EPTwhen was the last time STX came close to winning something major? Or a player in the finals of a major tournament?
STX Puts up their entire player roster for trade - Page 26
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Torenhire
United States11681 Posts
when was the last time STX came close to winning something major? Or a player in the finals of a major tournament? | ||
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amazingoopah
United States1925 Posts
If they wanted to shake it up, they could have done 1 for 2 trades that some people have already recommended like Calm and Kal for promising (and cheap) rookies but to announce you want to trade everyone sounds desperate. | ||
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amazingoopah
United States1925 Posts
On July 21 2011 02:14 Mr.Brightside wrote: Who doesn't love Shuttle? Jaehoon doesn't love Shuttle... any shuttles for that matter, he always gets them killed  | ||
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butter
United States785 Posts
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Mr.Brightside
Australia317 Posts
On July 21 2011 04:45 amazingoopah wrote: Jaehoon doesn't love Shuttle... any shuttles for that matter, he always gets them killed Jaehoon gets everything killed :/ Makes me sad to be a protoss player. | ||
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IntoTheEmo
Singapore1170 Posts
On July 21 2011 05:04 Mr.Brightside wrote: Jaehoon gets everything killed :/ Makes me sad to be a protoss player. Myself and 200+ sad FPL owners beg to differ | ||
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kyg9505
United States1 Post
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GhandiEAGLE
United States20754 Posts
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vx70GTOJudgexv
United States3161 Posts
On July 21 2011 04:39 Torenhire wrote: What people need to understand, and hopefully Mustaju understands - is that they are doing this so that STX doesn't die off. STX in its current form won't last with its sponsorship for much longer, at least going off of what the coach is saying. when was the last time STX came close to winning something major? Or a player in the finals of a major tournament? Avalon was roughly 2 years ago. | ||
swanized
Canada2480 Posts
LOL On July 21 2011 03:08 Torenhire wrote: Hero is hero, lol. I don't even see him play hardly anymore. Hero is a solid ZvP sniper, problem is every zerg is a ZvP sniper nowadays so... | ||
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amazingoopah
United States1925 Posts
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QTIP.
United States2113 Posts
On July 21 2011 02:44 Torenhire wrote: Really?? Come on dude. R1CH needs to wizard up some shit for this thread that any time someone types in "SC2" it just reverts to "Brood War" or something. Sorry about that! I just think they are amazing players and would love to see their gosu-ness come through in a SC2 game. Didn't mean any harm! | ||
Iplaythings
Denmark9110 Posts
On July 21 2011 05:53 QTIP. wrote: Sorry about that! I just think they are amazing players and would love to see their gosu-ness come through in a SC2 game. Didn't mean any harm! Yeah but you should know better, especially as threads as these it will ONLY offend people I kind of feel sorry for STX fans though, I know I would be killing myself if it was KT... Though CSheep's "..." was pretty amusing one way or the other | ||
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Kipsate
Netherlands45349 Posts
In all seriousness, I don't think people will want to trade STX A teamers, sure theyl want bogus but I don't think anyone can put up a guy(or will) to trade for bogus who is at the same or higher level. Oz could use a Protoss though, I wouldn't mind Shuttle ^^. | ||
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Icekommander
Canada483 Posts
On July 21 2011 04:22 white_horse wrote: It's STX's coach that actually proposed and got permission from STX to do this, not STX themselves. And why do you think corporations tend to be dicks? are you one of those anti-big business guys lol? By nature, Corporations need to consider money first. And that means placing money over the player's feelings. | ||
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andrewlt
United States7702 Posts
On July 21 2011 06:47 Icekommander wrote: By nature, Corporations need to consider money first. And that means placing money over the player's feelings. Pretty sure professional sports teams place winning first over player's feelings. I don't remember a huge outcry from Laker fans to consider Kwame Brown's feelings. And the entire team besides Kobe was on the trading block then. | ||
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VGhost
United States3621 Posts
On July 21 2011 04:43 amazingoopah wrote: Horrendous decision to announce this, they come to the bargaining table with their full hand showing. If they wanted to shake it up, they could have done 1 for 2 trades that some people have already recommended like Calm and Kal for promising (and cheap) rookies but to announce you want to trade everyone sounds desperate. Actually, I think it's the other way around. The completely open season may be bad for team morale, but STX has had morale problems for the past couple years so that's a minor consideration - and the bargaining advantages go to STX. What are other options? If we went with normal BW "bargaining": A team wants a specific player to bolster their roster -> Go out and just buy the player. Reach to KT, YellOw to KT, Bisu to SKT, July to SKT, July to STX, fOrGG to KT, Midas to WeMade, CH to KT, Light to Woongjin. I'm sure I've forgotten some. This is the kind of thing that shouldn't happen in a really established sport (MLB and Euro soccer deals notwithstanding) as it gives a huge advantage to the teams with money (incidentally as a Stars fan the Light deal was huge for me because it indicates management is committed to paying enough to win - even if in retrospect selling CH first means the Woongjin budget is relatively limited). But here STX doesn't have clear weaknesses, and with Kal/Calm on roster already probably isn't prepared to pay for a third A-class (actually 4th, but Bogus is home-grown and new right now, so probably not expensive) to bolster an already decent team. Now if the team has an overpaid player or players, or players they want to get rid of because of scheme, but they're still clearly useful to somebody (or can be advertised as such, at least), they can be shopped around to get the best deal. But who exactly do they want to get rid of? Kal and Calm are workhorses for the team, and thus valuable. They can demand a lot for them in theory - but if you want to get rid of Kal, say, everybody is going to want to know why, and bid low. Bogus is the new ace; Shuttle's still threatening to be a top Protoss. That gives us by.hero, Modesty, hyvaa, Classic as players STX might want to get rid of - but every team already has mediocre Zergs, and only a few teams (OZ?) will want to take a risk on a 3rd year Terran who's clearly still a project. But if they say, "we're blowing up the team", even if they want to hold on to a couple players - for instance, we're all agreed they'd be insane to let Bogus go, and I think management ought to want Shuttle as well - there are reasons to not advertise it outright. If everyone knew they wanted to get rid of a specific player (in this case, say, Kal or by.hero), then negotiations reflect that and they won't get much. Whereas if they don't say specifically who they want to let go, they can demand a higher price: "Well we wanted to keep that guy actually, but if you were willing to do this as well..." | ||
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eviltomahawk
United States11135 Posts
I hope everything works out with this trading-overhaul. STX has recently felt like a decent team, but definitely lacking in the extra x-factor that the more successful teams have. Hopefully, this will benefit STX positively, as I fear for STX's survival if everything turns out to be worse in the end. | ||
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Kal_rA1
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e_i_pi_1_0
933 Posts
Has there been any word, official or not, on whether there have been any offers by the other teams? | ||
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