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On May 09 2011 21:48 Furycrab wrote:Show nested quote +The agreement is believed to have arrived due to starcraft2’s failure to be embraced by the Korean fans. This I have a really hard time believing. Since by signing the contract they are subject to renewals (major point of contension) and it comes with obligations to put a Blizzard logo on everything they produce and likely with secondary obligation to not bad mouth any Blizzard products. However I don't think either party at this point wanted this to go to trial. This is worth a whole lot more to Blizzard than the paltry Licensing fees, so my guess is that Blizzard might have slacked on some other terms in light of Foreign SC2 having a good scene building. I think it's safe to say that everyone wins.
It's kinda sad that we didn't start at "everyone wins" but instead only got there after all the bickering, drama and lawsuits.
At least we seem to be getting there eventually. I do hope KeSPA stays the fuck out of SC2 though, don't need their retarded shit there too.
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On May 09 2011 21:51 Xkalibert wrote:Show nested quote +On May 09 2011 21:45 Antoine wrote:On May 09 2011 21:42 Musou wrote:On May 09 2011 21:28 Omegalisk wrote:
While it's great that they are finally coming to an agreement, that news article/forum post is extremely biased toward KESPA. I would like to see a more neutral announcement (maybe when the deal is actually signed). On May 09 2011 21:30 Maliris wrote:
Hmm reading over that article again, it is incredibly biased towards kespa.. ;/
SDM doesn't exactly like SC2/blizzard either You're not going to find a source that's less biased towards KeSPA. Fomos is by far the most Blizzard-friendly e-sports news site. DES and others are far more pro-KeSPA than Fomos, so if you're hoping to see something more neutral, you aren't going to be satisfied. well, it also depends on the writer. if this was written by daniel lee, as i suspect it to be, he's known to be pretty strongly pro-kespa and anti-sc2 Why is Daniel Lee Anti sc2 and blizzard? what happen between him and gom?
Daniel Lee I believe is one of the people who found BW an superior game to SC2(not my words), on top of that Blizzard attempted to shut down the BW scene somewhat , which would open up the way for SC2. I believe that is where his hate comes from(not sure though).
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On May 09 2011 21:44 LaLuSh wrote:
Superdanielman wrote the article ^^ The jab at sc2's popularity pretty expected.
Superdanielman didn't write the article;he just translated it. I just read the korean article, and SDM just made it sound more pointed than the article suggested. The article focused more on how both sides saw that this was hurting both.
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On May 09 2011 21:51 T0fuuu wrote:Show nested quote +On May 09 2011 21:45 haylmfao wrote:On May 09 2011 21:44 johanngrunt wrote:
How unpopular is SC2 in Korea? Compare the amount of people clapping at GSL to what you hear in proleague streams and you'll have the answer. Look at the server population in sc2 ranks and its a different story.
A different story in what way? SC2Ranks shows ~100k people playing SC2. The majority of the population is playing BW in PC Bangs on LAN or on custom servers like BrainClan/ICCUP. According to PC Bang stats, SC2 is not even in the top 10, while BW is consistently in the top 5.
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On May 09 2011 21:53 jpak wrote:Show nested quote +On May 09 2011 21:44 LaLuSh wrote:
Superdanielman wrote the article ^^ The jab at sc2's popularity pretty expected. Superdanielman didn't write the article;he just translated it. I just read the korean article, and SDM just made it sound more pointed than the article suggested. The article focused more on how both sides saw that this was hurting both.
are you willing to translate the original Article if it has some more information? I would add it to the OP then.
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On May 09 2011 21:52 LegendaryZ wrote:Show nested quote +On May 09 2011 21:50 Finrod1 wrote:
Would be intresting to see if kespa is trying to get into sc2. But that maybe counter productive for themselves if they cut their audience in half. So as long as bw is running good for them they have no need to expand. OGN and MBCGame do actually have a lot of airtime that could be filled. You have to keep in mind that these are 24/7 channels and while they do have games other than BW, much of that time could easily be allocated to SC2 programming.
I think I read somewhere that OGN and/or MBC did agree to air SC2, but only at a relatively inconvenient time compared to their BW leagues. Blizzard/Gretech didn't like this and demanded in their offered contract that SC2 be aired during prime time, which would directly conflict with the BW leagues. OGN/MBC disagreed with Blizzard/Gretech, and this was one of the key disagreements from the previously failed negotiations.
It'll be interesting to see what OGN/MBC does with SC2 now that everything is being wrapped up, though their decisions will be determined by the terms of the contract, much of which is probably still being hopefully finalized.
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On May 09 2011 21:53 jpak wrote:Show nested quote +On May 09 2011 21:44 LaLuSh wrote:
Superdanielman wrote the article ^^ The jab at sc2's popularity pretty expected. Superdanielman didn't write the article;he just translated it. I just read the korean article, and SDM just made it sound more pointed than the article suggested. The article focused more on how both sides saw that this was hurting both.
Where can we find the original article? Anyone that can translate it so we can have a more "neutral" source.
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On May 09 2011 21:51 thoradycus wrote:Show nested quote +On May 09 2011 21:45 haylmfao wrote:On May 09 2011 21:44 johanngrunt wrote:
How unpopular is SC2 in Korea? Compare the amount of people clapping at GSL to what you hear in proleague streams and you'll have the answer. It depends on the match really...if its like SKT vs OZ or something,sure its alot more. I doubt there would be full attendences at ACE vs Woongjin for example.
But that's proleague though. Compare OSL/MSL to GSL and GSTL to SPL/SWL.
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Great news. In the end Blizzard could not have won this. Sure they could possibly win in court but they could not win the fans and the market in Korea. What I think is more important however and much better for e-sports in and outside of Korea is that Blizzard realised they didnt have to win. Let Broodwar be Broodwar in Korea, dont mess with it, and take whatever success you can get with SC2 there, because the global success have exceeded all expectations.
It is clear that initially Korea was the goal, the mecca of e-sports, and that is where they wanted to succeed and to naturaly control the market of the products they made. Now, with full crontrol of SC2 and a global market at their feet, it was better to settle with a compromise in the KeSPA case.
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Heh, given the information in that statement, kespa/mbc/ongame might have just accepted every single demand Blizz made. Tbh, i wouldnt be surprised if thats what really happened considering Blizz seem to be sure about what they're doing before entering legal processes. Good that its over anyway.
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I thought for sure this would take more and more months to settle. Thank goodness it ended early ^_^
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Why is this in the SC2 section?
The settlement was more related to control over Broodwar broadcasting.
Anyway good news as we hopefully will no longer have to worry about OSL/MSL/Proleague having any issues with being broadcasted, I don't mind if SC2 is aired on the channels either if its at non-prime times, would be nice to see.
Hope the scenes remain separate though to ensure both survive.
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It is stupid to compare live attendancy, since OGN and MBC are on TV and GomTv is on the internet. Whereas GSL/TSL is only on very small channels.
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My question is how will this benefit SC2 in Korea? It seems more of a status quo with advertising and licensing promotion involved that BroodWar will continue to thrive for the future. Its already hard enough for SC2 to achieve a following and generate audience sucess when it has to compete with ease of TV access from the OGN and MBC networks. I'm sure we'll know more once the deal is finalized between the two parties and hopefully it'll involve allocation of broadcasting of SC2 matches.
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nice, i hope blizzard just stays the fuck out and leaves ogn/mbc/kespa alone
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Can people take the BW vs SC2 conversation down a notch. Been following this story for years now and I think it's safe to say that both* parties have done concessions to get the deal to work.
Simply put : Everyone wins!
SC2 fans get a whole new world of possibilities in a world where KESPA can't badmouth SC2 leagues and might even make products of it's own. As if I didn't already have enough stuff to watch every day  .
BW fans get the renewal we wanted without a huge and messy trial, which to me means more Fantasy proleague where my anti-team crushes my hopes and dreams  .
*I REALLY mean both, many points brought up just here would have never worked 3 years ago.
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Now i feel a little bit better after a bad day sofarXD This might trigger some more korean bw players to make the transition and maybe some bigger crowds! Great news!!
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Wait till an official statement, kiddies
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Oh, and isnt it a bit funny GOM gave back their SCBW broadcasting rights to Blizzard a few weeks ago? =)
This was probably coming already at that time, and since Blizz was coming to an agreement with ogn/mbc, GOM couldnt hold the rights anymore, so Blizz/GOM arranged a return of the rights to Blizz, who in turn now will allow ogn/mbc to broadcast. Maybe GOM having SCBW rights in the first place was probably just to scare ogn/mbc to agree on their demands?
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