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Rodiel
Profile Joined August 2006
France573 Posts
October 04 2010 18:08 GMT
#161
What a noob, worst sc player for sure
Buhlbaid
Profile Joined September 2010
Spain32 Posts
October 04 2010 18:13 GMT
#162
IMHO the problem with flash to me is the charisma. Hes probably the best of all time, but boxer, nada, etc... have more charisma, more legendary aura, more.... more... I dunno, but flash lacks something out the game. A comparison..

Messi: Best 2009-2010 soccer player but no charisma at all.
Zidane: Best 1998-2001 soccer player but super charisma.
"There is no subjetct so old that something new cannot be said about it." -Dostoievski
LuigiNMario
Profile Joined April 2010
United States456 Posts
October 04 2010 22:14 GMT
#163
On October 05 2010 03:13 Buhlbaid wrote:
IMHO the problem with flash to me is the charisma. Hes probably the best of all time, but boxer, nada, etc... have more charisma, more legendary aura, more.... more... I dunno, but flash lacks something out the game. A comparison..

Messi: Best 2009-2010 soccer player but no charisma at all.
Zidane: Best 1998-2001 soccer player but super charisma.



Does this have to do with flash showing not much emotion when he wins? I actually like him for his game play and stats
When there's Flash there's a way.
HobbitGotGame
Profile Joined June 2009
Canada178 Posts
October 04 2010 22:24 GMT
#164
On October 05 2010 07:14 LuigiNMario wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 05 2010 03:13 Buhlbaid wrote:
IMHO the problem with flash to me is the charisma. Hes probably the best of all time, but boxer, nada, etc... have more charisma, more legendary aura, more.... more... I dunno, but flash lacks something out the game. A comparison..

Messi: Best 2009-2010 soccer player but no charisma at all.
Zidane: Best 1998-2001 soccer player but super charisma.



Does this have to do with flash showing not much emotion when he wins? I actually like him for his game play and stats


Flash is a winbot, not a player.
LuigiNMario
Profile Joined April 2010
United States456 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-10-04 22:59:23
October 04 2010 22:39 GMT
#165
On October 05 2010 07:24 HobbitGotGame wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 05 2010 07:14 LuigiNMario wrote:
On October 05 2010 03:13 Buhlbaid wrote:
IMHO the problem with flash to me is the charisma. Hes probably the best of all time, but boxer, nada, etc... have more charisma, more legendary aura, more.... more... I dunno, but flash lacks something out the game. A comparison..

Messi: Best 2009-2010 soccer player but no charisma at all.
Zidane: Best 1998-2001 soccer player but super charisma.



Does this have to do with flash showing not much emotion when he wins? I actually like him for his game play and stats


Flash is a winbot, not a player.


I never said he was a player.

When there's Flash there's a way.
Jugan
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States1566 Posts
October 05 2010 00:05 GMT
#166
On September 12 2010 19:08 Evil_Monkey_ wrote:
Flash is amazing too but there's so much innovation that's gone before him.


He invented many of his own builds, including a double armory build which single-handedly brought the era of the 6 dragons to an end. And this was when he was just starting to get big. Case in point.
Even a Savior couldn't fix all problems. www.twitch.tv/xJugan
crazeh
Profile Joined August 2010
91 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-10-05 03:57:25
October 05 2010 03:56 GMT
#167
On September 19 2010 04:46 genai wrote:
Sure, he is good... but like in all other "b" crap threads, people seem to forget in what era of BW flash is dominating. So, lets check what was going on in his "domination" era:
If i recall, in bw its P>T>Z>P (not much... but still, i believe people think thats true)
era of jaedong domination strong players: effort, stork, bisu, flash, jangbi, fantasy, even leta was on a roll back then... and im sure there are more, but those people were almost unbeatable unless they played each other! so he had to be good vs all 3 races, even T that > Z and in zvz (least forgiving matchup)
Flash now has... 0 protoss to care about (stork is there, but not that much, he is going on and off all the time)... and every good player except jaedong is slumping atm (even effort before he somehow got to win that title against flash was mediocre at best and losing to everyone and everything)... so... flash has only 1 really good player to worry about, and its TvZ on TvZ favored maps in recent tournaments... and somehow because he is dominating the "low" of bw, he is somehow more deserving to be called best atm, best ever, and other b-word than people who dominated during the time when like 10 other players were peaking, and not slumping...

Im sorry, but flash is nowhere near the "best of all time" in my eyes... and he is nowhere near as deserving to be called b-word as jaedong... let alone to be put in same sentance as nada or boxer

if somehow bisu, stork, jangbi (pvt monster) and others somehow rejuvinate and start playing like back then, and flash still dominates... then all hail the king... but as it is, naaah


Your point is kind of valid. The strongest era of BW overall was from sometime in 2007 to late 2009. Jaedong hasn't been playing his best for whatever reasons since the Nate MSL but manages to still make finals because the overall competition is just not as difficult as 12 months ago. Other top players Stork and especially Bisu have slumped terribly. Players like effort, baby, leta,, zero and kal have not been consistent enough to make this BW era a "tough" era.

However with that said that doesn't mean that Flash isn't Bonjwa. It doesn't matter how tough the era is if you dominate it completely you should be regarded as Bonjwa. History will always show that Flash dominated while Jaedong, Bisu and Stork amongst others were still active. Whether they were playing their best or not will not matter in the record books.
cz
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
United States3249 Posts
October 05 2010 04:09 GMT
#168
On October 05 2010 09:05 Jugan wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 12 2010 19:08 Evil_Monkey_ wrote:
Flash is amazing too but there's so much innovation that's gone before him.


He invented many of his own builds, including a double armory build which single-handedly brought the era of the 6 dragons to an end. And this was when he was just starting to get big. Case in point.


Yep. People forget how big carriers used to be in PvT. If protoss ever got a mid game lead there was something like a >70% chance that they'd switch to carriers. After Flash established his fast upgrade build that came to an end: it is now extremely rare to see a carrier switch in PvT.
Comeh
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States18919 Posts
October 05 2010 05:02 GMT
#169
On October 05 2010 09:05 Jugan wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 12 2010 19:08 Evil_Monkey_ wrote:
Flash is amazing too but there's so much innovation that's gone before him.


He invented many of his own builds, including a double armory build which single-handedly brought the era of the 6 dragons to an end. And this was when he was just starting to get big. Case in point.

Erm, just wanted to point out that Flash was using the double armory build WAYYYYY before the "era of the 6 dragons" was in full effect.
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wswordsmen
Profile Joined October 2007
United States987 Posts
October 05 2010 05:08 GMT
#170
On October 05 2010 13:09 cz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 05 2010 09:05 Jugan wrote:
On September 12 2010 19:08 Evil_Monkey_ wrote:
Flash is amazing too but there's so much innovation that's gone before him.


He invented many of his own builds, including a double armory build which single-handedly brought the era of the 6 dragons to an end. And this was when he was just starting to get big. Case in point.


Yep. People forget how big carriers used to be in PvT. If protoss ever got a mid game lead there was something like a >70% chance that they'd switch to carriers. After Flash established his fast upgrade build that came to an end: it is now extremely rare to see a carrier switch in PvT.

Maps have more to do with that than the double armory build, but that does contribute to the lack of carrier in current pro SC
NeCroPoTeNce
Profile Joined July 2009
United States513 Posts
October 05 2010 05:30 GMT
#171
On September 12 2010 16:23 seRapH wrote:
well i'm assuming this godline is still below NADA

This
Nada's given noobies(aka gosus like jaedong and flash) a 4 year period to try to catch up to him in godliness, and no one has. That ought to be something to consider about god status.
Oh and you don't see any "Flash's Body" or "Jaedong's Body" threads do you?
zerg all the way! Lee Jaedong hwaiting
cz
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
United States3249 Posts
October 05 2010 06:16 GMT
#172
On October 05 2010 14:08 wswordsmen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 05 2010 13:09 cz wrote:
On October 05 2010 09:05 Jugan wrote:
On September 12 2010 19:08 Evil_Monkey_ wrote:
Flash is amazing too but there's so much innovation that's gone before him.


He invented many of his own builds, including a double armory build which single-handedly brought the era of the 6 dragons to an end. And this was when he was just starting to get big. Case in point.


Yep. People forget how big carriers used to be in PvT. If protoss ever got a mid game lead there was something like a >70% chance that they'd switch to carriers. After Flash established his fast upgrade build that came to an end: it is now extremely rare to see a carrier switch in PvT.

Maps have more to do with that than the double armory build, but that does contribute to the lack of carrier in current pro SC


Not true. Flash really destroyed the carrier switch as a viable strategy in a very short amount of time, before there was time for a big map switch. And there have been many complete map switches since then and carriers have not come back, despite them always being popular up to 2008.
Gann1
Profile Joined July 2009
United States1575 Posts
October 06 2010 06:22 GMT
#173
"Must save someone's life" should be added to the criteria
I drop suckas like Plinko
Burned Toast *
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Canada2040 Posts
October 06 2010 07:33 GMT
#174
9 pages about Flash without this?

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TvT matchup is sometimes worse than jailtime
kawatan
Profile Joined January 2010
288 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-10-06 07:44:11
October 06 2010 07:39 GMT
#175
On October 05 2010 14:30 NeCroPoTeNce wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 12 2010 16:23 seRapH wrote:
well i'm assuming this godline is still below NADA

This
Nada's given noobies(aka gosus like jaedong and flash) a 4 year period to try to catch up to him in godliness, and no one has. That ought to be something to consider about god status.
Oh and you don't see any "Flash's Body" or "Jaedong's Body" threads do you?


you also dont see nada breaking 2400 and of course the whole "i saved a life" while nada has "i have bumps"
Tyrio
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
United States3248 Posts
October 06 2010 07:48 GMT
#176
Nada's competition when he won his titles was far below the competition Flash faces now. ie Jaedong as opposed to Gorush.
[NA] Tyrio.486 / Ahsh
Piste
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
6179 Posts
October 06 2010 11:24 GMT
#177
Come on. everybody knows no one has ever played at the level of Flash before. It's ridicilous to even argue about this.
Flash has no charisma? he is awesome. irl hero, saving lives and shit.
He is not innovative? what about all the builds he came up with?
Dfgj
Profile Joined May 2008
Singapore5922 Posts
October 06 2010 11:47 GMT
#178
On October 05 2010 14:30 NeCroPoTeNce wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 12 2010 16:23 seRapH wrote:
well i'm assuming this godline is still below NADA

This
Nada's given noobies(aka gosus like jaedong and flash) a 4 year period to try to catch up to him in godliness, and no one has. That ought to be something to consider about god status.
Oh and you don't see any "Flash's Body" or "Jaedong's Body" threads do you?

Compare Nada's career duration to Flash. Now compare the competition he faced.
Volshok
Profile Joined August 2008
United States349 Posts
October 06 2010 14:54 GMT
#179
On October 06 2010 16:39 kawatan wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 05 2010 14:30 NeCroPoTeNce wrote:
On September 12 2010 16:23 seRapH wrote:
well i'm assuming this godline is still below NADA

This
Nada's given noobies(aka gosus like jaedong and flash) a 4 year period to try to catch up to him in godliness, and no one has. That ought to be something to consider about god status.
Oh and you don't see any "Flash's Body" or "Jaedong's Body" threads do you?


you also dont see nada breaking 2400 and of course the whole "i saved a life" while nada has "i have bumps"


Nada has been part of the make a wish foundation since his father's death, and is also very active is community events.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=123657
hypercube
Profile Joined April 2010
Hungary2735 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-10-07 01:40:23
October 07 2010 01:39 GMT
#180
On October 05 2010 03:13 Buhlbaid wrote:
IMHO the problem with flash to me is the charisma. Hes probably the best of all time, but boxer, nada, etc... have more charisma, more legendary aura, more.... more... I dunno, but flash lacks something out the game. A comparison..

Messi: Best 2009-2010 soccer player but no charisma at all.
Zidane: Best 1998-2001 soccer player but super charisma.


For all his results he's only a kid who just turned 18. It's no surprise he doesn't have the aura of old legends.

No charisma is probably a bit unfair though. He had a few nice interviews at the start of the season where he talked about his frustration with his team during the 2009 Winners' League and his struggle with overconfidence after becoming the youngest starleague winner. I guess just seeing him win game after game can be boring but he actually has a pretty interesting story.
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