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uhjoo
Profile Joined October 2004
Korea (South)1740 Posts
November 16 2004 03:57 GMT
#1
2 minutes and 57 seconds, niza beat yooi with a 4 pool, eclipsing the previous record of 3 minutes 13 seconds (or so). afterwards, niza said something like, "i didn't use 4 pool to try to beat the record," and "i'm so sorry to yooi." to which i say:

* why did you 4 pool if you were going to be sorry about it? i suppose even among pros there's some sensitivity to cheese~

* also, does anyone else notice that z's seem to be 4/5/6 pooling alot more recently?
i want bubbles the warrior monkey back
poor newb
Profile Joined April 2004
United States1879 Posts
November 16 2004 03:59 GMT
#2
lmao whats up with all the cheese
How do you mine minerals?
Kaotu
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
United States986 Posts
November 16 2004 04:00 GMT
#3
awesome, go 4 poolers...

Its only fair. -_-

To anyone who says 4 pool is cheesier than early rax, just remember that early rax is nearly as dangerous, but its actually a safe strat. Which is kind of lame.
mrmin123 *
Profile Blog Joined January 2004
Korea (South)2971 Posts
November 16 2004 04:05 GMT
#4
maybe the face of pro-gaming strategy is changing, and all progamers will start cheesing, and they will start developing anti-cheese strats that are cheeses in itself!!

omg its a half-assed paradox!
Translator태양은 묘지위에 붉게 떠오르고 / 한낮에 찌는 더위는 나의 시련 일찌라!
iNcontroL *
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
USA29055 Posts
November 16 2004 04:08 GMT
#5
id be so fucking pissed to lose to that shit. Its the epitome of "win or die" strats that koreans boost foreigners use and koreans dont.
maleorderbride
Profile Joined November 2002
United States2916 Posts
November 16 2004 04:12 GMT
#6
you mean boast?

I always have thought that koreans are the ultimate gay at BW. They are so extremely willing to go do or die on an opponent. ON gamei, when I played, it seemed like simple survival was enough to win vs all the cheesy terrans and zergs I played. ( im toss)
Some cause happiness wherever they go; others, whenever they go.
shinigami
Profile Blog Joined June 2004
Canada423 Posts
November 16 2004 04:16 GMT
#7
It seems Koreans are willing to accept cheese as a form of a whole new level of starcraft gaming.

Disrespecting your opponent and winning at the same time!
If you lose while cheesing, it was a cheese anyways!
No big deal, 'cause it had a high rate of failure anyways!

Absolutely genius.
I was thinking about joining a debate club, but I was talked out of it.
Kaotu
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
United States986 Posts
November 16 2004 04:24 GMT
#8
On November 16 2004 13:16 shinigami wrote:
It seems Koreans are willing to accept cheese as a form of a whole new level of starcraft gaming.

Disrespecting your opponent and winning at the same time!
If you lose while cheesing, it was a cheese anyways!
No big deal, 'cause it had a high rate of failure anyways!

Absolutely genius.


Wow, it IS genius..!! I wish I could see it like that.

Soon, you will be laughed at if you play depot before rax, overlord before pool, or anything later than a 6 pylon.
MPXMX
Profile Joined December 2002
Canada4309 Posts
November 16 2004 04:26 GMT
#9
Revenge for yellow on those terrans...
WhizKid77
Profile Joined November 2003
China682 Posts
November 16 2004 04:31 GMT
#10
hmm the 2min57sec record is kinda pointless because it all depends on when the terran says gg and leaves. yooi could have floated his cc and waited like 20 seconds
hay guys u thare???
Bizkit
Profile Joined October 2002
Sweden1137 Posts
November 16 2004 04:37 GMT
#11
I think all the pro zergs have made some hidden sect to cheese cuz of yellows games versus boxer =D
http://www.gosugamers.net
wasted
Profile Joined October 2002
Germany1789 Posts
November 16 2004 04:57 GMT
#12
i think i'd be able to lose faster than that
---gone---
Cambium
Profile Blog Joined June 2004
United States16368 Posts
November 16 2004 04:58 GMT
#13
On November 16 2004 13:31 WhizKid77 wrote:
hmm the 2min57sec record is kinda pointless because it all depends on when the terran says gg and leaves. yooi could have floated his cc and waited like 20 seconds


That's why he didn't use it just to beat the record.
When you want something, all the universe conspires in helping you to achieve it.
thelucas
Profile Joined October 2004
Slovakia285 Posts
November 16 2004 05:09 GMT
#14
Cheesing is good, the game will develop to next level, maybe pro will start sooner scouting. With 5th worker.
The real fight will begin in 2nd minute.
this is possibility to show what is perfection
poor newb
Profile Joined April 2004
United States1879 Posts
Last Edited: 2004-11-16 05:13:53
November 16 2004 05:13 GMT
#15
damn cheeses, i'll have to scout with 1st worker now
How do you mine minerals?
Elvin_vn
Profile Blog Joined March 2004
Vietnam2038 Posts
Last Edited: 2004-11-16 05:23:53
November 16 2004 05:23 GMT
#16
u stupid !! cheese is ART and GENIUS !!! didn't Boxer show that?

j/k
do not agrue with idiots, they will pull you down to their level and beat you with their experiences
AgonyRush
Profile Joined January 2003
United States2540 Posts
November 16 2004 05:27 GMT
#17
it will all end in peon rushes:O
ANd then noone will argue terranibest!
A team is only as good as its worst lineup
Gp.Lao
Profile Joined April 2004
Belgium445 Posts
November 16 2004 05:37 GMT
#18
Gosh, imagine 4 pool 8 rax 6/7 pylon becoming a standard buildup, haha. How noobie would that be!

A guy who plays the 1st time in his life with zerg, mostly goes 4pool.. how noobie would we look
aka sunsHine
yare
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
507 Posts
November 16 2004 05:39 GMT
#19
starcraft has always been an evolving mass of strategies. perhaps zerg needs good rushing again to bring terran back down to managable starts instead of ultra greedy ultra teched.
Gp.Lao
Profile Joined April 2004
Belgium445 Posts
November 16 2004 05:39 GMT
#20
BUt omfg, what if this, actually is the perfect play.
6 years of advanced strats, timing & skills, to eventually end up in the very beginning.
aka sunsHine
Cambium
Profile Blog Joined June 2004
United States16368 Posts
November 16 2004 05:41 GMT
#21
If yooi started his rack at 8, then 6 SCVs at the ramp, he could have fended it off.
When you want something, all the universe conspires in helping you to achieve it.
Elvin_vn
Profile Blog Joined March 2004
Vietnam2038 Posts
Last Edited: 2004-11-16 05:49:18
November 16 2004 05:41 GMT
#22
On November 16 2004 14:39 Gp.Lao wrote:
BUt omfg, what if this, actually is the perfect play.
6 years of advanced strats, timing & skills, to eventually end up in the very beginning.


yeah Bush is trying the later
do not agrue with idiots, they will pull you down to their level and beat you with their experiences
Hew
Profile Joined November 2004
2 Posts
November 16 2004 05:52 GMT
#23
remember... play to win. If you win by 'cheese', you still win.

Read this article: http://www.sirlin.net/Features/feature_PlaytoWinPart0.htm

Then you will know what I mean
Gp.Lao
Profile Joined April 2004
Belgium445 Posts
November 16 2004 05:58 GMT
#24
oh no not this article again!
aka sunsHine
Gp.Lao
Profile Joined April 2004
Belgium445 Posts
November 16 2004 05:59 GMT
#25
didnt bother to read it once
aint gonna bother to read it twice
aka sunsHine
Danka
Profile Blog Joined January 2004
Peru1018 Posts
November 16 2004 06:04 GMT
#26
Like in So many sports it stops being about the game and becomes about winning. Really About the Money. Theres nothing to say except that its sad. It will slowly continue tu degenerate.
Its not the size of the dog in the fight, its the size of the fight in the dog. - Mark Twain
fjfjfjfj
Profile Joined November 2004
United States32 Posts
November 16 2004 06:07 GMT
#27
i think the game of starcraft would benefit a lot if all the games ended in like seven minutes, because then it wouldn't take so goddamn long to play a few games
LegendaryDreams
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
Canada1350 Posts
November 16 2004 06:27 GMT
#28
On November 16 2004 15:07 fjfjfjfj wrote:
i think the game of starcraft would benefit a lot if all the games ended in like seven minutes, because then it wouldn't take so goddamn long to play a few games

...obviously you don't know for the fact that most SC games are 15~20 min.
call me moxie
Elvin_vn
Profile Blog Joined March 2004
Vietnam2038 Posts
November 16 2004 08:40 GMT
#29
On November 16 2004 15:07 fjfjfjfj wrote:
i think the game of starcraft would benefit a lot if all the games ended in like seven minutes, because then it wouldn't take so goddamn long to play a few games


I don't think people would pay 10 bucks or so to watch a couple of 7 min games
do not agrue with idiots, they will pull you down to their level and beat you with their experiences
radiaL
Profile Joined August 2003
Andorra2690 Posts
November 16 2004 08:41 GMT
#30
plus 15-20 mins games are perfect for TV broadcast.. half hour broadcasts: 15-20 min game + 5~ of intro/outro + 5~ commericals
sideproject: twitch.tv Starcraft II Viewers data - http://twitchsc2data.com/
Dave[9]
Profile Blog Joined October 2003
United States2365 Posts
November 16 2004 08:50 GMT
#31
i higlhy doubt into/ountro's are ever 5 mins long.

though the commercials are good when you see hot kor chicks =]

haha could you imagine, cheese would make wcg over in like an hour

though i highly doubt it will go into efect that cheese=mandatory.

thats a pretty stupid idea actually =/
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=104154&currentpage=316#6317
Jesus Christ
Profile Joined October 2004
United States35 Posts
November 16 2004 09:03 GMT
#32
i have always been scouting on 5 ~_~;
Giggle
GoGoGo[cF]
Profile Joined September 2004
China545 Posts
November 16 2004 09:04 GMT
#33
My shortest TMA beat down time was in 5:16, we all got 5000pts and we all bombed...Good Times. :D


Cheese is an art, I seriously don't know why people hate, it. If it happens to you deal with it and learn from it to get better....And next time, don't be so stupid as to let yourself open for such a move.
aka: sbOy[1FaM] ---Retired Gaming---
neSix
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
United States1772 Posts
November 16 2004 09:35 GMT
#34
I have my doubts about cheese becoming so standard. Maybe I'm just hoping there are more people like me, who are too ignorant to change their ways. I'll lose 100 games straight before I start building my pylon at six and holding probes so I can have a gate at seven.
IntoTheWow
Profile Blog Joined May 2004
is awesome32277 Posts
November 16 2004 10:07 GMT
#35
Sucks to be 4 pooled.

Even i used to play Zerg, there was no point in doing it.

it means you didnt scout at 5 because there is a standard and i have enought apms to make a early and rally point.

It takes the fun out. I know they are playing to win. but damn, whats the point. its also an entretainment for spectators.
Moderator<:3-/-<
FreeMarine
Profile Joined November 2004
Canada76 Posts
November 16 2004 10:46 GMT
#36
Shouldn't everyone be screaming imbalance z>t?
pooper-scooper
Profile Joined May 2003
United States3108 Posts
November 16 2004 11:16 GMT
#37
On November 16 2004 19:46 FreeMarine wrote:
Shouldn't everyone be screaming imbalance z>t?


HA very good point
Good...Bad... Im the guy with the gun
Ack1027
Profile Blog Joined January 2004
United States7873 Posts
November 16 2004 11:24 GMT
#38
On November 16 2004 13:37 Bizkit wrote:
I think all the pro zergs have made some hidden sect to cheese cuz of yellows games versus boxer =D


LMFAO
on.sp33d
Profile Joined October 2004
134 Posts
November 16 2004 11:29 GMT
#39
Well, there is a gain from all this. At least now, progamers will think twice before deciding to go all out early tech.
Good friends stab you in the front.
FeelTheMoment
Profile Joined August 2004
89 Posts
November 16 2004 11:35 GMT
#40
It is no big deal someone 4pooled or 8rax, shit happens all the time.
Rekrul
Profile Blog Joined November 2002
Korea (South)17174 Posts
November 16 2004 11:40 GMT
#41
this sort of cheese will not become standard

it is rare and only works in rare scenarios

stfu
why so 진지해?
LumberJack
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States3355 Posts
November 16 2004 12:15 GMT
#42
On November 16 2004 17:50 Dave307 wrote:
i higlhy doubt into/ountro's are ever 5 mins long.
=/


uh, you obviously dont watch many vods that show the intros then...
Man fears the darkness, and so he scrapes away at the edges of it with fire.
Amnesty
Profile Joined April 2003
United States2054 Posts
November 16 2004 12:19 GMT
#43
four poolers i salute you
The sky just is, and goes on and on; and we play all our BW games beneath it.
Kobayashi
Profile Joined February 2003
Portugal1970 Posts
November 16 2004 12:21 GMT
#44
On November 16 2004 20:40 Rekrul wrote:
this sort of cheese will not become standard

it is rare and only works in rare scenarios

stfu


let's hope so
I love mankind, its people I hate
Amnesty
Profile Joined April 2003
United States2054 Posts
November 16 2004 12:24 GMT
#45
On November 16 2004 14:39 Gp.Lao wrote:
BUt omfg, what if this, actually is the perfect play.
6 years of advanced strats, timing & skills, to eventually end up in the very beginning.


Yah man, maybe we will discover long division again.
The sky just is, and goes on and on; and we play all our BW games beneath it.
asticx
Profile Joined February 2004
China100 Posts
November 16 2004 12:26 GMT
#46
Rush is more and more popular now because of boxer :D
Norway
Profile Blog Joined January 2004
United States341 Posts
November 16 2004 12:28 GMT
#47
he's just jealous that Yooi has tossgirl ^_^
Hoyooooo
Petachu
Profile Joined October 2003
Canada354 Posts
November 16 2004 13:38 GMT
#48
everyone play green valley

chess my ass!
WhizKid77
Profile Joined November 2003
China682 Posts
November 16 2004 14:02 GMT
#49
On November 16 2004 14:39 Gp.Lao wrote:
BUt omfg, what if this, actually is the perfect play.
6 years of advanced strats, timing & skills, to eventually end up in the very beginning.


haha i doubt starcraft games have perfect plays from the beginning of the game. perfect plays are hard to prove anyway. besides, if you watch the vod, terran mismicros his one marine - an scv gets in the way right before the marine dies. it probably could have reached the bunker without the scv there, hence it was a lucky win.
hay guys u thare???
ahk-gosu
Profile Joined July 2004
Korea (South)2099 Posts
November 16 2004 14:27 GMT
#50
he was really close to blocking it.
if he kept his building scv alive on his bunker and it was created a bit faster and the marine got inside. the zerg would have been screwed seeing as how he only had 3 or so drones left.
Micro.Macro.Scouting.Harassment.
exalted
Profile Blog Joined March 2004
United States3612 Posts
November 16 2004 14:34 GMT
#51
imbalance zerglings have too much hp and hatch too quickly, spawning pool is too expensive, should be moved to 500 so that they cannot rush, terran has barracks build so slowly and is bs zergling can get so many units so fast

too easy
[BOyGiRl]ShaRp
Profile Joined July 2004
Korea (S)1912 Posts
November 16 2004 15:31 GMT
#52
It's not that big of a deal guys
Both Yooi and Niza failed to get in the Challenge League finals regardless of their match so it really didn't matter who won. If it was an important game I think Niza would'nt have 4 pooled.
If it was an important game Yooi would have tried harder to block
Hexatron Bba!!
baal
Profile Joined March 2003
10541 Posts
November 16 2004 15:45 GMT
#53
On November 16 2004 23:34 exalted wrote:
imbalance zerglings have too much hp and hatch too quickly, spawning pool is too expensive, should be moved to 500 so that they cannot rush, terran has barracks build so slowly and is bs zergling can get so many units so fast



yes zerglins have too much HP! imbalance imbalance!
Im back, in pog form!
Destroyer
Profile Joined October 2002
Czech Republic937 Posts
November 16 2004 16:03 GMT
#54
hmmm 4pool vs terran progamer?, i cant belive that it can work..
never too old for starcraft :)
Gp.Lao
Profile Joined April 2004
Belgium445 Posts
November 16 2004 18:27 GMT
#55
with niza having 500 apm + he probably hotkeys every zergling under a different number. imagine that micro

nah bs
aka sunsHine
Gp.Lao
Profile Joined April 2004
Belgium445 Posts
November 16 2004 18:27 GMT
#56
On November 16 2004 20:40 Rekrul wrote:
this sort of cheese will not become standard

it is rare and only works in rare scenarios

stfu

You don't know that.
aka sunsHine
MaGnIfIcA
Profile Joined October 2002
Norway2312 Posts
November 16 2004 19:02 GMT
#57
haha, sucks
Wannabe sMB member yo, so spankable-.-v;;
PaleMan
Profile Joined October 2002
Russian Federation1953 Posts
November 16 2004 21:01 GMT
#58
On November 16 2004 21:28 Norway wrote:
he's just jealous that Yooi has tossgirl ^_^


best post in this topic!
Pure fan
Liquid`Nazgul
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
22427 Posts
November 16 2004 22:05 GMT
#59
rekrul is right let's leave it at that

I'd like to add that this is nothing new to progaming and certainly nothing to be excited/upset about
Administrator
DoubleStormIII
Profile Joined January 2004
Korea (South)2610 Posts
November 16 2004 22:31 GMT
#60
Pros actually defend 4-pool pretty well when they are prepared for it :O
And remember that Requiem takes shorter time to reach between bases and bases
Double Storm On You!
badme
Profile Joined February 2004
United States49 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-04-18 16:27:08
November 17 2004 06:42 GMT
#61
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