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ParasitJonte
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gravity
Australia2330 Posts
On September 16 2004 00:52 ParasitJonte wrote: I don't think multiple building selecion is good for the same reasons already given above. I am just an average gamer but I don't think it would be fair cause this change would benefit me way more than any skilled gamer, that is the gap would decrease just because I don't have to do the same amount of tasks in a certain time like before. I think it would actually increase the skill, as most people can click gateways fast with enough practice (not as fast as Nada or whatever, but fast enough), but not everyone can have the great sense of timing or creativity or anticipation of the opponent that the best players have, and with multiple building selection these qualities would have more room to shine through, at least in the late game. | ||
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x2fst
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Liquid`Jinro
Sweden33719 Posts
On September 16 2004 04:35 gravity wrote: I think it would actually increase the skill, as most people can click gateways fast with enough practice (not as fast as Nada or whatever, but fast enough), but not everyone can have the great sense of timing or creativity or anticipation of the opponent that the best players have, and with multiple building selection these qualities would have more room to shine through, at least in the late game. AREDASD*atf13yt74 No you can't macro like reach or nada. Not even close, I mean seriously. Lightyears apart. Reach can control 3 groups of units while setting rally points to his army and making units out of his gateways. If all you had to do was click 4 z 5 d 6 t and you'd get 5 of each unit would you find that impressive?? No? SEE? It would be ARTIFICAL SHINE! As it is now, only the great players can shine -- | ||
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Geval
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On September 16 2004 04:35 gravity wrote: I think it would actually increase the skill, as most people can click gateways fast with enough practice (not as fast as Nada or whatever, but fast enough), but not everyone can have the great sense of timing or creativity or anticipation of the opponent that the best players have, and with multiple building selection these qualities would have more room to shine through, at least in the late game. I dont think that make sense either. Bc right now you have to focus on "click gateways fast" AND "the great sense of timing or creativity or anticipation of the opponent". Not just "click gateways fast" | ||
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A3iL3r0n
United States2196 Posts
On September 16 2004 04:35 gravity wrote: I think it would actually increase the skill, as most people can click gateways fast with enough practice (not as fast as Nada or whatever, but fast enough), but not everyone can have the great sense of timing or creativity or anticipation of the opponent that the best players have, and with multiple building selection these qualities would have more room to shine through, at least in the late game. The point of any game is for skill to decide the outcome. What you're talking about, the top pros can do. Why give that ability to every player, it would be boring. When you (meaning everybody) think of a suggestion that diminishes what the top players can accomplish, it's not a good suggestion. | ||
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gravity
Australia2330 Posts
On September 16 2004 08:55 FrozenArbiter wrote: AREDASD*atf13yt74 No you can't macro like reach or nada. Not even close, I mean seriously. Lightyears apart. Reach can control 3 groups of units while setting rally points to his army and making units out of his gateways. If all you had to do was click 4 z 5 d 6 t and you'd get 5 of each unit would you find that impressive?? No? SEE? It would be ARTIFICAL SHINE! As it is now, only the great players can shine -- I never said I was anywhere near Nada's macro, just that it's easier to approach high levels players in terms of macro than it is to do it in the more subtle aspects of the game. As for impressiveness, would have more time for even more impressive stuff. The overall level would be moved up. I seriously fail to see how artificially worsening the interface makes an RTS game better. After all, if there was no unit queueing or production hotkeys then good macro would be even more impressive, but that doesn't mean that taking away unit queueing or hotkeys would make the game better. Sure, fast-clicking is important, but this won't change that, it will just result in clicks being redirected, since even with easy macro you can't be doing too many things at once in SC, in the late game (unlike WC3). | ||
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gravity
Australia2330 Posts
On September 16 2004 09:55 A3iL3r0n wrote: The point of any game is for skill to decide the outcome. What you're talking about, the top pros can do. Why give that ability to every player, it would be boring. When you (meaning everybody) think of a suggestion that diminishes what the top players can accomplish, it's not a good suggestion. The game should be about fast-thinking more than fast clicking in my opinion, at least as far as possible while still giving people full control (ie not making the unit AI too autonomous). If that means some current pros will stop being good and others will rise up, then so be it; I think the game will be better for it, in the long term. After all, most people love Boxer's creativity, and that style of play would be more effective in modern times if it was a bit easier for him to keep up with macro (which iirc is his main weakness), so we would see creative players succeed more and the game become more interesting. | ||
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Liquid`Jinro
Sweden33719 Posts
"It's not stupid, it's advaaaaaaaaanceeeeed" said in a semi highpitched voice  You seriously don't see how this would impact brood war??? You would remove half of all playstyles out there.. You'd ONLY see players like boxer, yellow, gundam. Not a single nada, xellos, oov, junwi or starcraft_side. SERIOUSLY IT IS DUMB AS FUCK, it makes the skill cap MUCH LOWER. Doing the stuff the pros do now 'but better and even more impressive' wouldn't be impressive at all because they have all the time in the world!! I can't explain it to you if you don't see why this would be awful.. And btw you do realize that you just said the game would be easier for boxer? Hello? It's like we'd add in a trampoline for all short people in the high jump. "It would make for more spectacular jumps, sorry the tall people can't use it". Btw, it is not fast clicking that makes macro good (then you wouldn't see all these 100 apm tosses with awesome macro!) It is the ability to MULTITASK. | ||
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