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MuffinDude
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States3837 Posts
September 13 2010 10:12 GMT
#121
I can't still believe this guy let effort get a title.
Zerg can be so abusive sometimes | third member of the "loli is not a crime club" PM konadora to join!
aimaimaim
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Philippines2167 Posts
September 13 2010 12:18 GMT
#122
On September 13 2010 16:53 orgolove wrote:
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oh yeah .. AWESOME
Religion is a dying idea .. || 'E-sport' outside Korea are nerds who wants to feel like rockstars. || I'm not gonna fuck with trolls on General Forum ever again .. FUCK!
Antisocialmunky
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States5912 Posts
September 13 2010 12:39 GMT
#123
On September 13 2010 15:34 Loser777 wrote:
I just have to say that if Flash's dominance is like a flash, we must be traveling at 0.9999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999c

physics joke


Everyone knows that Flash travels at 14c^2 atleast when passing through the MSL.
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Chewie
Profile Joined May 2010
Denmark708 Posts
September 13 2010 12:46 GMT
#124
shouldnt it be "godlike"?
aimaimaim
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Philippines2167 Posts
September 13 2010 12:47 GMT
#125
On September 13 2010 21:46 Chewie wrote:
shouldnt it be "godlike"?


godlike isn't god ..
Religion is a dying idea .. || 'E-sport' outside Korea are nerds who wants to feel like rockstars. || I'm not gonna fuck with trolls on General Forum ever again .. FUCK!
Shizuru~
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
Malaysia1676 Posts
September 13 2010 16:38 GMT
#126
it ain't exactly a "line" when there's only one now right?

Kal_rA
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States2925 Posts
September 13 2010 17:30 GMT
#127
On September 12 2010 17:54 Mooncat wrote:
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On September 12 2010 17:29 a176 wrote:
I'd take it seriously.

He obviously lacks the entertainment value of past players. But you can't argue with the results.


Bullshit. It's your opinion man, nothing else. Flash is the single most entertaining player to watch imho.

lol again, your opinion.. rax -> cc is his bread and butter.. (yes i know he tries to put some one base pressure occasionally but lets be honest here) hes a beast at what he does, no denying it.

but flash's play is a pretty predictable - solid macro. that is taking into account its predictability there are SO few holes in his play that makes it flipping impossible to beat him even though you know what hes going to do (expand at every opportunity). i read somewhere that when constructing a build flash accounts for EVERY possible opportunity/timing that an opponent might take advantage of - he doesnt prepare for the player, he prepares for the race.

he relies on his macro to win everygame and tries to push all games to lategame where he knows he can simply just out macro his opponent to victory - because hes better lol.

i agree with a176 in that this kind of play is great to learn from, but does lose its entertainment value overtime

what i LOVE about flash is his maphack scans/spidey sense. THAT is so fucking fun to watch haha
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like when he didnt see any lings in osl game1 and got suspicious cause his spidey sesne was tingling so he didnt push out with his MM completely denying jaedongs burrowed lings


IMO, these are some of the player i love to watch:
jaedong - fun to watch because of his endless aggression.
leta - because hes so innovative
fantasy - some of the best vulture play in the game/constant need to incorporate valks in his play hahaha
boxer - boxer.
reach - manlots.
bisu - craaaaaazy multitasking/micro ability (probe, shuttle micro for example)
stork - storkuuuuuuuuu (where else do we get to see perfect carrier play?)
hyuk - for a laugh

lots more but these stand out to me
Jaedong.
Kal_rA
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States2925 Posts
September 13 2010 17:38 GMT
#128
On September 13 2010 13:48 Diminotoor wrote:I don't think anyone wants Starcraft franchise to die

except blizzard
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fuckers. ghaa they make me so angry.
Jaedong.
Holgerius
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Sweden16951 Posts
September 13 2010 17:40 GMT
#129
On September 13 2010 15:05 Diminotoor wrote:
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On September 13 2010 14:47 Holgerius wrote:
Lol, you are being paranoid; 5 quotes and pretty much only one of those (the last one, maybe the third one as well) show any sign of thinking lowly of JD. XD I mean, pointing out that no one else (no, not even JD) will probably ever reach every final during an entire year+winning dual Starleague titles+winning PL+winning WL+reaching over 4000 Kespa points+reaching 70+ % in all MU's etc etc, like Flash has done now does not mean they think JD is bad.


I don't know if perhaps English is not your first language (its not mine either), but your interpretation of specific wordings is slightly off. Those are all types of ways of saying "nobody can ever do this". If "nobody can ever do this", then its the same as insulting everyone. Don't ever place limitations on people we don't understand. Noone other than MAYBE... MAYBE the coaching staff and other progamers have any idea what makes FlaSh's play so good. We can only poke and prod and make some observations. FlaSh has evolved into this player we see today. That means everyone has the potential to do the same. Its an ignorant blanket-statement no matter how you look at it. There's no arguing against any of this, its just plain fact that the words as they exist in that order inherently have negative connotations to them.

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And I do think that the gap is quite large as of right now. Flash's win vs JD in the final was much more dominant than JD's win vs Stork in the semi. And that was JD's ''imba'' MU.


.... did you even watch the WCG 2009? Go rewatch the final match and try saying that again with sincerity. I also might remind you that the entire reason modern ZvP exists is because of JD showing the world the wonders of the 3 base spire into 5 hatch variation(s) build.

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I've even seen some hardcore JD fanboys agree that Flash>JD>Everyone else now.


I even agree that FlaSh>Jaedong right now. In no way have I expressed my opinions of FlaSh not being better. The gap just plain isn't that big though. Game 2 and 3 were just plain old BO differences and Game 4 was a bunch of weird insane stuff probably because of the map.

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Things might change just like they have always done, and Flash is of course not unbeatable. It's just that since October last year he's 13-6 (including 3 straight Bo5 wins) vs the second best player in the world (who is way above everyone else), and what he has done during this period is completely unprecedented, so is it really that weird that we are fucking excited about it?


Being excited =/= Making 5 clone threads of the same recycled statements.

Lol, it's not an insult to say that someone will not be able to do something like that. I guess there is a small theoretical chance that another player could potentially accomplish what Flash has done in 2010, but come on; be realistic. It won't happen. I'm willing to bet money on it.

The gap between Flash and JD is pretty big. Look at the big picture here; 9-3 = 75 % winrate for Flash vs JD in the last 3 Starleague finals. That's a pretty dominating winrate yo.
I believe in the almighty Grötslev! -- I am never serious and you should never believe a thing I say. Including the previous sentence.
Kal_rA
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States2925 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-09-13 17:52:16
September 13 2010 17:50 GMT
#130
On September 14 2010 02:40 Holgerius wrote:
The gap between Flash and JD is pretty big. Look at the big picture here; 9-3 = 75 % winrate for Flash vs JD in the last 3 Starleague finals. That's a pretty dominating winrate yo.

i agree, AND you gotta take into account that jaedong pretty much walked into both finals uncontested.. just as flash did (well storkuuuuu gave jd a run for his money)

i agree with flash>jd>everyone... and that makes flash god in bw.. as sad as i am to admit it (jd fan here )
Jaedong.
MangoTango
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States3670 Posts
September 13 2010 17:59 GMT
#131
On September 13 2010 21:39 Antisocialmunky wrote:
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On September 13 2010 15:34 Loser777 wrote:
I just have to say that if Flash's dominance is like a flash, we must be traveling at 0.9999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999c

physics joke


Everyone knows that Flash travels at 14c^2 atleast when passing through the MSL.


oh god. That's...

"One fish, two fish, red fish, BLUE TANK!" - Artosis
sCCrooked
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Korea (South)1306 Posts
September 13 2010 18:22 GMT
#132
On September 14 2010 02:40 Holgerius wrote:
Lol, it's not an insult to say that someone will not be able to do something like that. I guess there is a small theoretical chance that another player could potentially accomplish what Flash has done in 2010, but come on; be realistic. It won't happen. I'm willing to bet money on it.

The gap between Flash and JD is pretty big. Look at the big picture here; 9-3 = 75 % winrate for Flash vs JD in the last 3 Starleague finals. That's a pretty dominating winrate yo.


Yes it is. There is always a chance that someone can push the envelope and come up with something that really does work with that high a %. Once again, these progamers all have an understanding of the game far deeper than we do, and I'm sure that the higher you climb, the more refined the details of their gameplay based on that understanding. Again, NOBODY is debating that FlaSh had the most amazing season to happen to date. That does not, however, indicate that a turn-around isn't a possibility. Don't ever close your mind to possibilities or you've already lost something, my friend :/
Enlightened in an age of anti-intellectualism and quotidian repetitiveness of asinine assumptive thinking. Best lycan guide evar --> "Fixing solo queue all pick one game at a time." ~KwarK-
Holgerius
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Sweden16951 Posts
September 13 2010 18:41 GMT
#133
On September 14 2010 03:22 Diminotoor wrote:
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On September 14 2010 02:40 Holgerius wrote:
Lol, it's not an insult to say that someone will not be able to do something like that. I guess there is a small theoretical chance that another player could potentially accomplish what Flash has done in 2010, but come on; be realistic. It won't happen. I'm willing to bet money on it.

The gap between Flash and JD is pretty big. Look at the big picture here; 9-3 = 75 % winrate for Flash vs JD in the last 3 Starleague finals. That's a pretty dominating winrate yo.


Yes it is. There is always a chance that someone can push the envelope and come up with something that really does work with that high a %. Once again, these progamers all have an understanding of the game far deeper than we do, and I'm sure that the higher you climb, the more refined the details of their gameplay based on that understanding. Again, NOBODY is debating that FlaSh had the most amazing season to happen to date. That does not, however, indicate that a turn-around isn't a possibility. Don't ever close your mind to possibilities or you've already lost something, my friend :/

Guess we're just fundamentally different you and me; I'm a realist, you're a dreamer.

Flash can certainly be overthrown and beaten, but I guarantee that no one else will ever reach the requirements to be a ''God''.
I believe in the almighty Grötslev! -- I am never serious and you should never believe a thing I say. Including the previous sentence.
Chill
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
Calgary25995 Posts
September 13 2010 18:46 GMT
#134
Flash is unbelievable. I just can't fathom how he's so much better than every other Terran. The games against Kwanro and Action confirmed my theory that he cannot lose.
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raga4ka
Profile Joined February 2008
Bulgaria5679 Posts
September 13 2010 19:28 GMT
#135
I wonder who will stop Flash's reign ? I'm gonna bet on a zerg , since historicaly Flash loses to zergs the most in a series , but since Jaedong couldn't do it the other option is Effort since they are the only zergs who actually win games of Flash . Calm , Zero , Action could put up a fight against Flash , but it's unlikely looking at past results . In TvP it looks like Flash is rolling top protoss players without even trying . TvT Flash struggles the most , but in the end he still wins ...
TwoToneTerran
Profile Joined March 2009
United States8841 Posts
September 13 2010 20:56 GMT
#136
Kind of hard to believe that a little over a year ago Flash was dropping out of leagues to Kwanro and getting knocked off the PR all together. It's amazing how much he's grown in such a short period.
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barth
Profile Joined March 2008
Ireland1272 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-09-13 21:17:38
September 13 2010 21:17 GMT
#137
For the last year or so I kept saying to myself that Flash is going to choke and fall back to where he was 2 years ago really soon, it`s beyond impressive that he hasn`t, he actually seems to keep on improving... unbelievable.

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I still hate you, please start losing.
"Somebody you are talking to disappears mid sentence, and the universe shoots you because you talked to someone that wasn`t there." - MasterOfChaos
Nal_rAwr
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States2611 Posts
September 13 2010 21:43 GMT
#138
lol thats not a pic of God thats a pic of Jesus...

and that's sAviOr and Effort (aka Messiah)
Nony is Bonjwa
XsebT
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Denmark2980 Posts
September 13 2010 21:44 GMT
#139
On September 14 2010 05:56 TwoToneTerran wrote:
Kind of hard to believe that a little over a year ago Flash was dropping out of leagues to Kwanro and getting knocked off the PR all together. It's amazing how much he's grown in such a short period.

Yeah, when normal kids havn't really matured yet, they really try their parents' limits. "How much will it take before they lose their minds?"... Flash, however, is not a usual kid and decided to try the limits of the 14cc instead. Like everybody though, he grew up.
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niteReloaded
Profile Blog Joined February 2007
Croatia5282 Posts
September 13 2010 22:04 GMT
#140
Flash is not boring, he's simply not suicidal.
He doesn't make actions which polarize his chances of victory depending on what his opponent does AKA all-ins (at times where they are uncalled for).
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