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Thorin
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
601 Posts
September 12 2010 23:06 GMT
#81
On September 13 2010 00:08 dcberkeley wrote:
1) Whine about turtling
Flash stops turtling, starts being aggressive

2) Whine about cheese/BBS
Flash doesn't cheese, uses mech

3) Whine about tank imba
Flash uses only goliaths, wins game

4) Whine about mech imba
Flash uses M&Ms, wins game

Jaedong 4 pools!

5) GENIUS
Again!

6) Fucking SCVs
Counter cheese!

7) Gay cheese, bad maps
Flash wins on Zergliner

8) Whine about TvZ, imbalance of the game
No Terran in semis of either league? Remind people of Swarm Season

9) Whine about turtling


lol this this this

User was warned for this post
Nal_rAwr
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States2611 Posts
September 12 2010 23:10 GMT
#82
1. ID must begin with an "F"

2. ID must have 5 characters

3. Player must be male

4. Player must be Terran
Nony is Bonjwa
Boblion
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
France8043 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-09-12 23:17:41
September 12 2010 23:12 GMT
#83
On September 13 2010 08:10 Nal_rAwr wrote:
1. ID must begin with an "F"

2. ID must have 5 characters

3. Player must be male

4. Player must be Terran

(T)Fanta
(T)Fancy

?

:D
fuck all those elitists brb watching streams of elite players.
Nal_rAwr
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States2611 Posts
September 12 2010 23:14 GMT
#84
btw i just noticed flash's TvZ fell below 70% after his few losses to jaedong

he needs like 3-4 straight wins to put it back up
Nony is Bonjwa
Holgerius
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Sweden16951 Posts
September 13 2010 00:18 GMT
#85
On September 13 2010 00:08 dcberkeley wrote:
1) Whine about turtling
Flash stops turtling, starts being aggressive

2) Whine about cheese/BBS
Flash doesn't cheese, uses mech

3) Whine about tank imba
Flash uses only goliaths, wins game

4) Whine about mech imba
Flash uses M&Ms, wins game

Jaedong 4 pools!

5) GENIUS
Again!

6) Fucking SCVs
Counter cheese!

7) Gay cheese, bad maps
Flash wins on Zergliner

8) Whine about TvZ, imbalance of the game
No Terran in semis of either league? Remind people of Swarm Season

9) Whine about turtling

Exactly! XD
I believe in the almighty Grötslev! -- I am never serious and you should never believe a thing I say. Including the previous sentence.
Pufftrees
Profile Joined March 2009
2449 Posts
September 13 2010 00:31 GMT
#86
On September 12 2010 23:28 heyoka wrote:
Winning both individual leagues seems pretty god.


Fixed that for ya :D

Korean Netizens are awesome, but Flash really is a god among men. I like the Greek God reference for the reasons he stated, character flaws as any mere mortal but truly ascended.
Chance favors the prepared mind.
billyX333
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
United States1360 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-09-13 00:52:53
September 13 2010 00:38 GMT
#87
On September 12 2010 19:32 SilverSkyLark wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 12 2010 17:54 Mooncat wrote:
On September 12 2010 17:29 a176 wrote:
I'd take it seriously.

He obviously lacks the entertainment value of past players. But you can't argue with the results.


Bullshit. It's your opinion man, nothing else. Flash is the single most entertaining player to watch imho.

I don't see how turtling most of your games is entertaining.

i quit following the bw scene right when flash began to emerge and this used to be the mainstream opinion about flash
either 1) all in bunker rush
or 2) turtle like crazy and slowly take 1 base at a time
(at least against zerg... probably still seeing flash through my zerg fanboy goggles from years ago)

i come back in 2010 and now hes the jesus of bw
hes really really good obviously but his play style is far from interesting to me

I don't like him, you don't like him... Maybe some of you like him, I dunno. That doesn't matter. What matters is that Flash is playing really, really good. Straight wins, too. No cheese from the kid in quite a while. Flash cruised easily into both leagues this season, so we'll see what he can do. Gotta give credit where it's due, even if Flash does look vaguely like a confused fish.

maybe i was heavily under the influence of fakesteve's power rankings, but this was always my impression of flash
constant cheese and then would mix it up with the most boring turtle game ever
Comeh
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States18919 Posts
September 13 2010 00:54 GMT
#88
I'm surprised that people find flash's playstyle "boring".
I mean, 5 barracks is pretty boring, isn't it?

To me, if you find flash boring, you are missing out the intricacies of every decision and choice he does in the game, and you are probably lacking on the understand of how to play starcraft.
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Xiphos
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Canada7507 Posts
September 13 2010 00:59 GMT
#89
Well tbh. This is what I see from Flash's play. Go like REALLY greedy build and then play a macro game. Then outmacro by turtling. Then if people goes like "Oh I must go REALLY greedy build and match him in Macro too!" then Flash goes like cheesing and then the other guy go like "Ugh, I have to defend against cheese too?" Then he'll go play a really safe build to defend against it when they think its coming then Flash will go greedy again and punish that build with a macro game. THEN there is finally a build that designed to specifically tailored to go safe but not too safe build, Flash goes for some weird timing push to destroy that. And whenever the other guy played better than Flash, they get overly excited and then threw their advantage by being overly aggressive instead of just cordinating their attack carefully and calmly (but WHO would get excited when they think they are winning against Flash) and try to match Flash's macro. The thing is that Terran can do 3 things, cheesing with BBS/Bunker Rush, play turtles and then do those weird ForGG timing pushes. Flash is REALLY good at playing mindgames with his opponent BUT his play is totally standard.
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Holgerius
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Sweden16951 Posts
September 13 2010 01:01 GMT
#90
I don't get what playstyle you would like if you don't like how Flash plays. He does everything; cheese, timing attacks, turtle, you name it.
I believe in the almighty Grötslev! -- I am never serious and you should never believe a thing I say. Including the previous sentence.
unionbank
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Australia666 Posts
September 13 2010 01:01 GMT
#91
this is blasphemy
김정우.... 이겼다!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
sCCrooked
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Korea (South)1306 Posts
September 13 2010 01:05 GMT
#92
Its only a matter of time before a counter is found to this current style of play, and then only a matter of time until a counter is found to that. That's why BW keeps existing and evolving. These FlaSh praise threads are getting kind of annoying. Don't forget that other than FlaSh, noone can stand up to Jaedong consistently either. Also, bitching about Jaedong cheesing isn't any better than the people who bitched about FlaSh playing cheesy.
Enlightened in an age of anti-intellectualism and quotidian repetitiveness of asinine assumptive thinking. Best lycan guide evar --> "Fixing solo queue all pick one game at a time." ~KwarK-
Batibot
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
Philippines348 Posts
September 13 2010 01:09 GMT
#93
+ Show Spoiler +
After he has beaten Jaedong in the OSL Finals

I'd consider him a god even though I'm a Jaedong fan.
That'd make him a "real" bonjwa when fans of other players tremble and awe at his skills.
Jaedong has to be a Bonjwa. Tired of of rooting for July.
Lebesgue
Profile Joined October 2008
4542 Posts
September 13 2010 01:10 GMT
#94
On September 13 2010 10:05 Diminotoor wrote:
Its only a matter of time before a counter is found to this current style of play, and then only a matter of time until a counter is found to that. That's why BW keeps existing and evolving. These FlaSh praise threads are getting kind of annoying. Don't forget that other than FlaSh, noone can stand up to Jaedong consistently either. Also, bitching about Jaedong cheesing isn't any better than the people who bitched about FlaSh playing cheesy.


That's exactly one of the reason why Flash is praised so much. He has surpassed his greatest rival. He won 3 last finals against Jaedong with a score 9:3.

Since Jaedong is by far best player save for Flash what does it say about Flash? Go figure...
Xiphos
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Canada7507 Posts
September 13 2010 01:12 GMT
#95
On September 13 2010 10:01 Holgerius wrote:
I don't get what playstyle you would like if you don't like how Flash plays. He does everything; cheese, timing attacks, turtle, you name it.


See like I agree that Flash is a really fucking good player and all but I wouldn't like show my friends that haven't seen a pro SC games of Flash playing because they wouldn't understand the small tweaks in Flash's play. Most of them have gotten bored of his turtle play and said stuff to me like "So he turtles like crazy til his opponents make a mistake, his opponent just keep throwing units at that wall of tanks, yeah....his opponents is too reckless" and when he cheeses, they'll go saying stuff like "Bunker rush eh? I can do that too!".

P.S. I don't care what others call him but I personally wouldn't call him the B word til he beat Effort as Zerg cuz I think Effort is the only Zerg that isn't shaken by Flash atm. and until he beat Stork in a Best of 5. As I understood the B word is for like the player that you would say "Yeah of course, he'll win against ANYONE!" and I see Effort and Stork getting in the way of Flash's Bonjwa status, w/e hopefully we'll see them playing vs each other in the near future (PLEASE ANOTHER OSL/MSL!).
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29 fps
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
United States5725 Posts
September 13 2010 01:14 GMT
#96
"Have your team win the Proleague in the regular season, the winner's league, and the Post Season."

i don't think this one belongs. after all, this is about an individual person, not his team. if KT always loses 1-3 with flash winning, he doesn't deserve that status?
4v4 is a battle of who has the better computer.
GolemMadness
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Canada11044 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-09-13 01:42:07
September 13 2010 01:17 GMT
#97
Effort got lucky in ONE BO5. In the past three seasons, Flash has lost three games against protoss. People come up with the most ridiculous reasons not to call Flash a bonjwa.
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Comeh
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States18919 Posts
September 13 2010 01:18 GMT
#98
On September 13 2010 10:12 Xiphos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 13 2010 10:01 Holgerius wrote:
I don't get what playstyle you would like if you don't like how Flash plays. He does everything; cheese, timing attacks, turtle, you name it.


See like I agree that Flash is a really fucking good player and all but I wouldn't like show my friends that haven't seen a pro SC games of Flash playing because they wouldn't understand the small tweaks in Flash's play. Most of them have gotten bored of his turtle play and said stuff to me like "So he turtles like crazy til his opponents make a mistake, his opponent just keep throwing units at that wall of tanks, yeah....his opponents is too reckless" and when he cheeses, they'll go saying stuff like "Bunker rush eh? I can do that too!".

P.S. I don't care what others call him but I personally wouldn't call him the B word til he beat Effort as Zerg cuz I think Effort is the only Zerg that isn't shaken by Flash atm. and until he beat Stork in a Best of 5. As I understood the B word is for like the player that you would say "Yeah of course, he'll win against ANYONE!" and I see Effort and Stork getting in the way of Flash's Bonjwa status, w/e hopefully we'll see them playing vs each other in the near future (PLEASE ANOTHER OSL/MSL!).

:|
One of the main players that made me, and many other people I have read, start watching starcraft is, in fact, flash. I don't really agree with your argument on either side.
Flash is bonjwa - saying he needs to beat effort or stork in a BO5 is ridiculous and far too situational/idealisitic - not to mention its not like flash hasn't beaten stork in series before...
If stork and effort were the best rivals / players to flash, they would have been in the finals instead of jaedong
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sCCrooked
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Korea (South)1306 Posts
September 13 2010 01:19 GMT
#99
On September 13 2010 10:10 Lebesgue wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 13 2010 10:05 Diminotoor wrote:
Its only a matter of time before a counter is found to this current style of play, and then only a matter of time until a counter is found to that. That's why BW keeps existing and evolving. These FlaSh praise threads are getting kind of annoying. Don't forget that other than FlaSh, noone can stand up to Jaedong consistently either. Also, bitching about Jaedong cheesing isn't any better than the people who bitched about FlaSh playing cheesy.


That's exactly one of the reason why Flash is praised so much. He has surpassed his greatest rival. He won 3 last finals against Jaedong with a score 9:3.

Since Jaedong is by far best player save for Flash what does it say about Flash? Go figure...


I just don't think the gap is as humongous as people are making it seem. The tone in all these threads is that Jaedong is somehow "bad". I don't care if noone explicitly said it, that's the tone that's being set. I get the idea that JvF will be a mu we should get used to seeing for a while until another bonjwa-to-be steps into the scene.
Enlightened in an age of anti-intellectualism and quotidian repetitiveness of asinine assumptive thinking. Best lycan guide evar --> "Fixing solo queue all pick one game at a time." ~KwarK-
Comeh
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States18919 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-09-13 01:35:10
September 13 2010 01:26 GMT
#100
On September 13 2010 10:19 Diminotoor wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 13 2010 10:10 Lebesgue wrote:
On September 13 2010 10:05 Diminotoor wrote:
Its only a matter of time before a counter is found to this current style of play, and then only a matter of time until a counter is found to that. That's why BW keeps existing and evolving. These FlaSh praise threads are getting kind of annoying. Don't forget that other than FlaSh, noone can stand up to Jaedong consistently either. Also, bitching about Jaedong cheesing isn't any better than the people who bitched about FlaSh playing cheesy.


That's exactly one of the reason why Flash is praised so much. He has surpassed his greatest rival. He won 3 last finals against Jaedong with a score 9:3.

Since Jaedong is by far best player save for Flash what does it say about Flash? Go figure...


I just don't think the gap is as humongous as people are making it seem. The tone in all these threads is that Jaedong is somehow "bad". I don't care if noone explicitly said it, that's the tone that's being set. I get the idea that JvF will be a mu we should get used to seeing for a while until another bonjwa-to-be steps into the scene.

True - I don't think that the maps are as bad as they seem (I don't think PR is 60% as much as its around 55% once zergs feel more comfortable punishing mech players again) - and I don't think they were as much of a reason jaedong lost as it was bad decision making, some bad luck, and being out played in the mindgames by flash. If we played these two series 100 times, I think it would be fairly close to 50-50.
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