21 2005 10:05 tlstmddn wrote: i dont get the whole entertaining thing, i jsut found the whole replay stupid and boring most of the time, i mean damn i thought i played pretty defensive tvz but this terran was 10x more. Z was jsut throwing the game away while the terran jsut sat back and laughed at his pathetic attacks, thats jsut how it looked to me. @BCloud: palying to win is the only thing that matters but saying 6pool is the way to get an A on pgtour shows that u have no idea what ur talking about. First off there's no way in hell you can get an A on PGtour by 6 pooling.Cloud just shut up you lost all credibility with that long post honestly. | ||
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Q-Tip
Canada101 Posts
On March 21 2005 10:18 BCloud wrote: No one of you really read my post did you?, the 6 pool was put in a sarcastic tone, and q-tip stop posting, your increasing number of posts is relative to your increasing stupidity. Im sure it was a sarcastic tone cloud rofl.and btw your dick size is relative to how many braincells you have. | ||
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Q-Tip
Canada101 Posts
On March 21 2005 10:21 taeWook wrote: qtip, why are you trying to get on everyones nerves today? it seems like your the one trying to create controversy by claiming the replay sucked. honestly, keep your subjective comments to yourself. people can recognize greatness, and this replay demonstrated that. if you have a hard time understanding that, watch it again, and put yourself in the terran's view. Listen i'm posting my opinion.I'm not here looking for a flame war i'm just posting what i believe, both players made some big mistakes.I pointed them out like 4 times already so im going to save my breath.This replay is alright but it surely isn't drool worthy. | ||
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Canada101 Posts
On March 21 2005 10:25 Veigh wrote: GJ Q-Tip, you did a good job to work on everyone's nerves and besides, you fucking spoiled the replay for the people that didnt watch it with your moronic posts that beg for flames if you don't want a replay spoiled then don't read other posts.DL the replay, watch it then post w/e the fuck you think of it.This is what you call a "forum" don't ya know? | ||
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Canada101 Posts
On March 21 2005 10:42 ronhaak wrote: Now you are just trolling. Stay on topic ![]() For fuck sakes i'm not trolling, im defending myself.If you want me to stop posting then stop fucking flamming me for my own opinion. | ||
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On March 21 2005 10:36 Q-Tip wrote: if you don't want a replay spoiled then don't read other posts.DL the replay, watch it then post w/e the fuck you think of it.This is what you call a "forum" don't ya know? that is true. what esle do you expect in a thread discussing replay? But other qtips comments made me laugh=D His strategical insights are hilarious=D | ||
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MPXMX
Canada4309 Posts
The game lasted for over an hour, and for most of it it was diffiicult to tell who would win it. It was a close long game, where one of the players used some very unusual tactics effectively, and the other dealt with them impressively. I don't understand hw you can say the game "sucked". You can point out dumbass mistakes in almost every single replay, be it a "Pimpest Play" or a 3-minute-long 4 pool game. 90% of all games can end much sooner than they do if players make the right decisions at the right times. But they don't, because we play in a fog of war... because concentration is the third resource of SC and there is never enough of it. The zerg CHOSE to play like he did because he felt it was a strong enough method to win. I felt so too. The fact that it was effective is evidenced by the length of the game (during which the zerg wasn't putting off his death - it was the terran who was trying to stay alive). So we have a one hour long, high level game full of action, featuring some unusual tactics. What else makes a great game? If this "sucked" show a good game... I'm sure I'll be able to come up with some arrogant comment about how the losing player was a dumbass for not doing _____ | ||
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Crystal
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the beginning was kinda repetitevly boring tho=D | ||
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Canada101 Posts
On March 21 2005 11:01 MPXMX wrote: Please pay attention, Q-tip The game lasted for over an hour, and for most of it it was diffiicult to tell who would win it. It was a close long game, where one of the players used some very unusual tactics effectively, and the other dealt with them impressively. I don't understand hw you can say the game "sucked". You can point out dumbass mistakes in almost every single replay, be it a "Pimpest Play" or a 3-minute-long 4 pool game. 90% of all games can end much sooner than they do if players make the right decisions at the right times. But they don't, because we play in a fog of war... because concentration is the third resource of SC and there is never enough of it. The zerg CHOSE to play like he did because he felt it was a strong enough method to win. I felt so too. The fact that it was effective is evidenced by the length of the game (during which the zerg wasn't putting off his death - it was the terran who was trying to stay alive). So we have a one hour long, high level game full of action, featuring some unusual tactics. What else makes a great game? If this "sucked" show a good game... I'm sure I'll be able to come up with some arrogant comment about how the losing player was a dumbass for not doing _____ If you CHOSE to play like the zerg you are obviously an idiot and have offically lost all credibility with that post. | ||
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Purind
Canada3562 Posts
So is it really unusual for some random guy to pick apart Evisu's game? | ||
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Elvin_vn
Vietnam2038 Posts
If you CHOSE to play like the zerg you are obviously an idiot and have offically lost all credibility with that post. who cares about credibility grow up | ||
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shizuru
Japan570 Posts
On March 21 2005 10:46 Q-Tip wrote: For fuck sakes i'm not trolling, im defending myself.If you want me to stop posting then stop fucking flamming me for my own opinion. you must be new here if you think that tlnet is a democracy. you can get banned for posting just your opinion if its full of stupidity. repeatedly saying that u can say whatever you like here is just not true. just a heads up edit* and with that last post you're already there =/ | ||
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EnDeR_
Spain2777 Posts
On March 21 2005 11:11 Q-Tip wrote: If you CHOSE to play like the zerg you are obviously an idiot and have offically lost all credibility with that post. I was gonna comment on your stupidy with this post but it is not worth it, you will just go and say i lost "all official credibility" or some other pitiful argument. The zerg chose a style with a lot of action and it ended up being a very entertaining game in which he could have won many times if he had a maphack on or if he could keep himself 100% concentrated in an hour long game. By the time he could have switched to any other unit mix, the terran was too ahead in upgrades and it had an even bigger chance of failing. | ||
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MPXMX
Canada4309 Posts
By the way, you've failed to come up with a "good game" by your definition. One that cannot be ignorantly criticized in your own manner. | ||
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celix
Canada15 Posts
On March 21 2005 10:58 (s)Wing wrote: great replay and i wasted 10 min of my life reading qtips posts. likewise . Q-Tip would fit over at the b.net s&t forum. | ||
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Q-Tip
Canada101 Posts
credibility is important VERY important any noob can have their opinion which is like 99% of the people who post in this thread | ||
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Q-Tip
Canada101 Posts
On March 21 2005 12:18 WhizKid77 wrote: strategically, this game was like 3/10. mechanically, probably 9.5/10. notice how everyone with a brain agree's with me | ||
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Malmis
Sweden1569 Posts
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iamke55
United States2806 Posts
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bio.dante
Czech Republic290 Posts
The strategy of that z sucked. If he would make larger army and not sending 12 units to atack it would be better. flame me | ||
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itzme_petey
United States1400 Posts
As for Q-tip i understand what you're trying to say. This game wasnt EXTREMELY GOSU, only idiots would say something like that. This was entertaining, thnx for the person who shared! | ||
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WhizKid77
China682 Posts
On March 21 2005 12:49 iamke55 wrote: I'm guessing Q-Tip's idea of a good game is a 13-minute rape with nada at 400 apm and playing perfectly while his opponent goes fast ultra-crack? fast rape games mean either 1) luck or 2) strategical awareness and execution. usually it's the latter. i find that people with good scouting and good perception of the game usually end the game a lot more quickly. it's painful to watch a game that could have ended in 15 minutes last 40+ minutes. You may not have enjoyed this game, but you'd be a retard for not seeing that this game was extremely gosu. It was clear that evisu's large-scale unit control and macro was near-perfect, and Akaraka knew this and knew that he wouldn't stand a chance in a game of large army vs large army. If he played less passively and rushed out with his huge army when he had a lot of units, I guarantee the zerg would've raped the terran blob every single time. while i agree that evisu's unit control was very very good, and his macro extremely good (mainly due to good econ/drone management), very trivial mistakes cost him the game, like not protecting his islands, which imo is far far more important than his "near-perfect" mechanics. he can swarm and plague all he likes, but the critical point of securing his islands made all his defiler micro a moot point. another point i should make is that dark swarm use is much much harder with a mobile terran army than a turtling terran, thus making it less effective. at one point, the zerg should have stepped back and looked at the big picture. he should have told himself "wait, my swarms aren't pushing far enough into T base to do enough econ damage. with him taking his min only, and probably all of 12, can i really keep swarming and plaguing to either 1) starve him out or 2) do enough econ damage to win the game?" and he should have realized the answer is no. he then should have reacted to this realization by securing his islands, getting his macro going, and building up a huge ultra ling hydra defiler scourge army and just waited it out. while many of zerg's attacks were cost efficient due to defilers, i think a majority of them were not. the terran race is infamous for being able to sustain lots of damage by zerg attacks by running scvs and floating buildings. had zerg accumulated more men before attacking, his chances of winning would increase drastically. kinda like gorush style. having said all that, this game comes down to what i said eariler - all mechanics, little strategy. a somewhat entertaining replay nonetheless, and this zerg is obviously very good, as well as the terran. maybe he just didn't think too much during this game. happens to everyone. | ||
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bio.dante
Czech Republic290 Posts
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Q-Tip
Canada101 Posts
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Chris307
3095 Posts
He's wrong in saying it's a bad replay, though. It was an excellent replay that he was unable to enjoy. A lot of people prefer watching college teams because there are more mistakes. It just seems to add a lot of excitement to the game. There are so many very minor, very obvious changes Zerg could've made that would have won him that game. | ||
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Day[9]
United States7366 Posts
On March 20 2005 18:48 Q-Tip wrote: 2. Going fast hive tech unless your going fast guard is really really stupid. flat no | ||
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Day[9]
United States7366 Posts
On March 21 2005 11:11 Q-Tip wrote: If you CHOSE to play like the zerg you are obviously an idiot and have offically lost all credibility with that post. Gorush plays a very similar style very well. (ie hive to hydra/lurker w/ defiler) There's nothing incredibly wrong with it at all, zerg just needed to wait for slightly larger forces to attack | ||
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LetMeBeWithYou
Canada4254 Posts
For fuck sakes I was going through the comments and seeing some great ones than BAM your fucking name pops up and ruin this shit what the hell is wrong with you | ||
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RedMeat
United Kingdom490 Posts
. There's good players on this forum and people with a good theorectical knowledge of the game and you can't just come on here and sound your mouth off without knowing what you're talking about (which you clearly don't). People will flame you if you do, that's the bottom line really and you deserve the abuse you recieved. | ||
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soundwave
United States363 Posts
On March 21 2005 15:13 Day[9] wrote: Gorush plays a very similar style very well. (ie hive to hydra/lurker w/ defiler) There's nothing incredibly wrong with it at all, zerg just needed to wait for slightly larger forces to attack Agreed Besides you can't judge Zerg for viewing only this one game. After analyzing a bunch of issues I think it's pretty obvious that he is overall very very skilled at the game. | ||
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2001newbie
United States336 Posts
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GoGoGo[cF]
China545 Posts
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OneOther
United States10774 Posts
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Bill307
Canada9103 Posts
On March 21 2005 10:04 Q-Tip wrote: I can post w/e the fuck my opinion is and if you don't like it you can take those 7 posts and stick them where the sun don't shine. That's not all we can do. Q-Tip, being right about something does not entitle you to insult every single person who disagrees with you (not that you were right on all counts, anyway). Twisted and Chris didn't have any problems getting their messages across. So I'm not sure why you had so many problems trying to do the same. In response to the quote: sure, you can post whatever you want: the forum doesn't filter or censor posts. Just don't expect to be able to post anything else afterwards. | ||
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Bill307
Canada9103 Posts
The players, however, did not fare so well. In particular, I think that the zerg player needed to spend less time multitasking in the game and more time thinking about what he should do next. In the later stages of the game, he did a very poor job of maintaining his economy. However, I should also point out that his use of plague was a pleasure to see. His control and micro wasn't perfect, but it was much better in comparison to most of the other "gosu" replays out there. Lastly, the "plot" or suspense of the game was good, with neither side walking over the other (even though this was due in part to inadequate play). Except for the ending: the ending was very anti-climatic as the zerg player let the game slip away. Overall, this replay was better than the average "gosu" replay, no doubt. But the bad ending really sours its score, almost to the point where I don't want to bother keeping it. Nevertheless, I will create a new category for this replay, "Above Average Game", and save it there. | ||
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XaI)CyRiC
United States4471 Posts
It definitely broke the monotany of all the other ZvTs out there that follow the exact same patterns. This is one of the few reps I've seen where defilers were used so often and effectively (particularly the plague usage). I think it's obvious that the goal of this game was not to win at any cost, the Z was obviously set on going on a plague/swarm themed strategy and he did it very well. Sure he made some mistakes that cost him the game, big deal. Going for such a hardcore, extremely aggressive strategy against a turtling Terran is obviously not ideal, but it was awesome to watch. It was as if the Zerg was saying "yeah I know Terran is the best turtling race, but my defilers will still kick your ass". It's obvious he had the game won many times, that's beside the point and should not have any relevance as to the quality of the replay, the skill of the players, or the entertainment value of the replay (which is WAY up there). All the people who are breaking this replay down and analyzing all the tiny mistakes are missing the whole point and appeal of this replay. Oh and I think Q-Tip is an annoying shit and banned him for his conduct in this thread. Agree with me if you want, but he's gone. | ||
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MPXMX
Canada4309 Posts
Hooray! | ||
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bio.dante
Czech Republic290 Posts
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SLLIKSKILLS
United States45 Posts
On March 20 2005 18:48 Q-Tip wrote: if the world were run by you then this rep would be golden, but it isn't so it sucks. Here are the reasons why (i guess i have to state them for you because you have an IQ of 10) 1. Terran was whay too passive, he basically let the zerg get to hive tech expo etc. 2. Going fast hive tech unless your going fast guard is really really stupid. 3. The Zerg was sending all these small attacks that weren't doing ANY damage what so ever. 4.Terrans marine control was shit. 5.Terrans macro was bad and he made terrible decisions ( i.e not transfering stuff to save valueable minerals in such a late stage in the came can either make or break you.) 6.The Zerg just sucks period.Insted of throwing small clumps of units away take the map and just MASS everything since the Terran is just sitting. ETC ETC. also the terran has 3K+ gas later in the game...WHY THE FUCK AREN'T YOU MASSING VESSELS AND IRRADATE HARASSING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! AS IF you would rmember to irradiate harrass after playing an hour long game as intense as that one. You'd just be trying to outlast your opponent silly. dont be foolish. think | ||
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ban :)
Denmark238 Posts
i also like this game ! | ||
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Doctorasul
Romania1145 Posts
Q-Tip, thank you for getting yourself banned. | ||
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n00bsaibot
United States1070 Posts
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Terross
United States878 Posts
On March 22 2005 18:09 n00bsaibot wrote: Thats what i get for watching a replay with players ive never heard of. One of the most boring replays i have ever seen. I'll stick to progamer replays only thank you. ... I feel like slapping you upside the head for that generalization. | ||
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_AreS_
72 Posts
On March 21 2005 10:04 Q-Tip wrote: For the last time im not posting any replays so you idiots can see me play. I can post w/e the fuck my opinion is and if you don't like it you can take those 7 posts and stick them where the sun don't shine. Having opinions is OK but flamming like freak IS NOT, think about it.... | ||
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he should have won..great macro performance 
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. There's good players on this forum and people with a good theorectical knowledge of the game and you can't just come on here and sound your mouth off without knowing what you're talking about (which you clearly don't). People will flame you if you do, that's the bottom line really and you deserve the abuse you recieved.