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Waxangel
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
United States33499 Posts
April 03 2011 03:12 GMT
#81
It's just such a basic courtesy to acknowledge someone's labor, especially when it was done for completely selfless reasons. If Fomos wants to begin taking issue with TL as a site, then that's perfectly fine. But there should be some respect shown to the individual users, the foreign fans of BW who are the reason Daniel Lee has this job in the first place.
AdministratorHey HP can you redo everything youve ever done because i have a small complaint?
GoodRamen
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States713 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-03 03:17:09
April 03 2011 03:12 GMT
#82
On April 03 2011 11:20 moopie wrote:
While Daniel Lee has the right to do and say what he did, I feel that his actions are really counterproductive to the community. Since his eSTRO days he has been trying to "bring e-sports to the west" and now he is helping fomos set up an english site, thats great. Similarly, TL translators have put time and effort for a long time now to translate and bring interviews/articles to the non-korean speaking population, and a source is always included in the translation (so credit is given).

What Daniel could have done, was copy/paste the translations, and add a line in the bottom along the lines of "Content by fomos, translations by ____ of tl.net" (or similar). Everybody wins. He gets free translations to post, translators would be reaching a bigger base, and fomos establishes a better relationship with TL. Instead, he posts this:

Show nested quote +
lol everybody's been stealing material from fomos for years without permission, read the bottom of every article,not legal

Show nested quote +
and the pics being used everywhere as their content, highly illegal lol.

Show nested quote +
if I see fomos content being used anywhere other than fomos, pics too, it's gonna come back right where it's supposed to,translations,etc.

Show nested quote +
Don't take fomos content without permission,its illegal. Don't bitch at me for bringing back wut is rightfully fomos's property to begin

Show nested quote +
With, that includes pics as well

Show nested quote +
Actions will be taken especially if someone is profiting from it


So instead of thanking the people who volunteer their time to bring these interviews to the rest of the world, he prefers to call them thieves and threaten them with 'actions', thus alienating parts of a community instead of unifying it. So if translators stop translating (or move to DES sources instead), Daniel loses out on translations. This means either doing all the translations himself, finding his own staff of volunteers or not have english translations on fomos. And for what? ego? I don't see the logic.


i just saw it on his twitter and that pisses me off to.....mb the translator should just stop translating fomos.btw its not like tl is getting profit from it i think.
#1 Fantasy Fan!!!!
Cambium
Profile Blog Joined June 2004
United States16368 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-03 03:26:23
April 03 2011 03:25 GMT
#83
On April 03 2011 12:01 FakePlasticLove wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 03 2011 11:20 moopie wrote:
While Daniel Lee has the right to do and say what he did, I feel that his actions are really counterproductive to the community. Since his eSTRO days he has been trying to "bring e-sports to the west" and now he is helping fomos set up an english site, thats great. Similarly, TL translators have put time and effort for a long time now to translate and bring interviews/articles to the non-korean speaking population, and a source is always included in the translation (so credit is given).

What Daniel could have done, was copy/paste the translations, and add a line in the bottom along the lines of "Content by fomos, translations by ____ of tl.net" (or similar). Everybody wins. He gets free translations to post, translators would be reaching a bigger base, and fomos establishes a better relationship with TL. Instead, he posts this:

lol everybody's been stealing material from fomos for years without permission, read the bottom of every article,not legal

and the pics being used everywhere as their content, highly illegal lol.

if I see fomos content being used anywhere other than fomos, pics too, it's gonna come back right where it's supposed to,translations,etc.

Don't take fomos content without permission,its illegal. Don't bitch at me for bringing back wut is rightfully fomos's property to begin

With, that includes pics as well

Actions will be taken especially if someone is profiting from it


So instead of thanking the people who volunteer their time to bring these interviews to the rest of the world, he prefers to call them thieves and threaten them with 'actions', thus alienating parts of a community instead of unifying it. So if translators stop translating (or move to DES sources instead), Daniel loses out on translations. This means either doing all the translations himself, finding his own staff of volunteers or not have english translations on fomos. And for what? ego? I don't see the logic.

What's with this sense of entitlement you guys have? You guys pissed him off by bitching at him. Talk about double standards. Shit from fomos is taken all the time, it doesnt matter if you cite the source, people been doing w/e they want for years. Few translations of their original interviews are taken and people are outraged?


Translating an article and copy/pasting an article are completely different things. Doing a translation, the process itself, is a re-creation of the original content: the translator essentially re-writes the entire article in his own words based on his interpretations.

This is besides the point because translating something without authorization is copyright infringement.

Two wrongs do not make a right.

On April 03 2011 12:12 jaiBing wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 03 2011 11:20 moopie wrote:
While Daniel Lee has the right to do and say what he did, I feel that his actions are really counterproductive to the community. Since his eSTRO days he has been trying to "bring e-sports to the west" and now he is helping fomos set up an english site, thats great. Similarly, TL translators have put time and effort for a long time now to translate and bring interviews/articles to the non-korean speaking population, and a source is always included in the translation (so credit is given).

What Daniel could have done, was copy/paste the translations, and add a line in the bottom along the lines of "Content by fomos, translations by ____ of tl.net" (or similar). Everybody wins. He gets free translations to post, translators would be reaching a bigger base, and fomos establishes a better relationship with TL. Instead, he posts this:

lol everybody's been stealing material from fomos for years without permission, read the bottom of every article,not legal

and the pics being used everywhere as their content, highly illegal lol.

if I see fomos content being used anywhere other than fomos, pics too, it's gonna come back right where it's supposed to,translations,etc.

Don't take fomos content without permission,its illegal. Don't bitch at me for bringing back wut is rightfully fomos's property to begin

With, that includes pics as well

Actions will be taken especially if someone is profiting from it


So instead of thanking the people who volunteer their time to bring these interviews to the rest of the world, he prefers to call them thieves and threaten them with 'actions', thus alienating parts of a community instead of unifying it. So if translators stop translating (or move to DES sources instead), Daniel loses out on translations. This means either doing all the translations himself, finding his own staff of volunteers or not have english translations on fomos. And for what? ego? I don't see the logic.


i just saw it on his twitter and that pisses me off to.....mb the translator should just stop translating fomos.btw its not like tl is getting profit from it i think.


This is grey territory. TL is getting hits based on translations based on Fomos articles, so...
When you want something, all the universe conspires in helping you to achieve it.
Doraemon
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
Australia14949 Posts
April 03 2011 03:54 GMT
#84
good things happen when we play ssak and s2 and not sun and soo. keep it up!
Do yourself a favour and just STFU
aimaimaim
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Philippines2167 Posts
April 03 2011 04:02 GMT
#85
I'm starting to hate this man .. hmmm.
Religion is a dying idea .. || 'E-sport' outside Korea are nerds who wants to feel like rockstars. || I'm not gonna fuck with trolls on General Forum ever again .. FUCK!
Grobyc
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Canada18410 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-03 04:14:14
April 03 2011 04:05 GMT
#86
It would be nice if they referred TLs translation or provided some form of credit, but we take things from fomos all the time (with credit to them), so it I wouldn't be enraged enough to confront them with it. If it becomes their standard then I would begin to have a problem with it.

More on-topic, I'm beginning to like s2 + Ssak more and more. Nice to see them delivering for T1.
If you watch Godzilla backwards it's about a benevolent lizard who helps rebuild a city and then moonwalks into the ocean.
Too_MuchZerg
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
Finland2818 Posts
April 03 2011 04:06 GMT
#87
I think its fine if Fomos just credits it like this (note it doesn't have url to translation source as original article is from Fomos):

Translated by Teamliquid.net translator infinitestory.
infinitestory
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States4053 Posts
April 03 2011 04:10 GMT
#88
On April 03 2011 13:05 Grobyc wrote:
More on-topic, I'm beginning to like s2 + Ssak more and more. Nice to see them delivering for KT.

i certainly hope they dont deliver for KT lol
Translator:3
Grobyc
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Canada18410 Posts
April 03 2011 04:13 GMT
#89
gah shit, T1* lol >.>
If you watch Godzilla backwards it's about a benevolent lizard who helps rebuild a city and then moonwalks into the ocean.
Cambium
Profile Blog Joined June 2004
United States16368 Posts
April 03 2011 04:19 GMT
#90
On April 03 2011 13:10 infinitestory wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 03 2011 13:05 Grobyc wrote:
More on-topic, I'm beginning to like s2 + Ssak more and more. Nice to see them delivering for KT.

i certainly hope they dont deliver for KT lol

are they going to hyuk themselves?
When you want something, all the universe conspires in helping you to achieve it.
Carnivorous Sheep
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Baa?21244 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-03 08:21:16
April 03 2011 08:20 GMT
#91
I'd feel uncomfortable if my translations were taken for profit by Fomos with a copy-paste lol.

Fomos implies they're gonna put work and effort into setting up an English site, which would be awesome...then it turns out they're just copy pasting our work and trying to profit off it, and then they get aggressive and threaten "action" against the translators that they're taking content from lol...
TranslatorBaa!
xarthaz
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
1704 Posts
April 03 2011 09:14 GMT
#92
On April 03 2011 12:12 jaiBing wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 03 2011 11:20 moopie wrote:
While Daniel Lee has the right to do and say what he did, I feel that his actions are really counterproductive to the community. Since his eSTRO days he has been trying to "bring e-sports to the west" and now he is helping fomos set up an english site, thats great. Similarly, TL translators have put time and effort for a long time now to translate and bring interviews/articles to the non-korean speaking population, and a source is always included in the translation (so credit is given).

What Daniel could have done, was copy/paste the translations, and add a line in the bottom along the lines of "Content by fomos, translations by ____ of tl.net" (or similar). Everybody wins. He gets free translations to post, translators would be reaching a bigger base, and fomos establishes a better relationship with TL. Instead, he posts this:

lol everybody's been stealing material from fomos for years without permission, read the bottom of every article,not legal

and the pics being used everywhere as their content, highly illegal lol.

if I see fomos content being used anywhere other than fomos, pics too, it's gonna come back right where it's supposed to,translations,etc.

Don't take fomos content without permission,its illegal. Don't bitch at me for bringing back wut is rightfully fomos's property to begin

With, that includes pics as well

Actions will be taken especially if someone is profiting from it


So instead of thanking the people who volunteer their time to bring these interviews to the rest of the world, he prefers to call them thieves and threaten them with 'actions', thus alienating parts of a community instead of unifying it. So if translators stop translating (or move to DES sources instead), Daniel loses out on translations. This means either doing all the translations himself, finding his own staff of volunteers or not have english translations on fomos. And for what? ego? I don't see the logic.


i just saw it on his twitter and that pisses me off to.....mb the translator should just stop translating fomos.btw its not like tl is getting profit from it i think.
I dont think TL is a non-profit organisation.. Even if there is no direct revenue mechanism related to the article translations posted here, they do indirectly increase ad hits & content popularity so the charity argument isnt really valid
Aah thats the stuff..
Sawamura
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Malaysia7602 Posts
April 03 2011 09:18 GMT
#93
On April 03 2011 17:20 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:
I'd feel uncomfortable if my translations were taken for profit by Fomos with a copy-paste lol.

Fomos implies they're gonna put work and effort into setting up an English site, which would be awesome...then it turns out they're just copy pasting our work and trying to profit off it, and then they get aggressive and threaten "action" against the translators that they're taking content from lol...


So we stop translating than and let fomos do the job instead so they can't profit from tl.net translation !
BW/KT Forever R.I.P KT.Violet dearly missed ..
aimaimaim
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Philippines2167 Posts
April 03 2011 09:35 GMT
#94
Hyuk will all-kill in any king-of-the-hill format finals
Religion is a dying idea .. || 'E-sport' outside Korea are nerds who wants to feel like rockstars. || I'm not gonna fuck with trolls on General Forum ever again .. FUCK!
_romantic
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States455 Posts
April 03 2011 09:56 GMT
#95
This interview is so unlike a normal SKT interview--they show a healthy amount of respect for KT. Makes me want to be less of an anti-fan. But then I read Lightwip's posts...
Jaedong beats other players. Bisu beats other players, in PL. Flash beats Starcraft.
saritenite
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Singapore1680 Posts
April 03 2011 13:57 GMT
#96
On April 03 2011 18:56 l0st_romantic wrote:
This interview is so unlike a normal SKT interview--they show a healthy amount of respect for KT. Makes me want to be less of an anti-fan. But then I read Lightwip's posts...


Trivia: Fantasy was on the same clan as Flash ^-^
ibreakurface
Profile Joined June 2010
United States664 Posts
April 03 2011 14:46 GMT
#97
I want to see this vT strategy. Prolly a TvT one.
:) I play zerg. FOX AND KT ROLSTER COASTER FAN! Because I love everyone. Except bisu.
Hesmyrr
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Canada5776 Posts
April 03 2011 15:07 GMT
#98
Oh wow, fomos. To what extent can you fail? And I was wondering what all those copy-pasta comment from the English announcement article was all about -_-. I have no problem with it if they start including credits as stated, but just in case you should put random author's note including your ID in middle of your translation =/
"If watching the MSL finals makes you a progamer, then anyone in Korea can do it." - Ha Tae Ki
gostunv
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Japan1178 Posts
April 03 2011 15:53 GMT
#99
I like how we have been "stealing" stuff from fomos when almost everything taken from fomos WE LINK AND GIVE CREDIT to fomos directly. Which in turn should increase hits on the fomos site!

all we were asking was to give whoever did the translation credit if you do copy-paste it.
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Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States10328 Posts
April 03 2011 16:41 GMT
#100
On April 03 2011 22:57 saritenite wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 03 2011 18:56 l0st_romantic wrote:
This interview is so unlike a normal SKT interview--they show a healthy amount of respect for KT. Makes me want to be less of an anti-fan. But then I read Lightwip's posts...


Trivia: Fantasy was on the same clan as Flash ^-^


my mind is always blown by their clan. http://cafe.daum.net/ClanBY. they shouldn't be allowed to be so good... even still they have fantasy, flash, kal, hero, movie, snow, hydra, baby... ~_~
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