EPTIntroducing the "god" line. - Page 6
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sCCrooked
Korea (South)1306 Posts
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Holgerius
Sweden16951 Posts
 And when has anyone ever said that JD is ''bad''? That's just nonsense. Everyone holds JD as the second best player in the world by far, and he would without a doubt have been bonjwa if it wasn't for Flash. He's fucking amazing, but right now (and it's been that way for quite a while) Flash is even better and he also has a huge mental advantage over JD. I'd favour Flash at least 60-40 if they were to play another Bo5 tomorrow. Anyways, how does it even matter if Flash is ''boring''? | ||
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GolemMadness
Canada11044 Posts
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Count9
China10928 Posts
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sCCrooked
Korea (South)1306 Posts
I don't care if noone explicitly said it, that's the tone that's being set. And when has anyone ever said that JD is ''bad''? That's just nonsense. Of course its nonsense. So is not reading what I was very careful to word so that someone wouldn't misinterpret it like this. I seriously think that these 2 will push how Zerg and Terran are played to a new level because they have each other to practice against (FlaSh has been getting all the interviews lately, but I think Jaedong also thinks that FlaSh is probably the most fun to play against). All that's missing is a Protoss champion to push BW even farther. | ||
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Holgerius
Sweden16951 Posts
On September 13 2010 10:51 Diminotoor wrote: Of course its nonsense. So is not reading what I was very careful to word so that someone wouldn't misinterpret it like this. I seriously think that these 2 will push how Zerg and Terran are played to a new level because they have each other to practice against (FlaSh has been getting all the interviews lately, but I think Jaedong also thinks that FlaSh is probably the most fun to play against). All that's missing is a Protoss champion to push BW even farther. I really fail to see the tone that you're talking about. Praising Flash does not = thinking lowly of Jaedong. Like Lebesgue said, a major reason to why Flash is praised such an exteme degree is that JD is insanely fucking good. Remove Flash and JD is bonjwa, hands down. He's a huuuuge favourite over anyone in a Bo5. So the fact that Flash is 9-3 vs JD over the course of the last 3 Starleague finals is mind-blowing. There is definitely a gap between Flash and JD, just like there's a gap between JD and everyone else. | ||
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mrdx
Vietnam1555 Posts
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Antisocialmunky
United States5913 Posts
On September 13 2010 10:51 Count9 wrote: New nickname in the works? oO God Emperor of course :-D | ||
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TwoToneTerran
United States8841 Posts
On September 13 2010 12:06 mrdx wrote: Yesterday I opened this thread just before jumping on to watch the OSL final VODs and was painfully spoiled. Please add [spoiler] to threads like this next time milkis. It's pretty common knowledge to not open any other threads after a finals before watching a finals. While a [spoiler] would have been nice, why would you be browsing the BW section's threads after the OSL finals and not expect to be spoilered? | ||
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_romantic
United States455 Posts
On September 13 2010 13:13 TwoToneTerran wrote: It's pretty common knowledge to not open any other threads after a finals before watching a finals. While a [spoiler] would have been nice, why would you be browsing the BW section's threads after the OSL finals and not expect to be spoilered? QFT. | ||
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sCCrooked
Korea (South)1306 Posts
On September 13 2010 11:50 Holgerius wrote: I really fail to see the tone that you're talking about. Praising Flash does not = thinking lowly of Jaedong. Then here let me help you by quoting like half the thread. raga4ka wrote: This "god" line will start and end with Flash since no one else is capable of achieving this pyro19 wrote: Sorry , there won"t be another God line since BW is fast dying out. This is reserved only for Flash, Boblion wrote: when the only guys who have a slight chance to beat him in a bo3 or bo5 are the #1 zerg and the #2 zerg and they have to play unorthodox / cheesy raga4ka wrote: opponents roll over and die before they can even get a third base going . LuiginMario wrote: JD probably cheesed half his last 15 games. I mean really man that's JUST in this thread alone. Go to the others and you find the EXACT SAME SHIT. Its old. Its not new anymore. If FlaSh is "god" (if you believe in such things), and unbeatable because he's just 99.999999% perfect, then Starcraft will die. Both 1 and 2. He already said he has NO plans to go to SC2 but should BW for some reason die out, he'd go there. I don't think anyone wants Starcraft franchise to die, so don't make ignorant blanket statements. There is definitely a gap between Flash and JD, just like there's a gap between JD and everyone else. If you're suggesting the gap between FlaSh and JD is even close to the gap that exists between the rest of the progaming world and them, then I strongly disagree. If you're suggesting the simple existence OF a gap between them and the existence OF a gap (difference in skill/gameplay not being thought of at all), then yes I agree, but it should've been more specific. There's no doubt in anyone who knows even a tiny bit about SC:BW's best that FlaSh is top-notch. Why make 687239432 threads about it? Its cool he's been named bonjwa, I'm glad someone finally has been worthy of the title (most successful single season). | ||
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Holgerius
Sweden16951 Posts
And I do think that the gap is quite large as of right now. Flash's win vs JD in the final was much more dominant than JD's win vs Stork in the semi. And that was JD's ''imba'' MU. I've even seen some hardcore JD fanboys agree that Flash>JD>Everyone else now. Things might change just like they have always done, and Flash is of course not unbeatable. It's just that since October last year he's 13-6 (including 3 straight Bo5 wins) vs the second best player in the world (who is way above everyone else), and what he has done during this period is completely unprecedented, so is it really that weird that we are fucking excited about it? | ||
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Mumei
United States270 Posts
On September 13 2010 03:38 raga4ka wrote:Well you can't blame Flash for being so good that opponents roll over and die before they can even get a third base going . I'm not. It just makes his games less entertaining for me. It's not even about who winning or losing - when he beat Fantasy in the MSL, those games were incredibly entertaining whether he won or lost. Game 1 of the WCG finals this year against Jaedong was a really, really fun game to watch, for another example. I don't find Terran inherently entertaining, so when I watch Terran matches, I have a preference for back and forth games where the outcome is in doubt, and the only way I get those against is if the opponent survives through mid-game in good enough shape to macro effectively, since Flash just doesn't lose in the mid-game (well, rarely enough that I have trouble thinking of those last time) and Flash losing in the early game is as boring as Flash beating his opponent with an uncontested timing push. *shrug* Different strokes, I suppose. | ||
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mrdx
Vietnam1555 Posts
On September 13 2010 13:13 TwoToneTerran wrote: It's pretty common knowledge to not open any other threads after a finals before watching a finals. While a [spoiler] would have been nice, why would you be browsing the BW section's threads after the OSL finals and not expect to be spoilered? Well I was waiting for the VODs to load (I hate buffering) and thought I could read some hype threads/ unrelated threads before watching the games - which has been my VOD-watching routine for 3-4 years now. It's NOT "common knowledge" that BW section is full of spoilers after a Finals. We have had that convention to name threads with [spoiler] for so long and for good reasons. I'm no stranger here and don't usually fall myself into any unwanted spoiler. But look at this thread name - it's easier to open it without even realizing the risk than you may think. Usually I wouldn't be bothered to complain or argue back with you, but this match is probably the last SC1 epic finals that we will ever have (not just because of SC2, but also because Flash-Jaedong rivalry is over and chances that there won't be any more great rivalries in SC1). If you love SC1 you will sure understand how I felt when I was spoiled. Even if you think the fault is on my part, it doesn't cost much to be more considerate to your fellow SC1 lovers does it? | ||
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TwoToneTerran
United States8841 Posts
You did something silly and should've known better. I'm not saying a [spoiler] tag wouldn't have been nice but you made a mistake as well. I know I'd feel bad if I was spoiled, that's why I intentionally don't do things like scour random BW threads after a finals. | ||
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GolemMadness
Canada11044 Posts
There's no doubt in anyone who knows even a tiny bit about SC:BW's best that FlaSh is top-notch. Why make 687239432 threads about it? Its cool he's been named bonjwa, I'm glad someone finally has been worthy of the title (most successful single season). There've been like 3 threads made after a player made history. How shocking. The rest were all old and bumped up. | ||
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sCCrooked
Korea (South)1306 Posts
On September 13 2010 14:47 Holgerius wrote: Lol, you are being paranoid; 5 quotes and pretty much only one of those (the last one, maybe the third one as well) show any sign of thinking lowly of JD. XD I mean, pointing out that no one else (no, not even JD) will probably ever reach every final during an entire year+winning dual Starleague titles+winning PL+winning WL+reaching over 4000 Kespa points+reaching 70+ % in all MU's etc etc, like Flash has done now does not mean they think JD is bad. I don't know if perhaps English is not your first language (its not mine either), but your interpretation of specific wordings is slightly off. Those are all types of ways of saying "nobody can ever do this". If "nobody can ever do this", then its the same as insulting everyone. Don't ever place limitations on people we don't understand. Noone other than MAYBE... MAYBE the coaching staff and other progamers have any idea what makes FlaSh's play so good. We can only poke and prod and make some observations. FlaSh has evolved into this player we see today. That means everyone has the potential to do the same. Its an ignorant blanket-statement no matter how you look at it. There's no arguing against any of this, its just plain fact that the words as they exist in that order inherently have negative connotations to them. And I do think that the gap is quite large as of right now. Flash's win vs JD in the final was much more dominant than JD's win vs Stork in the semi. And that was JD's ''imba'' MU. .... did you even watch the WCG 2009? Go rewatch the final match and try saying that again with sincerity. I also might remind you that the entire reason modern ZvP exists is because of JD showing the world the wonders of the 3 base spire into 5 hatch variation(s) build. I've even seen some hardcore JD fanboys agree that Flash>JD>Everyone else now. I even agree that FlaSh>Jaedong right now. In no way have I expressed my opinions of FlaSh not being better. The gap just plain isn't that big though. Game 2 and 3 were just plain old BO differences and Game 4 was a bunch of weird insane stuff probably because of the map. Things might change just like they have always done, and Flash is of course not unbeatable. It's just that since October last year he's 13-6 (including 3 straight Bo5 wins) vs the second best player in the world (who is way above everyone else), and what he has done during this period is completely unprecedented, so is it really that weird that we are fucking excited about it? Being excited =/= Making 5 clone threads of the same recycled statements. **EDIT** There've been like 3 threads made after a player made history. How shocking. The rest were all old and bumped up. Bumping old threads makes it even worse. Thanks for proving my point even better than I had already explained it. | ||
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MangoTango
United States3670 Posts
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Loser777
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orgolove
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