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Archaeo
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States397 Posts
May 29 2011 03:55 GMT
#361
So it was pointless playing GT? Also, isn't TZHS the highest in their division?
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hacklebeast
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5090 Posts
May 29 2011 04:45 GMT
#362
On May 29 2011 12:55 Kororo wrote:
So it was pointless playing GT? Also, isn't TZHS the highest in their division?


Kinda. Akskdsl was wrong about it being the top 2 teams, so If it is worth something, it is significantly less than what he thought.

And TZHS is top of their division now, but their 1 loss was vs rutgers, and rutgers has one more game to play, against winless MIT. If they win (which is likely) then they will both be 3-1 with RU holding the tie breaker.
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ArvickHero
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
10387 Posts
May 29 2011 07:19 GMT
#363
On May 28 2011 02:45 hacklebeast wrote:
I vote for:
(((DBHS vs GT) vs UCSD) vs CMU) vs (RU vs ((TZHS vs MIT) vs (UO vs CEM)))

Works off of the assumption that MIT loses their last 2 games, so adjust if they win one.

I like this system the best. Gives almost all teams the chance to play.. I suggest a Bo7 format (players repeat if necessary) with 5 consistent maps throughout the playoffs (so that it isn't a pain to prepare for many new maps, and gives top teams the opportunity to analyze, and to be played in a weekly fashion).
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Crunchums
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States11144 Posts
May 29 2011 08:36 GMT
#364
How about
(((DBHS vs GT) vs UCSD) vs CMU) vs (RU vs (TZ vs (CEM vs Ottawa)))

This is the product of removing MIT and awarding any unplayed MIT games to their opponents (since CEM and Ottawa would be the last two in their division the only effect this has is putting rutgers ahead of TZ)

I think this makes the most sense since MIT is the reason we have to compensate for stuff in the first place >__>
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hacklebeast
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5090 Posts
May 29 2011 15:40 GMT
#365
I went for everyone because it would take the same amount of time as top 4 (both 4 rounds), and it seemed weird to invite everyone but one. If it was top 3, then you at least eliminate a round so it can go faster.

But I don't know the back story of MIT, so if they have been that unresponsive, then I understand why you would want to leave them out.

The other question is Bo5, or Bo7? I think that straight up PL format with Bo3 Bo7 is a bit excessive, but everyone (except CEM) has at least 5, which is enough for 5 1v1, 2v2, ace match.
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Murderotica
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Vatican City State2594 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-29 17:06:45
May 29 2011 17:03 GMT
#366
It's not them being unresponsive that is not the case from our end at least. We played three matches on the day we were supposed to. One of our players had finals around that time so we tried to reschedule the other 2 matches for another day. It was 1-2 RU-MIT after the first 3, by the way. Then only one of the MIT people could make the rematch time and it became 2-2 (technically it's still 1-2 because it was the ace match that was played just in case, so if RU wins it's 3-2 and if we don't then we lose 1-3). Because we had to ask for a reschedule, I think it's only fair that MIT gets to have one as well. The two players have talked to each other but I don't think they've played yet and I'll ask my team mate when he is going to play.
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Crunchums
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States11144 Posts
May 29 2011 18:50 GMT
#367
I guess we're no longer pressed for time and could therefore wait for MIT
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Sharkified
Profile Joined January 2009
Canada254 Posts
May 29 2011 23:04 GMT
#368
On May 29 2011 12:44 Zepish wrote:

Also, I think hacklebeast's playoffs system is a good idea!



No it's not... it makes us not in itT_T
Zepish
Profile Joined June 2008
Canada160 Posts
May 30 2011 00:15 GMT
#369
On May 28 2011 02:45 hacklebeast wrote:
I vote for:
(((DBHS vs GT) vs UCSD) vs CMU) vs (RU vs ((TZHS vs MIT) vs (UO vs CEM)))

Works off of the assumption that MIT loses their last 2 games, so adjust if they win one.


I was talking about this one.
Murderotica
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Vatican City State2594 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-30 20:58:24
May 30 2011 18:32 GMT
#370
In that system UCSD gets an easier path despite having a worse record than TZH, and it basically means that the entire season was just for position not for any sort of elimination which I think is rubbish. As in, the people who were more successful during the season don't get that great of a benefit, becauseEVERYONE gets to play in playoffs? Why not just have playoffs in the first place then based off of last season lol.. In regular PL finals there are only 4 teams in play-offs, I think it should be the same way here but tournament style due to there being 2 divisions. So, E1 vs W2, W1 vs E2, winner vs winner = finals.
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l10f *
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States3241 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-30 20:56:40
May 30 2011 20:56 GMT
#371
On May 29 2011 17:36 Crunchums wrote:
How about
(((DBHS vs GT) vs UCSD) vs CMU) vs (RU vs (TZ vs (CEM vs Ottawa)))

This is the product of removing MIT and awarding any unplayed MIT games to their opponents (since CEM and Ottawa would be the last two in their division the only effect this has is putting rutgers ahead of TZ)

I think this makes the most sense since MIT is the reason we have to compensate for stuff in the first place >__>


That takes too long. We can't play after 3rd week of June, so I vote for top two from each area E1 vs W2, E2 vs W1 and a finals.


On May 31 2011 03:32 Murderotica wrote:
In that system UCSD gets an easier path despite having a worse record than TZH, and it basically means that the entire season was just for position for for any sort of elimination which I think is rubbish. As in, the people who were more successful during the season don't get that great of a benefit, becauseEVERYONE gets to play in playoffs? Why not just have playoffs in the first place then based off of last season lol.. In regular PL finals there are only 4 teams in play-offs, I think it should be the same way here but tournament style due to there being 2 divisions. So, E1 vs W2, W1 vs E2, winner vs winner = finals.


basically this.
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Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States10328 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-30 21:01:35
May 30 2011 21:01 GMT
#372
Lol we still haven't played that match....?? I'll email our players lol... =.= we did just finish finals like a week ago so we're on break now though...
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ArvickHero
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
10387 Posts
May 30 2011 21:10 GMT
#373
On May 31 2011 03:32 Murderotica wrote:
In that system UCSD gets an easier path despite having a worse record than TZH, and it basically means that the entire season was just for position not for any sort of elimination which I think is rubbish. As in, the people who were more successful during the season don't get that great of a benefit, becauseEVERYONE gets to play in playoffs? Why not just have playoffs in the first place then based off of last season lol.. In regular PL finals there are only 4 teams in play-offs, I think it should be the same way here but tournament style due to there being 2 divisions. So, E1 vs W2, W1 vs E2, winner vs winner = finals.

The system Crunchums last suggested (not Zepish) both UCSD and TZH have the same path, and UCSD does not necessarily have a worse record than TZH anyways (UCCS dropped out remember? Might as well have been 3-1 for UCSD). Plus, if you have been following Proleague for the last 2 years or so, you'd know that its top 6 teams out of 10 advance, not 4.
Writerptrk
l10f *
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States3241 Posts
May 30 2011 21:22 GMT
#374
On May 31 2011 06:10 ArvickHero wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 31 2011 03:32 Murderotica wrote:
In that system UCSD gets an easier path despite having a worse record than TZH, and it basically means that the entire season was just for position not for any sort of elimination which I think is rubbish. As in, the people who were more successful during the season don't get that great of a benefit, becauseEVERYONE gets to play in playoffs? Why not just have playoffs in the first place then based off of last season lol.. In regular PL finals there are only 4 teams in play-offs, I think it should be the same way here but tournament style due to there being 2 divisions. So, E1 vs W2, W1 vs E2, winner vs winner = finals.

The system Crunchums last suggested (not Zepish) both UCSD and TZH have the same path, and UCSD does not necessarily have a worse record than TZH anyways (UCCS dropped out remember? Might as well have been 3-1 for UCSD). Plus, if you have been following Proleague for the last 2 years or so, you'd know that its top 6 teams out of 10 advance, not 4.


That point aside, I think it's silly to have a playoff where every team participates, like Murderotica said. E1 vs W2, W1 vs E2 please.
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Crunchums
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States11144 Posts
May 30 2011 21:28 GMT
#375
On May 31 2011 06:22 l10f wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 31 2011 06:10 ArvickHero wrote:
On May 31 2011 03:32 Murderotica wrote:
In that system UCSD gets an easier path despite having a worse record than TZH, and it basically means that the entire season was just for position not for any sort of elimination which I think is rubbish. As in, the people who were more successful during the season don't get that great of a benefit, becauseEVERYONE gets to play in playoffs? Why not just have playoffs in the first place then based off of last season lol.. In regular PL finals there are only 4 teams in play-offs, I think it should be the same way here but tournament style due to there being 2 divisions. So, E1 vs W2, W1 vs E2, winner vs winner = finals.

The system Crunchums last suggested (not Zepish) both UCSD and TZH have the same path, and UCSD does not necessarily have a worse record than TZH anyways (UCCS dropped out remember? Might as well have been 3-1 for UCSD). Plus, if you have been following Proleague for the last 2 years or so, you'd know that its top 6 teams out of 10 advance, not 4.


That point aside, I think it's silly to have a playoff where every team participates, like Murderotica said. E1 vs W2, W1 vs E2 please.

that works too... but MIT and Rutgers still need to finish their match >__>
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Murderotica
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Vatican City State2594 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-30 21:37:21
May 30 2011 21:29 GMT
#376
On May 31 2011 06:10 ArvickHero wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 31 2011 03:32 Murderotica wrote:
In that system UCSD gets an easier path despite having a worse record than TZH, and it basically means that the entire season was just for position not for any sort of elimination which I think is rubbish. As in, the people who were more successful during the season don't get that great of a benefit, becauseEVERYONE gets to play in playoffs? Why not just have playoffs in the first place then based off of last season lol.. In regular PL finals there are only 4 teams in play-offs, I think it should be the same way here but tournament style due to there being 2 divisions. So, E1 vs W2, W1 vs E2, winner vs winner = finals.

The system Crunchums last suggested (not Zepish) both UCSD and TZH have the same path, and UCSD does not necessarily have a worse record than TZH anyways (UCCS dropped out remember? Might as well have been 3-1 for UCSD). Plus, if you have been following Proleague for the last 2 years or so, you'd know that its top 6 teams out of 10 advance, not 4.

Your first point is irrelevant because I was responding the suggestion above mine. You're right about PL though, I can't believe I miscounted like that lol that is shameful. I can see it being 6 teams, I just find the 4-team system 1. easier, 2. faster, 3. more fair due to the difference in league size, 4. more appropriate to a season-based league with so few teams. EDIT: The third place teams in both leagues don't even have winning records o__O;
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Murderotica
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Vatican City State2594 Posts
May 30 2011 21:30 GMT
#377
On May 31 2011 06:28 Crunchums wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 31 2011 06:22 l10f wrote:
On May 31 2011 06:10 ArvickHero wrote:
On May 31 2011 03:32 Murderotica wrote:
In that system UCSD gets an easier path despite having a worse record than TZH, and it basically means that the entire season was just for position not for any sort of elimination which I think is rubbish. As in, the people who were more successful during the season don't get that great of a benefit, becauseEVERYONE gets to play in playoffs? Why not just have playoffs in the first place then based off of last season lol.. In regular PL finals there are only 4 teams in play-offs, I think it should be the same way here but tournament style due to there being 2 divisions. So, E1 vs W2, W1 vs E2, winner vs winner = finals.

The system Crunchums last suggested (not Zepish) both UCSD and TZH have the same path, and UCSD does not necessarily have a worse record than TZH anyways (UCCS dropped out remember? Might as well have been 3-1 for UCSD). Plus, if you have been following Proleague for the last 2 years or so, you'd know that its top 6 teams out of 10 advance, not 4.


That point aside, I think it's silly to have a playoff where every team participates, like Murderotica said. E1 vs W2, W1 vs E2 please.

that works too... but MIT and Rutgers still need to finish their match >__>

He said it will be happening sometime this week.
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hacklebeast
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5090 Posts
May 30 2011 21:30 GMT
#378
I understand why you want a 4 team playoffs, but why do you want a crossing of east and west?
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Murderotica
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Vatican City State2594 Posts
May 30 2011 21:35 GMT
#379
On May 31 2011 06:30 hacklebeast wrote:
I understand why you want a 4 team playoffs, but why do you want a crossing of east and west?

Because it makes more sense to give E2 and W2 an opportunity to play against someone other than E1 and W1 respectfully for the semi-finals, because more likely than not they are the teams that they lost to and losing twice to the same team to get knocked out of a league is lame. There is the chance that say E2 is better than W1, and then E2 will earn a finals position from beating the best team in W - meaning a better finals, because the stronger team advances. Imagine if you don't cross E and W, and E2 is > W1, but they get knocked out by E1 and then E1 vs W1 is a blow-out rape. That's not fun. The possibility of that happening in either direction (either W2 > E1 or E2 > W1) is too good to miss. Also, playing against diff. teams is more fun anyway n_n;
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ammeL
Profile Joined August 2009
United States211 Posts
May 30 2011 21:58 GMT
#380
As for the RU vs MIT match, it's been scheduled for June 6th, Monday @ 2pm. (well, it's not confirmed yet, because my opponent has to reply to me -- but he said is only available on Mondays and Tuesdays from 12-5pm. So, I assume he will accept the june 6th time)


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