EPTIntroducing the "god" line. - Page 9
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Rodiel
France573 Posts
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Buhlbaid
Spain32 Posts
Messi: Best 2009-2010 soccer player but no charisma at all. Zidane: Best 1998-2001 soccer player but super charisma. | ||
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LuigiNMario
United States456 Posts
On October 05 2010 03:13 Buhlbaid wrote: IMHO the problem with flash to me is the charisma. Hes probably the best of all time, but boxer, nada, etc... have more charisma, more legendary aura, more.... more... I dunno, but flash lacks something out the game. A comparison.. Messi: Best 2009-2010 soccer player but no charisma at all. Zidane: Best 1998-2001 soccer player but super charisma. Does this have to do with flash showing not much emotion when he wins? I actually like him for his game play and stats  | ||
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HobbitGotGame
Canada178 Posts
On October 05 2010 07:14 LuigiNMario wrote: Does this have to do with flash showing not much emotion when he wins? I actually like him for his game play and stats Flash is a winbot, not a player. | ||
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LuigiNMario
United States456 Posts
I never said he was a player. | ||
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Jugan
United States1566 Posts
On September 12 2010 19:08 Evil_Monkey_ wrote: Flash is amazing too but there's so much innovation that's gone before him. He invented many of his own builds, including a double armory build which single-handedly brought the era of the 6 dragons to an end. And this was when he was just starting to get big. Case in point. | ||
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crazeh
91 Posts
On September 19 2010 04:46 genai wrote: Sure, he is good... but like in all other "b" crap threads, people seem to forget in what era of BW flash is dominating. So, lets check what was going on in his "domination" era: If i recall, in bw its P>T>Z>P (not much... but still, i believe people think thats true) era of jaedong domination strong players: effort, stork, bisu, flash, jangbi, fantasy, even leta was on a roll back then... and im sure there are more, but those people were almost unbeatable unless they played each other! so he had to be good vs all 3 races, even T that > Z and in zvz (least forgiving matchup) Flash now has... 0 protoss to care about (stork is there, but not that much, he is going on and off all the time)... and every good player except jaedong is slumping atm (even effort before he somehow got to win that title against flash was mediocre at best and losing to everyone and everything)... so... flash has only 1 really good player to worry about, and its TvZ on TvZ favored maps in recent tournaments... and somehow because he is dominating the "low" of bw, he is somehow more deserving to be called best atm, best ever, and other b-word than people who dominated during the time when like 10 other players were peaking, and not slumping... Im sorry, but flash is nowhere near the "best of all time" in my eyes... and he is nowhere near as deserving to be called b-word as jaedong... let alone to be put in same sentance as nada or boxer if somehow bisu, stork, jangbi (pvt monster) and others somehow rejuvinate and start playing like back then, and flash still dominates... then all hail the king... but as it is, naaah Your point is kind of valid. The strongest era of BW overall was from sometime in 2007 to late 2009. Jaedong hasn't been playing his best for whatever reasons since the Nate MSL but manages to still make finals because the overall competition is just not as difficult as 12 months ago. Other top players Stork and especially Bisu have slumped terribly. Players like effort, baby, leta,, zero and kal have not been consistent enough to make this BW era a "tough" era. However with that said that doesn't mean that Flash isn't Bonjwa. It doesn't matter how tough the era is if you dominate it completely you should be regarded as Bonjwa. History will always show that Flash dominated while Jaedong, Bisu and Stork amongst others were still active. Whether they were playing their best or not will not matter in the record books. | ||
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cz
United States3249 Posts
On October 05 2010 09:05 Jugan wrote: He invented many of his own builds, including a double armory build which single-handedly brought the era of the 6 dragons to an end. And this was when he was just starting to get big. Case in point. Yep. People forget how big carriers used to be in PvT. If protoss ever got a mid game lead there was something like a >70% chance that they'd switch to carriers. After Flash established his fast upgrade build that came to an end: it is now extremely rare to see a carrier switch in PvT. | ||
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Comeh
United States18919 Posts
On October 05 2010 09:05 Jugan wrote: He invented many of his own builds, including a double armory build which single-handedly brought the era of the 6 dragons to an end. And this was when he was just starting to get big. Case in point. Erm, just wanted to point out that Flash was using the double armory build WAYYYYY before the "era of the 6 dragons" was in full effect. | ||
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wswordsmen
United States987 Posts
On October 05 2010 13:09 cz wrote: Yep. People forget how big carriers used to be in PvT. If protoss ever got a mid game lead there was something like a >70% chance that they'd switch to carriers. After Flash established his fast upgrade build that came to an end: it is now extremely rare to see a carrier switch in PvT. Maps have more to do with that than the double armory build, but that does contribute to the lack of carrier in current pro SC | ||
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NeCroPoTeNce
United States513 Posts
On September 12 2010 16:23 seRapH wrote: well i'm assuming this godline is still below NADA This Nada's given noobies(aka gosus like jaedong and flash) a 4 year period to try to catch up to him in godliness, and no one has. That ought to be something to consider about god status. Oh and you don't see any "Flash's Body" or "Jaedong's Body" threads do you? | ||
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cz
United States3249 Posts
On October 05 2010 14:08 wswordsmen wrote: Maps have more to do with that than the double armory build, but that does contribute to the lack of carrier in current pro SC Not true. Flash really destroyed the carrier switch as a viable strategy in a very short amount of time, before there was time for a big map switch. And there have been many complete map switches since then and carriers have not come back, despite them always being popular up to 2008. | ||
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Gann1
United States1575 Posts
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Burned Toast
Canada2040 Posts
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kawatan
288 Posts
On October 05 2010 14:30 NeCroPoTeNce wrote: This Nada's given noobies(aka gosus like jaedong and flash) a 4 year period to try to catch up to him in godliness, and no one has. That ought to be something to consider about god status. Oh and you don't see any "Flash's Body" or "Jaedong's Body" threads do you? you also dont see nada breaking 2400 and of course the whole "i saved a life" while nada has "i have bumps" | ||
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Tyrio
United States3248 Posts
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Piste
6181 Posts
Flash has no charisma? he is awesome. irl hero, saving lives and shit. He is not innovative? what about all the builds he came up with? | ||
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Dfgj
Singapore5922 Posts
On October 05 2010 14:30 NeCroPoTeNce wrote: This Nada's given noobies(aka gosus like jaedong and flash) a 4 year period to try to catch up to him in godliness, and no one has. That ought to be something to consider about god status. Oh and you don't see any "Flash's Body" or "Jaedong's Body" threads do you? Compare Nada's career duration to Flash. Now compare the competition he faced. | ||
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Volshok
United States349 Posts
On October 06 2010 16:39 kawatan wrote: you also dont see nada breaking 2400 and of course the whole "i saved a life" while nada has "i have bumps" Nada has been part of the make a wish foundation since his father's death, and is also very active is community events. | ||
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hypercube
Hungary2735 Posts
On October 05 2010 03:13 Buhlbaid wrote: IMHO the problem with flash to me is the charisma. Hes probably the best of all time, but boxer, nada, etc... have more charisma, more legendary aura, more.... more... I dunno, but flash lacks something out the game. A comparison.. Messi: Best 2009-2010 soccer player but no charisma at all. Zidane: Best 1998-2001 soccer player but super charisma. For all his results he's only a kid who just turned 18. It's no surprise he doesn't have the aura of old legends. No charisma is probably a bit unfair though. He had a few nice interviews at the start of the season where he talked about his frustration with his team during the 2009 Winners' League and his struggle with overconfidence after becoming the youngest starleague winner. I guess just seeing him win game after game can be boring but he actually has a pretty interesting story. | ||
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