EPTLooks like blizzard is never going to get another cent from me. Who else is boycotting?
Paul Sams Interview: post-negotiation with KeSPA - Page 4
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gen.Sun
United States539 Posts
Looks like blizzard is never going to get another cent from me. Who else is boycotting? | ||
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Taekwon
United States8155 Posts
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Michaels
419 Posts
On May 28 2011 07:21 gen.Sun wrote: Who else is boycotting? Those who are boycotting CoD and SC2.. Oh wait ^^ | ||
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Xiphos
Canada7507 Posts
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Ribbon
United States5278 Posts
On May 28 2011 07:21 gen.Sun wrote: Oh ok so it's stated policy that they want to kill BW. Looks like blizzard is never going to get another cent from me. Who else is boycotting? Boycotting what, exactly? Not buying a game you weren't intending to buy? And if Blizz wanted to kill BW, I feel like "Let BW proceed unmolested if they put a Blizzard logo somewhere" is a bad way of going about it. | ||
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maybenexttime
Poland5830 Posts
On May 28 2011 07:31 Ribbon wrote: Boycotting what, exactly? Not buying a game you weren't intending to buy? And if Blizz wanted to kill BW, I feel like "Let BW proceed unmolested if they put a Blizzard logo somewhere" is a bad way of going about it. I intended to buy sc2 but I ended up not doing so cause I got fed up and decided I'm not gonna put up with all this bullshit from blizzard. Either they fix sc2 and stop trying to force it down people's throats or I'm not gonna buy any of their games ever. | ||
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Arnstein
Norway3381 Posts
On May 28 2011 07:21 gen.Sun wrote: Oh ok so it's stated policy that they want to kill BW. Looks like blizzard is never going to get another cent from me. Who else is boycotting? I can't promise anything, but I'll definitely reconsider buying D3 and SC2 expansions now. | ||
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gen.Sun
United States539 Posts
On May 28 2011 07:31 Ribbon wrote: Boycotting what, exactly? Not buying a game you weren't intending to buy? And if Blizz wanted to kill BW, I feel like "Let BW proceed unmolested if they put a Blizzard logo somewhere" is a bad way of going about it. Read the interview... I fully intended to get diablo and was really interested in the new ip I heard about. But no more. | ||
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aimaimaim
Philippines2167 Posts
On May 28 2011 02:56 [F_]aths wrote: I really cannot support this view. Regarding to sales, SC2 delivered almost exactly was "the scene" wanted as it builds its own scene. It does not need to convince every BW player. The BW players can continue to play BW. So everyone can have its preferred game. If you think that minimal dedication is enough to compete in SC2, why don't you to South Korea to earn some monaaayyy in the GSL? Why I am not able to see your name regulary in the Top-8 of western tournaments? Why are SlayerS and other teams, wo practicing A LOT, having good GSTL as well as good individual players standings? Try reading the thread completely, you're already derailing the thread as it is. People want what they want. No matter how stupid or futile it is. If you want to succeed SC2, that's fine by me. As for me, again, I will stay happy if the Blizzard doesn't get what they want in the undisclosed negotiations. I'll be one of those who will be laughing my ass of if blizzard utterly fails in the succeeding expansion to deliver what was to be expected as their next "e-sport product" because truth be told, Blizzard made the game but Korea made the E-Sport. The BW scene was created because they want more viewers to watch television and not to create an abusive market like how Blizzard has complete control over the scene. They can't even deliver balanced maps don't tell me they are going to address this when they release the 3rd installment of their game? Blizzard can't or won't touch the BW scene for a good year or so, more or less. If you think that BW isn't growing then you are terribly, terribly wrong. On May 28 2011 07:31 Ribbon wrote: Boycotting what, exactly? Not buying a game you weren't intending to buy? And if Blizz wanted to kill BW, I feel like "Let BW proceed unmolested if they put a Blizzard logo somewhere" is a bad way of going about it. Because Blizzard is abusive. They already have almost 10 years running with free advertisement and hype for SC2 by broadcasting the BW scene, they still want more. This isn't about IP rights, this is about domination and this was clearly seen when kespa released the demands blizzard wanted and now Blizzard failed greatly in achieving their goal. 'Forced Transition' my ass | ||
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Ribbon
United States5278 Posts
On May 28 2011 09:38 aimaimaim wrote: The BW scene was created because they want more viewers to watch television and not to create an abusive market like how Blizzard has complete control over the scene. What's the moral difference between Blizzard having complete control over the scene and Kespa having complete control over the scene? They can't even deliver balanced maps don't tell me they are going to address this when they release the 3rd installment of their game? That's not a question. Why is there a question mark? Anyway, tournaments use GSL maps nowadays, one of which (Tal'Darim Altar) has become an official ladder map. Blizzard has announced that more GSL maps will enter the ladder/they're going to change the map pool with the season changes. The current season of the GSL uses the following map pool. 1. Xel'Naga Caverns (Which Actually is balanced) 2. Metalopolis (A custom version with close ground spawns disabled so that it's balanced on all Spawn locations). 3. Bel'Shir Beach 4. Crevasse 5. Crossfire SE 6. Dual Sight 7. Tal'Darim Altar LE (Which is a ladder map, now) 8. Terminus RE 9. Xel'Naga Fortress The ladder still has some glaring issues, but downvoting Delta Quadrant (Blizz has acknowledged that this is a horrible map; I don't know why it's still around. Maybe they are evil), Slag Pits, and the Backwater Gulch gives you a balancedish pool. Steppes of War, Blistering Sands, Jungle Basin, Kulas Ravine, Lost Temple, and Desert Oasis have been replaced with notably improved maps like Shakuras Plateau (especially the most recent version without the backdoor rocks) and Tal'Darim Altar LE, The maps are changing. The game is becoming more balanced (In the GSL, Zerg have won 3 tournaments, and Terran and Protoss have each won 2), with more macro games involving more multipronged attacks and drops. It's still got miles and miles and miles to go to get to BW levels. It may never. There will always be a large number of people who prefer Brood War But SC2 now is way fucking better than SC2 back during the first few GSLs, and that shouldn't be glossed over. | ||
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CDRdude
United States5625 Posts
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Legatus Lanius
2135 Posts
On May 28 2011 04:14 icouldcareless wrote: Corporations have no such yearnings. Their sole goal is to increase profits. If corporations were people they would be considered psychopaths. lol i wasnt even talking about the corporation, that was my response to the guy that said go to korea and play sc2 for money if its so easy | ||
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Caos2
United States1728 Posts
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_Quasar_
Russian Federation4405 Posts
On May 28 2011 04:29 Ribbon wrote: I take it you're not an economist. Kespa and Flash and etc are only in BW for the money, too (despite Kespa's protestations to the contrary). Let's not overlook that. Rational people seek to maximize utility. trolooololololol money doesn't buy skill and titles. And people need honour and fame, that's the psychological imperative. Some say that it's the biggest motivator than the money, because, when you're famous and honoured, people give you their energy, support and you feel yourself happy and able to do even more. Money itself just doesn't provide this effect. Practically if you read many player interviews carefully, they don't really care about money, or not many of them do. Many of them just give the money they've won to parents and that's all. The money they get are more than enough to pay for the living. And above this level, the thing that interests them most is definitely the competitive spirit not just "to get more money lulz". And I think some people could even choose to put the money question aside if it was to reach the results they wanted. History knows many of such people, so why deny the fact that there might be ones now... O_o This trololololol about money is really annoying. Let people do what they want for the sake of what they want. Don't think about their motivation for them. X_X On May 28 2011 04:14 icouldcareless wrote: Corporations have no such yearnings. Their sole goal is to increase profits. If corporations were people they would be considered psychopaths. Yes they do have those, because otherwise anyone just would call the company the motherf**kers, many people would actually would turn to some better company that is producing games (and the opposing companies, producing the same kind of games, would 1000000% use the fact that their opponents are motherf**kers to their profit!) Company must maintain a good image otherwise it strikes them back. And you know when you want to maintain it, you must be at least a bit sincere, so that means you must actually CARE about being good, not only show the image to anyone only to make your income higher. A spark of sincerity is absolutely essential. | ||
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Legatus Lanius
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mmdmmd
722 Posts
On May 28 2011 11:04 Ribbon wrote: What's the moral difference between Blizzard having complete control over the scene and Kespa having complete control o Kespa wants Korea. Blizzard wants the world. The difference is pretty obvious. | ||
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_Quasar_
Russian Federation4405 Posts
On May 28 2011 08:19 maybenexttime wrote: I intended to buy sc2 but I ended up not doing so cause I got fed up and decided I'm not gonna put up with all this bullshit from blizzard. Either they fix sc2 and stop trying to force it down people's throats or I'm not gonna buy any of their games ever. Same. | ||
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Nazza
Australia1654 Posts
On May 28 2011 11:04 Ribbon wrote: What's the moral difference between Blizzard having complete control over the scene and Kespa having complete control over the scene? That's not a question. Why is there a question mark? Anyway, tournaments use GSL maps nowadays, one of which (Tal'Darim Altar) has become an official ladder map. Blizzard has announced that more GSL maps will enter the ladder/they're going to change the map pool with the season changes. The current season of the GSL uses the following map pool. 1. Xel'Naga Caverns (Which Actually is balanced) 2. Metalopolis (A custom version with close ground spawns disabled so that it's balanced on all Spawn locations). 3. Bel'Shir Beach 4. Crevasse 5. Crossfire SE 6. Dual Sight 7. Tal'Darim Altar LE (Which is a ladder map, now) 8. Terminus RE 9. Xel'Naga Fortress The ladder still has some glaring issues, but downvoting Delta Quadrant (Blizz has acknowledged that this is a horrible map; I don't know why it's still around. Maybe they are evil), Slag Pits, and the Backwater Gulch gives you a balancedish pool. Steppes of War, Blistering Sands, Jungle Basin, Kulas Ravine, Lost Temple, and Desert Oasis have been replaced with notably improved maps like Shakuras Plateau (especially the most recent version without the backdoor rocks) and Tal'Darim Altar LE, The maps are changing. The game is becoming more balanced (In the GSL, Zerg have won 3 tournaments, and Terran and Protoss have each won 2), with more macro games involving more multipronged attacks and drops. It's still got miles and miles and miles to go to get to BW levels. It may never. There will always be a large number of people who prefer Brood War But SC2 now is way fucking better than SC2 back during the first few GSLs, and that shouldn't be glossed over. While I agree that the esports scene is getting better, no amount of patches/maps could ever bring it to same level of tactics displayed in BW (Read the Savior Final Edit. We know what these tactics are. We just can't/don't see them in SC2. And even if we did, it's almost as if we're trying to use uninspirational units in an inspirational way). Also as you said, the ladder situation has gotten better, but Blizzard takes a long time to react when sometimes the answer is pretty obvious (well, at least for maps. Balance and numbers are a different story). | ||
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gen.Sun
United States539 Posts
I think SC2 is a decent game, but just inferior to BW in so many basic ways that it's frustrating. Sighs. | ||
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Darksoldierr
Hungary2013 Posts
On May 28 2011 07:21 gen.Sun wrote: Oh ok so it's stated policy that they want to kill BW. Looks like blizzard is never going to get another cent from me. Who else is boycotting? ![[image loading]](http://gamebane.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/11/boycotters-playing-modern-warfare-2.jpg) hm? | ||
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