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Orome
Profile Blog Joined June 2004
Switzerland11984 Posts
September 11 2004 04:30 GMT
#101
I'll bet anything, their will be a new bad race, and the 3 original ones will unite themselves to fight this fourth one...
On a purely personal note, I'd like to show Yellow the beauty of infinitely repeating Starcraft 2 bunkers. -Boxer
MannerLess_
Profile Joined November 2003
Brazil535 Posts
September 11 2004 04:33 GMT
#102
On September 11 2004 13:30 Orome wrote:
I'll bet anything, their will be a new bad race, and the 3 original ones will unite themselves to fight this fourth one...


...you might wanna add that will ruin the game's balance as well.
ur hed got smashed by ur moms dik lololol
_GniL_
Profile Joined August 2004
Canada66 Posts
September 11 2004 04:34 GMT
#103
This looks like a job for Hovz


-sets up hovz signal set them straight!-
ZZZnachor
Profile Joined October 2003
Poland200 Posts
September 11 2004 04:35 GMT
#104
On September 11 2004 12:21 Frits wrote:
ROFL, an strategy game without a mouse isn't doable, especially if it involves so much speed like Starcraft.


There will be auto-clicking.
Meta
Profile Blog Joined June 2003
United States6225 Posts
September 11 2004 04:39 GMT
#105
in regards to the 3d movment aspect, i think the only thing this would effect is map-balancing.
also on the map aspect:
blizzard should make every map "LT level" and nothing bigger than 192x192, if that.
good vibes only
XvObiVx
Profile Joined July 2004
United States21 Posts
September 11 2004 04:44 GMT
#106
I don't want a SC2. SC: BW is awesome.
Frits
Profile Joined March 2003
11782 Posts
September 11 2004 05:18 GMT
#107
Just sharing my sc visions:

-Obviously it's gonna be 3d. But i REALLY hope the height differences are gonna be the same like cliffs in lt etc... In wc3 height serves like almost no strategic value at all. And the overal height system sucks ass.

-New unique race, ok in wc3 human and orc aren't different enough at all, but this was just the same in wc2. They should add a new race, it'll take A LOT of thinking through etc, but it would be sooo much cooler, i mean if they would only do just new graphics in sc2 and nothing more. Starcraft WILL get boring eventually. Refreshment would be nice, especially for the non-progamers who are obviously a minority. Look at wc3, it's pretty balanced, and blizzard won't stop working until it reaches total balance, it's not IMPOSSIBLE. There isn't like 1 race that is used by everyone much more, and if you've seen the story line of sc, you know a new race is coming.

-System specs, look we obviously can't be using a pentium 1 or something forever. The specs should be a little higher then wc3. You don't want sc2 to score a 4 for graphics in every magazine? And i won't mind buying a good comp, you can't let that go for quality of the game. Good graphics but being able to see a lot of units at the same time is essential. 200 limit at least, 300 or 400 would be nice.

-For gods sake, keep the pace. And unit physics. 2 lurker shots should kill a marine, but a marine should run very fast when it's stimmed. Vulture's should be fast. Keep everything fast and low on hp. Big army's is what's sc is about.

-no heroes, no experience, no autocasting on super-awesome spells, duh. Heal is autocast, the rest not, and i like how if you cast storm with 12 temps selected, they all cast the storm. But in wc3 only 1 would cast that spell. I mean, the 1 second 8 lockdowns wouldn't mean shit anymore then. =[

-platform, there's no need to even start about this, you can't even get on the site or know about starcraft with an pc. The speed and graphics just suck on consoles. (ok the xbox graphics are nice tho)

OK i think i covered the things important to make sc2 awesome.
Meta
Profile Blog Joined June 2003
United States6225 Posts
September 11 2004 05:25 GMT
#108
heal is not the only autocast, Frits. infest command center is as well ^__-
good vibes only
IntoTheWow
Profile Blog Joined May 2004
is awesome32274 Posts
September 11 2004 05:37 GMT
#109
Frits w3 is not totally well balanced...they could get a new race in... but if the have a balanced game through years why not take that balance and implement it in the new game? ;D
Moderator<:3-/-<
Ebenol
Profile Joined May 2003
Sweden1983 Posts
September 11 2004 05:44 GMT
#110
On September 11 2004 13:20 SoleSteeler wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 11 2004 12:02 0wNaG3- wrote:
I remember when I first baught WC3 the 3rd day it was released. Got bored of it in 3 weeks and havent played it since then. However, a month ago, I was at a friends house who had WC3, but no starcraft, so i played a game for fun. I was orc he was undead, and level 6. With my micro/macro I overpowered him, killing his entire army numerous times. Everytime he countered me he would say "No way are u noob, look how fast u rebuild ur army".( I was MACROING!!! :O ) In the end his giant beatle hero thing killed my entire army, cause it was like level 9. He had gone a "creeped" the entire map, something I hadnt done. I had also expoed a couple of times, but there was nothing I could do against his gay hero. My orcs and shit were even upped to the max. But the conclusion is, I nearly beat a lvl 6 player cause I knew the concept of macro (U cant really micro in wc3). WC3 is just an easier and crappier version of starcraft.

The only micro u can do in wc3, is like zealot vrs zealot micro.


you can't level a hero past level 5 from creeping, so he got to level 9 from killing your units =/
Wasn't that added in TFT?
STIMEY d okgm fish
Profile Joined August 2003
Canada6140 Posts
September 11 2004 05:45 GMT
#111
frits please dont compare war3's struggle to become balanced with sc's or bw's. the situation is not parallel. bw has made 1 severely major patch (by sc standards), which pales in comparison to the regular patches of war3 and tft. they aren't just patching war3/tft; by sc standards, they are completely overhauling it, REGULARLY exceeding the MOST SEVERE PATCH IN BW HISTORY and they still are left with an inferior game time and time again. sc was better out of the box (barring bug abuses) than bw was (bw needed a major patch and major changes in which maps people played), and sc+bw+war2 all are more playable out of the box than war3 and tft have EVER been at this point after handfulls of massive overhauls.
Ack1027
Profile Blog Joined January 2004
United States7873 Posts
September 11 2004 05:54 GMT
#112
On September 11 2004 09:33 pooper-scooper wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 11 2004 08:45 Abyss_Bahamut wrote:
This is what I think should happen:

We need one representative or a few that are famous [ Progamers, rekrul, leg, someone famous in our community with cred ]

We need a list of what we ALL agree on. As impossible as it sounds, this list has already been started.

The true craft fans who've been playing since day one and visit this forum want:
Keep the same 2D Graphics format.

An expansion will be just as great as another game if not BETTER because it's nearly impossible to re-create what happened with Starcraft and Broodwar. By just creating an expansion we will have a higher chance of remaking that glory.

Continue the story on the plot it's been going, don't put in bs twists and fuck up the godly single player.

No fucking heroes. Because we know they could work but I don't think any of us wanna give Blizzard chances after the heroes in WC3. We want the BEST chances possible to recreate BW.

No fucking items, and so many upgrades for EVERY unit, when I play wc3 it's like playing diablo with every fucking unit including peons, wtf is that.

One new race max assuming you create SC2, 3 new races or some other absurd number would make ZERO sense. The only considerable races are Xel'Naga or the new race implied by Duran. Xel'Naga would be hard as hell to make original though considering they are an advanced Protoss. They'd cost way too much and the ' ladder ' between the other races would be too wide. Think about it, Xel'Nagas first unit would probably only be defeated by 2 zeals or 6 rines or 7-8 lings. Duran's race seems most appropriate.

We DON'T want wc3, do not look at it or even look at the few succesess you had with wc3. Sc is sc, remember, not warcraft in space.

We all want an RTS. We do NOT want a fusion of RTS FPS MMORPG

Point out the sc scene in Korea, educate them, do you really think that by changing the game like you did to wc3 that sc will still continue to exist? People LIVE off sc, you're doing something right, keep it that way.

HARD COUNTERS, I cannot stress this enough, and I'm sure the majority of the community backs me. WE WANT A HARD GAME, DON'T PUSSIFY WITH SOFT COUNTERS.


Generic things like these I think we all agree on and we need to present it RIGHT and with AUTHORITY.


You make an online petition, and I'll sign it... not that it worked when that shitty patch came out on April fools day.


At least one person agrees with me - _-;

Petition is not a bad idea though.
Frits
Profile Joined March 2003
11782 Posts
September 11 2004 06:12 GMT
#113
On September 11 2004 14:45 STIMEY d okgm fish wrote:
frits please dont compare war3's struggle to become balanced with sc's or bw's. the situation is not parallel. bw has made 1 severely major patch (by sc standards), which pales in comparison to the regular patches of war3 and tft. they aren't just patching war3/tft; by sc standards, they are completely overhauling it, REGULARLY exceeding the MOST SEVERE PATCH IN BW HISTORY and they still are left with an inferior game time and time again. sc was better out of the box (barring bug abuses) than bw was (bw needed a major patch and major changes in which maps people played), and sc+bw+war2 all are more playable out of the box than war3 and tft have EVER been at this point after handfulls of massive overhauls.


Yeah, obviously it's much harder to balance. But what else do you want. Blizzard WILL include a new race, and blizzard WILL patch it a lot, nothing really much to do about this. Eventually it will be ok. I don't see any MAJOR imbalances @ wc3. I wouldn't call the patches massive overhauls. Blizzard is doing a great job, they should've released the game a little later for balancing, but now they are letting the community balance it which will go much faster, and this way we can make the game balanced. And just look at blizzard's last patch and upcoming, 3 new heroes and balance changes. If there's 1 company that can do it it's blizzard. I just hope the game is gonna be great.
Frits
Profile Joined March 2003
11782 Posts
September 11 2004 06:14 GMT
#114
On September 11 2004 14:44 Ebenol wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 11 2004 13:20 SoleSteeler wrote:
On September 11 2004 12:02 0wNaG3- wrote:
I remember when I first baught WC3 the 3rd day it was released. Got bored of it in 3 weeks and havent played it since then. However, a month ago, I was at a friends house who had WC3, but no starcraft, so i played a game for fun. I was orc he was undead, and level 6. With my micro/macro I overpowered him, killing his entire army numerous times. Everytime he countered me he would say "No way are u noob, look how fast u rebuild ur army".( I was MACROING!!! :O ) In the end his giant beatle hero thing killed my entire army, cause it was like level 9. He had gone a "creeped" the entire map, something I hadnt done. I had also expoed a couple of times, but there was nothing I could do against his gay hero. My orcs and shit were even upped to the max. But the conclusion is, I nearly beat a lvl 6 player cause I knew the concept of macro (U cant really micro in wc3). WC3 is just an easier and crappier version of starcraft.

The only micro u can do in wc3, is like zealot vrs zealot micro.


you can't level a hero past level 5 from creeping, so he got to level 9 from killing your units =/
Wasn't that added in TFT?


It sure was. :-)
NotSorry
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States6722 Posts
September 11 2004 06:18 GMT
#115
I personally don't really want SC2, I don't think they could do as good a job, they will probably throw it into 3d with cartoon graphics which will also make mass unit control nearly impossible. Then again if anyone could find a perfect mix, it is Blizzard, we will just have to wait and see in 5years....
We have now sunk to a depth at which restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men. - Orwell
Chris307
Profile Joined June 2004
3095 Posts
September 11 2004 06:19 GMT
#116
I think every single one of you should emphasize in ALL of your posts that above all, we do not want a game like WC3 and they should not accept advice from WC3 fans regarding Starcraft.

Try not to be too malicious, though. We all know WC3 players are fucking clueless and retarded when it comes to competitive RTS but it's really difficult to make somebody else understand this fact, and you'll just come off in a very bad way to the Blizzard staff.
PUSH DICE CUP BACK AND I SHOOT CRAP
radiaL
Profile Joined August 2003
Andorra2690 Posts
September 11 2004 06:39 GMT
#117
there is one thing from warcraft3 that HAS to be implemented in SC:2.

alt+G.
sideproject: twitch.tv Starcraft II Viewers data - http://twitchsc2data.com/
tfeign
Profile Joined June 2004
United States2980 Posts
September 11 2004 06:49 GMT
#118
On September 11 2004 15:39 radiaL wrote:
there is one thing from warcraft3 that HAS to be implemented in SC:2.

alt+G.


Yes. That just HAS to be implemented in SC2. And Abyss_Bahamut pretty much summed it up well.
aseq
Profile Joined January 2003
Netherlands3977 Posts
September 11 2004 07:37 GMT
#119
WC3 is of course mostly balanced cos all 4 races are very similar. All have the same type of units, only different stats, names, etc. 1 basic melee, 1 basic ranges, 2 casters, 1 anticaster, 1 heavy melee, 1 support ranged, 2 towers, 2 flyers.

It of course has to come out on PC. one idea i had for awhile is to make it run from bootable CD, so there is no windows, it loads all the drivers for hardware, so you can have an uber-beatiful game. Not sure if everybody would like to reboot tho, i'd like to see how much it matters.

I really don't see why it has to be 3d. To be honest, i prefer sc gfx over w3 gfx, since 2d is just so much clearer. They could use some 3d stuff tho, but mainly use top-down sprites (maybe a bit like ikaruga?).
Orlandu
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
China2450 Posts
September 11 2004 08:40 GMT
#120
On September 11 2004 10:53 SoleSteeler wrote:
i just wanna ask you war3 haters something, if the game is so dumbed down and newbified, what seperates the good players from the best players?

it's not racial imbalance, that's actually pretty good (within about 2-3% differences)

it's not luck, anyone says you can win war3 on 'item luck' is stupid and hasn't played the game since they changed the drop tables (over a year ago)

=/

for the record, i don't want heroes, upkeep, smaller armies, creeps, shops, mercenaries in SC2

but to call war3 a newbie game at all is quite ignorant, why dont' you just go to korea and become a pro-war3 gamer and make tons of money then? =p





It's like anything in life, when you don't know about something, often times ignorance and prejudice is formed. It's very easy to see who has played WarCraft 3 for real, and who hasn't, just by simple statements made. It's frustrating, but shouldn't be taken too seriously as those that DO share their ignorance and prejudice for the game really aren't having any effect on the community so there's no harm done to anyone but themselves. But I'm sure you know that, I'm just discussing it with you.

But I too would much rather see SC2 more like SC and without War3 elements. Sure, I defend War3 all the time, but it's not because I feel the game is better than SC. I just defend it because some of the things that are said about it are just down-right ignorant and people to this day still don't understand how complex and different the two games really are. War3 is a great game, well fit for high-level competition, but I still enjoy SC more, and would much rather see a true StarCraft sequel than a game that Blizzard thinks would be cool or fun.

Even if most of you are incredibly biased and uneducated on the subject of War3, for this purpose I hope your hatred is taken into consideration, because if it isn't, theres a very good chance Blizzard will try to merge the best of both worlds, and instead of seeing a true sequel, we'll see yet again a totally different game, and while the game may be great in it's own ways, I think it's quite clear that everyone wants a true SC sequel, not a new game.
We cant give up just because things arent the way we want them to be.
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