Yellow has officially announced his retirement from professional gaming. He posted the following on his fan cafe (website).
I thought it had been a long time since I had posted on the cafe, but when I looked around I found one from about a month ago ^^
All of the sudden, I find it's been ten years since I've started progaming. As much as it was a long time, I can recall many faint memories. Because my fans were always with me, I think they were all happy ones.
As time passes and I approach the age of 30... So many things seem to change.
You can tell just from how I've gone from being cared for as the youngest, to becoming the big brother of the team ^^
Even though I'm not that old, I'm called an old veteran on this road as a progamer
And from that road I now depart.
I'm so sorry to the fans who still have big expectations of me But I'm endlessly ashamed of myself for subtly clinging here because of that.
Because I still prefer a life of seeking challenges instead of shelter I want to start trying new challenges, under the name of a new beginning.
My immature 20's, where everything was defined by gaming Because of you were with me, it shined brightly, and I will never forget.
To everyone who cheered for and remembered the Pro-gamer Hong Jin Ho Thank you from the bottom of my heart.
*It would be proper to leave this on other websites as well, but retiring isn't something to be proud of...
I thought it would be better to end it where it all began at Jinho-dong [the fan site].
So please allow me to bring things to an end here.
Hong Jin Ho, you're a legend and I'll never ever forget you. Good luck in your future endeavors. Your presence will be sorely missed. thanks for everything
Nooooooooooooo~!!!!!!!!!! Even though he doesnt plays in proleague nowadays, but this is still......... Truly an end to an era... I cant imagine this day has come !! Who's next, Reach? The last of the old skool progamers from the Coca Cola OSL... T_T 홍진호, good luck in future endeavours....
I'm not going to be sad and say NOOOO, because we all knew deep down it was coming. He couldn't continue, and wanted to stop with dignity. This by no means indicates he's done with eSports for good, that IMO is impossible.
Instead, we should rejoice in his long and great career. As in a funeral, rather than being sad your friend is gone I always feel they'd rather that you rejoice in the good times you had with them, and remember them with happiness rather than sadness. Long live Hong Jin Ho, absolute and uptmost respect to him, and I am sure to never forget (in my nemonic technique for memorising the state of a Rubik's Cube when doing blind-fold solving, one of the pieces [Yellow - Green] is "Hong Jin Ho" in fact it's brother [Green - Yellow] is "Reach" , Y-R is "Fantasy" and R-Y is "Jaedong" fuck yea progamers!)
My first live BW event was Blizzcon 2005. YellOw dominated. I remember his play really well to this day. It was absolutely awe inspiring for someone who hadn't watched live BW before, as he at one point checkmated Reach by sniping all of his observers and NARROWLY placing a lurker on a high ground above an expansion, just as the overlord was destroyed.
Just after Moktira upolads his very first OSL and brings back some bittersweet memories, this happens... No matter how many jokes about kong being #2, he was always #1 in my eyes, ever since coca cola OSL. This is really sad news. It had to happen, but still.
Good luck Hong Jin Ho, no matter what you decide to do in your life !
Man, I'm sad. I still remember his epic game on HBR vs Bisu, where Bisu was dominating every Zerg, and Yellow *seemed* like a washed up has-been. Game was so tense, one of the few I wasn't sad that Bisu lost.
On June 16 2011 01:37 FabledIntegral wrote: Man, I'm sad. I still remember his epic game on HBR vs Bisu, where Bisu was dominating every Zerg, and Yellow *seemed* like a washed up has-been. Game was so tense, one of the few I wasn't sad that Bisu lost.
I still remember that day very well. LR exploded that Yellow was owning Bisu (admittedly I was a little sad for bisu that day). But god damn that was an exhilarating game.
On June 16 2011 01:37 FabledIntegral wrote: Man, I'm sad. I still remember his epic game on HBR vs Bisu, where Bisu was dominating every Zerg, and Yellow *seemed* like a washed up has-been. Game was so tense, one of the few I wasn't sad that Bisu lost.
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO YOU CAN'T REITRE. NOT UNTIL YOU HAVE GRABBED YOUR FIRST OSL/MSL DAMN IT!!!!! HONG JIN HOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!
Horrible news. First Boxer, Savior, Nal_ra, and Nada leave and now Yellow. Reach is the only prominent player left from early BW. Then again, they have other goals in their lives. Yellow has done great work to keep the BW-scene alive, especially during his time in Air Force Ace. How great it was to watch him beat Bisu and go Hive-tech vs. Jaedong AND WIN! Best of luck in the future.
Yeah, Reach and Xellos would be the next out the door. Canata is in limbo, and Midas will be due for the military eventually. Anytime is a little younger so he still has some career ahead.
On June 16 2011 01:45 Emon_ wrote: Horrible news. First Boxer, Savior, Nal_ra, and Nada leave and now Yellow. Reach is the only prominent player left from early BW. Then again, they have other goals in their lives. Yellow has done great work to keep the BW-scene alive, especially during his time in Air Force Ace. How great it was to watch him beat Bisu and go Hive-tech vs. Jaedong AND WIN! Best of luck in the future.
what about that game against horang2?
wait just a sec,if you want to recollect Yellow's games from last year you should watch the starting of this.
I really want to know the song used for Yellow's segment.
FML. I just can't get hyped up for the new players like I did for the old guard. Yellow should come to SC2 after his break. The mechanics are much easier on someone of his advanced age.
Yeah SC2 would be awesome, Yellow and Boxer duking it out like the old days. A new chance for retiring players, inspiring environment (and the endless western tournaments to milk for money).
He might be able to make some serious cash as a full time coach in a SC2 foreign team house or something and bring up them to great heights. Look at what Boxer (and many others) have accomplished with SlayerS
I would like to state for the record Boxer called him out to play SC2 during one of his TSL interviews time will tell whether he will accept the challenge or not.
Because I still prefer a life of seeking challenges instead of shelter I want to start trying new challenges, under the name of a new beginning.
My immature 20's, where everything was defined by gaming Because of you were with me, it shined brightly, and I will never forget.
sounds like he's slightly ashamed of his time in esports, almost as if he's taken stock and decided he's not happy with what he has going forward.
bit of a shame, but presuming this is true (which it may not be) i can imagine yellow won't be the only one to leave with this sort of sentiment .. :<
wonder when esports will grow to the point where organisations can start putting programs in place to help retired progamers transition into other careers.
On June 16 2011 01:12 qzmpwxno wrote: He should have tried SC2, lol
You never know, he might go out of retirement to start playing SC2.
Boxer vs Yellow finals in SC2 would be sick
Sadly, there's no way Boxer is ever getting to a finals.
The "I want to try new challenges, a new beginning" could be read as a new game, but most likely he's out of progaming forever. Perhaps he'll become a coach. I think that's more likely.
This made me so sad. Such a great player reitring.
Any chance to see him as a coach? or maybe even a commentator? i don't want to see Yellow go so soon. I'll be blue without him playing. Maybe its just he is a little red in the face from all the fans, and will stay.
I didn't get into pro BW until after his era, but I still always rooted for Yellow whenever I had the chance. One of the most likable guys and likable stories. He'll be missed!
He really is a man dedicated to what he loved... it will be sad to seem him leave. I am sure though, that with his dedication, he will be successful in his future occupation. I wish him luck and appreciate the fact that he didn't move onto SC2 like some less dedicated players.
I hope Yellow achieves greatness in whatever road he chooses to take, the dedication he put into BW is a sign of great perseverance. What he learned as a person as he matured on the scene will help him greatly in succeeding in the future. Some people might not believe this but succeeding in Pro-Gaming is tougher than in more wealthier careers.
An era ends indeed...so sad Yellow was my favorite pro. I always thought him and Reach would retire at the same time for some reason,they always go together in their careers like a package. Anyways I hope he doesnt switch to sc2 because I wanna remember him as a bw legend. sadly I feel bw wont last long either,I think the sc2 expansion will be the end of it. Best of luck Yellow.
On June 16 2011 02:04 Coulthard wrote: An era ends indeed...so sad Yellow was my favorite pro. I always thought him and Reach would retire at the same time for some reason,they always go together in their careers like a package. Anyways I hope he doesnt switch to sc2 because I wanna remember him as a bw legend. sadly I feel bw wont last long either,I think the sc2 expansion will be the end of it.
Yay another great moment to say that BW is dead! Right when it loses one of its most loved players!
On June 16 2011 02:04 Coulthard wrote: An era ends indeed...so sad Yellow was my favorite pro. I always thought him and Reach would retire at the same time for some reason,they always go together in their careers like a package. Anyways I hope he doesnt switch to sc2 because I wanna remember him as a bw legend. sadly I feel bw wont last long either,I think the sc2 expansion will be the end of it.
Yay another great moment to say that BW is dead! Right when it loses one of its most loved players!
Yellow. I guess it was his time to retire, it's sort of like a melancholic happiness for me. I first rooted for him as a counterpoint to my stepdad's boxer worship, and he was a big reason I cheered for ace when I got back into the scene. Good luck and Godspeed, Hong Jin Ho.
The guy has been around forever. And not only that - he has actually been around forever. Seems like a good time to stop if he wanna try something else. Still sad though, he is such a phenomenon.
On June 16 2011 02:02 IamBach wrote: He really is a man dedicated to what he loved... it will be sad to seem him leave. I am sure though, that with his dedication, he will be successful in his future occupation. I wish him luck and appreciate the fact that he didn't move onto SC2 like some less dedicated players.
Are you calling Boxer less dedicated than Yellow? I don't think moving to SC2 will make him any less dedicated to esport. If he couldn't entertain his fans in SCBW and still wants to be a progamer than why not move to sc2. I actually do hope he moves to SC2, really want to see storm zerg still stay in esport.
On June 16 2011 01:45 Emon_ wrote: Horrible news. First Boxer, Savior, Nal_ra, and Nada leave and now Yellow. Reach is the only prominent player left from early BW. Then again, they have other goals in their lives. Yellow has done great work to keep the BW-scene alive, especially during his time in Air Force Ace. How great it was to watch him beat Bisu and go Hive-tech vs. Jaedong AND WIN! Best of luck in the future.
what about that game against horang2?
He's been around for ten years and still had skills enough to beat both Jaedong and Bisu - two of the best BW gamers ever. Not to mention beating them in their greatest match-up (ZvZ and PvZ). That's an accomplishment that is hard to grasp. Horang2 is showing great form right now (#4 ELO rank) - but he's not as good, or legendary, as Jaedong or Bisu.
People says that it's sad, i kind feel happy for him, bw wasn't being super productive for him anymore, all he had left was his legacy, so i believe it's a smart move, though he sounds a bit depressed good luck to him and his future projects.
uuhhh:'( Well all the luck to u yellow in ur future! U have done many nice things to ous. Off topic I met a sick Terran player yesterday on the eu server(sc2) that had really good macro in high masters.!
While Yellow was a loveable figure, he hasn't really put much of a fight for the past couple of years. I hope he considers being a coach some day, as we would always love to have him around. Best of luck in the future Yellow.
Since the GSL is off this week, I've been watching some Brood War. What/where are some VODs of Yellow that I should seek out to learn what was lost? Even when I was a BW fan, I don't think I've ever seen a Yellow game.
Farewell YellOw, thanks for the legacy you have left behind. The memories are great and will be cherished. Hopefully he reaches the top of whatever he chooses to pursue next in his life. Or at least, second from the top.
They should not give silver medals for the next 10 years, in his honor. Nothing but deep respect for him. Factoring the length and quality of his whole carrier, he's easily in top 10 all time BW players.
On June 16 2011 02:43 Ribbon wrote: Since the GSL is off this week, I've been watching some Brood War. What/where are some VODs of Yellow that I should seek out to learn what was lost? Even when I was a BW fan, I don't think I've ever seen a Yellow game.
On June 16 2011 02:43 Ribbon wrote: Since the GSL is off this week, I've been watching some Brood War. What/where are some VODs of Yellow that I should seek out to learn what was lost? Even when I was a BW fan, I don't think I've ever seen a Yellow game.
A couple of his best games (including my favorite game of all time) are in this thread.
갑작스러운 은퇴 선언으로 팬들에게 충격을 안겼던 홍진호의 향후 거취에 관심이 쏠리고 있다.
홍진호는 15일 자신의 팬카페에 은퇴 결심을 알렸다. 갑작스러운 홍진호의 은퇴 소식에 팬들은 당혹감을 감추지 못하면서 홍진호가 팬카페 글에 남겼던 '새로운 도전'이 무엇인지 여러 가지 추측이 돌고 있다.
일각에서 추측하는 것과 달리 홍진호는 스타크래프트2로 전향할 생각이 없는 것으로 알려졌다. 홍진호는 게임을 하는 것보다 다른 일로 팬들을 만나고 싶다는 의사를 밝혔고 게임 방송 일을 할 것이 유력한 것으로 전해졌다.
홍진호의 입담은 이미 여러 차례 방송을 통해 입증됐다. 따라서 게임 방송국에서는 해설자 영입 1순위로 홍진호를 꼽기도 했다. 홍진호가 은퇴를 결심하게 된 결정적인 이유도 한 방송국에서 접촉을 해왔기 때문인 것으로 보인다.
게임을 하지는 않지만 e스포츠와 관련된 일을 계속 하게 될 것이 확실함에 따라 홍진호의 은퇴로 서운해 하던 팬들은 안도의 한숨을 쉴 수 있게 됐다. 어떤 형태로든 홍진호의 모습을 계속 볼 수 있게 됐기 때문이다.
홍진호의 구체적인 향후 거취는 추후에 KT와 홍진호의 입장 정리가 완료되는 대로 팬들에게 공개될 것으로 알려졌다.
[데일리e스포츠 이소라 기자 sora@dailyesports.com]
summary: it is said that he has no interest in going to SC2, and while he won't be progaming any more, he's still likely to work in an esports-related career such as going on gaming TV shows
On June 16 2011 02:43 Ribbon wrote: Since the GSL is off this week, I've been watching some Brood War. What/where are some VODs of Yellow that I should seek out to learn what was lost? Even when I was a BW fan, I don't think I've ever seen a Yellow game.
On June 16 2011 02:37 thoradycus wrote: he needs to join sc2 so that he can pwn everyone and face MKP in the finals. gl tho
WHO WOULD GET THE SILVER?!?!!
Because Starcraft 2 is a failure, they couldn't actually afford gold. The loser gets a silver medal, and the winner gets another silver metal painted yellow.
On June 16 2011 02:43 Ribbon wrote: Since the GSL is off this week, I've been watching some Brood War. What/where are some VODs of Yellow that I should seek out to learn what was lost? Even when I was a BW fan, I don't think I've ever seen a Yellow game.
On June 16 2011 02:37 thoradycus wrote: he needs to join sc2 so that he can pwn everyone and face MKP in the finals. gl tho
WHO WOULD GET THE SILVER?!?!!
Because Starcraft 2 is a failure, they couldn't actually afford gold. The loser gets a silver medal, and the winner gets another silver metal painted yellow.
thats common practice in actual sports competitions...
갑작스러운 은퇴 선언으로 팬들에게 충격을 안겼던 홍진호의 향후 거취에 관심이 쏠리고 있다.
홍진호는 15일 자신의 팬카페에 은퇴 결심을 알렸다. 갑작스러운 홍진호의 은퇴 소식에 팬들은 당혹감을 감추지 못하면서 홍진호가 팬카페 글에 남겼던 '새로운 도전'이 무엇인지 여러 가지 추측이 돌고 있다.
일각에서 추측하는 것과 달리 홍진호는 스타크래프트2로 전향할 생각이 없는 것으로 알려졌다. 홍진호는 게임을 하는 것보다 다른 일로 팬들을 만나고 싶다는 의사를 밝혔고 게임 방송 일을 할 것이 유력한 것으로 전해졌다.
홍진호의 입담은 이미 여러 차례 방송을 통해 입증됐다. 따라서 게임 방송국에서는 해설자 영입 1순위로 홍진호를 꼽기도 했다. 홍진호가 은퇴를 결심하게 된 결정적인 이유도 한 방송국에서 접촉을 해왔기 때문인 것으로 보인다.
게임을 하지는 않지만 e스포츠와 관련된 일을 계속 하게 될 것이 확실함에 따라 홍진호의 은퇴로 서운해 하던 팬들은 안도의 한숨을 쉴 수 있게 됐다. 어떤 형태로든 홍진호의 모습을 계속 볼 수 있게 됐기 때문이다.
홍진호의 구체적인 향후 거취는 추후에 KT와 홍진호의 입장 정리가 완료되는 대로 팬들에게 공개될 것으로 알려졌다.
[데일리e스포츠 이소라 기자 sora@dailyesports.com]
summary: it is said that he has no interest in going to SC2, and while he won't be progaming any more, he's still likely to work in an esports-related career such as going on gaming TV shows
He certainly looked like he enjoyed himself on Hyungjoon's show.
It was a long career and he didn't believe he had any more chances left for a gold. I'm happy he played for all these years, it's longer than many of you may think. Hong Jin Ho definitely made his mark.
To be honest I hate every person who suggested he play SC2 instead. That would just be the loss of all dignity for Yellow. Boxer, an unbelievable legend, has already been brought down so low. It's not just about being able to live as a progamer, it's about being the best... You can't be the best if you purposely try to go somewhere with softer competition. That would just be too sad... I don't want to see any more legends desecrate their careers this way.
Well, I suppose it's appropriate that he waited for BoxeR to leave BW first. :|
It's always sad to see a legend pass, but I think this was definitely a good decision by YellOw. He knows that his prime as a player has been over for a long time - if he doesn't want to be a coach or a commentator, leaving altogether is surely the best decision for his future. Like he said in his farewell, the guy is almost thirty. He's already a legend in progaming, I'm not surprised that there are other things he wants to accomplish now.
Best of luck in the future, Jin-Ho! You won't be forgotten, even latecomers like me will remember and respect your name.
To be honest I hate every person who suggested he play SC2 instead. That would just be the loss of all dignity for Yellow. Boxer, an unbelievable legend, has already been brought down so low. It's not just about being able to live as a progamer, it's about being the best... You can't be the best if you purposely try to go somewhere with softer competition. That would just be too sad... I don't want to see any more legends desecrate their careers this way.
I disagree. It's no more of an indignity for BoxeR to play SC2 than it was for him to play BW after his prime as a player. Nobody can be the best forever (or even for more than a short while), and all of the old legends know that. If he doesn't want to play SC2, that's one thing. I honestly think it's pretty insulting to him to say that being anything besides the best (well, second best) isn't enough. Yes, competition in SC2 isn't as tough as it is in BW, but that wouldn't make YellOw (or Boxer, Nada, or July) a quitter for trying. There are a lot of things in life that are easier than being among the best BW players in the world, it doesn't reflect poorly on one of these players to try out something else.
And for what it's worth, BoxeR seems like he may have made another Iloveoov and SKT1. Say what you want about his current skills as a player, the man loves E-Sports, and he's doing a hell of a lot to make it even better. Do you think Iloveoov wants pity for coaching Fantasy to his first OSL victory, now that he's not a top player himself? I'm sure BoxeR feels the same way. (SC2 fans: Yeah, I don't mean the Super Tournament, I know MMA hasn't won that. Yet. I also know that BoxeR isn't a literal coach any more, but it's clear that he has a strong leadership role in SlayerS.)
On June 16 2011 02:58 Chef wrote: It was a long career and he didn't believe he had any more chances left for a gold. I'm happy he played for all these years, it's longer than many of you may think. Hong Jin Ho definitely made his mark.
To be honest I hate every person who suggested he play SC2 instead. That would just be the loss of all dignity for Yellow. Boxer, an unbelievable legend, has already been brought down so low. It's not just about being able to live as a progamer, it's about being the best... You can't be the best if you purposely try to go somewhere with softer competition. That would just be too sad... I don't want to see any more legends desecrate their careers this way.
On June 16 2011 02:58 Chef wrote: It was a long career and he didn't believe he had any more chances left for a gold. I'm happy he played for all these years, it's longer than many of you may think. Hong Jin Ho definitely made his mark.
To be honest I hate every person who suggested he play SC2 instead. That would just be the loss of all dignity for Yellow. Boxer, an unbelievable legend, has already been brought down so low. It's not just about being able to live as a progamer, it's about being the best... You can't be the best if you purposely try to go somewhere with softer competition. That would just be too sad... I don't want to see any more legends desecrate their careers this way.
On June 16 2011 02:58 Chef wrote: It was a long career and he didn't believe he had any more chances left for a gold. I'm happy he played for all these years, it's longer than many of you may think. Hong Jin Ho definitely made his mark.
To be honest I hate every person who suggested he play SC2 instead. That would just be the loss of all dignity for Yellow. Boxer, an unbelievable legend, has already been brought down so low. It's not just about being able to live as a progamer, it's about being the best... You can't be the best if you purposely try to go somewhere with softer competition. That would just be too sad... I don't want to see any more legends desecrate their careers this way.
Do you even know what Boxer is doing in SC2?
Losing?
Omg what a Troll, he not only created the best Pro-gamer Team on Sc2 so far? (Results prove it), but he is creating a Dinasty on SC2.
On June 16 2011 02:58 Chef wrote: It was a long career and he didn't believe he had any more chances left for a gold. I'm happy he played for all these years, it's longer than many of you may think. Hong Jin Ho definitely made his mark.
To be honest I hate every person who suggested he play SC2 instead. That would just be the loss of all dignity for Yellow. Boxer, an unbelievable legend, has already been brought down so low. It's not just about being able to live as a progamer, it's about being the best... You can't be the best if you purposely try to go somewhere with softer competition. That would just be too sad... I don't want to see any more legends desecrate their careers this way.
Do you even know what Boxer is doing in SC2?
Losing?
Or creating the greatest sc2 team ever...
edit: But let's not derail this thread. It's indeed sad to see Yellow retire. I for one was hoping to see him play for at least once(like reach did).
Sad to see Yellow retire, I doubt that will be the last we see of him though. I'm sure the love of Starcraft will bring him back in one way or another.
I think the retirement of some of the old legends is long overdue tbh. I mean we like sort of having them around but at the same time what are they accomplishing/doing with their lives?
Sad to see him go. Not many progamers have been able to maintain a high level of skill for as long as he has. Hope he sticks around, KT could use him as a Zerg coach since Zergbong is gone.
In a sad, strange way I think it would be bad (not, evil kind of bad, but popularity kind of bad) for BW if Yellow decides to play SC2 professionally. Yellow was easily the most popular of the remaining legends, and still had the skills to play here and there and bag wins vs the younger generation. If he went to SC2 to join Boxer, then things would have come full circle and people might take it as an omen that SC2 is now the successor of BW. And that would be the true catalyst for the takeover (especially if HotS improves the multiplayer experience tremendously) by SC2 of BW.
Just speculating (cause the news kinda depressed me - I was hoping KT would field him and Reach next PL season).
But if Yellow joins SlayerS that would be awesome.
On June 16 2011 03:16 Caladbolg wrote: In a sad, strange way I think it would be bad (not, evil kind of bad, but popularity kind of bad) for BW if Yellow decides to play SC2 professionally. Yellow was easily the most popular of the remaining legends, and still had the skills to play here and there and bag wins vs the younger generation. If he went to SC2 to join Boxer, then things would have come full circle and people might take it as an omen that SC2 is now the successor of BW. And that would be the true catalyst for the takeover (especially if HotS improves the multiplayer experience tremendously) by SC2 of BW.
Just speculating (cause the news kinda depressed me - I was hoping KT would field him and Reach next PL season).
But if Yellow joins SlayerS that would be awesome.
He's said explicitly that he's not going to play SC2, although there's a possibility for some career in the e-sports industry.
Edit: I don't quite understand the sentiment when people say it's 'sad' that he's leaving. I'd say the feeling is more like bittersweet, akin to your college graduation. You will miss all the great times, but you now have another path in life you need to walk, one which is also going to be filled with it's own challenges and rewards. It would be FAR more sad if he stayed on KT as a bench warmer for another 5 years.
I feel like an alien in this thread but I'm happy about this.
Nothing hurts more than seeing alltime greats taking place on the bench or playing and looking like they don't belong on the field. His legacy is too big for that.
On June 16 2011 03:16 Caladbolg wrote: In a sad, strange way I think it would be bad (not, evil kind of bad, but popularity kind of bad) for BW if Yellow decides to play SC2 professionally. Yellow was easily the most popular of the remaining legends, and still had the skills to play here and there and bag wins vs the younger generation. If he went to SC2 to join Boxer, then things would have come full circle and people might take it as an omen that SC2 is now the successor of BW. And that would be the true catalyst for the takeover (especially if HotS improves the multiplayer experience tremendously) by SC2 of BW.
Just speculating (cause the news kinda depressed me - I was hoping KT would field him and Reach next PL season).
But if Yellow joins SlayerS that would be awesome.
(or its just a graveyard for bad players)
Anyways Yellow could get an ESPORTS job so ez, I wonder If he will pursue that.
T_T What sad news. Best of luck to Yellow. People like him retiring, make you realize how long you follow progaming. Be the second best, at what ever you decide to do next T_t
Yellow will forever be my favorite gamer. His aggressive play redefined zerg and I'm completely convinced that he's one of the smartest people to ever play the game. He almost always won because he outplayed his opponent somehow and made them look like total fools.
[NC]...YellOw my first favorite progamer and forever my idol. It breaks my heart to know we won't see anything new from Jinho Hyung, but in the grand scheme of things he's doing the right thing and that takes a lot of courage. Storm Zerg Hwaiting!
Is he still on Hyungjoon? Last I checked he had a pretty big role there.
Wasn't around during his prime, but the fact that his name is well known to me is a testament to his legacy in the BW scene. But since he is apparently looking into an e-sports related career?
Hope he tries SC3 when Boxer transitions to it. ^^
Would sc2 people please mind if i ask them not to pollute BW forum whenever we're talking about a BW player? Especially when it's Yellow?
Back to the topic: I'm kinda new to the scene, when I started watching, Yellow was in ACE, but he still did quite a good job at ACE, I don't wonder his peak, for my sanity. Good bye, silver king Hong Jin Ho, we'll miss you.
On June 16 2011 02:58 Chef wrote: It was a long career and he didn't believe he had any more chances left for a gold. I'm happy he played for all these years, it's longer than many of you may think. Hong Jin Ho definitely made his mark.
To be honest I hate every person who suggested he play SC2 instead. That would just be the loss of all dignity for Yellow. Boxer, an unbelievable legend, has already been brought down so low. It's not just about being able to live as a progamer, it's about being the best... You can't be the best if you purposely try to go somewhere with softer competition. That would just be too sad... I don't want to see any more legends desecrate their careers this way.
Do you even know what Boxer is doing in SC2?
Losing?
Or creating the greatest sc2 team ever...
edit: But let's not derail this thread. It's indeed sad to see Yellow retire. I for one was hoping to see him play for at least once(like reach did).
SlayerS is the greatest team? The team that has "one man team" phenomenon this badly? Rofl. He created the worst possible team with that amount of sponsorship money.
On June 16 2011 02:58 Chef wrote: It was a long career and he didn't believe he had any more chances left for a gold. I'm happy he played for all these years, it's longer than many of you may think. Hong Jin Ho definitely made his mark.
To be honest I hate every person who suggested he play SC2 instead. That would just be the loss of all dignity for Yellow. Boxer, an unbelievable legend, has already been brought down so low. It's not just about being able to live as a progamer, it's about being the best... You can't be the best if you purposely try to go somewhere with softer competition. That would just be too sad... I don't want to see any more legends desecrate their careers this way.
Do you even know what Boxer is doing in SC2?
Losing?
Or creating the greatest sc2 team ever...
edit: But let's not derail this thread. It's indeed sad to see Yellow retire. I for one was hoping to see him play for at least once(like reach did).
BoxeR didn't create neither oGs nor MvP.
And neither of those teams won 2 back to back team leagues.... just saying.
On June 16 2011 03:16 Caladbolg wrote: In a sad, strange way I think it would be bad (not, evil kind of bad, but popularity kind of bad) for BW if Yellow decides to play SC2 professionally. Yellow was easily the most popular of the remaining legends, and still had the skills to play here and there and bag wins vs the younger generation. If he went to SC2 to join Boxer, then things would have come full circle and people might take it as an omen that SC2 is now the successor of BW. And that would be the true catalyst for the takeover (especially if HotS improves the multiplayer experience tremendously) by SC2 of BW.
Just speculating (cause the news kinda depressed me - I was hoping KT would field him and Reach next PL season).
But if Yellow joins SlayerS that would be awesome.
He's said explicitly that he's not going to play SC2, although there's a possibility for some career in the e-sports industry.
Edit: I don't quite understand the sentiment when people say it's 'sad' that he's leaving. I'd say the feeling is more like bittersweet, akin to your college graduation. You will miss all the great times, but you now have another path in life you need to walk, one which is also going to be filled with it's own challenges and rewards. It would be FAR more sad if he stayed on KT as a bench warmer for another 5 years.
At this point, sure. But sometime in the future? People change their minds. Boxer might try to convince him. Nestea might try to recruit him. Who knows? Guemchi changed his mind and went back to BW. Effort came out of retirement after some time alone. Yellow can say all he likes but the gaming blood is really strong in him
I can't believe people are still suggesting that yellow would've been better to play SC2... when Boxer moved to SC2, he said it was "regrettable, but understandable". Do you really think he would now go out and do the same thing? He dedicated his whole youth to BW, why would he do something to hurt it?(because yellow moving to SC2 would definitely move some viewership from BW to SC2)
On June 16 2011 03:21 Liquid`Nazgul wrote: I feel like an alien in this thread but I'm happy about this.
Nothing hurts more than seeing alltime greats taking place on the bench or playing and looking like they don't belong on the field. His legacy is too big for that.
Very good point. You should always leave them wanting more.
On June 16 2011 03:53 lazydino wrote: Wait,, so what happens to pro gamers after they retire?
Depends how they retire. Some go gently into that good night and become the quiet but hardworking coach, or they get caught up in a match fixing scandal and retire to go fight dragons on various treacherous mountain tops.....
On June 16 2011 02:58 Chef wrote: It was a long career and he didn't believe he had any more chances left for a gold. I'm happy he played for all these years, it's longer than many of you may think. Hong Jin Ho definitely made his mark.
To be honest I hate every person who suggested he play SC2 instead. That would just be the loss of all dignity for Yellow. Boxer, an unbelievable legend, has already been brought down so low. It's not just about being able to live as a progamer, it's about being the best... You can't be the best if you purposely try to go somewhere with softer competition. That would just be too sad... I don't want to see any more legends desecrate their careers this way.
Do you even know what Boxer is doing in SC2?
Losing?
Or creating the greatest sc2 team ever...
edit: But let's not derail this thread. It's indeed sad to see Yellow retire. I for one was hoping to see him play for at least once(like reach did).
BoxeR didn't create neither oGs nor MvP.
And neither of those teams won 2 back to back team leagues.... just saying.
Slayers has more sponsorship than oGs and MvP combined. They are doing too little considering how much Slayers is paid. That amount under one of either oGs' or MvP's hands and we'd actually have a great team.
Anyway, I'm suggesting not to derail this thread even further with a discussion about sc2 teams.
On June 16 2011 02:58 Chef wrote: It was a long career and he didn't believe he had any more chances left for a gold. I'm happy he played for all these years, it's longer than many of you may think. Hong Jin Ho definitely made his mark.
To be honest I hate every person who suggested he play SC2 instead. That would just be the loss of all dignity for Yellow. Boxer, an unbelievable legend, has already been brought down so low. It's not just about being able to live as a progamer, it's about being the best... You can't be the best if you purposely try to go somewhere with softer competition. That would just be too sad... I don't want to see any more legends desecrate their careers this way.
Do you even know what Boxer is doing in SC2?
Losing?
Or creating the greatest sc2 team ever...
edit: But let's not derail this thread. It's indeed sad to see Yellow retire. I for one was hoping to see him play for at least once(like reach did).
BoxeR didn't create neither oGs nor MvP.
And neither of those teams won 2 back to back team leagues.... just saying.
How the hell could MvP ever be considered the best team?
And oGs have been demolished in just about every team league.
Aww! This is so sad! Yellow was never my favorite player, but I still liked him! It's just always sad to see a pro gamer leave, they're just too few I hope he changes his mind!
On June 16 2011 02:58 Chef wrote: It was a long career and he didn't believe he had any more chances left for a gold. I'm happy he played for all these years, it's longer than many of you may think. Hong Jin Ho definitely made his mark.
To be honest I hate every person who suggested he play SC2 instead. That would just be the loss of all dignity for Yellow. Boxer, an unbelievable legend, has already been brought down so low. It's not just about being able to live as a progamer, it's about being the best... You can't be the best if you purposely try to go somewhere with softer competition. That would just be too sad... I don't want to see any more legends desecrate their careers this way.
Do you even know what Boxer is doing in SC2?
Losing?
Or creating the greatest sc2 team ever...
edit: But let's not derail this thread. It's indeed sad to see Yellow retire. I for one was hoping to see him play for at least once(like reach did).
BoxeR didn't create neither oGs nor MvP.
And neither of those teams won 2 back to back team leagues.... just saying.
How the hell could MvP ever be considered the best team?
And oGs have been demolished in just about every team league.
Am I missing something here or do some of you need to learn some SC2 history?
The most dominant team right now is SlayerS, which Boxer has created. Ever since Boxer has been improving greatly now that he can concentrate on his own play again. He still shows great creativity and owned Idra, argued to be one of the best Zergs by many (though I only consider Idra to be an average Zerg).
Sounds like Yellow still has a grudge against Boxer leaving? I remember he criticized boxer for going to sc2... and his statement seems to have underlying indication of a similar comparison. Although I could be wrong and it doesn't even matter.
I'm so sorry to the fans who still have big expectations of me But I'm endless ashamed of myself for subtly clinging here because of that.
Because I still prefer a life of seeking challenges instead of shelter I want to start trying new challenges, under the name of a new beginning.
On June 16 2011 02:58 Chef wrote: It was a long career and he didn't believe he had any more chances left for a gold. I'm happy he played for all these years, it's longer than many of you may think. Hong Jin Ho definitely made his mark.
To be honest I hate every person who suggested he play SC2 instead. That would just be the loss of all dignity for Yellow. Boxer, an unbelievable legend, has already been brought down so low. It's not just about being able to live as a progamer, it's about being the best... You can't be the best if you purposely try to go somewhere with softer competition. That would just be too sad... I don't want to see any more legends desecrate their careers this way.
Do you even know what Boxer is doing in SC2?
Losing?
Or creating the greatest sc2 team ever...
edit: But let's not derail this thread. It's indeed sad to see Yellow retire. I for one was hoping to see him play for at least once(like reach did).
BoxeR didn't create neither oGs nor MvP.
And neither of those teams won 2 back to back team leagues.... just saying.
How the hell could MvP ever be considered the best team?
And oGs have been demolished in just about every team league.
Am I missing something here or do some of you need to learn some SC2 history?
The most dominant team right now is SlayerS, which Boxer has created. Ever since Boxer has been improving greatly now that he can concentrate on his own play again. He still shows great creativity and owned Idra, argued to be one of the best Zergs by many (though I only consider Idra to be an average Zerg).
Noooooooooooooooo Was so happy when he came back but I guess it had to happen. What a career. Wouldn't mind him in sc2 tbh. But he knows what is best for him. Gl where ever he goes.
On June 16 2011 04:26 Selith wrote: It's kind of funny seeing Korean netizen reactions. A lot of them are making jokes revolving around 2, or kong... like:
"YellOw should play SC"2", then announce retirement in 201"2", making his retirement count to "2"!"
"YellOw will return with HotS expansion, as it is "2"nd SC"2" package, and it features Zerg."
"YellOw, come to SC2 and teach MarineKongPrime the true meaning of being a king of silver!"
Some of them are wishing to see Limjinrok (YellOw vs Boxer) again in SC2 too, as some have mentioned in this thread.
Yellow.... Hong Jin Ho, I remember the days when I'd watch the games with my dad. I'll miss those glory days. KKong, I'll miss you, Yellow, Storm Zerg. Hong Jin Ho D= I wanted one more LimJinRok Reach better still be active for awhile longer.
On June 16 2011 03:21 Liquid`Nazgul wrote: I feel like an alien in this thread but I'm happy about this.
Nothing hurts more than seeing alltime greats taking place on the bench or playing and looking like they don't belong on the field. His legacy is too big for that.
Very good point. You should always leave them wanting more.
I agree with Nazgul. He retired on a high note. Ending his career in ACE with epic games, and rejoined KT just in time to experience winning the PL Grand Final.
Yellow had achieved everything there is to achieve, with the exception of a gold.
Retiring is the right decision, especially as he is still in the 20s.
Prior to the match fixing scandal, the primary thought that consumed me when Savior was sent out only to lose to no namers was "he should have retired instead of tainting his own legacy".
This is truly a sad day in the history of Starcraft. The legacy of the Storm Zerg has always been the progaming story that interested me the most. He was legend, an handsome man with such a professional and enjoyable attitude. I wish him luck in his future endeavors, and I will always remember [NC]..YellOw. Goodbye Hong Jin Ho.
One of the greatest ever, certainly far and away the greatest player to never win a title. He's in the second level of greatest players of all time (below the bonjwas + leesang and bisu) and in the first level of most important/influential players to pro BW. I hope someone who's watched him since the beginning does a writeup that does him justice. He's one of the reasons SC2 is possible today, and why Boxer is who he is.
Was there no way for Yellow to become a coach? He seemed to be a really skilled player, and I'm sure that holding a coaching position would not require too much playing responsibility.
Anyways, best of luck to wherever the goes, whether it's poker, SC2, or maybe even a normal career. He has done all that he can as a player. I only wish he played more shortly before retirement.
I know progamers make decent $, have huge fanbases, and are the rockstar's of Korea, but playing working full time at a video game after age 30 would seem a bit mundane for someone who has done this nonstop for 12+ years. That just seems a little old (never mind the motor skill deterioration) to be dedicating the time needed to be a "video game professional" don't you think?
maybe I just never understood the concept of dedicating so much time to a monitor, mouse, and keyboard. I think the progamers of BWar while have been blessed with incredible skill and talent, have missed out on a lot of little things due to the sacrifices being a progamer entails. I'm sure it is as much as a relief to Yellow as it is sad to move on. He'll be a legend for the rest of his life tho that's for sure. That is the spoils of his sacrifices. Something that can never be taken away.
Wow, this is sad :/ And by the way, I heard somewhere that Yellow was more loved than Boxer in Korea? Is there anyone who could translate some Korean netizen comments? Would be appreciated.
When I was a kid, I lived in Korea for 5 months. I played Starcraft on my dad's computer all the time. So it was the coolest thing to me when I saw that there were 3 channels on tv completely dedicated to starcraft and it was the only thing i could be interested in because of the language barrier. Honestly I didn't know who Yellow was, but when I found out that you could watch korean starcraft on the internet I recognized Yellow's face instantly because he won so many games and the commentators would always make a lot of noise in his games.
He never became my favorite pro gamer or anything like that but it's kind of sad seeing an icon who was part of my early starcraft exposure retire.
On June 16 2011 03:48 IamBach wrote: I can't believe people are still suggesting that yellow would've been better to play SC2... when Boxer moved to SC2, he said it was "regrettable, but understandable". Do you really think he would now go out and do the same thing? He dedicated his whole youth to BW, why would he do something to hurt it?(because yellow moving to SC2 would definitely move some viewership from BW to SC2)
just wondering, so you'd rather him to quit progaming (in BW) than to continue progaming in another game (SC2)?.....what? -.-
On June 16 2011 03:48 IamBach wrote: I can't believe people are still suggesting that yellow would've been better to play SC2... when Boxer moved to SC2, he said it was "regrettable, but understandable". Do you really think he would now go out and do the same thing? He dedicated his whole youth to BW, why would he do something to hurt it?(because yellow moving to SC2 would definitely move some viewership from BW to SC2)
just wondering, so you'd rather him to quit progaming (in BW) than to continue progaming in another game (SC2)?.....what? -.-
I would LOVE for both him and Boxer / Nal_ra / Nada, whoever else they can find, to be a commentator or coach for one of the teams. Or start a team of their own. Just because you're older doesn't mean we don't care about you. You still have 10 years of solid BW knowledge. That needs to be preserved and passed on to the younger players.
On June 16 2011 06:36 Dirkules wrote: Who the fuck is "Yellow"? Never heared of him, he must a a newbie.
User was banned for this post.
Yellow was a pro gamer for bw for a very long time. He was basically boxer's rival in bw and always lost to him in the finals, thus he was known as the king of silver (for being 2nd place many times). His nickname was the storm zerg.
Yellow will be missed greatly. Cool that his last broadcast game is a win, but wish he could have had one final win in a KT/KTF uniform. I think Reach is now the longest tenured successful pro in SC1.
A toast to YellOw, thank you for helping make BW the success it is and helping put eSports on the map and here's to hoping that there will be one last battle of the Ages between BoxeR and Yell0w
On June 16 2011 07:33 troncook wrote: did he get in trouble for fixing matches... i thought i read that somewhere? someone please correct me if i am wrong.
No. That was Savior (and Luxury and Yarnc and Hwasin and... sigh.)
On June 16 2011 03:48 IamBach wrote: I can't believe people are still suggesting that yellow would've been better to play SC2... when Boxer moved to SC2, he said it was "regrettable, but understandable". Do you really think he would now go out and do the same thing? He dedicated his whole youth to BW, why would he do something to hurt it?(because yellow moving to SC2 would definitely move some viewership from BW to SC2)
just wondering, so you'd rather him to quit progaming (in BW) than to continue progaming in another game (SC2)?.....what? -.-
Just wondering, would you have liked Napoleon to die in Waterloo or die like he did, of gastric cancer? Obviously Yellow isn't dieing but its the same kind of thing.
On June] 16 2011 07:33 troncook wrote: did he get in trouble for fixing matches... i thought i read that somewhere? someone please correct me if i am wrong.
Be happy for the guy. He's on a new journey now. I envy him taking a new path in life. He's blessed ot have this opportunity to start anew, while some of us are stuck in the same freaking routine for the rest of our lives.
On June] 16 2011 07:33 troncook wrote: did he get in trouble for fixing matches... i thought i read that somewhere? someone please correct me if i am wrong.
On June 16 2011 03:48 IamBach wrote: I can't believe people are still suggesting that yellow would've been better to play SC2... when Boxer moved to SC2, he said it was "regrettable, but understandable". Do you really think he would now go out and do the same thing? He dedicated his whole youth to BW, why would he do something to hurt it?(because yellow moving to SC2 would definitely move some viewership from BW to SC2)
just wondering, so you'd rather him to quit progaming (in BW) than to continue progaming in another game (SC2)?.....what? -.-
have you seen boxer playing sc2? it's just depressing (super boring, cant see any elements of boxer-esque play at all). sc2 is just the new poker in that older players that cant cut it anymore move to that to make easy money. although I guess boxer hasnt even really made money playing sc2 outside of sponsors either. even my old favorite player july has gotten success, but all his games are horribly boring.
if boxer/yellow arent playing bw, then I dont want to watch them play. I want to watch micheal jordan play basketball, not SLAMBALL.
Idiocy aside, this is really a sad day for BW. Boxer is gone (in SC2 but rarely plays. Management for SlayerS), and now Yellow is completely gone too. End of an era...
Don't really have the right words for this kind of news. I followed Yellow as long as I followed Boxer. Back in the game-q and gamei days. The first OSL I watched live was the Coca Cola OSL. I watched Yellow become a legend and develop into a master of starcraft. I watched his 2v2 dominance on KT and all the ridiculously epic hairstyles through the years that can never be copied. I saw him develop into the mob boss of KTF. I saw him join Airforce Ace with all the other old vets. I watched him play in space suits, and get infamously bunker rushed. I watched him when everyone else was watching July win the first zerg gold ever and I loved him for being a bit disappointed when Boxer switched to sc2 leaving him behind in a way.
[NC]..YellOw, Kong, King of Special Events, 홍진호 you will be missed. I only hope you will remain involved in broodwar somehow, but you have done quite enough and we should all understand your choice to leave.
On June 16 2011 03:48 IamBach wrote: I can't believe people are still suggesting that yellow would've been better to play SC2... when Boxer moved to SC2, he said it was "regrettable, but understandable". Do you really think he would now go out and do the same thing? He dedicated his whole youth to BW, why would he do something to hurt it?(because yellow moving to SC2 would definitely move some viewership from BW to SC2)
just wondering, so you'd rather him to quit progaming (in BW) than to continue progaming in another game (SC2)?.....what? -.-
have you seen boxer playing sc2? it's just depressing (super boring, cant see any elements of boxer-esque play at all). sc2 is just the new poker in that older players that cant cut it anymore move to that to make easy money. although I guess boxer hasnt even really made money playing sc2 outside of sponsors either. even my old favorite player july has gotten success, but all his games are horribly boring.
if boxer/yellow arent playing bw, then I dont want to watch them play. I want to watch micheal jordan play basketball, not SLAMBALL.
in the event yellow ever hears of this page. Thank you for many years of great progaming, and forging the way for the esports future along with many other greats.
I guess in my mind he had been retired for a while. With his retirement pretty much all my favorite players have stopped playing. Hard to watch the new players and feel excited the way I used to = [
On June 16 2011 03:48 IamBach wrote: I can't believe people are still suggesting that yellow would've been better to play SC2... when Boxer moved to SC2, he said it was "regrettable, but understandable". Do you really think he would now go out and do the same thing? He dedicated his whole youth to BW, why would he do something to hurt it?(because yellow moving to SC2 would definitely move some viewership from BW to SC2)
just wondering, so you'd rather him to quit progaming (in BW) than to continue progaming in another game (SC2)?.....what? -.-
have you seen boxer playing sc2? it's just depressing (super boring, cant see any elements of boxer-esque play at all). sc2 is just the new poker in that older players that cant cut it anymore move to that to make easy money. although I guess boxer hasnt even really made money playing sc2 outside of sponsors either. even my old favorite player july has gotten success, but all his games are horribly boring.
Just from the top of my head - viking flowers, mass CC with mule drops on sieged tanks, marine behind a supply wall-off to control a tower, stacked marine drops on tal'darim... Boxer still has his flare in SC2.
On June 16 2011 03:48 IamBach wrote: I can't believe people are still suggesting that yellow would've been better to play SC2... when Boxer moved to SC2, he said it was "regrettable, but understandable". Do you really think he would now go out and do the same thing? He dedicated his whole youth to BW, why would he do something to hurt it?(because yellow moving to SC2 would definitely move some viewership from BW to SC2)
just wondering, so you'd rather him to quit progaming (in BW) than to continue progaming in another game (SC2)?.....what? -.-
have you seen boxer playing sc2? it's just depressing (super boring, cant see any elements of boxer-esque play at all). sc2 is just the new poker in that older players that cant cut it anymore move to that to make easy money. although I guess boxer hasnt even really made money playing sc2 outside of sponsors either. even my old favorite player july has gotten success, but all his games are horribly boring.
Just from the top of my head - viking flowers, mass CC with mule drops on sieged tanks, marine behind a supply wall-off to control a tower, stacked marine drops on tal'darim... Boxer still has his flare in SC2.
He just can't win anything. His cleverness has been the key to his middling "success", but he's basically just the SlayerS founder now. Not that I'm complaining, because Slayers has been great for SC2, but I think the window for BW players to walk into SC2 and start owning is closing. Except for Boxer himself, Slayers, MVP, FXO, and F United (Incidentally, F United, what was wrong with the name WeMADE FOX? That was a great name!) are kind of low on the BW players, and that's a third of the teams. If Yellow wanted to play SC2, he'd have done in a few months ago. According to the Elephant in the Room article, there's a big contract renegotiation in August. Anyone who hasn't made the switch by then isn't gonna.
And anyway, pretty much everything in Yellow's statement implies that he's out of pro-gaming, which excludes SC2 (And probably Poker, actually) from his list of professions. The only realistic options for Yellow are
1. Brood War coach/commentator or the like 2. Something not e-sportsy at all, like Florist.
If you must talk about Yellow's possible future in SC2, do it in the SC2 forum, because it's not happening, and even if it were, it wouldn't be BW news.
I can't wait to see Korean BW fans rage when Yellow announces his switchover to SC2. :D
And no, he ain't a commentator/caster material.
He's either gonna retire from progaming altogether, or switch over to SC2 by persuasions from BoxeR, NaDa, and other old-school progamers from his generation.
On June 16 2011 06:03 ThugTerran wrote: his name is Yellow even though he never won a Gold medal..... fuckin sad news TT
He did win tournaments, just never an MSL or OSL. But back then, MSL / OSL wasn't everything. Besides, some of the tournaments he won had S-class players in them - people who won OSL / MSL. Players like BoxeR, JinNam, TheMarine, and more. Yellow was obviously at the highest level.
On June 16 2011 09:24 JiPrime wrote: I can't wait to see Korean BW fans rage when Yellow announces his switchover to SC2. :D
And no, he ain't a commentator/caster material.
He's either gonna retire from progaming altogether, or switch over to SC2 by persuasions from BoxeR, NaDa, and other old-school progamers from his generation.
I for one, am excited from this news.
You're ridiculous. I wish people would stop saying this. He's not switching, cos he's not desperately gasping for money/fame/acceptance.
Sorry, but all these stupid comments drive me to it. Keep them to yourself.
This decision makes complete sense for Yellow- better to quit now, and be remembered as the awesome part of the scene which he was, than to fade into obscurity and eventually fall off the edge of the map. Good decision, GGs Yellow.
On June 16 2011 09:24 JiPrime wrote: I can't wait to see Korean BW fans rage when Yellow announces his switchover to SC2. :D
And no, he ain't a commentator/caster material.
He's either gonna retire from progaming altogether, or switch over to SC2 by persuasions from BoxeR, NaDa, and other old-school progamers from his generation.
I for one, am excited from this news.
You're ridiculous. I wish people would stop saying this. He's not switching, cos he's not desperately gasping for money/fame/acceptance.
Sorry, but all these stupid comments drive me to it. Keep them to yourself.
This decision makes complete sense for Yellow- better to quit now, and be remembered as the awesome part of the scene which he was, than to fade into obscurity and eventually fall off the edge of the map. Good decision, GGs Yellow.
I'm quite surprised that quite alot of people here actually take DES seriously.
They are a complete joke among the Koreans.
Edit: Also, "이제는 또 다른 시작이라는 이름으로 새로운 도전을 해볼까 합니다."
This obviously means that he's gonna start anew, one way or another.
Yellow is quitting because he's clinging onto the shelters of his team and fans. Or so he says. He's embarassed because of that and wants to quit.
But really, what he is letting go is his passion to compete in competitive gaming. He has plenty of opportunity in other games. It doesn't have to be brood war. But because brood war is a national pride in korea, I don't think he will switch to any game. It's been showned how he disliked boxer moving to SC2 in one of his interview. Still at a very young age to let go of the passion probably won't get you anywhere. He could be a coach like some people said, but it seems he's leaving the scene indefinitely? Look at boxer, he's still playing and doing fine. (NASL)
Hope all goes well, even though I wish he kept playing... whether its starcraft or even tekkan(lol). Dunno what his new goal is, he really didn't say. But stay out of the gutters, haha.
YELLOW NOOOOOO!!! You can't do this what about your comrades and bros, I'm of course talking about Reach and Nalra. They were all so close and bros ;___; This really comes to mind when I think about Yellow leaving Reach and Nalra.
I thought that the title was something like-Yellow announces he'll always play from now on in proleague, 'cause the word horror can't even describe the other KT zergs.
The only zerg player I ever liked. The Storm Zerg. The main reason why I have the KTF sign on my profile. It will never be the same without you. If there's gonna be some 'best wishes' book or something, I'd definitely want to contribute. GL HF Yellow...you'll be missed.
was just watching those vids of him from 10 years ago and even tho compared to sc games now it was what most ppl think of as lame, it brought back memories.. they were pretty epic coming from that point of view. I didn't watch any games this last year but I was happy when he beat Boxer, Jaedong, and Bisu after his long decline. The Storm Zerg will never be forgotten.
On June 16 2011 10:11 Darth Saros wrote: I thought that the title was something like-Yellow announces he'll always play from now on in proleague, 'cause the word horror can't even describe the other KT zergs.
The only zerg player I ever liked. The Storm Zerg. The main reason why I have the KTF sign on my profile. It will never be the same without you. If there's gonna be some 'best wishes' book or something, I'd definitely want to contribute. GL HF Yellow...you'll be missed.
Since yellOw quit, I'm not even bothering to consider having the KT team as my favourite team. He was everything the Zerg had... a patient person with a dream. In my honest opinion, the best Zerg player ever.
dam, he was my fav player when i first got into the scene in 2004. He is the reason i played zerg and follow ktf. i hope he does well in his life, he finds what he is looking for. Thank you for all the entertainment, Jinho, The Storm Zerg!!
Edit: This makes me all the more annoyed that kt didnt beat skt1 last season of wl =/
KTF never even played him... I'm so saddened I can't even spam up my LR's saying KKong or Mantoss shall come back somehow with the Dreamer to win for KTF Oh Reach, please show me you have it in you, pure manliness, to destroy some players like TBL or a high level player
As with Nazgul, I agree that retirement is the best thing to him. He was never going to play a game in PL nor was he ever going to make it in a OSL or MSL. For a legend like him to languish in a world where new players are constantly rising up and overtaking him can only be heart-wrenching.
No matter what he moves onto in life, I wish him the very best. He defined the first great rivalry in SC which will always be remembered
Man, he was such a hero for so long. I hope he finds success in his next endeavor. I wish he could come to SC2 and Meet MarineKing in the GSL finals (first ever finals tie?), but it doesn't sound like that's gonna happen now.
My brother and I don't even watch BW anymore, but we still always talk about the time Yellow beat Bisu on Heartbreak Ridge.
On June 16 2011 12:03 r!pp!n wrote: YellOw shall always be remembered :S
I'm gonna miss him,
I wonder what he will do in life now?
wait for his buddy Nal_ra to come out of his military service and host their own ESPORTS Show,hell maybe pull in some money and sponsors and start their own ESPORTS broadcasting company,bigger and better than OGN and MBC.
I wonder how he feels about spending so many of his early and impressionable years playing games and if he really can switch to other things. It'll be an interesting case to study in development and learning!
Part of me feels that like Boxer and Nada before him they all had their time to shine and they are all well past their prime, but the other part is screaming "NO YELLOW YOU ARE A LEGEND. YOU CAN'T LEAVE"
I can't imagine that he'd stay on as a coach or anything. I'd expect him to start a completely new endeavor, but not sc2 given his disapproval towards Boxer's switch
This is one of the most touching retirement statements I've ever read. I wasn't around when YellOw was on top in that era with BoxeR and the others, but I respect him for his accomplishments and for his classy attitude.
On June 16 2011 09:24 JiPrime wrote: I can't wait to see Korean BW fans rage when Yellow announces his switchover to SC2. :D
And no, he ain't a commentator/caster material.
He's either gonna retire from progaming altogether, or switch over to SC2 by persuasions from BoxeR, NaDa, and other old-school progamers from his generation.
I for one, am excited from this news.
You're ridiculous. I wish people would stop saying this. He's not switching, cos he's not desperately gasping for money/fame/acceptance.
Sorry, but all these stupid comments drive me to it. Keep them to yourself.
This decision makes complete sense for Yellow- better to quit now, and be remembered as the awesome part of the scene which he was, than to fade into obscurity and eventually fall off the edge of the map. Good decision, GGs Yellow.
I also have the impression in the back of my mind like he once stated in an interview that he was disappointed with BoxeR's decision to give up SC1 and move to SC2. That redoubles-up the point that he won't be joining SC2.
Well, it was obvious that he couldn't make it back on the top anymore, yet alone get even to play for his team. There's always memories, and it's better for him to move on and find new challenges
it was great to see you even in the bench of KT... i remember when i first started follow progaming, you were the best zerg arround, and in my mind you will always be...
Ahhh shit, one creative Zerg less I remember his fantastic game against Bisu, long after his peak. So exciting game that was... Good luck Yellow Silver!
And yet another legend gone :/. Oh well yellow i shall always watch the 2009 best highlights to reminisce about that epic hydra drop on HBR against bisu. Best of luck!
Mixed feelings here... I mean I wouldnt want him to stay in progaming unless that's what he desires, so I'm basically happy for him. However it's with heavy heart I wave goodbye to a legend that made huge impact on the scene...
On June 16 2011 20:31 Invictus wrote: And yet another legend gone :/. Oh well yellow i shall always watch the 2009 best highlights to reminisce about that epic hydra drop on HBR against bisu. Best of luck!
that game was amazing. i have never seen a crowd make that much noise, even in a finals.
even tho he wasnt appearing that much in games, it was always a nice feeling see him in bench with mantoss and flash, old school bw is parting away, lets hope the fresh blood keeps up with the standarts that yellow and others established
On June 16 2011 22:12 MoonBear wrote: Ah, and another one leaves. Who will lead the Kong line now?
Stork on BW, MKP on SC2.
But i don't see the same charisma of yellow on Stork.
Might that OSL gold that Stork has ^^. TBH JANGBI inherits the Kong line.
Stork and Fantasy are both still in the Kong line, can't leave it by winning a gold over one of the other kong liners (since one of them has to win). Then of course there's also JangBi.
Sad to see storm zerg go, I never was able to watch him in his prime. But learning about his legacy and his amazing games with Boxer back in the day. We'll miss you Hong Jin Ho.
I am so sad to hear this... Yellow, the Storm Zerg, Kong the silver miner, one of the greatest SC and Zerg icons of all time is now gone. Who can Boxer bash on now? At least you could have challenged him again in SC2 and revive the Lim-Jin Rok.
In honor of your legacy, I hope that you fulfill 22 of your dreams. Best of luck to him in whatever new challenges he'll be taking on in life!
I had a feeling that YellOw might not be having the best time of his life after being discharged from Ace and returning to KT.
As soon as YellOw entered the waiting room, KT players greeted him enthusiastically. It almost looked like they were greeting an older brother who just came back after being gone for a while. YellOw, however, didn't seem very happy with that welcome.
He said, "This is all fake (laugh). They didn't even greet me all that much before, and now that we're going to stay together for real, they are just trying to look good in my eyes (laugh). I think it's fortunate that I got to meet them here at KT event rather than the practice rooms."
Although he was smiling on the outside, YellOw actually had a lot of concerns as he will return to being a player for KT. He had a lot of discussion with the coaching staff in things like, 'How will I be an asset to the team? What should be my position?".
He said, "I can't be giving them any troubles (laugh). Right now, KT Zerg line is not in a good condition, but I think I can help with fixing the negative atmosphere here. As a senior in the team, I will do my best with helping and encouraging the players."
I think YellOw may have been disappointed in how KT never fielded him in Proleague, and the poor performance of the KT Zerg line may have also contributed to that disappointment.
On June 17 2011 08:56 eviltomahawk wrote: I had a feeling that YellOw might not be having the best time of his life after being discharged from Ace and returning to KT.
As soon as YellOw entered the waiting room, KT players greeted him enthusiastically. It almost looked like they were greeting an older brother who just came back after being gone for a while. YellOw, however, didn't seem very happy with that welcome.
He said, "This is all fake (laugh). They didn't even greet me all that much before, and now that we're going to stay together for real, they are just trying to look good in my eyes (laugh). I think it's fortunate that I got to meet them here at KT event rather than the practice rooms."
Although he was smiling on the outside, YellOw actually had a lot of concerns as he will return to being a player for KT. He had a lot of discussion with the coaching staff in things like, 'How will I be an asset to the team? What should be my position?".
He said, "I can't be giving them any troubles (laugh). Right now, KT Zerg line is not in a good condition, but I think I can help with fixing the negative atmosphere here. As a senior in the team, I will do my best with helping and encouraging the players."
I think YellOw may have been disappointed in how KT never fielded him in Proleague, and the poor performance of the KT Zerg line may have also contributed to that disappointment.
Yeah. He was getting wins playing for ACE and likely didn't want to return to KT as a "trophy" wife like Boxer did when returning to SKT. I'm mean it in the best way possible, no disrespect to the Emperor and Storm zerg.
He was, and always will be one of the greatest. So many incredible memories, I just hope that Yellow can be truly happy about leaving Starcraft, and be able to look back with no regrets. He inspired me, with his play and his undeniable presence, and his mark on progaming will always remain.
On June 17 2011 08:56 eviltomahawk wrote: I had a feeling that YellOw might not be having the best time of his life after being discharged from Ace and returning to KT.
As soon as YellOw entered the waiting room, KT players greeted him enthusiastically. It almost looked like they were greeting an older brother who just came back after being gone for a while. YellOw, however, didn't seem very happy with that welcome.
He said, "This is all fake (laugh). They didn't even greet me all that much before, and now that we're going to stay together for real, they are just trying to look good in my eyes (laugh). I think it's fortunate that I got to meet them here at KT event rather than the practice rooms."
Although he was smiling on the outside, YellOw actually had a lot of concerns as he will return to being a player for KT. He had a lot of discussion with the coaching staff in things like, 'How will I be an asset to the team? What should be my position?".
He said, "I can't be giving them any troubles (laugh). Right now, KT Zerg line is not in a good condition, but I think I can help with fixing the negative atmosphere here. As a senior in the team, I will do my best with helping and encouraging the players."
I think YellOw may have been disappointed in how KT never fielded him in Proleague, and the poor performance of the KT Zerg line may have also contributed to that disappointment.
Yeah. He was getting wins playing for ACE and likely didn't want to return to KT as a "trophy" wife like Boxer did when returning to SKT. I'm mean it in the best way possible, no disrespect to the Emperor and Storm zerg.
Agreed, yellow was a solid 50% player in ace, a team asset. depressing not to have seen kt wield him
On June 17 2011 08:56 eviltomahawk wrote: I had a feeling that YellOw might not be having the best time of his life after being discharged from Ace and returning to KT.
As soon as YellOw entered the waiting room, KT players greeted him enthusiastically. It almost looked like they were greeting an older brother who just came back after being gone for a while. YellOw, however, didn't seem very happy with that welcome.
He said, "This is all fake (laugh). They didn't even greet me all that much before, and now that we're going to stay together for real, they are just trying to look good in my eyes (laugh). I think it's fortunate that I got to meet them here at KT event rather than the practice rooms."
Although he was smiling on the outside, YellOw actually had a lot of concerns as he will return to being a player for KT. He had a lot of discussion with the coaching staff in things like, 'How will I be an asset to the team? What should be my position?".
He said, "I can't be giving them any troubles (laugh). Right now, KT Zerg line is not in a good condition, but I think I can help with fixing the negative atmosphere here. As a senior in the team, I will do my best with helping and encouraging the players."
I think YellOw may have been disappointed in how KT never fielded him in Proleague, and the poor performance of the KT Zerg line may have also contributed to that disappointment.
Yeah. He was getting wins playing for ACE and likely didn't want to return to KT as a "trophy" wife like Boxer did when returning to SKT. I'm mean it in the best way possible, no disrespect to the Emperor and Storm zerg.
Agreed, yellow was a solid 50% player in ace, a team asset. depressing not to have seen kt wield him
Sadly, this trend follows for nearly all veteran gamers who leave ACE and return to their original team. The team never wishes to risk sending out its veterans and they serve merely a symbolic purpose where they rot and lose their will to continue progaming. Yellow, Boxer, July, Nada, etc.
Anytime is one of the exceptions and that's because OZ actually requires his awesome skills lol
I'll miss him, back in the day he was the one who inspired me to play Zerg. Hopefully he stays in the progaming scene somehow (even though he'll probably go get a real job since he has a college degree and such).
NNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO : Somewhere out there, a very sad sheep is bleating. We'll miss you, Yellow.
On June 17 2011 08:56 eviltomahawk wrote: I had a feeling that YellOw might not be having the best time of his life after being discharged from Ace and returning to KT.
As soon as YellOw entered the waiting room, KT players greeted him enthusiastically. It almost looked like they were greeting an older brother who just came back after being gone for a while. YellOw, however, didn't seem very happy with that welcome.
He said, "This is all fake (laugh). They didn't even greet me all that much before, and now that we're going to stay together for real, they are just trying to look good in my eyes (laugh). I think it's fortunate that I got to meet them here at KT event rather than the practice rooms."
Although he was smiling on the outside, YellOw actually had a lot of concerns as he will return to being a player for KT. He had a lot of discussion with the coaching staff in things like, 'How will I be an asset to the team? What should be my position?".
He said, "I can't be giving them any troubles (laugh). Right now, KT Zerg line is not in a good condition, but I think I can help with fixing the negative atmosphere here. As a senior in the team, I will do my best with helping and encouraging the players."
I think YellOw may have been disappointed in how KT never fielded him in Proleague, and the poor performance of the KT Zerg line may have also contributed to that disappointment.
Yeah. He was getting wins playing for ACE and likely didn't want to return to KT as a "trophy" wife like Boxer did when returning to SKT. I'm mean it in the best way possible, no disrespect to the Emperor and Storm zerg.
Agreed, yellow was a solid 50% player in ace, a team asset. depressing not to have seen kt wield him
Sadly, this trend follows for nearly all veteran gamers who leave ACE and return to their original team. The team never wishes to risk sending out its veterans and they serve merely a symbolic purpose where they rot and lose their will to continue progaming. Yellow, Boxer, July, Nada, etc.
Anytime is one of the exceptions and that's because OZ actually requires his awesome skills lol
This isn't about wishing to risk it. Its about in-team performance rankings. In ACE, there is no real standard, they pretty much all play if they want to. In the teams, they get to play on the roster if they perform better than their peers. If YellOw didn't show results as good as HoeJJa, Action and Crazy-Hydra, he wasn't placed on the roster. Anytime is lucky that Oz doesn't have any solid protoss players for him to compete much with.
On June 16 2011 01:13 tedster wrote: Godspeed Hong Jin Ho, you are forever #2 in my heart.
Holy shit this is the end of an era, Boxer and Yellow are both gone. It's hard to even process that fact.
how is boxer gone also?
Because, Yellow could have switched to Starcraft 2 and still would have decent results at the very least, yet we would still consider him gone because he left brood war. It's the idea about Brood war, anything outside of it, they are gone.
I don't really understand the sadness that follows these kind of retirement announcements. Isn't there some form of happiness to be found in that a person is moving on? The life of a programer who is on his way out of the business doesn't seem very fulfilling. I think it would be liberating at the very least. When fans expectations are, quite honestly, unreasonable, it must be trying. It's a bit selfish to expect someone like yellow to remain as a player if you ask me. I don't know, just surprised at the fact that most reactions are so negative. I know everyone means well, I just would expect a more even balance of reactions.
Jeez guys what's the big deal, its not like its Nal_rA or anything... Wait... F*ck.. That already happened. Lol. On a serious not this is somewhat sad. I do agree with some that he should have tried sc2.
Jeez guys what's the big deal, its not like its Nal_rA or anything... Wait... F*ck.. That already happened. Lol. On a serious not this is somewhat sad. I do agree with some that he should have tried sc2.
KT has said that it is unlikely that yellow will stay as a coach and has also said that he has zero interest in SC2, so it's probable that he's just going to leave the scene completely, which is kind of unfortunate considering how much of an icon he is.
btw why do some of you guys hope that certain BW players/retired players will switch to SC2? It's pointless wishful thinking...most of the brood war players that want to switch already have. Unless your only a practice partner or play very badly, it's kind of hard to be a regular brood war progamer and think "oh I'm going into SC2 after I'm done with this" at the same time. It's really difficult to be a good progamer unless all your attention is into one game or the other.
On June 18 2011 07:52 white_horse wrote: KT has said that it is unlikely that yellow will stay as a coach and has also said that he has zero interest in SC2, so it's probable that he's just going to leave the scene completely, which is kind of unfortunate considering how much of an icon he is.
btw why do some of you guys hope that certain BW players/retired players will switch to SC2? It's pointless wishful thinking...most of the brood war players that want to switch already have. Unless your only a practice partner or play very badly, it's kind of hard to be a regular brood war progamer and think "oh I'm going into SC2 after I'm done with this" at the same time. It's really difficult to be a good progamer unless all your attention is into one game or the other.
Because we love watching great players play Starcraft 2? And we all still actually play SC2, whereas I'm sure far fewer members here still play BW. (And in general there is actually a foreign SC2 scene, and 0 foreign BW scene, so that drives a lot of interest and desire for GREAT competitions.)
And many, I'm sure, find it more fun to watch and play at this point.
On June 18 2011 07:52 white_horse wrote: KT has said that it is unlikely that yellow will stay as a coach and has also said that he has zero interest in SC2, so it's probable that he's just going to leave the scene completely, which is kind of unfortunate considering how much of an icon he is.
btw why do some of you guys hope that certain BW players/retired players will switch to SC2? It's pointless wishful thinking...most of the brood war players that want to switch already have. Unless your only a practice partner or play very badly, it's kind of hard to be a regular brood war progamer and think "oh I'm going into SC2 after I'm done with this" at the same time. It's really difficult to be a good progamer unless all your attention is into one game or the other.
Because we love watching great players play Starcraft 2? And we all still actually play SC2, whereas I'm sure far fewer members here still play BW. (And in general there is actually a foreign SC2 scene, and 0 foreign BW scene, so that drives a lot of interest and desire for GREAT competitions.)
And many, I'm sure, find it more fun to watch and play at this point.
I don't need a user that posts in SC2 section 99% of the time telling me who was/is a great player in BW.
And no, I don't find it more fun to watch SC2 at this point.
On June 18 2011 07:52 white_horse wrote: KT has said that it is unlikely that yellow will stay as a coach and has also said that he has zero interest in SC2, so it's probable that he's just going to leave the scene completely, which is kind of unfortunate considering how much of an icon he is.
btw why do some of you guys hope that certain BW players/retired players will switch to SC2? It's pointless wishful thinking...most of the brood war players that want to switch already have. Unless your only a practice partner or play very badly, it's kind of hard to be a regular brood war progamer and think "oh I'm going into SC2 after I'm done with this" at the same time. It's really difficult to be a good progamer unless all your attention is into one game or the other.
Because we love watching great players play Starcraft 2? And we all still actually play SC2, whereas I'm sure far fewer members here still play BW. (And in general there is actually a foreign SC2 scene, and 0 foreign BW scene, so that drives a lot of interest and desire for GREAT competitions.)
And many, I'm sure, find it more fun to watch and play at this point.
I'd rather have him just be known for BW only. But that's just me.
On June 18 2011 07:52 white_horse wrote: KT has said that it is unlikely that yellow will stay as a coach and has also said that he has zero interest in SC2, so it's probable that he's just going to leave the scene completely, which is kind of unfortunate considering how much of an icon he is.
btw why do some of you guys hope that certain BW players/retired players will switch to SC2? It's pointless wishful thinking...most of the brood war players that want to switch already have. Unless your only a practice partner or play very badly, it's kind of hard to be a regular brood war progamer and think "oh I'm going into SC2 after I'm done with this" at the same time. It's really difficult to be a good progamer unless all your attention is into one game or the other.
Because we love watching great players play Starcraft 2? And we all still actually play SC2, whereas I'm sure far fewer members here still play BW. (And in general there is actually a foreign SC2 scene, and 0 foreign BW scene, so that drives a lot of interest and desire for GREAT competitions.)
And many, I'm sure, find it more fun to watch and play at this point.
I'd rather him retire from progaming all together and remain a bw legend than to try sc2 and fall into mediocrity
On June 18 2011 07:52 white_horse wrote: KT has said that it is unlikely that yellow will stay as a coach and has also said that he has zero interest in SC2, so it's probable that he's just going to leave the scene completely, which is kind of unfortunate considering how much of an icon he is.
btw why do some of you guys hope that certain BW players/retired players will switch to SC2? It's pointless wishful thinking...most of the brood war players that want to switch already have. Unless your only a practice partner or play very badly, it's kind of hard to be a regular brood war progamer and think "oh I'm going into SC2 after I'm done with this" at the same time. It's really difficult to be a good progamer unless all your attention is into one game or the other.
Because we love watching great players play Starcraft 2? And we all still actually play SC2, whereas I'm sure far fewer members here still play BW. (And in general there is actually a foreign SC2 scene, and 0 foreign BW scene, so that drives a lot of interest and desire for GREAT competitions.)
And many, I'm sure, find it more fun to watch and play at this point.
hoping that brood war players will switch over to SC2 makes it look like SC2 players just want to artificially increase hype and attraction by borrowing stars from another game. you should be encouraging your community to produce big-name players from the bottom up. that would make SC2 more exciting to watch.
I'm sure it's absolutely impossible for old BW vets to enjoy SC2 and want to see their favorite heroes in 2 when they're done with BW too right? FFS I don't understand why some BW4lyfe fans always try to split the community like it's impossible to like both. All my old BW friends watch SC2 now and we talk about it a whole lot more than BW (when it isnt finals time) since the scene is pretty dead outside Korea. Of course we'd like to see heroes who retire from BW back in the spotlight. It doesn't "taint" anyone and that attitude really needs to stop. There's absolutely nothing wrong with wanting to see guys you grew up watching show up on a global scale where new people can enjoy their games too.
I can't expect a Flash or Jaedong in the US again since WCG is done with BW (for now at least) but I sure as hell can see Boxer, July and NaDa at a Dreamhack or MLG. How is that not reason enough to want favorites switching over after BW? But no, it has to be something snotty like trashing the scene you don't like and insulting them for even thinking about liking the same heroes.
Dammnit! fuck.. >.> this is not exactly the best thing i've seen in a while. I really wish he'd do what the other old-school pros did though and switch to Sc2, maybe join SlayerS and so SlayerS has a strong terran, protoss, AND zerg =P
On June 18 2011 13:28 xBillehx wrote: I'm sure it's absolutely impossible for old BW vets to enjoy SC2 and want to see their favorite heroes in 2 when they're done with BW too right? FFS I don't understand why some BW4lyfe fans always try to split the community like it's impossible to like both. All my old BW friends watch SC2 now and we talk about it a whole lot more than BW (when it isnt finals time) since the scene is pretty dead outside Korea. Of course we'd like to see heroes who retire from BW back in the spotlight. It doesn't "taint" anyone and that attitude really needs to stop. There's absolutely nothing wrong with wanting to see guys you grew up watching show up on a global scale where new people can enjoy their games too.
I can't expect a Flash or Jaedong in the US again since WCG is done with BW (for now at least) but I sure as hell can see Boxer, July and NaDa at a Dreamhack or MLG. How is that not reason enough to want favorites switching over after BW? But no, it has to be something snotty like trashing the scene you don't like and insulting them for even thinking about liking the same heroes.
(Sorry, been wanting to rant on this forever.)
for starters, if they do bad in sc2 then ill just be sad. secondly, it would make it seem (imo) that bw is the better game if players not good enough for bw keep switching to sc2, so to give sc2 more credibility, i think it would be best for bw legends to just retire. what makes you think anyone has anything against sc2, i have many friends that watch and play sc2, i personally dont enjoy it (i played 500+ games in the first month it came out) so i dont like, nor hate sc2, i just think nothing of it. when the expansion comes out ill play it again, if i like ill switch over. im not the type to follow something just cause everyone is, out of all my friends only im left following bw, because i actually like the game, not because i want it to succeed or because i want esports to succeed.
On June 18 2011 07:52 white_horse wrote: KT has said that it is unlikely that yellow will stay as a coach and has also said that he has zero interest in SC2, so it's probable that he's just going to leave the scene completely, which is kind of unfortunate considering how much of an icon he is.
btw why do some of you guys hope that certain BW players/retired players will switch to SC2? It's pointless wishful thinking...most of the brood war players that want to switch already have. Unless your only a practice partner or play very badly, it's kind of hard to be a regular brood war progamer and think "oh I'm going into SC2 after I'm done with this" at the same time. It's really difficult to be a good progamer unless all your attention is into one game or the other.
Because we love watching great players play Starcraft 2? And we all still actually play SC2, whereas I'm sure far fewer members here still play BW. (And in general there is actually a foreign SC2 scene, and 0 foreign BW scene, so that drives a lot of interest and desire for GREAT competitions.)
And many, I'm sure, find it more fun to watch and play at this point.
That is incorrect, sorry. There is just too much less to do in SC2. But that is not the point, I hope yellow does well in pursuing whatever he does from here on up. Yellow fighting!
While I don't mind the talk about whether or not Yellow should switch to SC2 let's not devolve this thread into arguments about which game is better than the other.
... my god, BW without Yellow or Boxer. This is just... wrong.
Nothing left to do but wish Hong Jin Ho a bright and successful future - and remember, being the 2nd richest man in Korea is not bad even if you aim for #1
On June 18 2011 11:45 lynx.oblige wrote: Dangerous precedent: will other BW players not play sc2?
Only the old veterans, aka going on 30s.
It's natural that gaming isn't the no 1 thing you want to do when you hit a certain age. Few will continue but most will find themselves pleased with their careers.
I think the young players might switch in a couple of years.
I don't want Yellow to switch to SC2, while boxer may have made another legacy with the SlayersS clan, I don't think Yellow would be able to do the same
On June 18 2011 23:49 Kipsate wrote: I don't want Yellow to switch to SC2, while boxer may have made another legacy with the SlayersS clan, I don't think Yellow would be able to do the same
Thus I do not wish himself to be tainted with it.
The legacy which he has should not be tainted.
Just curious, because you joined TL.net quite late. Were you actually around when Yellow was good/in the spotlight? Are people just feigning caring because they want some TL street cred or something?
On June 18 2011 23:49 Kipsate wrote: I don't want Yellow to switch to SC2, while boxer may have made another legacy with the SlayersS clan, I don't think Yellow would be able to do the same
Thus I do not wish himself to be tainted with it.
The legacy which he has should not be tainted.
Just curious, because you joined TL.net quite late. Were you actually around when Yellow was good/in the spotlight? Are people just feigning caring because they want some TL street cred or something?
I joined TL pretty late, and I've become a YellOw feign because of that Bisu game, because I read his story and I found it touching, and because I went back and watch quite a few old games, and loved his style. That or I'm just jumping on the bandwagon, of course.
On June 18 2011 23:49 Kipsate wrote: I don't want Yellow to switch to SC2, while boxer may have made another legacy with the SlayersS clan, I don't think Yellow would be able to do the same
Thus I do not wish himself to be tainted with it.
The legacy which he has should not be tainted.
Just curious, because you joined TL.net quite late. Were you actually around when Yellow was good/in the spotlight? Are people just feigning caring because they want some TL street cred or something?
I haven't been here very long, but I have watched yellow for quite some time, admittedly not everthing but I downloaded alot of his old games and nevake recently uploaded some old school games which makes me really admire him and as such his legacy.
Also, wtf is TL street cred lol.
I realize I may have come off as such, but what I meant is that its better for him to retire then be ''medicore'' in SC2, as that would be quite ''depressing'' so to speak.
you don't have to have been around long to appreciate yellow and what he did for brood war in the early years. it's one of the first things you come across if you do a little digging!
Though it is sad to see him go i find its for the best. Yellow has been doing very poorly lately and there is no future from him as a progamer. I also agree that Yellow doesnt have the same power in esports as boxer so trying to mimik him would be doomed imo. Hope all the best for my number 1 number 2 :D
Wish him the best I am Boxer's fan so Yellow is like the greatest rivalry of him. I watched all of his replays (back in the day when we have all the replay from pro) truly one of greatest player of their time.
On June 18 2011 23:49 Kipsate wrote: I don't want Yellow to switch to SC2, while boxer may have made another legacy with the SlayersS clan, I don't think Yellow would be able to do the same
Thus I do not wish himself to be tainted with it.
The legacy which he has should not be tainted.
Just curious, because you joined TL.net quite late. Were you actually around when Yellow was good/in the spotlight? Are people just feigning caring because they want some TL street cred or something?
Doesn't mean anything. I joined TL late too, but I've been watching since '03. Nal_rA is the reason I play Protoss
On June 18 2011 23:49 Kipsate wrote: I don't want Yellow to switch to SC2, while boxer may have made another legacy with the SlayersS clan, I don't think Yellow would be able to do the same
Thus I do not wish himself to be tainted with it.
The legacy which he has should not be tainted.
Just curious, because you joined TL.net quite late. Were you actually around when Yellow was good/in the spotlight? Are people just feigning caring because they want some TL street cred or something?
Doesn't mean anything. I joined TL late too, but I've been watching since '03. Nal_rA is the reason I play Protoss
I've wouldn't be surprised if Yellow and Boxer team up managing SlayerS. Kong has expressed interest of working on the same team with Boxer in interviews. As long as he doesn't start a dance club...
On June 18 2011 23:49 Kipsate wrote: I don't want Yellow to switch to SC2, while boxer may have made another legacy with the SlayersS clan, I don't think Yellow would be able to do the same
Thus I do not wish himself to be tainted with it.
The legacy which he has should not be tainted.
Just curious, because you joined TL.net quite late. Were you actually around when Yellow was good/in the spotlight? Are people just feigning caring because they want some TL street cred or something?
Doesn't mean anything. I joined TL late too, but I've been watching since '03. Nal_rA is the reason I play Protoss
I've wouldn't be surprised if Yellow and Boxer team up managing SlayerS. Kong has expressed interest of working on the same team with Boxer in interviews. As long as he doesn't start a dance club...
I'm pretty sure Yellow isn't just retiring from BW, but from progaming as a whole.
On June 18 2011 07:52 white_horse wrote: KT has said that it is unlikely that yellow will stay as a coach and has also said that he has zero interest in SC2, so it's probable that he's just going to leave the scene completely, which is kind of unfortunate considering how much of an icon he is.
btw why do some of you guys hope that certain BW players/retired players will switch to SC2? It's pointless wishful thinking...most of the brood war players that want to switch already have. Unless your only a practice partner or play very badly, it's kind of hard to be a regular brood war progamer and think "oh I'm going into SC2 after I'm done with this" at the same time. It's really difficult to be a good progamer unless all your attention is into one game or the other.
Because we love watching great players play Starcraft 2? And we all still actually play SC2, whereas I'm sure far fewer members here still play BW. (And in general there is actually a foreign SC2 scene, and 0 foreign BW scene, so that drives a lot of interest and desire for GREAT competitions.)
And many, I'm sure, find it more fun to watch and play at this point.
I didn't find anything wrong with your post until that last line.....
Please do not say something like that ever again. You could really piss off some diehard BW fans. I for one am also kind of pissed. I enjoy both SC2 and BW. And certainly would never say anything like "oh, but ppl like SC2 better."
On June 18 2011 23:49 Kipsate wrote: I don't want Yellow to switch to SC2, while boxer may have made another legacy with the SlayersS clan, I don't think Yellow would be able to do the same
Thus I do not wish himself to be tainted with it.
The legacy which he has should not be tainted.
Just curious, because you joined TL.net quite late. Were you actually around when Yellow was good/in the spotlight? Are people just feigning caring because they want some TL street cred or something?
Doesn't mean anything. I joined TL late too, but I've been watching since '03. Nal_rA is the reason I play Protoss
I've wouldn't be surprised if Yellow and Boxer team up managing SlayerS. Kong has expressed interest of working on the same team with Boxer in interviews. As long as he doesn't start a dance club...
On June 18 2011 07:52 white_horse wrote: KT has said that it is unlikely that yellow will stay as a coach and has also said that he has zero interest in SC2, so it's probable that he's just going to leave the scene completely, which is kind of unfortunate considering how much of an icon he is.
btw why do some of you guys hope that certain BW players/retired players will switch to SC2? It's pointless wishful thinking...most of the brood war players that want to switch already have. Unless your only a practice partner or play very badly, it's kind of hard to be a regular brood war progamer and think "oh I'm going into SC2 after I'm done with this" at the same time. It's really difficult to be a good progamer unless all your attention is into one game or the other.
Because we love watching great players play Starcraft 2? And we all still actually play SC2, whereas I'm sure far fewer members here still play BW. (And in general there is actually a foreign SC2 scene, and 0 foreign BW scene, so that drives a lot of interest and desire for GREAT competitions.)
And many, I'm sure, find it more fun to watch and play at this point.
lol. You obviously have never watched a BW game if you really mean that SC2 is more fun to watch. Either that, or you know nothing about BW and so end up being lost in every game you watch.
That's one of the dumbest things I've ever read, and I'm not even being a BW elitist. I play SC2 now more than I've ever played BW. Still, watching SC2 does not hold a candle to BW.
But look at Anytime He is a veteran progamer that also just move back to his original team after he finish his military service But he is playing in the A team of Oz And winning some games - probably cause oz doesnt have that many good players but still... Why yellow..... !!
On June 22 2011 08:10 therockmanxx wrote: But look at Anytime He is a veteran progamer that also just move back to his original team after he finish his military service But he is playing in the A team of Oz And winning some games - probably cause oz doesnt have that many good players but still... Why yellow..... !!
Anytime's pretty much one of the few exceptions. Reach, Yellow, Boxer, Nada... all the old legends were pretty much benchwarmers after coming back from Air Force.
On June 22 2011 08:10 therockmanxx wrote: But look at Anytime He is a veteran progamer that also just move back to his original team after he finish his military service But he is playing in the A team of Oz And winning some games - probably cause oz doesnt have that many good players but still... Why yellow..... !!
Anytime's pretty much one of the few exceptions. Reach, Yellow, Boxer, Nada... all the old legends were pretty much benchwarmers after coming back from Air Force.
the fact that anytime is still winning games is actually very impressive because the older players usually don't put emphasis on practicing when they return to their original teams. They really just end up serving as a player-coach or a mentor.
On June 25 2011 17:02 Cofo wrote: Sorry if this has already been posted (I only skimmed), but I just saw this on Reddit and thought it was pretty funny.
On June 25 2011 17:02 Cofo wrote: Sorry if this has already been posted (I only skimmed), but I just saw this on Reddit and thought it was pretty funny.
BoxerR's retirement gift to Yellow:
Given Yellow's comments about Boxer switching to SC2, this seems a little passive-aggressive from the Emperor.
On June 25 2011 17:02 Cofo wrote: Sorry if this has already been posted (I only skimmed), but I just saw this on Reddit and thought it was pretty funny.
BoxerR's retirement gift to Yellow:
Given Yellow's comments about Boxer switching to SC2, this seems a little passive-aggressive from the Emperor.
wat were his comments on boxer switching? i mustve missed it
On June 18 2011 07:52 white_horse wrote: KT has said that it is unlikely that yellow will stay as a coach and has also said that he has zero interest in SC2, so it's probable that he's just going to leave the scene completely, which is kind of unfortunate considering how much of an icon he is.
btw why do some of you guys hope that certain BW players/retired players will switch to SC2? It's pointless wishful thinking...most of the brood war players that want to switch already have. Unless your only a practice partner or play very badly, it's kind of hard to be a regular brood war progamer and think "oh I'm going into SC2 after I'm done with this" at the same time. It's really difficult to be a good progamer unless all your attention is into one game or the other.
Because we love watching great players play Starcraft 2? And we all still actually play SC2, whereas I'm sure far fewer members here still play BW. (And in general there is actually a foreign SC2 scene, and 0 foreign BW scene, so that drives a lot of interest and desire for GREAT competitions.)
And many, I'm sure, find it more fun to watch and play at this point.
lol. You obviously have never watched a BW game if you really mean that SC2 is more fun to watch. Either that, or you know nothing about BW and so end up being lost in every game you watch.
That's one of the dumbest things I've ever read, and I'm not even being a BW elitist. I play SC2 now more than I've ever played BW. Still, watching SC2 does not hold a candle to BW.
People flood SC2 LR threads with posts like "EPIC!" or "BEST GAME EVER" after games that would be pretty standard BW games. If only they knew what they were missing by limiting themselves to watching SC2 instead of both.
On June 18 2011 07:52 white_horse wrote: KT has said that it is unlikely that yellow will stay as a coach and has also said that he has zero interest in SC2, so it's probable that he's just going to leave the scene completely, which is kind of unfortunate considering how much of an icon he is.
btw why do some of you guys hope that certain BW players/retired players will switch to SC2? It's pointless wishful thinking...most of the brood war players that want to switch already have. Unless your only a practice partner or play very badly, it's kind of hard to be a regular brood war progamer and think "oh I'm going into SC2 after I'm done with this" at the same time. It's really difficult to be a good progamer unless all your attention is into one game or the other.
Because we love watching great players play Starcraft 2? And we all still actually play SC2, whereas I'm sure far fewer members here still play BW. (And in general there is actually a foreign SC2 scene, and 0 foreign BW scene, so that drives a lot of interest and desire for GREAT competitions.)
And many, I'm sure, find it more fun to watch and play at this point.
lol. You obviously have never watched a BW game if you really mean that SC2 is more fun to watch. Either that, or you know nothing about BW and so end up being lost in every game you watch.
That's one of the dumbest things I've ever read, and I'm not even being a BW elitist. I play SC2 now more than I've ever played BW. Still, watching SC2 does not hold a candle to BW.
People flood SC2 LR threads with posts like "EPIC!" or "BEST GAME EVER" after games that would be pretty standard BW games. If only they knew what they were missing by limiting themselves to watching SC2 instead of both.
On June 25 2011 21:06 Cedstick wrote: I watch both. I think SC2 has the potential to be as good as BW, easily, the play just isn't on that level yet. For now, BW > SC2, spectator-wise.
Now, back on-topic: I want to be a YellOw fan, so I hope he comes over to SC2
Maybe in game quality, but every thing else, the casting, stream quality, foreigner diversity etc. is better for SC2. I never really got into competitive BW despite playing for ages, because I didn't like watching the streams when the only language was korean. I only ever watched recasted or extremely hyped games on youtube.
I don't get how the brood war elitists say playing SC2 would somehow "taint" YellOw. How? They are different games, if he doesn't succeed it doesn't take anything away from his BW achievements.
On June 25 2011 21:06 Cedstick wrote: I watch both. I think SC2 has the potential to be as good as BW, easily, the play just isn't on that level yet. For now, BW > SC2, spectator-wise.
Now, back on-topic: I want to be a YellOw fan, so I hope he comes over to SC2
Maybe in game quality, but every thing else, the casting, stream quality, foreigner diversity etc. is better for SC2. I never really got into competitive BW despite playing for ages, because I didn't like watching the streams when the only language was korean. I only ever watched recasted or extremely hyped games on youtube.
I don't get how the brood war elitists say playing SC2 would somehow "taint" YellOw. How? They are different games, if he doesn't succeed it doesn't take anything away from his BW achievements.
I wouldn't mind if he went over to SC2 to seek new endeavors, but the way Yellow worded his retirement statement implies he will have nothing to do with E-Sports.
On June 18 2011 07:52 white_horse wrote: KT has said that it is unlikely that yellow will stay as a coach and has also said that he has zero interest in SC2, so it's probable that he's just going to leave the scene completely, which is kind of unfortunate considering how much of an icon he is.
btw why do some of you guys hope that certain BW players/retired players will switch to SC2? It's pointless wishful thinking...most of the brood war players that want to switch already have. Unless your only a practice partner or play very badly, it's kind of hard to be a regular brood war progamer and think "oh I'm going into SC2 after I'm done with this" at the same time. It's really difficult to be a good progamer unless all your attention is into one game or the other.
Because we love watching great players play Starcraft 2? And we all still actually play SC2, whereas I'm sure far fewer members here still play BW. (And in general there is actually a foreign SC2 scene, and 0 foreign BW scene, so that drives a lot of interest and desire for GREAT competitions.)
And many, I'm sure, find it more fun to watch and play at this point.
lol. You obviously have never watched a BW game if you really mean that SC2 is more fun to watch. Either that, or you know nothing about BW and so end up being lost in every game you watch.
That's one of the dumbest things I've ever read, and I'm not even being a BW elitist. I play SC2 now more than I've ever played BW. Still, watching SC2 does not hold a candle to BW.
People flood SC2 LR threads with posts like "EPIC!" or "BEST GAME EVER" after games that would be pretty standard BW games. If only they knew what they were missing by limiting themselves to watching SC2 instead of both.
On June 18 2011 07:52 white_horse wrote: KT has said that it is unlikely that yellow will stay as a coach and has also said that he has zero interest in SC2, so it's probable that he's just going to leave the scene completely, which is kind of unfortunate considering how much of an icon he is.
btw why do some of you guys hope that certain BW players/retired players will switch to SC2? It's pointless wishful thinking...most of the brood war players that want to switch already have. Unless your only a practice partner or play very badly, it's kind of hard to be a regular brood war progamer and think "oh I'm going into SC2 after I'm done with this" at the same time. It's really difficult to be a good progamer unless all your attention is into one game or the other.
Because we love watching great players play Starcraft 2? And we all still actually play SC2, whereas I'm sure far fewer members here still play BW. (And in general there is actually a foreign SC2 scene, and 0 foreign BW scene, so that drives a lot of interest and desire for GREAT competitions.)
And many, I'm sure, find it more fun to watch and play at this point.
I didn't find anything wrong with your post until that last line.....
Please do not say something like that ever again. You could really piss off some diehard BW fans. I for one am also kind of pissed. I enjoy both SC2 and BW. And certainly would never say anything like "oh, but ppl like SC2 better."
No, not really. That's just your opinion
Am...and you haven't noticed every 2ed post from old bw players, is in fact how much better the game was/or how much better it was as a sport ?
On June 25 2011 17:02 Cofo wrote: Sorry if this has already been posted (I only skimmed), but I just saw this on Reddit and thought it was pretty funny.
BoxerR's retirement gift to Yellow:
Given Yellow's comments about Boxer switching to SC2, this seems a little passive-aggressive from the Emperor.
wat were his comments on boxer switching? i mustve missed it
That it was disgraceful and stuff.
According to Boxer's fiance, the box was actually empty. They're holding the CD for him in the SlayerS house for when (if) he decides to switch to SC2, along with a SlayerS uniform for him.
I wonder how much Boxer is trying to coax over BW players, or if this is a special thing just for Yellow.
On June 25 2011 17:02 Cofo wrote: Sorry if this has already been posted (I only skimmed), but I just saw this on Reddit and thought it was pretty funny.
BoxerR's retirement gift to Yellow:
Given Yellow's comments about Boxer switching to SC2, this seems a little passive-aggressive from the Emperor.
wat were his comments on boxer switching? i mustve missed it
That it was disgraceful and stuff.
According to Boxer's fiance, the box was actually empty. They're holding the CD for him in the SlayerS house for when (if) he decides to switch to SC2, along with a SlayerS uniform for him.
I wonder how much Boxer is trying to coax over BW players, or if this is a special thing just for Yellow.
Okay that's just lame if it's true, why would Yellow fall for those antics if he already called Boxer out on switching.
On June 25 2011 21:06 Cedstick wrote: I watch both. I think SC2 has the potential to be as good as BW, easily, the play just isn't on that level yet. For now, BW > SC2, spectator-wise.
Now, back on-topic: I want to be a YellOw fan, so I hope he comes over to SC2
Maybe in game quality, but every thing else, the casting, stream quality, foreigner diversity etc. is better for SC2. I never really got into competitive BW despite playing for ages, because I didn't like watching the streams when the only language was korean. I only ever watched recasted or extremely hyped games on youtube.
I don't get how the brood war elitists say playing SC2 would somehow "taint" YellOw. How? They are different games, if he doesn't succeed it doesn't take anything away from his BW achievements.
Personal preference, I haven't heard a really good english commentary since Klazart stopped commentating, Tastosis is oke but I prefer the korean commentary even in GSL.
On June 25 2011 17:02 Cofo wrote: Sorry if this has already been posted (I only skimmed), but I just saw this on Reddit and thought it was pretty funny.
BoxerR's retirement gift to Yellow:
Given Yellow's comments about Boxer switching to SC2, this seems a little passive-aggressive from the Emperor.
wat were his comments on boxer switching? i mustve missed it
That it was disgraceful and stuff.
According to Boxer's fiance, the box was actually empty. They're holding the CD for him in the SlayerS house for when (if) he decides to switch to SC2, along with a SlayerS uniform for him.
I wonder how much Boxer is trying to coax over BW players, or if this is a special thing just for Yellow.
Okay that's just lame if it's true, why would Yellow fall for those antics if he already called Boxer out on switching.
Fall for those antics? He's being a genuinely nice guy by offering a position on one of the strongest teams in SC2 right now.
Yellow, during the filming, said that "The ID Call filming is really interesting and different", and remarked that "I would like help out in the Starcraft 2 leagues in any way possible"
Interesting interesting.
Adding fuel to the rumors, there's a SlayerSYellow on the ladder, but SlayerS_Jessica (Boxer's fiance head of SlayerS) has said that it's a fake (which should be obvious because it's missing the underscore, and the real Yellow capitalizes the OW in his name).
GSL finals have a reputation for....sucking...so GOM started putting in "undercards". I would not at all be surprised to see a YellOW vs Boxer Bo5 showmatch before a finals in the not too distant future. I think Yellow played some SC2 alpha blizzcons, but that might have been a different Yellow (he was playing Protoss).
As for switching full-time....enh? Maybe? He does seem to be teasing it quite a bit, but maybe he's intending to be moving into more of the business side of e-sports.
It's sounding like he wants to get in to the management or production side of things of Sc2 if anything. I don't care either way -- it'd just be cool if he found a way to stay in eSports.
On July 05 2011 09:33 Cedstick wrote: It's sounding like he wants to get in to the management or production side of things of Sc2 if anything. I don't care either way -- it'd just be cool if he found a way to stay in eSports.
That's my read, too. It's interesting that he's feeling out the production side of a game he's not a legend in (Wolf and qxc didn't even recognize him!), but I guess there's a logic to that. He can kind of waltz in to a decent position based on his name recognition, and then be established and experienced there by the time Boxer/July/Nada retire, let alone before MMA or Sage or whatever becomes a legend of SC2 and then retires. Obviously he can get a decent position in BW because of his experience, but he's be a big fish in a small pond as an SC2 commentator or show host or whathaveyou.
And if the SC2 thing doesn't pan out, he always has the option of going back to BW (from a non-playing standpoint, ofc).
On July 05 2011 10:47 johanngrunt wrote: The only thing I know about Yellow is him losing to Boxer's bunker rush, that and it still says he's Power Rank 2 on the sidebar of TL.
Why quit if he's doing so well?
Oh god. XD
He's an old school player. He hasn't played (or won) a televised match in ages. Hehe.
On July 05 2011 10:47 johanngrunt wrote: The only thing I know about Yellow is him losing to Boxer's bunker rush, that and it still says he's Power Rank 2 on the sidebar of TL.
Why quit if he's doing so well?
He's an old school player. He hasn't played (or won) a televised match in ages. Hehe.
He won his second to last game, that was in december. So not really "in ages".
On July 05 2011 10:47 johanngrunt wrote: The only thing I know about Yellow is him losing to Boxer's bunker rush, that and it still says he's Power Rank 2 on the sidebar of TL.
Why quit if he's doing so well?
He's an old school player. He hasn't played (or won) a televised match in ages. Hehe.
He won his second to last game, that was in december. So not really "in ages".
I feel like seven months counts, but to each his own, haha.
On July 05 2011 16:25 FranzF1 wrote: Meh he betrayed SC:BW in almost 1 week, lame... I dont love you like before Yellow, more reasons to like Samsung and his players.
I honestly do not understand this xenophobic attitude some people here have. HOW did he betray BW? Honestly, answer that with a straight forward objective answer.
You're not even a real fan, to be honest. You're not even looking this from Yellow's perspective. And to be frank that sickens me that you can make such a disgusting statement and also proclaim that you don't like him anymore, like he OWES you something.
What would you have him do? Sit on the KT bench all the time, never having a chance to play in PL nor even advance past the MSL and OSL prelims? Is that what Yellow should still be doing? Being useless as far as being a player goes? Is him moving on with his life mean that he's KILLING BW or something? This goes the same with Boxer, Nada and July. Were they meant to spend the rest of their careers simply being bench-warmers for their respective teams or just become coaches?
Did you even think about what THEY want? Did it occur to you that maybe some of them want to advance their pro-gaming careers further in another environment? Or must they cater to people like YOU who demand they stay in only one area for their entire lives? Who are you to say they're betraying BW? Will BW suddenly experience a massive upheaval that will tear it asunder?
No, you're just a xenophobic BW elitist. You're just as bad as some of the SC2 fanatics here.
Really, you're not intelligent with your hate. It's bigoted, biased and you insult Yellow by even claiming to like him. Do not post again about this
Sad to see Kong retire but atleast he was doing it before the PL playoffs so KT wont be jinxed in the final against SKT like in the recent WL final .
Actually Yellow had some epic matches in his latest years. His recent wins against Bisu, Leta and Jaedong are going to be remembered by many, myself included. Too bad he didnt win any majors (MSL/OSL) but it's not like he didnt win any tournaments - he picked up the King og Kings tournament and the KPGA(MBC) winners championship. Also the maps were terrible for Zerg back in the day.
Anyway I feel like his semifinal loss against Casy in Shinhan1 was the most heartbreaking of his losses. He really deserved to win that OSL (he overcame some very hard maps for zerg) and he never really came back after that.
On July 05 2011 16:25 FranzF1 wrote: Meh he betrayed SC:BW in almost 1 week, lame... I dont love you like before Yellow, more reasons to like Samsung and his players.
I honestly do not understand this xenophobic attitude some people here have. HOW did he betray BW? Honestly, answer that with a straight forward objective answer.
You're not even a real fan, to be honest. You're not even looking this from Yellow's perspective. And to be frank that sickens me that you can make such a disgusting statement and also proclaim that you don't like him anymore, like he OWES you something.
What would you have him do? Sit on the KT bench all the time, never having a chance to play in PL nor even advance past the MSL and OSL prelims? Is that what Yellow should still be doing? Being useless as far as being a player goes? Is him moving on with his life mean that he's KILLING BW or something? This goes the same with Boxer, Nada and July. Were they meant to spend the rest of their careers simply being bench-warmers for their respective teams or just become coaches?
Did you even think about what THEY want? Did it occur to you that maybe some of them want to advance their pro-gaming careers further in another environment? Or must they cater to people like YOU who demand they stay in only one area for their entire lives? Who are you to say they're betraying BW? Will BW suddenly experience a massive upheaval that will tear it asunder?
No, you're just a xenophobic BW elitist. You're just as bad as some of the SC2 fanatics here.
Really, you're not intelligent with your hate. It's bigoted, biased and you insult Yellow by even claiming to like him. Do not post again about this
Calm down rofl... but funny what u call disgusting already xD never saw the world?.
Sad day for SC, we aged with him together, enjoy with him, grief with him in his darkest moment, when 2 lings would have changed a battle.... Too bad. He was a role model for all, he should have stayed...
Too many symbols left BW: Nada, Oov, Boxer, July, SaviOr, Nal_ra, Kingdom, Choja, Garimto.... And there's always those on second round like Luxury, Yarnc, ForGG, Sync...
On July 06 2011 13:01 therockmanxx wrote: Sc2 is just like a starcraft progamers cementary?
yep after ACE got all the young blood SC2 is the new progamer cemetary. i dont mind zombie yellow running around in SC2 though, they need some of that 2nd place spirit (if you know what i mean)
it's much better to see him in SC2 than not seeing him at all maybe SC2 competition will fire up now! give it a chance, some matches are really exciting (although not quite as exciting as great BW matches) my one wish would be for LuCifer to switch over, it's been a long time since I've been able to cheer for him T.T
On July 05 2011 10:47 johanngrunt wrote: The only thing I know about Yellow is him losing to Boxer's bunker rush, that and it still says he's Power Rank 2 on the sidebar of TL.
Why quit if he's doing so well?
Yellow was placed on the Power Rank to commemorate his BW career before he retired. But in fact he'd long been a bit washed up as a player --- he hadn't impacted individual leagues since god knows when (2005? earlier?) and hadn't been playing a whole lot in proleague either.
On July 05 2011 10:47 johanngrunt wrote: The only thing I know about Yellow is him losing to Boxer's bunker rush, that and it still says he's Power Rank 2 on the sidebar of TL.
Why quit if he's doing so well?
Yellow was placed on the Power Rank to commemorate his BW career before he retired. But in fact he'd long been a bit washed up as a player --- he hadn't impacted individual leagues since god knows when (2005? earlier?) and hadn't been playing a whole lot in proleague either.
Yep, if you didn't know he is forever winner of second place except in special events where he gains bonjwa powers.
Apparently, Yellow is switching to SC2, and is going to play a showmatch vs. Boxer on August 5.
Well, not necessarily switching. Forgg has been on the Korean SC2 ladder for a while and hasn't switched. Games are fun. Sometimes that's all it means. There's literally no reason for Yellow not to do some networking for the SC2 scene, even if he has no actual intention of switching. Keeps his options open.
I almost kind of hope Yellow isn't switching, and hasn't been really practicing SC2. I'm really curious to see a BW pro walk right out of BW into an SC2 booth.
Either way, when this match happens, we should post VODs to some Yellow/Boxer BW games in the LR thread :D
EPT
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