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Pj vs Nada neogamei game
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linyu)wufan18
1198 Posts
great PvT | ||
Klogon
MURICA15980 Posts
I take that back. (It's fixed) | ||
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Michael_H
Israel117 Posts
he have 35 losses in neogamei. i think that it is too much for a ProGamer | ||
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hasuwar
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Born)Slippy
Norway1904 Posts
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feverinlove
United States49 Posts
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pdk001
Korea (South)922 Posts
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Muhweli
Finland5328 Posts
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SoL.Origin
Argentina2400 Posts
still a great game though | ||
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hasuwar
7365 Posts
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tfeign
United States2980 Posts
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feverinlove
United States49 Posts
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hasuwar
7365 Posts
 That terran rolled out with a bazillion tanks at the end, maybe that's how he was mistaken for nada. Had pretty good macro too | ||
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pdk001
Korea (South)922 Posts
he is one of best gamers outside of korea Good Game | ||
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hasuwar
7365 Posts
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Twisted
Netherlands13554 Posts
Macro isn't about making 30 gates, it's about spending your money right. | ||
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hasuwar
7365 Posts
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jtan
Sweden5891 Posts
If pJ had gone to his bottomright island with those carriers he might have held a draw or even win since the most resorces still was there. Remember that draw game with Hellghost and nazgul? | ||
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collegeBored
United States1524 Posts
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SoL.Origin
Argentina2400 Posts
On July 05 2004 05:43 jtan wrote: Awesome game=) If pJ had gone to his bottomright island with those carriers he might have held a draw or even win since the most resorces still was there. Remember that draw game with Hellghost and nazgul? the terran still had 3 exps running... also, pj had poor macro, over 4k minerals/gas for a long ass time while terran rarely (if ever) had over 1.5k | ||
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nortydog
Australia3067 Posts
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Liquid`Drone
Norway28673 Posts
 poor macro? hell no. | ||
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jtan
Sweden5891 Posts
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jtan
Sweden5891 Posts
+its really easy to defend an island with ~8 carriers and 14 photons | ||
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nortydog
Australia3067 Posts
On July 05 2004 06:08 Liquid`Drone wrote: I agreethe fuck are you guys talking about? this game rocked and so did both players. poor macro? hell no. | ||
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nortydog
Australia3067 Posts
On July 05 2004 06:10 jtan wrote: In situations like that its hard to make the right decisions, and I dont think he knew the other ground bases were mined out ><Yeah 3 exp for T maybee, but still more money on island right? +its really easy to defend an island with ~8 carriers and 14 photons | ||
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longer_23
China299 Posts
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nortydog
Australia3067 Posts
On July 05 2004 06:21 longer_23 wrote: Thats what I was saying to my friend when we where watching the replay just then, if the supply cap was rasied to about 250 it would balance the M/U more by making turtling terrans have something to move out of thier base for, it would force them to fight because the Protoss could possibly out-mass them, but that will never happen ><a very playerful game. pj tried to win by ground troops and abiter only but terran macro and held on too well. population cap is really anti-protoss. the only way for pj to spend his excessive money was too mass stargate but he didnt do it when he could afford to. | ||
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hasuwar
7365 Posts
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Pafnucy
Poland1124 Posts
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TanGo
Sweden1019 Posts
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nortydog
Australia3067 Posts
On July 05 2004 06:32 hasuwar wrote: Nice idea but it wouldent go mainstream, and you would have to regroup/hotkey the hero unitsmake a map that if a player hits 200 supply, all his units turn into hero versions (with regular unit stats) | ||
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jtan
Sweden5891 Posts
On July 05 2004 06:13 NoRTyDoG wrote: In situations like that its hard to make the right decisions, and I dont think he knew the other ground bases were mined out >< Agreed..its hard as hell making right decisions in fucked up situations | ||
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chicken`
Germany3478 Posts
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Liquid`Jinro
Sweden33719 Posts
On July 05 2004 05:24 hasuwar wrote: No he didn't, his money was over like 4k, and he had less gates than the terran with like 5 bases lol, yeah he spent it right alright, that's why he got butt raped :[ He had limit, he had like 15-20 gates ._. | ||
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cje
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Liquid`Nazgul
22427 Posts
but I guess not everyone understands that *cough* hasuwar | ||
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Liquid`Drone
Norway28673 Posts
I found it hilarious when pj pulled a madcow though. :D | ||
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Liquid`Nazgul
22427 Posts
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Liquid`Jinro
Sweden33719 Posts
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Liquid`Nazgul
22427 Posts
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Liquid`Drone
Norway28673 Posts
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Liquid`Jinro
Sweden33719 Posts
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jtan
Sweden5891 Posts
On July 05 2004 08:29 Liquid`Drone wrote: pulling a madcow = recalling into a minefield and losing all your units :D Ahhhhh! Thats what happened. I suddenly saw like 7 goons dead...no tanks nearby...fresh blue goonblood. Like..wtf? | ||
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Liquid`Drone
Norway28673 Posts
unlike madcow. :D | ||
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hasuwar
7365 Posts
T goes fast tank/2vult drop, Pj loses not a single probe I don't think. Pj expands, T expands. Pj attacks T expo, and forces it to lift and go hide on ramp. Pj expands again. 4 fac to 4 gate. T gets like 6 probes, losing 8 vultures. T kills 3 or 4 goons, loses 6 vults. T throws away 5 more vultures. P harasses with zealots in a shuttles and gets like 5 scvs or so mething, then expands again. T has 7 facts, P has 4 gates. 2 terran bases (1 not even mining gas) vs 3 protoss going on 4 soon. P attacks, kills terran's main little force, lets his minerals go to 1k, and loses the rest of his units to new units the T popped out. P finally gets 3 more gates started, but now, even though P has 4 bases, and they just traded units, T has more =to the protoss. Why is that? oh yeah, he can't macro. T does some harass and gets 5 probes for 4 v ultures, and they still have same supply. T wastes another like 8 vultures killing nothing, and P expands to corner. 10 supply difference. Someone has to explain to me how a 4 going on 5 base toss barely keeps up with a 2 base terran, because I "cough" don't get it, you dumb asses. at 18:30 he gets his 11th gate up, has 6 bases, and the supplies are 118T/148P.. 6 bases vs 3, he had huge huge huge advantage, T threw away soo many vults doing dick for damage, not to mention his initial drop opening failed without killing a SINGLE unit.. I mean, this was an impossible game to lose, but he was always sooo slow on units that he got drilled by a 2 base terran while he had like 4 bases and 4 gateways, when he knew the T was going mass unit with 7 fac Yeah, great come back for T..but i wouldn't say it was the T's over whelming skill that did it, more of the protosses weak play. I don't find those types of games impressive. Not to take away from the T, because he did have really nice macro. | ||
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Liquid`Drone
Norway28673 Posts
no, pj did not play perfect. he allowed blueeyes to take 3, which he *could* have prevented. but his macro was not the reason why he lost. :-) | ||
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Refrain[FriZ]
Canada4337 Posts
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iloveStar
United States517 Posts
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IcedEarth
United States3661 Posts
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Hot_Bid
Braavos36375 Posts
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SoMuchBetter
Australia10606 Posts
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MaTRiX[SiN]
Sweden1282 Posts
On July 05 2004 08:50 Liquid`Drone wrote: I think the only reason why you found his macro bad is your own lack of understanding of brood war. no, pj did not play perfect. he allowed blueeyes to take 3, which he *could* have prevented. but his macro was not the reason why he lost. :-) well it depends on how u define macro i think...either macro=spending ur money well or macro=getting most possible units..pj got alot of xpo's fast + cannoned them and made probes non stop from all nexuses as well as getting tech buildings and stuff so he got low on gateways/units..if he had xpo'd a little less and got more gateways i think he could've overwhelmed the terran early on wich some1 would call macroing better... | ||
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SoMuchBetter
Australia10606 Posts
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cje
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SChasu
United States1505 Posts
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Pafnucy
Poland1124 Posts
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taeWook
United States1367 Posts
stop critcizing you fools. | ||
Liquid`Ret
Netherlands4511 Posts
3 o clock was key in this game, pj could have seen it coming and acted accordingly or something. ( It was really T's only option to stay in the game) =) | ||
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kornu
40 Posts
i also think that to make the game more balanced, toss should be given invisible lurkers that shoot without burrowing, corsairs should fire nukes and all the units have to be invulnerable. oh, and cost less. and have a michael jackson unit to harass marines. | ||
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ulti
Germany136 Posts
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t3h.sWaRm
United States202 Posts
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OcToBeR_ToSs
United States18 Posts
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iamimat
Canada367 Posts
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Twisted
Netherlands13554 Posts
your lack of understanding bw is astounding | ||
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MaTRiX[SiN]
Sweden1282 Posts
On July 05 2004 10:49 iamimat wrote: Macro is not about spending money, its about spending money correctly. I can't stress this enough, if you have 1500 and 0 gas, but you need tanks, you don't invest your resource into vultures. what do u do then? xpo all over the map without defence? get turrets? let ur minerals build up cause u like seeing when it passes over 10k? | ||
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cje
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x[ReaPeR]x
United States3447 Posts
Pj lost because he let Terran get 3 and didn't get carriers in time. Macro had nothing to do with it. Terran isn't NaDa though. Still though this game kicked ass. 9/10 | ||
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goldrush
Canada709 Posts
On July 05 2004 10:49 iamimat wrote: Macro is not about spending money, its about spending money correctly. I can't stress this enough, if you have 1500 and 0 gas, but you need tanks, you don't invest your resource into vultures. some vultures > no tanks | ||
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SoL.Origin
Argentina2400 Posts
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IntoTheClanWar
141 Posts
PJ didnt lose cause of macro.. i think his unit control could have been better.. ( especially at the beginning when he lost the middle battles ) and the most important thing, 1 stargate isnt enough especially if u only build an arbiter in it ( sarcasm ) carriers came kinda too late.. and the last thing.. i mean the terran was really strong.. and if u ask me.. it COULD be nada.. THOUGH he lost so many vults at the beginning, doing nearly no damage .. he simpley powered tanks like a fucking crazy freak.. he COULD BE .. Nada but if he isnt.. it's a real good terran .. | ||
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IntoTheClanWar
141 Posts
wow.. | ||
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Anonymous
Vietnam76 Posts
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o3h
Sweden2 Posts
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Liquid`Drone
Norway28673 Posts
his lack of gateways early on was due to him having killed so many units while hardly losing any himself that he could expand freely without having to make more gates.. later on he added enough gates, on a temple game there's never a use for 40, no matter how much cash you have. | ||
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Twisted
Netherlands13554 Posts
On July 05 2004 12:21 o3h wrote: Daaman used an account one "yerBlueeyes*, not saying anything... could be him? It was yerblues don't think it was daaman but I'll check, there's something daaman does in every game and it's only something he does with hotkeys edit: nope it ain't him | ||
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MoooN
Germany402 Posts
both players had a macro that is better than 95% of the posters here so ... stfu? | ||
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IntoTheClanWar
141 Posts
On July 05 2004 12:42 MoooN wrote: what du u all talk about poor macro ? both players had a macro that is better than 95% of the posters here so ... stfu? Dont you know ? They compare all the gamer's macro in replays to hovz insane macro.. No you know betta ? -.-v | ||
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o3h
Sweden2 Posts
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MoooN
Germany402 Posts
what has he ever won aside of one wgt season... ( i think everybody can remember the jump from 1.. to 3.. apm ;d ) | ||
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User_2
Russian Federation1020 Posts
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Jandos
Czech Republic928 Posts
And this wasnt NaDa right ? | ||
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eAmYo
Germany194 Posts
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Twisted
Netherlands13554 Posts
that means, he hasn't won a wgt season. | ||
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Sadterran
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lastas
Sweden1219 Posts
On July 05 2004 16:06 Sadterran wrote: that not nada lol... oh lol it is... | ||
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linyu)wufan18
1198 Posts
yes,I think Pj should win this game,When he wanted make carrier earlier,I said:don't make it,practise macro with zealot and Dragoon this game is really nice.Nada did not make any mistake in the last 20 min. | ||
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linyu)wufan18
1198 Posts
hehe | ||
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Gryffindor_us
United States5606 Posts
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Hoops
417 Posts
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Liquid`Drone
Norway28673 Posts
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SoL.Origin
Argentina2400 Posts
On July 05 2004 17:53 Hoops wrote: Does a progamer have to try to win every game with normal strats? Maybe nada likes to try goofy shit, or pull a yellow and forfit 2 workers at the start of the game people usually want to win... and aside of that, is he gonna just ignore his years of experience? | ||
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Gryffindor_us
United States5606 Posts
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karelen
Sweden2407 Posts
so my conclusion is that this is not nada, or if this is nada its his "fooling-around-trying-crazy-strats" account | ||
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Ilintar
Poland794 Posts
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longer_23
China299 Posts
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TLKiD
China1136 Posts
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88)Krakatau
Brazil39 Posts
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Million
United States559 Posts
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pdk001
Korea (South)922 Posts
On July 05 2004 17:40 linyu)wufan18 wrote: Guys,the Terran is 100% Nada.they are good friend,so Nada told Pj his gamei id.They played 4 game at gamei.the result is 2:2. yes,I think Pj should win this game,When he wanted make carrier earlier,I said:don't make it,practise macro with zealot and Dragoon this game is really nice.Nada did not make any mistake in the last 20 min. they played 2times chekc here http://www.neogamei.net/player.php?player_id=34675 and nada is doing 58-35-2? | ||
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TLKiD
China1136 Posts
On July 05 2004 06:04 SoL.Origin wrote: the terran still had 3 exps running... also, pj had poor macro, over 4k minerals/gas for a long ass time while terran rarely (if ever) had over 1.5k he had like 5 exp running... did u count the islands? | ||
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lefty
United States1896 Posts
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nArAnjO
Peru2571 Posts
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hitchhiker
Portugal337 Posts
recall over spider mines  | ||
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Elsi
United Kingdom8173 Posts
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l2obot
United States108 Posts
On July 05 2004 21:41 Million wrote: Very good game, but I don't get one thing, why didn't PJ attack NaDa's main when NaDa put all his gols around temple? All of NaDa's production is at his main, if PJ can wipe out even half of the facts he might not have lost since he cripples the terran production capabilities... Wow... this was exactly what I was thinking. | ||
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Beast_Bg
Bulgaria1623 Posts
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Pafnucy
Poland1124 Posts
On July 06 2004 04:56 Beast_Bg wrote: What's so good about Pj?I mean .. not that he's bad ,but .. Art of PvT?Naah.. he got lots of win reps uploaded besides being a good player or one of top players. | ||
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IntoTheClanWar
141 Posts
Expected something else specially from Twisted.. And you must know i dont like hovz that much.. had many flames with him so on.. ._. | ||
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Twisted
Netherlands13554 Posts
On July 05 2004 13:46 MoooN wrote: so ... hovz... what has he ever won aside of one wgt season... ( i think everybody can remember the jump from 1.. to 3.. apm ;d ) I was responding to this post, not yours. | ||
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BlazeD
Canada236 Posts
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Dirk
United States1339 Posts
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Hot_Bid
Braavos36375 Posts
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Destroyer
Czech Republic932 Posts
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