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SonGDuri
Defy 
trOthungrySmileJoJoBaHamilhave all decided to leave progaming (whether it was personal or military reasons).
Not that anyone cares but... might as well archive it somewhere.
Progamer Retirements 9/16/10
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GTR
51607 Posts
SonGDuriDefy trOthungrySmileJoJoBaHamilhave all decided to leave progaming (whether it was personal or military reasons). Not that anyone cares but... might as well archive it somewhere. | ||
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moopie
12605 Posts
rofl. Yeah pretty insignificant list. | ||
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Crunchums
United States11144 Posts
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Pioneer
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NrG.NeverExpo
Canada2114 Posts
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Lebesgue
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ToeJam
United States282 Posts
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Ideas
United States8171 Posts
JoJoBa was going to be the next jaedong too :\ | ||
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Kralic
Canada2628 Posts
SonGDuri had to Defy going hungry so he just gave a great big Smile and took a quick trOt down the road to see his good friends Hamil and JoJoBa. | ||
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integral
United States3161 Posts
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vectorix108
United States4633 Posts
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er.misrah
United States55 Posts
On September 16 2010 12:58 integral wrote: I remember smile because he eliminated idra from spring 2009 osl same hehe  | ||
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seRapH
United States9808 Posts
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soujiro_
Uruguay5195 Posts
still cant remember any of them x( | ||
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stafu
Australia1196 Posts
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OpticalShot
Canada6330 Posts
On September 16 2010 12:40 Kralic wrote: SonGDuri had to Defy going hungry so he just gave a great big Smile and took a quick trOt down the road to see his good friends Hamil and JoJoBa.This deserves an honourable mention lol. ... and yeah, Smile's the only guy I've seen before. | ||
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Tekin
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Loser777
1931 Posts
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matjlav
Germany2435 Posts
It looks so rough. | ||
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Crunchums
United States11144 Posts
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pinkranger15
Philippines1597 Posts
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littlechava
United States7221 Posts
I can't remember what team SonGDuri was on. He was one of the newest b-teamers in professional gaming afaik. TLPD says he was part of the clan _Lt, but I also remember him being a part of NsP_. This might be a mistake. Defy was a protoss b-teamer on SKT1 for a while, though he never got a chance to achieve anything notable. trOt was a terran who had a few decent reps as an amateur, and he became a b-teamer on SKT1, but never accomplished anything notable. hungry was a pretty cool amateur who had really low apm for a bw pro (~200 and sometimes less), but clearly this didn't work out for him. He was a b-teamer on Woongjin Stars. Smile was some douchebag on estro who was a b-teamer for a while. He beat IdrA in OSL prelims afaik. I thought JoJoBa retired a long while ago. Maybe he started anew. As I remember it, he was a CJ b-teamer for a long while, though I don't remember him being part of the team lately. Hamil[GsP] was one of the newer additions to CJ. That's all I know about him. | ||
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kOre
Canada3642 Posts
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KinosJourney2
Sweden1811 Posts
I bet they are leaving for SC2 :p | ||
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moopie
12605 Posts
On September 16 2010 18:24 KinosJourney2 wrote: Never heard of any of their names, i guess it's sad though as this proves BW is truly dying. I bet they are leaving for SC2 :p So a bunch of nobodies leaving == bw dying? And I wouldn't be surprised if they did try their luck w/ sc2, considering the skill level of current sc2 pros is so much lower. So far the only players who transitioned have been b-teamers and oldschool has-beens who couldn't cut it in bw anymore. | ||
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HeaDStrong
Scotland785 Posts
On September 16 2010 18:24 KinosJourney2 wrote: Never heard of any of their names, i guess it's sad though as this proves BW is truly dying. I bet they are leaving for SC2 :p it proves absolutely nothing... unsuccessful pros giving it up? this is old news.... | ||
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Plaaguu
United States406 Posts
On September 16 2010 19:42 moopie wrote: So a bunch of nobodies leaving == bw dying? And I wouldn't be surprised if they did try their luck w/ sc2, considering the skill level of current sc2 pros is so much lower. So far the only players who transitioned have been b-teamers and oldschool has-beens who couldn't cut it in bw anymore. Wasn't there an article saying something along the lines of... "For progamers that are retiring the coaching staff is suggesting they play SC2 instead of renewing their contract"? And BW is nowhere near dying -_- | ||
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s.a.y
Croatia3840 Posts
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jhNz
Germany2762 Posts
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shurgen
350 Posts
On September 16 2010 20:37 s.a.y wrote: possible future sc2 stars. Unless GSL changes its prize structure these guys won't have a chance. As more and more KRN BW players go to SC2, including progamers, the less and less likely any of them will get any real value from playing sc2. The chances of being "the best" sc2 player or at least be in a strong position to be in the money is high now, but as time passes making GSL prelims will be difficult for past BW progamers. | ||
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C[SCL]
Philippines576 Posts
On September 16 2010 12:29 Crunchums wrote: who? I have literally never heard of any of those players. Me neither. -_- | ||
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funnybananaman
United States830 Posts
JoJoBa T_T | ||
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FreezerJumps
Canada653 Posts
Why must all my favorite players retire at once? BW is now dead to me. Curse you, KeSPA/Korean military service! | ||
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Drazzzt
Germany999 Posts
Welcome reality :/ | ||
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TelecoM
United States10743 Posts
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alffla
Hong Kong20321 Posts
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GreEny K
Germany7312 Posts
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KinosJourney2
Sweden1811 Posts
On September 16 2010 20:29 edhead999 wrote: Wasn't there an article saying something along the lines of... "For progamers that are retiring the coaching staff is suggesting they play SC2 instead of renewing their contract"? And BW is nowhere near dying -_- JulyZerg switched to SC2, NaDa might switch to SC2 and now a bunch of nobodies does it too. I'm pretty sure it's a matter of time until more significant players switch over too. | ||
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MangoTango
United States3670 Posts
On September 16 2010 12:40 Kralic wrote: SonGDuri had to Defy going hungry so he just gave a great big Smile and took a quick trOt down the road to see his good friends Hamil and JoJoBa.lol who are these guys :o | ||
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Pafnucy
Poland1124 Posts
As for BW dying, when SKT released most of their B-team few months ago I don't remember thinking about the death of BW. | ||
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29 fps
United States5725 Posts
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Ocular
Canada141 Posts
On September 16 2010 12:40 Kralic wrote: SonGDuri had to Defy going hungry so he just gave a great big Smile and took a quick trOt down the road to see his good friends Hamil and JoJoBa.Lol you got a lil bit too much time on your hands there bud, aha nice story nonetheless though. | ||
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Ack1027
United States7873 Posts
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Slayer91
Ireland23335 Posts
At least the good progamers make some money have fanclubs and good achievements to show. These guys have sacrificed so much and have gotten nothing out of it. | ||
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nttea
Sweden4353 Posts
On September 17 2010 02:28 Slayer91 wrote: I always feel sad for these unknown progamers who never made it and everyone laughs at them when they get. Show some respect guys At least the good progamers make some money have fanclubs and good achievements to show. These guys have sacrificed so much and have gotten nothing out of it. I'd kill to be able to say "i used to be a progamer" though. Even it i never achieved anything of note i think that's pretty damn awesome~~ they have my respect for making it as far as they did! | ||
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AlwaysGG
Taiwan952 Posts
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Crimson)S(hadow
Philippines716 Posts
On September 16 2010 23:21 Pafnucy wrote: We don't know them because for the last 4 years we have great VOD uploaders and live streamers and it is enough, even if someone can spend 3 hours a day. Before, keeping track with Korean scene had more replay watching with people picking players they like and searching for their replays. Today we hear about a gamer when he wins courage or plays on TV, which is quite late career-wise, as it takes around 1 year for b-teamer to "mature" skillwise and more time to pass courage. Before 2005 there were a lot of promising amateurs which we knew from reps and they became pros or quit. Hyuk was known from original gamei ladder around 2003, TLers noticed Canata and Pusan before they even joined proteams, Tempest was and amateur for long time, while Oov was an exception - he went straight to 4U. So these guys might have been future Pusans, Hyuks, Anytimes, but they quit, thats all. The fact that we don't know them might be an effect of different way of watching SC, rather than them being shitty players. Besides, there are players who are valued practice partners without being on TV every week, as we learned from Idra/Artosis last year. Puma, Suny, Magma come to mind. As for BW dying, when SKT released most of their B-team few months ago I don't remember thinking about the death of BW. true story, although i might not be as old school i remember seeing reps of crazy-hydra when i was looking for good muta-micro reps, then after like 3-4 years i see him playing for CJ and maybe another team before that i was like WTF | ||
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Ilikestarcraft
Korea (South)17743 Posts
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Tazza
Korea (South)1678 Posts
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moopie
12605 Posts
On September 17 2010 04:27 Tazza wrote: Its really sad, they're players that havn't lived up to their dream, and now, they wont find work because they don't have the education. This is the sad part of progaming Or they'll move to SC2 (or another game), or they can go back to school. They tried something for a year or two, it didn't work, they're moving on. Life is all about taking chances, sometimes they pay off, sometimes they don't, but just because opportunities don't always work out doesn't mean you should avoid taking them. | ||
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ZBiR
Poland1092 Posts
On September 17 2010 03:21 Crimson)S(hadow wrote: true story, although i might not be as old school i remember seeing reps of crazy-hydra when i was looking for good muta-micro reps, then after like 3-4 years i see him playing for CJ and maybe another team before that i was like WTF crazy-hydra is from stars hydra is from CJ | ||
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niteReloaded
Croatia5282 Posts
lol no. | ||
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arb
Noobville17922 Posts
On September 16 2010 13:31 matjlav wrote: I always feel so bad for these no-name progamers that work so hard to get through Courage and get on a team, and then go years without accomplishing anything. It looks so rough.I wouldnt feel bad for them. They acomplished their dream of becoming a progamer id be honored to make it onto a team even if i never got to play. Also hopefully these guys will move onto SC2! | ||
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Kenpachi
United States9908 Posts
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Taekwon
United States8155 Posts
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FyRe_DragOn
Canada2056 Posts
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freelander
Hungary4707 Posts
On September 16 2010 23:21 Pafnucy wrote: We don't know them because for the last 4 years we have great VOD uploaders and live streamers and it is enough, even if someone can spend 3 hours a day. Before, keeping track with Korean scene had more replay watching with people picking players they like and searching for their replays. Today we hear about a gamer when he wins courage or plays on TV, which is quite late career-wise, as it takes around 1 year for b-teamer to "mature" skillwise and more time to pass courage. Before 2005 there were a lot of promising amateurs which we knew from reps and they became pros or quit. Hyuk was known from original gamei ladder around 2003, TLers noticed Canata and Pusan before they even joined proteams, Tempest was and amateur for long time, while Oov was an exception - he went straight to 4U. So these guys might have been future Pusans, Hyuks, Anytimes, but they quit, thats all. The fact that we don't know them might be an effect of different way of watching SC, rather than them being shitty players. Besides, there are players who are valued practice partners without being on TV every week, as we learned from Idra/Artosis last year. Puma, Suny, Magma come to mind. As for BW dying, when SKT released most of their B-team few months ago I don't remember thinking about the death of BW. yea I remember that era hours of searching ygclan for amateur replays the most I learned was from Pusan and Best replays, before they were famous. | ||
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Yurie
12095 Posts
On September 17 2010 05:30 moopie wrote: Or they'll move to SC2 (or another game), or they can go back to school. They tried something for a year or two, it didn't work, they're moving on. Life is all about taking chances, sometimes they pay off, sometimes they don't, but just because opportunities don't always work out doesn't mean you should avoid taking them. I would have to say they spent a bit more than a year or two on this. ^^ But otherwise you are correct. Either they move on to a new game, keep trying in this game or reset their life to the point prior to aiming for the top of SC. | ||
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pronesc
United States31 Posts
On September 16 2010 12:40 Kralic wrote: SonGDuri had to Defy going hungry so he just gave a great big Smile and took a quick trOt down the road to see his good friends Hamil and JoJoBa.LOL. You're awesome. | ||
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moopie
12605 Posts
On September 17 2010 07:57 Yurie wrote: I would have to say they spent a bit more than a year or two on this. ^^ Not necessarily. Not familiar with the backstory on all these guys (and lacking the attention span to care too much), but SonGDuri for example was still an amateur last June. He was with CJ for about a year. Not sure how long he was actively trying to join a team before that, but not all of these guys have invested 4-5 years into this (and by this I mean actively pursuing the dream of professional progaming, not just playing BW in clans for fun). | ||
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blahman3344
United States2015 Posts
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dukethegold
Canada5645 Posts
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FindingPride
United States1001 Posts
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danbel1005
United States1319 Posts
LMAO. That defnitely made my day. Some might be switching to SC2, maybe? | ||
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Sillylaughs
Canada198 Posts
GanZi MVPGuemChiSource Guemchi | ||
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huameng
United States1133 Posts
On September 17 2010 13:27 Sillylaughs wrote: More retirements from Woongjin Stars: GanZi MVPGuemChiSource GuemchiOh god, no one tell Realpenguin! | ||
Harem
United States11393 Posts
On September 17 2010 13:27 Sillylaughs wrote: More retirements from Woongjin Stars: GanZi MVPGuemChiSource GuemchiI'm crying now. ;_____________________; Now, there will never be another Terran bonjwa. The best terran of our age is no more. RIP MVP. | ||
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moopie
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IntoTheWow
is awesome32278 Posts
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night terrors
China1284 Posts
I wonder if 'personal reasons' stand for 'i wanna sc2 a bit' | ||
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Mastermind
Canada7096 Posts
On September 17 2010 14:03 night terrors wrote: Woah. I wonder if 'personal reasons' stand for 'i wanna sc2 a bit' At this point most B temaers are probably starting to ask themselves if they can make it to the top of bw or not. If they cant they might as well try out sc2. | ||
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night terrors
China1284 Posts
On September 17 2010 14:08 Mastermind wrote: At this point most B temaers are probably starting to ask themselves if they can make it to the top of bw or not. If they cant they might as well try out sc2. Uh should've clarified that i was talking about Guemchi and MVP. | ||
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On_Slaught
United States12190 Posts
These kids put in a lot of their time and have devoted their life to this great game for essentially no success on their parts. No matter what we should respect that. Wish them all the best. Edit: Guemchi too?!?! What a terrible day . MVP sucks too but was never a fan of him. | ||
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ndralcasid
United States524 Posts
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Iplaythings
Denmark9110 Posts
hungry+ Show Spoiler + bad pun is bad, I just had to do it :C | ||
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Realpenguin
8253 Posts
On September 17 2010 13:27 Sillylaughs wrote: More retirements from Woongjin Stars: GanZi MVPGuemChiSource GuemchiFUCK FUCKING GOD DAMN IT why must you be so cruel to me, starcraft 2 stop taking away our (read: my) favorite players, this has gone too far | ||
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MangoTango
United States3670 Posts
On September 17 2010 13:37 Harem wrote: I'm crying now. ;_____________________; Now, there will never be another Terran bonjwa. The best terran of our age is no more. RIP MVP. What. Pretty sure Guemchi is head and shoulders teh best player out of these. At least he could win in winner's league. | ||
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EleanorRIgby
Canada3923 Posts
On September 17 2010 13:37 Harem wrote: I'm crying now. ;_____________________; Now, there will never be another Terran bonjwa. The best terran of our age is no more. RIP MVP. WTF NOOOOOOOO wow those players had so much promise ( | ||
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Bash
Finland1533 Posts
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Mystlord
United States10264 Posts
Why must everyone leave T_T | ||
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hype[NZ]
Japan412 Posts
On September 17 2010 13:27 Sillylaughs wrote: More retirements from Woongjin Stars: GanZi MVPGuemChiSource GuemchiOh wow, didn't expect that | ||
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s.a.y
Croatia3840 Posts
You will get to cheer for them in the next GSL | ||
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EquilasH
Denmark2142 Posts
On September 17 2010 13:27 Sillylaughs wrote: More retirements from Woongjin Stars: GanZi MVPGuemChiSource GuemchiWHY IS GUEMCHI LEAVING?? | ||
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Heimatloser
Germany1494 Posts
well, they didnt have on-air time in one the "lesser" teams out there (not qualifying for finals), so why should they get to play on the big stage in the better teams? its either "contract for 2-3 more years of minimum wage in the b-team" or "live on". i totally understand them. | ||
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Garnet
Vietnam9047 Posts
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