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Okay, I introduced this idea about a year ago (I believe other people re-introduced it later on as well.
The idea: to play a game on the slowest possible setting 1 on 1, then to watch it as a replay on normal (fastest) speed. The goal is to create a game with purely outstanding skill in micro and macro and strategy.
Since there would be an enormous amount of time to react and think, strategies normally not used would be seen much greater; ghosts, queens, mind control and the sort would be seen.
The problem: playing a game on the slowest setting is, simply put, agonizing torture. If you've even played a game on "fast", you will know how slow this feels.
I am willing to play this game. Is anyone up for being my opponant? Be sure to note that this game could take 5 or more hours to play.
Reply here if interested - I'm up for doing it right now.
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Valhalla18444 Posts
I'm totally up for it
Give me 10 minutes, Rt-S.FakeSteve on europe
Why 1v1 though?
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MURICA15980 Posts
That would be one long ass game. :O
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K ill be on europe in channel "perfectgame" (no space)
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PS. Hopefully this game would be passed around the BW community and some koreans could see it  (If it's any good)
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Steve just masses, he knows nothing! NOTHING! 
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ejai63
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HnR)hT
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i bet i would still forget pylons in pvt...
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It's a nice idea but it's seriously way too slow 
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Yeh i bet it never happens - why don't you start from the middle - go faster or something rather than slowest...
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fuck i flooded typing
go
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meet on west same channel?
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Slower game would just mean I would spend extra long staring at everything. Not microing at all;[
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ejai63
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steve, just play half assed. that would be pretty funny if you didnt give a shit and the other dude was playing seriously for like 4 hours
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On June 29 2004 22:19 ejai63 wrote:
steve, just play half assed. that would be pretty funny if you didnt give a shit and the other dude was playing seriously for like 4 hours
ROFLCOPTER
That would be insanely funny
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i think people's attention span would wander
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I bet they're all bored to death before either of them gets their first expansion. Or then they're just exausted for all the apm humbug
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i'd like to see the results if you guys actually go through with this. GL HF.
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vulture micro on slowest, go go go! ^_^
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why dont we just play war3 instead ?
bada bop bam.
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i dunno about the SLOWEST speed.....maybe half of fastest at the minimum but SLOWEST!?!? .... gl...
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steve won.. we played on nostalgia PvZ (him z).. contained me... me no gas on that map -_-;
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Valhalla18444 Posts
the game is 1:23
On fastest it's probably your standard 16-17minute game
Actually a pretty short game by normal standards.
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On June 30 2004 00:18 RushTHElarvA wrote:
but super micro/macro?
Yeah. I lose like 1 hydra to a series of storms.
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yea post rep good god, what were the apms?
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apm was 500 and 600.. it's a very bad game though.. I didn't attack once.. hydra vs protoss on nostalgia = no win for me! Plus I sucks.. It's not worth watching But you can get steve to post it somewhere
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i would play now but i am suck ><
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You guys must have the willpower of something that has a lot of willpower :O!!
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On June 30 2004 00:47 Slipknot wrote:
You guys must have the willpower of something that has a lot of willpower :O!!
That and we have no lives
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That and post replay.
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At slowest speed setting:
Z > T > P
Truth
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Its even worse for the peopel that watched it
TopTalent, and I....
O...M....F...G....bbqcopterwtf?
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On June 30 2004 00:43 Rt-S.FakeSteve wrote: Yeah. I lose like 1 hydra to a series of storms.
Does this mean storm is useless against perfect zerg micro?
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On June 30 2004 01:25 GundamVX wrote: Show nested quote +On June 30 2004 00:43 Rt-S.FakeSteve wrote: On June 30 2004 00:18 RushTHElarvA wrote:
but super micro/macro? Yeah. I lose like 1 hydra to a series of storms. Does this mean storm is useless against perfect zerg micro?
Yes.
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ejai63
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no, it means that the temps were micro'd imperfectly
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Valhalla18444 Posts
It means that I'm absolutely amazing.
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goon/temp would be nasty if u had the gas at that speed
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if game was perfect that wud mean storm wud own the hydra hardcore
if game was perfect that wud mean the hydra wud dodge the perfect storm
therefore it is very hard to have a perfect game.....
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On June 30 2004 02:23 no1important wrote:
if game was perfect that wud mean storm wud own the hydra hardcore
if game was perfect that wud mean the hydra wud dodge the perfect storm
therefore it is very hard to have a perfect game.....
You just blew my mind...
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i really wanna c it thou...
nobody willing to do it?
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ain't T vs T on 256x256 ?
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post the damn rep already :p
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Valhalla18444 Posts
the rep will be uploaded eventually.
It's not really stellar. The micro by me is pretty much flawless, and there's a cute queen vs templar 1v1 in it. Other than that, we both macro exceedingly well because its at slowest. I wasn't really playing too seriously so an extra hatch or three would have kept my cash a bit lower.
Other than that I just contained kid and won 
I was hoping he wouldn't leave, as I had a defiler mound in the works. Would have been some sex. plague/swarm gogo!
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Oh and if you watch my lings when they're outside his base, you'll get an idea of just how fast I was mousing them on slowest speed
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omg steve we need to do with same thing with some zvz !~!~~
Gosu !~`111111
maybe on normal speed instead of slowest though
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On June 30 2004 02:36 ReBanned wrote: Show nested quote +On June 30 2004 02:23 no1important wrote:
if game was perfect that wud mean storm wud own the hydra hardcore
if game was perfect that wud mean the hydra wud dodge the perfect storm
therefore it is very hard to have a perfect game..... You just blew my mind...
I dunno why but that response got funnier the more i thought about it. Either your sarcasm was ellusive, or i pictured a perplexed individual thinking about how impossible it is to achieve the perfect game.
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not to mention kid sucks at bw
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Me and a friend played 3 or 4 games on slowest a year ago, but he is too much better than me and the games were short and nothing interesting
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you have to prepare a scenario first!!!
then play, following the steps of the scenario
writing the build order is a good idea beacause most people tend to tech to fast on slow and it looks wierd at fastest
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On June 30 2004 02:23 no1important wrote:
if game was perfect that wud mean storm wud own the hydra hardcore
if game was perfect that wud mean the hydra wud dodge the perfect storm
therefore it is very hard to have a perfect game..... Could god make a guitar solo so slick he himself could not play it?
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c'mon!! upload the damn rep
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i'm not gonna do it , too boring...
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They had alot of time to waste though.
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I can make a game on fastest and have perfect micro/macro so why bother with slowest? :D
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On June 30 2004 05:24 Slipknot wrote: Show nested quote +On June 30 2004 02:23 no1important wrote:
if game was perfect that wud mean storm wud own the hydra hardcore
if game was perfect that wud mean the hydra wud dodge the perfect storm
therefore it is very hard to have a perfect game..... Could god make a guitar solo so slick he himself could not play it?
Well, you are very original.
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"original" usually means "unprofessional"
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STEVE / KID POST THE FUCKING REP
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Netherlands1301 Posts
save it every 60 seconds, if the game ends replay from the first crucial mistake until the game really becomes perfect
It'd make a cool replay
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On June 30 2004 08:13 Liquid`Spy wrote: save it every 60 seconds, if the game ends replay from the first crucial mistake until the game really becomes perfect It'd make a cool replay
Too bad you can't save a replay from a loaded savegame =]
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just wanna say that playing at lower speeds is not as horrible as u all think, it simply takes a little getting used to, and probably not as much as you think
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No it really does suck ass.
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i'll play you at slow=] wanna give it a try?
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Fine! Here you go bastardo's! Now you can all laugh at my newbiesm! I never like to make excuses, he won fair and square obviously, but I found it hard to do much without any gas... I think one of my problems was that I was too defensive in the beginning.. in a normal speed game, I would of kept attacking with my zealots (chasing his hydra etc).. but I was afraid he could easily out micro that on this speed..
Anyhow, it's up at http://www.pokerforums.org/longgame.rep
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I've played a couple slowest games vs comps, it's really weird.
Maybe I'll play one some time.
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it would suck if replay didnt save.....
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Seriously give us the replay
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I'll play Steve TvZ for one of these if he wants to, I need a time though.
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i dont think playing on slowest really makes you play like nada.. but it will still be interesting. i think it still really depends on the player. some players will be amazing to watch if they played hard on a slower speed, and some wont be
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so much for perfect, 1.5k and 3k!!
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Tried on normal and fast and on fast me and my friends made a decent 2v2 but some moves were too weird (we paused and talked trough the game to make it long and action filled ect) and not logical. On normal it started to become hard to keep the attention and I just sat idle from time to time.
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ok, now i see why blizzard even invented the slowest setting
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thats a good idea. not only should u play on a slow speed, maybe "normal", but u should have lots of pauses. unfortunately there is a limit to pauses now even in friendly games :/ i suppose u guys could pause every 5 minutes or something
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it's funny how your host is pokerforums.org... BTW it was far from perfect. the theory was good, but WAY TO SUCK YOU GUYS !!!
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somebody close this thread pls.. me sad now
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It's funny that the replay has somewhat realtime on the time displayed, earlygame in like 20min ect ^ ^. Well you cant make a game like this pretending you played it at fastest...
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dude.. dont give up. try again. you'll only get better. the more of these you do the better they'll be. try "slower" instead of slowest. or maybe even "normal"..
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use normal speed, its slow enought to make perfect game
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I made a preaty good game on "normal" I would try slowest but its hard finding someone to do it with.
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On June 29 2004 22:15 KiD[ReD] wrote:
fuck i flooded typing
go
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meet on west same channel?
hahhah ur so retarded
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seems like theres at least 5 ppl whove said they're interested. together u guys should eventually make some nice shit.. get 2 work with eachothor yo
blizzard didnt invent the slowest setting for this. blizzard never intended anyone to play on "fastest" except as a joke. ladder was set to "fast" speed by blizzard. so i think they include lower speeds so the game can be slowed down as needed in single player and so players can play on the speed they want; blizz certainly thought fast would be the highest speed serious players would want and probably believed games on normal and slow wouldn't be out of the question. slowest was probably included as a joke too, or for the people more familiar with turn-based strategy games that would be attracted at least to the single player of SC, their real bread and butter as far as sales went
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have 6 obs so then u get 24 pauses between the 8 of you
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i can't imagine playing as zerg, my timing would be so off track
(toss/terran is generally easier to keep timing by counting buildings/units)
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there is a hack that lets someone pause over and over I think ;o
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On June 30 2004 14:43 suxN wrote:
use normal speed, its slow enought to make perfect game
Effectively a Slowest game is 1/4 the speed of a Fastest game, and a Normal game would be 1/2 the speed of Fastest. That means they would have to be playing at 2x the speed of their first game, and if they already allegedly made some mistakes on Slowest that would translate to 2x the errors on Normal =)
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well they shouldnt need 500-600 apm to play a perfect game should they?
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On June 30 2004 19:36 STIMEY d okgm fish wrote:
well they shouldnt need 500-600 apm to play a perfect game should they?
They should need more =]
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On June 29 2004 23:44 Pumpkin wrote:
why dont we just play war3 instead ?
bada bop bam. GG no re thx war3 n00bs
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perfect game would be probably thousands of APM just thinking about a perfect terran computer makes me shiver
-perfect irradiates
-sci vessel's constantly moving around to scout
-each individual marine fanning out to dodge lurker spines
-every spider mine used tactically
-perfect macro obviously
-nonstop scouting, dropship harass (constant)
-always expanding to islands
these are just thoughts taken from the 3 matchups. If there were perfect computers playing, however, the units used in each matchup would be drastically different...
(lurker, high templar (in pvz) would be obsolete, ghosts would be used enmass, etc)
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ghosts still build slow as fuck, do concussive damage, and cost 75 gas, so i dont know why ud use them en masse
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On June 30 2004 22:27 STIMEY d okgm fish wrote:
ghosts still build slow as fuck, do concussive damage, and cost 75 gas, so i dont know why ud use them en masse
They're 25/75 right? That's still a pretty good deal if you can lockdown perfectly and allow expensive enemy units to be killed without them shooting back.
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sure if your perfect microing buddy flies his carriers and shuttles full of reavers or something into your ghosts? or u gonna just lockdown goons? how would tvp go on slowest anyways? would there be as much expoing? would both players max out before attacking?
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I'm mad ADHD. I would be physically/mentally incapable of pulling this off.
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Valhalla18444 Posts
I'm perfect in every way imagineable, personally.
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On June 30 2004 23:08 Rt-S.FakeSteve wrote:
I'm perfect in every way imagineable, personally.
*buzzer* Wrong. Dunno what you're talking aboot. You're Canadian ... eh? :D
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ya ur so perfect u spend ur time making that post instead of helping playtest my map
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On June 30 2004 23:08 Rt-S.FakeSteve wrote:
I'm perfect in every way imagineable, personally.
we must be twins
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sure if your perfect microing buddy flies his carriers and shuttles full of reavers or something into your ghosts? or u gonna just lockdown goons? how would tvp go on slowest anyways? would there be as much expoing? would both players max out before attacking?
Yes you would lockdown goons mainly, along with constant dropship harass of nuking w/medic blind + Sci vessel, ghosts also rape zealots so zealgoon is out of the question, templar storm is an option but not if ghosts continually move or break apart...
No there would not be a lot of expoing at all becuase with perfect macro the 400 mins would be a huge difference, in order to be able to exapnd the perfect player would have to have an advantage based on build order chosen and therefore counter what the other player is doing..
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I think people would expo at the same time. just because they're slower doesn't mean they waste all their money when trying to 1 fac cc.
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I'm just gonna say that playing on slowest isn't as easy as it sounds... play a full game to find out.
The main problem with all the "cool strats" I had in mind before playing, is that your opponant will almost always see you doing it before you do it.. like don't bother doing any drops and the sort.. especially because in slowest, both players have much better scouting, and have a lot more time to react.. I think the main difference is attacking in hanbangs (one big attack) like you often see in PvZ is a lot more effective in slowest setting, as it's really the micro that matters in the slowest setting, not the strategy...
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sounds like simple 2 fact expo builds would be best. although i'd imagine dt drop would be strong, i mean they wouldn't be able to build a turret without you getting 100 years to run over and kill it
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takes 80 years for the DT to walk over there though
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i think u guys will come up with some xtremely interesting games if u keep trying on these low speeds :-)
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I played a slowest game vs a comp and went 3 fact Vult, I think I lost 1 or 2 vults the whole game. Remember that the whole time I was macroing perfectly.
Vultures on slowest would be exponentially powerful and Tanks wouldn't be as important.
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