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Most of the nice people answering in this thread plainly stated the same thing : " We don't dislike SC2, we just like BW more" While this statement might be true, I believe it only shows the emerged portion of the iceberg.
There is bitterness (one can sense it reading through the thread) among old school TLers - who are highly respectable for being precisely that - and that bitterness comes from the fact that SC2 has in the world (and thus probably where they live) a higher recognition from the average gamer. SC2 might be THE game that we were all waiting to launch eSports into a higher level outside of Korea. SC2 is probably the future of eSports and while it's still young, it has evolved a lot during a year. Or so top casters said. And while BW is the game where the players are the most refined, the gap between the two games is narrowing day by day. Which means die-hard BW veterans will be more and more isolated. I am not sure that the relative peaceful discussion happening here will be identical when SC2 will have the same level of plays (if ever of course)
In France we say that " France is not like it used to be " and while this is true, it has a second understanding that is : " France was never like it used to be ". Sweet memories of the past are just that, memories and they are not objective.
I hope every SC:BW fan someday will be able to enjoy watching SC2 as much as I do.
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On July 29 2011 20:58 Otolia wrote:I hope every SC:BW fan someday will be able to enjoy watching SC2 as much as I do.
Don't talk about it like SC2 is going to replace BW one day. That might happen, it might not. SC2 hasn't taken off in South Korea yet and it isn't looking like it will anytime soon. BW is still doing fine even if the potential of MBCGame closing is a bit scary.
Also, I can't speak for other people who enjoy BW but if BW dies I probably won't pay any attention to the SC2 scene. I just don't enjoy watching it. Although if Bisu started playing SC2...
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sc2 players secretly know that if sc2 was simply a game that didn't have the name "starcraft" in it, there wouldn't be any of this esports craze with sc2 we see right now.
sc2 is only great b/c it's riding on the greatness of its predecessor.
sure sc2 is a good game. but there are many other good rts. it's not special
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On July 29 2011 20:58 Otolia wrote:
Most of the nice people answering in this thread plainly stated the same thing : " We don't dislike SC2, we just like BW more" While this statement might be true, I believe it only shows the emerged portion of the iceberg.
There is bitterness (one can sense it reading through the thread) among old school TLers - who are highly respectable for being precisely that - and that bitterness comes from the fact that SC2 has in the world (and thus probably where they live) a higher recognition from the average gamer. SC2 might be THE game that we were all waiting to launch eSports into a higher level outside of Korea. SC2 is probably the future of eSports and while it's still young, it has evolved a lot during a year. Or so top casters said. And while BW is the game where the players are the most refined, the gap between the two games is narrowing day by day. Which means die-hard BW veterans will be more and more isolated. I am not sure that the relative peaceful discussion happening here will be identical when SC2 will have the same level of plays (if ever of course)
In France we say that " France is not like it used to be " and while this is true, it has a second understanding that is : " France was never like it used to be ". Sweet memories of the past are just that, memories and they are not objective.
I hope every SC:BW fan someday will be able to enjoy watching SC2 as much as I do.
I know it's hard for you to accept but the reality is that most BW fans (foreign AND Korean) just don't care what happens to SC2 either way. To us it's a separate game. It's nice for SC2 fans if it succeeds and too bad if it doesn't. But we just don't care.
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On July 29 2011 20:58 Otolia wrote:
I hope every SC:BW fan someday will be able to enjoy watching SC2 as much as I do.
Pay attention to what's been said in the thread and stop trying to convert us. If competitive BW disappears, I'm not going to start watching SC2. I'll probably just stop watching eSports, and watch more football.
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On July 29 2011 21:10 raviy wrote:Show nested quote +On July 29 2011 20:58 Otolia wrote:
I hope every SC:BW fan someday will be able to enjoy watching SC2 as much as I do. Pay attention to what's been said in the thread and stop trying to convert us. If competitive BW disappears, I'm not going to start watching SC2. I'll probably just stop watching eSports, and watch more football.
qft my dear man
football as in the AFL? the etihad stadium is just a 40 min ride away for me but somehow i find myself being unable to get into it. watch english football mostly.
anyway, if you assert that sc2 is here to replace BW (whether directly or indirectly), you're bound to meet some hostility. if the BW scene would have been better off (now, i'm not saying this as if it were true) without sc2, then quite obviously we have intense dislike for sc2.
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On July 29 2011 21:10 raviy wrote:Show nested quote +On July 29 2011 20:58 Otolia wrote:
I hope every SC:BW fan someday will be able to enjoy watching SC2 as much as I do. Pay attention to what's been said in the thread and stop trying to convert us. If competitive BW disappears, I'm not going to start watching SC2. I'll probably just stop watching eSports, and watch more football.
Yeah.. this is how it is for me too. If BW died I would only lose contact with SC2. Now I stumble on good games when I look for BW here on teamliquid.
The only thing that would make me follow sc2 would be if Jaedong swiched.
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On July 29 2011 20:57 kwkwookw wrote:
sc2 S-ranked play is like D level play from BW players.
knowing this, why would anyone watch sc2.
the only reason why sc2 is so popular in teamliquid is because westerners are so deluded by this whole WESTERN ESPORTS phenomenon. HAHAHA yes, because esports can be created by a group of people where the best player is like what....naniwa? LOL GTFO bitches.
bring me someone even remotely close to the talent of sea before i watching fkn sc2
We went over this if you don't like SC2 you don't have to bash it, and SC2 people don't have to convert BW people, You people are the source of all evil
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On July 28 2011 06:23 G3CKO wrote:
With SC2 this website seemed to have attracted a bunch of immature kiddies that don't understand much about how this site works or how BW works. Those people seem to give a lot of SC2 players a bad name.
Pretty much, I don't have respect for a majority of the posters.
And any of the ones who come forth spewing bad shit about BW make me want to kill a fucking kitten
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I have about as much respect for SC2 players as I have for WoW players. Working on a userscript to remove any posts that contain the words "SC2|Starcraft 2" etc... from my browser 
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Brood War players seems to get the idea of not harboring any respect for no one but other Brood War players, even those who play both games. and turned this thread into a SC2 hate thread over night. I have lost faith in the Brood War community
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On July 29 2011 21:41 Blasterion wrote:
Brood War players seems to get the idea of not harboring any respect for no one but other Brood War players, even those who play both games. and turned this thread into a SC2 hate thread over night. I have lost faith in the Brood War community
It's a very loud, vocal minority.
At least, I think it's a very loud, vocal minority. The alternative would make me sad.
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I am impressed by the multitude of great posts ITT explaining how the average BW fan (read: me  ) feels about SC2 - most of us have tried SC2 and think it's a solid game but not the successor to BW that we had hoped for, and our hostility is mostly directed towards SC2 trolls.
However, even though I feel neutral about the game itself, I actually do resent SC2 quite a bit even ignoring how it affected TL's usability. Before SC2 came out, foreigner BW was growing and improving. Some of that growth was undoubtedly due to SC2, but I very much doubt it was the primary cause. But when SC2 came out, the foreigner scene was all but wiped out. No more ret streaming, no more TSLs, no more Day9, no more rooting for Idra, no more WCG, no more of the numerous tournaments that had popped up... and many of the players who switched from BW to SC2 prefer BW. It is basically impossible not to resent SC2 for destroying all of that, especially when so much of its success is derived from it being the sequel to BW.
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On July 29 2011 21:45 Elyvilon wrote:Show nested quote +On July 29 2011 21:41 Blasterion wrote:
Brood War players seems to get the idea of not harboring any respect for no one but other Brood War players, even those who play both games. and turned this thread into a SC2 hate thread over night. I have lost faith in the Brood War community It's a very loud, vocal minority. At least, I think it's a very loud, vocal minority. The alternative would make me sad.
As many have stated, the BW community is mostly only hostile when provoked. Blasterion has posted in this thread almost 40 times. He's doing a lot of the provoking.
Also, a lack of respect is not the same as "hate". Respect is something that must be earned, and the SC2 community simply hasn't earned that from me. Don't feel bad, neither have most communities in the world. I don't have much ill-will towards the SC2 community in general though, just as I don't have ill-will against most of the world.
I don't get the sense that the communities are feuding, or even feel animosity toward the other. It's just a vocal minority inciting heated arguments.
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On July 29 2011 21:41 Blasterion wrote:
Brood War players seems to get the idea of not harboring any respect for no one but other Brood War players, even those who play both games. and turned this thread into a SC2 hate thread over night. I have lost faith in the Brood War community
Maybe you should stop generalizing
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While last year I was ruing the influx of new posters coming just for SC2, this thread makes me realise that the posting standard of BW posters wasn't as good as I remembered it to be.
What I like about BW:
1. it is the better game imo; the balance is so unique and just so right; I'm shocked how Blizzard accidentally made this such a great game
2. the players are better; actually, MC, MVP etc aren't fit to tie Flash's laces; if TBLS switched, they would make a mockery of the SC2 scene within 2 months
3. the graphics are crisper and it is easier to discern what happens in battles
4. better "wow" moments, e.g. Reaver shots, hold lurkers, Jangbi storms; incredible micro is more incredible in BW because you know how impossibly difficult it is; more excitement overall
5. the battles are longer; it's not one ball v another ball and 3d explosions cover your screen and its all over; actually, it's funny how although macro is easier in SC2, the game design makes micro less important in SC2 than in BW anyway, i.e. meaning BW has far, far, faaaaar more depth than SC2
What I like about SC2:
1. the players are more involved in the community, esp on TL; you can really follow the journey of the players, e.g. ThorZaIN's cinderella story in the TSL, HuK's incredible redemption at Dreamhack; even the Koreans involve themselves with the community
2. more marketability; I like watching SC2, feeling as though I'm part of a new era in popularising esports
3. more prize money makes the tournaments seem more significant
4. more English coverage; the production values of Dreamhack and TSL are just superb, and I can actually understand the commentary, instead of in BW where its just like grucho grucho tiiiming attackuhhh grucho grucho daebak daebakkkkk ahhhhh geee geeeeeeee
TLDR: BW is the better game; i just wish it had updated graphics and better marketability; however, in SC2, the involvement of the general community, the players and the teams is just AMAZING
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As said before, the only link between BW and SC2 is the "starcraft" and units name. This is what the BW comunity generaly thinks. People coming in threads talking about the sc2 and the mighty ESPORTS is seen a bit like a super smash bros payer coming in a street fighter thread and posting WHY IS HE NOT THROWING HIS FALCON PUNCH. pointless and anoying.
Of course BW have their share of trolls. Of course there are some BW fan that want to BWify SC2; generaly not well received by their comunity counterparts, I don't think they represent the majority.
On the other side of what i have seen (maybe not the reality at all), some part of the sc2 community feel entitled to the BW legacy, it is clear for them that sc2 is indeed the heir and want the "old game" to die asap so their's can get all the veterans and fans.
They feel thay can ride the 12 years of history BW had and make it their own in a couple of years. Part that pisses me off is that it is actually succedding, more and more pro gamers are jumping the bidge, not because the game is better, but because there is alot more of money pumping throught the veins thanks to blizzard's marketting and the more casual aproach.
Fun exercise: Take the BW stance towards SC2 and compare it to SC2 towards League of legends. Being a BW fan this amuses me a lot
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On July 29 2011 21:41 Blasterion wrote:
Brood War players seems to get the idea of not harboring any respect for no one but other Brood War players, even those who play both games. and turned this thread into a SC2 hate thread over night. I have lost faith in the Brood War community
You started posting in BW forums yesterday with the false preconceived notion that BW fans hate and trash talk SC2 and SC2 players because their bitter elitists.
On July 28 2011 08:08 Blasterion wrote:
Because Brood War fans are fantatics that can't tolerate anything other than Brood War and attack SC2 with every chance they get.
On July 28 2011 08:22 Blasterion wrote:Show nested quote +On July 28 2011 08:20 Brad` wrote:On July 28 2011 08:18 Blasterion wrote:On July 28 2011 08:11 Crisium wrote:On July 28 2011 08:08 Blasterion wrote:
Because Brood War fans are fantatics that can't tolerate anything other than Brood War and attack SC2 with every chance they get. And here's an example of why the SC2 trolls get on our nerves. here's an example of why the Brood War trolls get on our nerves. Because they call you out for stupid posting? ok. Because they're elitist jerks mostly
I don't care at all for your passive-agressive shit. All you do is sling random baseless accusations BW fans this BW players that...
On July 29 2011 01:58 Blasterion wrote:Show nested quote +On July 29 2011 01:52 ffreakk wrote:On July 28 2011 23:34 supernovamaniac wrote:On July 28 2011 23:33 Achromic wrote:On July 28 2011 06:27 puppykiller wrote:
No one I know is hostile to ppl who are switching from sc2 to BW. Most hostility i notice is directed towards ppl who know absolutely nothing about BW trying to talk about the game like they play it everyday. Yeah this. New Starcraft 2 players who argue against long time BW players thinking they are on equal grounds pisses me off the most. Equally, there are those who bash at SC2 without actually trying out the game. I dont know man.. I was under the imperssion that most of the Starcraft (Brood War) fans would be curious, if not excited about SC2, so most of them should have tried already.. Even if there are people who havnt tried out Sc2, they should be few and far between. BW folks think they're better because supposedly their game has a bigger skill ceiling (up to debate) Because they think no autocasting, no multibuilding selection, no auto mine, no 255 unit selection limit makes them better players ( up to debate) and bash SC2 because they refer to it as a watered down game.(up to debate) SC2 has a bigger population so we have a fair number of trolls but to shift the blame to the SC2 community entirely is cowardly
On July 29 2011 11:55 Blasterion wrote:Show nested quote +On July 29 2011 11:48 Sawamura wrote:
On the other hand sc2 it self I could not even called it worthy to have a starcraft name I think this is another reason why BW fans are disliked Seems some BW Fans just dislike SC2 because it's SC2 and not BW.
Screw you.
Edit: spelling
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On July 29 2011 22:01 ShadeR wrote:Show nested quote +On July 29 2011 21:41 Blasterion wrote:
Brood War players seems to get the idea of not harboring any respect for no one but other Brood War players, even those who play both games. and turned this thread into a SC2 hate thread over night. I have lost faith in the Brood War community You started posting in BW forums yesterday with the false preconceived notion that BW fans hate and trash talk SC2 and SC2 players because their bitter elitists. Show nested quote +On July 28 2011 08:08 Blasterion wrote:
Because Brood War fans are fantatics that can't tolerate anything other than Brood War and attack SC2 with every chance they get. Show nested quote +On July 28 2011 08:22 Blasterion wrote:On July 28 2011 08:20 Brad` wrote:On July 28 2011 08:18 Blasterion wrote:On July 28 2011 08:11 Crisium wrote:On July 28 2011 08:08 Blasterion wrote:
Because Brood War fans are fantatics that can't tolerate anything other than Brood War and attack SC2 with every chance they get. And here's an example of why the SC2 trolls get on our nerves. here's an example of why the Brood War trolls get on our nerves. Because they call you out for stupid posting? ok. Because they're elitist jerks mostly I don't care at all for you passive-agressive shit. All you do is sling random baseless accusations BW fans this BW players that... Show nested quote +On July 29 2011 01:58 Blasterion wrote:On July 29 2011 01:52 ffreakk wrote:On July 28 2011 23:34 supernovamaniac wrote:On July 28 2011 23:33 Achromic wrote:On July 28 2011 06:27 puppykiller wrote:
No one I know is hostile to ppl who are switching from sc2 to BW. Most hostility i notice is directed towards ppl who know absolutely nothing about BW trying to talk about the game like they play it everyday. Yeah this. New Starcraft 2 players who argue against long time BW players thinking they are on equal grounds pisses me off the most. Equally, there are those who bash at SC2 without actually trying out the game. I dont know man.. I was under the imperssion that most of the Starcraft (Brood War) fans would be curious, if not excited about SC2, so most of them should have tried already.. Even if there are people who havnt tried out Sc2, they should be few and far between. BW folks think they're better because supposedly their game has a bigger skill ceiling (up to debate) Because they think no autocasting, no multibuilding selection, no auto mine, no 255 unit selection limit makes them better players ( up to debate) and bash SC2 because they refer to it as a watered down game.(up to debate) SC2 has a bigger population so we have a fair number of trolls but to shift the blame to the SC2 community entirely is cowardly Show nested quote +On July 29 2011 11:55 Blasterion wrote:On July 29 2011 11:48 Sawamura wrote:
On the other hand sc2 it self I could not even called it worthy to have a starcraft name I think this is another reason why BW fans are disliked Seems some BW Fans just dislike SC2 because it's SC2 and not BW. Screw you.
I think you can present a better argument than just screw you.
In my quotes did you not see some of the things other people posted? are they not bitter elitist that shit on everything that is not Brood War?
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