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On January 22 2005 17:07 cYaN wrote:
bah!!!!!! i don't want to install net framework. it blows beyond belief.
also i hope you can choose what to install from that bundle, not just installs everything.
anyways, that's it for wgt. not installing net framework. pgt here i come.
however, that's only my personal preferance.
gw traveltoaiur. you're doing great work for the bw community Do you even know what .net framework is?
As for bws, the timing seems kinda odd. I wouldnt be surprised if part of blizzards massive 1.12 update includes lots of new security technology, which might hold off hackers for quite some time, and definately render your program useless for a good while. Aside from the anti-cheat features of bws, you might not ever get it working again with whatever changes blizzard makes to sc. I doubt it will simply be the updating of a few offsets.
I guess you had put all this work into it only to be surprised by bliz's announcement so you might as well release it? heh.
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yes i do.
and it has previously caused me problems with my computer.
that answer your question?
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On January 23 2005 07:08 superpenguin wrote:
Edit: about .net i cant say it's realy something i love, but if it means moving bwscanner from "plain VB" to "c under .net", it's still a step in the right direction in my opinion.
moving to assembler would be a better move methinks
programs made in it dont need 25mb framework+internet explorer+service pack to run...
it will be probably 100mb -_-
whole starcraft can take like 120mb, with the fake install.exe (27mb)
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I just realized...when 1.12 comes out we're gonna have about a few days of guaranteed no hacking.
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I just realized...when 1.12 comes out we're gonna have about a few days of guaranteed no hacking.
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Most likely more than just a few days.
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On January 23 2005 10:29 8882 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 23 2005 07:08 superpenguin wrote:
Edit: about .net i cant say it's realy something i love, but if it means moving bwscanner from "plain VB" to "c under .net", it's still a step in the right direction in my opinion.
moving to assembler would be a better move methinks programs made in it dont need 25mb framework+internet explorer+service pack to run... it will be probably 100mb -_- whole starcraft can take like 120mb, with the fake install.exe (27mb) Hah, yea ok you try writing an entire network 'protocol' and interface in pure assembly. .NET is just an API for network design. Its probably really good to use it right now because nobody is going around hacking it or disrupting its development, so the simple act of using it is almost guaranteeing some semblance of security. And once it becomes too ambitious for microsoft to develop, or just plain useless once everyone decides to forgo it and write their own network code like most do today, then we'll be right back where we started.
As for the file size, downloading the .net framework will only encompass the size that it states for installation, around 23megs. BWS will not suddenly become huge, it will just utilize the components in .net to do its business. So its really gonna be bws+.net= 24-25 megs maybe. Not really sure how large of a program bws is by itself, but it cant be that big for what it does.
edit: ok i see youre talking about everything necessary for even installing NET. Well i think most of us are probably already MS users in the sense that we have IE installed and sp1/2. Whether or not we actually run them is a different story. But if you cant afford 100megs of total install space, well that doesnt really bother me, get a better comp 
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On January 22 2005 17:48 NonY wrote:
"added features that will make a game look like a replay ( except the game-speed... ) when you are observing a game!"
awesome!
that should be part of the 1.12 patch...
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On January 23 2005 11:37 Okita wrote:Show nested quote +On January 22 2005 17:48 NonY wrote:
"added features that will make a game look like a replay ( except the game-speed... ) when you are observing a game!"
awesome! that should be part of the 1.12 patch... Well it'll probably just be like BWObserver, where the screen centers on whatever unit gets selection. Not exactly the real thing. Full mouse recording and keyboard movement would be the shit though. Probably increase file size too much however.
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On January 23 2005 11:24 n00bsaibot wrote:Show nested quote +On January 23 2005 10:29 8882 wrote:On January 23 2005 07:08 superpenguin wrote:
Edit: about .net i cant say it's realy something i love, but if it means moving bwscanner from "plain VB" to "c under .net", it's still a step in the right direction in my opinion.
moving to assembler would be a better move methinks programs made in it dont need 25mb framework+internet explorer+service pack to run... it will be probably 100mb -_- whole starcraft can take like 120mb, with the fake install.exe (27mb) Hah, yea ok you try writing an entire network 'protocol' and interface in pure assembly. .NET is just an API for network design. Its probably really good to use it right now because nobody is going around hacking it or disrupting its development, so the simple act of using it is almost guaranteeing some semblance of security. And once it becomes too ambitious for microsoft to develop, or just plain useless once everyone decides to forgo it and write their own network code like most do today, then we'll be right back where we started. As for the file size, downloading the .net framework will only encompass the size that it states for installation, around 23megs. BWS will not suddenly become huge, it will just utilize the components in .net to do its business. So its really gonna be bws+.net= 24-25 megs maybe. Not really sure how large of a program bws is by itself, but it cant be that big for what it does. edit: ok i see youre talking about everything necessary for even installing NET. Well i think most of us are probably already MS users in the sense that we have IE installed and sp1/2. Whether or not we actually run them is a different story. But if you cant afford 100megs of total install space, well that doesnt really bother me, get a better comp
hopefully most of programmers dont think like you - "get a better comp", pgtour launcher (with the irritating deletion of servers) +ngi launcher+bwscanner would take 300mb -_-
like most new games arent optimized at all, that's why they run slowly like shit
well good that such thing was created, I hope it will detect all maphacks, not like the previous one
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what are you talking about. Where are you getting this 300meg number? Assuming you already have a windows based system, the only likely decrease in harddrive space is going to be around 25megs for the .NET stuff. Ngi, pgt, and bws will still be the same ole 500k-2meg files, or whatever their current sizes are. Just because they are utilizing a large program does not mean they too all the sudden become large. .NET is like the directx of network code. It does not require any additional storage space to use just because youre utilizing it.
Like i said, most of us are looking at a 25meg download, whoopdie friggin deal. And speed optimizations will never be noticed in app's as small as anti-cheat tools for starcraft.
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3.0 maybe? soon!
I need illintar's contact if anyone has it plz!
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