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Smix
United States4549 Posts
Posting for Milkis because he's saving his 1000th post...  KeSPA has an event going on from the 7th to the 30th, where you get to test the new maps that will be used in the Proleague. Maybe someone else can translate the descriptions (http://www.e-sports.or.kr/kespaMap_evt.kea) Download them here - Benzene ![[image loading]](http://www.whitecosmos.com/sc/maps/10-11/(2)Benzene0.90.jpg) - Bloody Ridge ![[image loading]](http://www.whitecosmos.com/sc/maps/10-11/(2)%ED%94%BC%EC%9D%98%20%EB%8A%A5%EC%84%A00.90.jpg) - Aztec ![[image loading]](http://www.whitecosmos.com/sc/maps/10-11/(3)Aztec0.90.jpg) - Middle Hill/Source ![[image loading]](http://www.whitecosmos.com/sc/maps/10-11/(3)%E4%B8%AD%E5%8E%9F0.90.jpg) - Circuit Breakers ![[image loading]](http://www.whitecosmos.com/sc/maps/10-11/(4)CircuitBreakers0.90.jpg) - Icarus ![[image loading]](http://www.whitecosmos.com/sc/maps/10-11/(4)Icarus0.90.jpg) - Empire of the Sun ![[image loading]](http://www.whitecosmos.com/sc/maps/10-11/(4)%ED%83%9C%EC%96%91%EC%9D%98%20%EC%A0%9C%EA%B5%AD0.90.jpg) - Punchbowl Area ![[image loading]](http://www.whitecosmos.com/sc/maps/10-11/(4)%ED%8E%80%EC%B9%98%EB%B3%BC%20%EC%A7%80%EA%B5%AC0.90.jpg) 
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miNix
Turkey156 Posts
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seRapH
United States9776 Posts
also circuit breakers reminds me of andromeda. like a mix between grand line and andromeda. also punchbowl earth is like HEY GUYS GO 2BASE OR GET RAPED :DDDDD | ||
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ShadeR
Australia7535 Posts
Circuit Breaker looks awesome! | ||
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Nouar
France3270 Posts
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Hyde
Australia14568 Posts
Bloody Ridge looks like a terrible map. | ||
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SubtleArt
2710 Posts
How many of these are going to be used btw? So exciting to see new maps!! | ||
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emperorchampion
Canada9496 Posts
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Vasoline73
United States7814 Posts
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alypse
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Issor
United States870 Posts
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fIamewheel
177 Posts
Got to look at them more carefully. | ||
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MangoTango
United States3670 Posts
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seRapH
United States9776 Posts
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deafhobbit
United States828 Posts
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klizzer
517 Posts
No ash world tileset T_T (loved outsider) Anyway, thanks for the info Milkis/Smix! | ||
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prosatan
Romania8477 Posts
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Sewi
Germany1697 Posts
Circuite breaker looks like a mix of grand line and fighting spirit... Love the low-ground mains on one map. May lead to some interesting early game stuff | ||
alffla
Hong Kong20321 Posts
perhaps zergs will finally get to discover what terrans are doing more easily :D | ||
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LunarDestiny
United States4177 Posts
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Ocular
Canada141 Posts
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Yurie
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Too_MuchZerg
Finland2818 Posts
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SkelA
Macedonia13069 Posts
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Antoine
United States7481 Posts
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SkytoM
Austria1137 Posts
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alffla
Hong Kong20321 Posts
On September 08 2010 00:51 Yurie wrote: Middle Hill/Source, what is that fence looking thing near the natural of each base? thats those door doodas you can find in the installation terrain..but put into this map haha. so only workers can slide through the minerals to get past the doors. also used in the map Fortress. | ||
Elyvilon
United States13143 Posts
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Teddyman
Finland362 Posts
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OpticalShot
Canada6330 Posts
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Aesop
Hungary11304 Posts
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Murderotica
Vatican City State2594 Posts
FUCK YEA PROLEAGUE! NEVER DIE! | ||
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endy
Switzerland8970 Posts
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Crunchums
United States11144 Posts
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lokiM
United States3407 Posts
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LastActionHero
Germany29 Posts
Zerg favor? | ||
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tyr
France1686 Posts
When exactly ? I wanna watch. ^^ | ||
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sushiman
Sweden2691 Posts
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infinity2k9
United Kingdom2397 Posts
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DorF
Sweden961 Posts
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Neos
United States400 Posts
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Kinky
United States4126 Posts
I wonder how many of these maps will actually go through and replace the current map pool | ||
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MisterD
Germany1338 Posts
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remag
Germany354 Posts
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Yxes2211
United States1587 Posts
Can't wait to see games on it | ||
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KinosJourney2
Sweden1811 Posts
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Roffles
Pitcairn19291 Posts
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nayumi
Australia6499 Posts
On September 08 2010 02:13 Roffles wrote: Rofl, Punchbowl Earth. Who the hell comes up with these names? Maybe the same guy who came up with Finger Boom? | ||
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Iplaythings
Denmark9110 Posts
Bloody ridge ftl with all those proxy locations, rofl. Zergs should place their 3rd hatch at one of the "side doors" so they will get extra minerals + denying scouting =) | ||
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GoodRamen
United States713 Posts
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Bisu-Fan
Russian Federation3336 Posts
On September 08 2010 00:18 seRapH wrote: omg... bloody ridge... also circuit breakers reminds me of andromeda. like a mix between grand line and andromeda. also punchbowl earth is like HEY GUYS GO 2BASE OR GET RAPED :DDDDD Not only punchbowl but also aztec as the main is on the bottom of the ramp? ugh not good for a terran siege line to siege up there... but then again you'd never get to a situation like the before typing GG right? | ||
Milkis
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Bisu-Fan
Russian Federation3336 Posts
On September 08 2010 00:33 fIamewheel91 wrote: I'm thinking terran imba on all these maps. Got to look at them more carefully. me too... | ||
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StorrZerg
United States13919 Posts
On September 08 2010 02:29 Milkis wrote: k apparently it's punchbowl area and not punchbowl earth thats a bit better, still weird though | ||
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Shiladie
Canada1631 Posts
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RoieTRS
United States2569 Posts
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CoWsGoesMoo
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yeti
United States258 Posts
But Middle Hill? 2 protected expos? mmmmnnnnhhhmmm | ||
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Ikonn
Netherlands1958 Posts
On September 08 2010 00:52 Antoine wrote: benzene looks rather familiar yeah no kidding | ||
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MamiyaOtaru
United States1687 Posts
On September 08 2010 00:24 emperorchampion wrote: ahaha Punchbowl Earth wtf, who came up with that name? possibly has something to do with the Punchbowl in Hawaii ![[image loading]](http://img840.imageshack.us/img840/5461/dsc00246vz.jpg) | ||
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Rustymike
Finland327 Posts
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foeffa
Belgium2115 Posts
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ArvickHero
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Tazza
Korea (South)1678 Posts
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nosliw
United States2716 Posts
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Tyrio
United States3248 Posts
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sob3k
United States7572 Posts
On September 08 2010 00:37 MangoTango wrote: Bloody Ridge looks awful. I don't understand how those ridges are of any strategic importance at all, when you can just go around them. Because if you decide to go through one of the valleys you can be rape flanked by hidden highground units from the sides, its actually a really neat concept although I'm not too fond of the rest of the map layout. | ||
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Jackal03
Brazil7469 Posts
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soujiro_
Uruguay5195 Posts
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Biff The Understudy
France7916 Posts
Let see the balance, now... many good looking maps are terrible. | ||
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ArvickHero
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TRAP[yoo]
Hungary6026 Posts
i hope they are replacing a lot!now im pumped for PL...it will be sooo good | ||
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Garrl
Scotland1974 Posts
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]343[
United States10328 Posts
edit: ohhh but it's like that other map where you could go around the side... crap that map was from like 07 or something... sigh | ||
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darktreb
United States3016 Posts
On September 08 2010 05:15 ArvickHero wrote: I just realized many of the current maps will be rotated out.. I hope that Fighting Spirit stays but I'm pretty sure it's done now I'd be shocked if FS was kept given how long it's been around. It goes down in the annals as one of the great maps of all time. | ||
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Taekwon
United States8155 Posts
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Roffles
Pitcairn19291 Posts
On September 08 2010 02:29 Milkis wrote: k apparently it's punchbowl area and not punchbowl earth Doesn't make things better really. It's still got the Punchbowl in the name. | ||
tree.hugger
Philadelphia, PA10406 Posts
Not too many new ideas in this pool, except for Bloody Ridges spine, Middle Hill's gates, and Punchbowl's perimeter passages. Expecting: Bloody Ridge Punchbowl (with a new name) Circuit Breakers Fortress Judgement Day Polaris Rhapsody And I love how there are still people reliably popping in to declare maps terran favored. This is such a cliche by now, do we have to? | ||
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Dataleif
Sweden252 Posts
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Plexa
Aotearoa39261 Posts
- How on earth is a protoss going to stop a tank push down the side columns PLEASE don't use this mapBloody Ridge - What the hell? Infinite scouting T_T; going to make for a very boring map imo - Terran turtle on this map is going to be insane to beat imo Aztec - Looks solid hopefully this makes it- Those naturals are going to be hell for Terrans against 2hatch muta though! Middle Hill - More free scouting - Looks like roadrunner meets Un'goro crater - doesn't look promising Circuit Breakers - Solid map - kinda like a neo R-point - Love how the center is constructed, small bridges for easy route and wide ramps for the longer route, nice! Icarus - Another Un'goro crater remake lol - map looks massive o.o - should be alright for games, nothing too exciting Empire - Looks fugly - looks like a protoss map tbh o.o Punchbowl - No... just no... | ||
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Garrl
Scotland1974 Posts
On September 08 2010 05:50 Plexa wrote: Benzene - How on earth is a protoss going to stop a tank push down the side columns PLEASE don't use this mapCarriers? Particularly easy to micro them if they try to push there. | ||
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Cow
Canada1104 Posts
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swanized
Canada2480 Posts
this is an incredible map pool. I'm wondering about balance though can't wait for next proleague season | ||
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moopie
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Icarus looks fucking sweet. | ||
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Lebesgue
4542 Posts
On September 08 2010 00:37 seRapH wrote: this is a TL map discussion. of course every map is terran imba. lol, post of the week. Haven't seen though tank imba yet | ||
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Trezeguet
United States2656 Posts
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fabiano
Brazil4644 Posts
thanks Smix!! | ||
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jalstar
United States8198 Posts
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mierin
United States4943 Posts
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saltywet
Hong Kong1316 Posts
circuit breaker looks to me to be the most balanced/new python/fighting spirit. relatively easy for terran to secure third, but will be relatively hard to push out due to the wide area in the middle the other maps look like pretty anti-terran to me on first impression. very easy to mass expand for in pvt or zvt and prevent the expansions from being taken down by terrans quickly. large flat areas in middle hill/aztec. on bloody ridge it looks like four gases can be gotten pretty damn easily for a zerg (2 lurkers on each ramp?) whilst terran has to walk out of base to transport defenses to their thirds. benzene has a backdoor to their main, incredibly long rush distance. terrans actually have to push uphill which makes it harder and theres a wide area after the push in which z or p can use to attack and delay push. actually, benzene is probably t favored two but to a lesser degree this is my noob analysis | ||
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Kimaker
United States2131 Posts
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HaruHaru
United States988 Posts
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Sea.JustGod
400 Posts
Benzene = Match Point Bloody Ridge = Heartbreak Ridge Middle Hill = Outsider SE Circuit Breakers = Fighting Spirit Empire of the sun = Eye of the Storm this is my opinion | ||
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CaffeineFree-_-
United States712 Posts
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Ducci
United States588 Posts
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hacklebeast
United States5090 Posts
edit: I fell silly after looking 3 posts up. | ||
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Kenpachi
United States9908 Posts
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konadora
Singapore66355 Posts
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Trap
United States395 Posts
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NeoOmega
United States495 Posts
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SagaZ
France3460 Posts
Punchbowl Area 12 v 2 and 6 v 8 will be battleroyalish I think | ||
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Neo7
United States922 Posts
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Sc1pio
United States823 Posts
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Altar
United States577 Posts
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SilverSkyLark
Philippines8437 Posts
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Boblion
France8043 Posts
On September 08 2010 09:11 Altar wrote: Bloody Ridge looks awesome Yes, it is my favourite too | ||
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GGTeMpLaR
United States7226 Posts
they should just copy every map like this into SC2 | ||
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Apex
United States7227 Posts
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konadora
Singapore66355 Posts
Benzene: a better match point imo. 5 gas per side, meaning turtling sides can be heavily punished by being out-expanded. narrow chokes to expos (except for fourth gas) makes this easy. we may see some proxy rax/zealot rushes at 3/9 o clock, but no bunker rush on high ground (you can't build there). so yeah, no bifrost-style rushing. routes are more viable as compared to match point, so i expect a lot of dynamic play here. Bloody Ridge: i like the concept behind this. quick fourth-gas available, but you can choose to go for early game pushes instead. holding the ridges (especially the center ones) will be extremely determinant as to whether you can push out or not, so turtling wouldn't be a viable choice here. unit pathing may be a bit screwed up in mid-late game though, since center of map = blue-storm style pathing. Aztec: Isn't Aztec that wall-powerpoint-to-internet-connection router company? lol Anyway, reverse map! low main, high nat. Positional imbalance is less obvious here, though a (comparatively) small mid + 5 gas per side may lead to huge turtling. Rush distances aren't that short either, so I'm expecting a lot of macro games to be played out here. (Sick job on the 1oclock water/temple combination btw) Middle Hill: Yet another map with the Fortress gate concept. I love this map. The center is just wide and huge, making way for awesome epic huge army battles. It's like a bastard child of "Central Plains" (a beta map that never made it) and God's Garden. The raised jungle terrain do raise concerns, as it may help out in Terran turtling a lot. Backyard expos are almost free and safe. seeing how the 2nd backyard expansion is protected by neutral eggs. Pathing issues still do remain a concern, but I'm really excited for this one. Circuit Breaker: Excellent map. Pushes can be easily flanked if not careful. Yet, at the same time, it does not deter mid-late game-orientated style of play. Center expansions do not seem viable for Protoss and Zerg to take though. Other than that, no real complaints. High ground near nat will be the key area to take control of in order to control the game. Icarus: Nothing much to say, a pretty standard 4-player map. Turtling as a Terran seems hard here. Hurray. Empire of the Sun: JAPANNNNNNNNNNNNN. A beefed up Eye of the Storm, yet seems somewhat fresh. Punchbowl Area: Lmao what is this i don't even Just looks fun as hell to play on. Non-cross position will be exciting as hell. The map that seems to promise the most dynamic games. | ||
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Trap
United States395 Posts
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konadora
Singapore66355 Posts
msg me on iccup @ konadora will be in channel: op irc | ||
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Yferi
United States90 Posts
Did they just have to make it that obvious? | ||
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konadora
Singapore66355 Posts
http://tv.zeroboy.net/konadora/ | ||
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MisterD
Germany1338 Posts
On September 08 2010 09:47 Yferi wrote: Empire of the Sun = Eye of the Storm Did they just have to make it that obvious? good eye xD | ||
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nitdkim
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Sigh
Canada2433 Posts
Anyway, really like Benzene, looks pretty sweet, as does Bloddy Ridge. Excited to see the programers play on these maps! | ||
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Lightwip
United States5497 Posts
On September 08 2010 05:34 darktreb wrote: I'd be shocked if FS was kept given how long it's been around. It goes down in the annals as one of the great maps of all time. It's probably the best and least controversial maps they've ever made. Removing it would be just stupid. | ||
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blahman3344
United States2015 Posts
So far my favorite is middle hill bacause of the backdoor expo (yes i am toss =P) | ||
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Kyuukyuu
Canada6263 Posts
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Harem
United States11393 Posts
On September 08 2010 10:13 Lightwip wrote: It's probably the best and least controversial maps they've ever made. Removing it would be just stupid. It's pretty much a given that FS is out as it is not even one of the maps that fans can vote on. 6 of the 8 new maps get voted in and 2 out of the 4 old maps get voted in. (old being polaris/grand/fortress/judgement) This is all subject to change though. | ||
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29 fps
United States5724 Posts
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Chaos
United States772 Posts
I initially didn't view it as much of a mech map but those bridges into that min only third were a pain to try and get through vs mech. | ||
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Milkis
5003 Posts
I ordered Zerglings to go in a certain way, and they all get stuck on the worker only gate =/ I think you can hide zerglings in those middle ridges and flank. I think that's the point of it, to be able to flank pushes really easily. | ||
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butter
United States785 Posts
On September 08 2010 09:34 konadora wrote: Middle Hill: Yet another map with the Fortress gate concept. I love this map. The center is just wide and huge, making way for awesome epic huge army battles. It's like a bastard child of "Central Plains" (a beta map that never made it) and God's Garden. My uninformed Googling suggests that 'Central Plains' is a possible translation for this map's name. | ||
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konadora
Singapore66355 Posts
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gaizka
United States991 Posts
I would like to have the starting positions on Bloody Ridge on the opposite corners. Expanding on Icarus seems impossible. I love Aztec. Empire of the Sun looks so pretty And Punchbowl Area it's the awesomest name of em all XD | ||
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Aquafresh
United States824 Posts
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l10f
United States3241 Posts
On September 08 2010 10:36 Chaos wrote: Played a pretty sick ZvT with lokiM on Benzene. He went mech and it resulted in a fun 30+ minute game with all bases taken at some point. I ended up losing at the end though -__- I initially didn't view it as much of a mech map but those bridges into that min only third were a pain to try and get through vs mech. Wait, you stood a chance against lokiM? Z imba map imo. | ||
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Chaos
United States772 Posts
On September 08 2010 12:15 l10f wrote: Wait, you stood a chance against lokiM? Z imba map imo. Sure lokiM and I play practice games all the time | ||
infinitestory
United States4053 Posts
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Trap
United States395 Posts
On September 08 2010 10:29 Harem wrote: It's pretty much a given that FS is out as it is not even one of the maps that fans can vote on. 6 of the 8 new maps get voted in and 2 out of the 4 old maps get voted in. (old being polaris/grand/fortress/judgement) This is all subject to change though. Hope they keep Polaris then, help out those struggling Protosses. | ||
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Magus
Canada450 Posts
Not sure why I'm complaining though, I play Zerg. | ||
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Musoeun
United States4324 Posts
First, I really want to start playing again now - maybe even get good! (I always say that. To date, I cracked D+ for a grand total of one game one season.) Alas, no time. Be that as it may, here are some quick thoughts: Benzene: Very similar to BS/MP in some respects. However, the high ground configuration of the bases is radically different from Blue Storm (especially in that they all have low ground between them), and this one lacks the "channels" around the high ground platforms. None of the potential third bases are going to be easy to defend without map control, but the near corners will likely be the standard thirds since they have both the small ramp and can be defended through the "staging area" that's also a base - similar to MP here. As-is, Terran may have problems: smaller chokes will make vulture raids a little harder (but also harder to destroy if they get through); I don't see where a dominating tank line can be set up that actually will affect economy. On the other hand, the long distances between bases might make m&m devastatingly effective, and small chokes make mech somewhat viable in the opening. Zerg will want to control the plateau closest to the main, especially in standard ZvT where mutalisks can defend the close 3rd gas. The middle is open enough that I feel Protoss who survive the early game, which may be a challenge, have the advantage going forward. P > T > Z = P. Bloody Ridge: Kooky concept! Not much to say, though: I feel like this is a Zerg map all day, as the ridges will break up Terran and Protoss attack paths but Zerg have fairly easy air options. The corner bases will never be used. P < T < Z > P. Aztec: Reminds me of a 3-player Byzantium for some reason, with hints of Polaris Rhapsody and Outsider. Assuming the minerals get positionally balanced, I feel like this has the best shot to be a classic map. I'm not going to try to make balance predictions though: I don't see anything to indicate it will warp too far from the standard. Big Map with a P in the Middle: Katrina meets Python, plus trees. Solid map for Protoss, except even better for Zerg with a free third. Non-Flash Terrans I expect to be lost and confused. I personally feel like the gates are gimmicky, but another solid map if the imbalance is better than I expect. P >> T < Z >> P. Circuit Breakers: This map is AWESOME. Shades of Andromeda, of course, but without the islands. Some elements last seen on Tornado. I think it would actually make a fascinating 2v2 map... but I digress. I really feel like the lack of features in the middle will make it a bad carrier map - unlike Andromeda - and so I'm not sure Protoss will have answers in the late game. The plateaus outside each main look like tailor-made Terran contain locations, adding to the problem. Z may have trouble without an easy third gas. Overall a Terran map. P = T > Z ? P. Icarus: Not sure what to think here. I think it's way too easy to get shut in your base on limited resources - kind of like Fortress - but the high ground does alleviate some of that concern. While it looks really cool, I don't think it's actually a good map. No further comments. Empire of the Sun: I noticed somebody said Odd-Eye, but to me this looks like R-Point more than anything. Not in layout, of course, but something about the feel of the map. Similar in other ways to Andromeda and that huge TvT map from a couple seasons back. PvT looks about right; TvZ I want to say will be problematic but the easy 3 gas gives Z a chance. Z>P will be a slaughter. I do really want this map to succeed though: I like it. Punchbowl: This map would be much better if it were a 2-player map with spawns in opposite corners. Either set of corners. I still like it the way it is, but the corner spawns would give some truly wild and revolutionary games, with echoes of Monty Hall. As is, I still think it's a brilliant map. Most likely going to be wildly imbalanced - and I'm not going to guess how - but the games should be amazing. My Top Three: Aztec, Empire of the Sun, Circuit Breakers Also Want to See: Icarus, Punchbowl | ||
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vek
Australia936 Posts
Now if only my BW would stop crashing | ||
GTR
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vx70GTOJudgexv
United States3161 Posts
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Garrl
Scotland1974 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](http://imgur.com/KFmc9.jpg) | ||
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Tristanity
Malaysia45 Posts
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BloodDrunK
Bangladesh2767 Posts
on the other hand, in spite of the names, the maps look pretty good especially Circuit Breakers. | ||
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Scaramanga
Australia8091 Posts
On September 08 2010 20:59 Garrl wrote: Imo, Benzene is nothing like Match Point, comparison pic: + Show Spoiler + Have a look at the expo positions and tell me it looks nothing like match point, also circut breakers is extremely similar to fighting spirit | ||
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er.misrah
United States55 Posts
Bloody Ridge: reminds me a bit of blue storm with that center path, and the type of vision hiding. While the idea is really cool- i am doubtful on how this map is going to play out... it looks nice enough, but really i feel like i am really speculating on this one Aztec- that map looks good for t, simply becuase mech is just going to be so strong on abusing that high ground, and defensive advantage. middle hill- while it has a great graphic, i feel that is going to be a grave yard for protoss in zvp, while zerg may have some problems in tvz- but i feel that tvz will still be ok, as well as tvp Circuit Breakers- has a resource layout like andromeda, and if terran can ever split the top half or bottom of the map the game is going to be over, once again i am seeing a really strong mech game for T in zvt, and the same goes for pvt. Icarus- looks just like fighting spirit, so i am going to be expecting the same type of game play, and balance- hopefully a great map! Empire of the sun: no comment Punchbowl: wow- i don't understand why kespa is doing this with maps, it's going to be a muta haven in zvt and for tvp the recalls are just going to be so easy and so amazing lol | ||
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arb
Noobville17921 Posts
On September 08 2010 00:33 fIamewheel91 wrote: I'm thinking terran imba on all these maps. Got to look at them more carefully. blood ridge/benzene are the only ones that look reallllly terran favored to me..the way the middle is designed on ridge will be lol put tanks here wut you cant do shit. benzene has alot of tight chokes, however 2-3 of the maps have reallly open mids which will favor p/z in TvP/Z | ||
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YPang
United States4024 Posts
On September 08 2010 00:33 fIamewheel91 wrote: I'm thinking terran imba on all these maps. Got to look at them more carefully. wtf? ......... | ||
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alffla
Hong Kong20321 Posts
new maps seen on TL? instant terran imba | ||
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Invictus
Singapore2697 Posts
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Elyvilon
United States13143 Posts
Katrina is T >> P because tank imba amirite | ||
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konadora
Singapore66355 Posts
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er.misrah
United States55 Posts
This goes for anyone, if you want to play- just shoot me a pm! | ||
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konadora
Singapore66355 Posts
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Chaos
United States772 Posts
On September 09 2010 00:21 konadora wrote: anyone up for games? I'll play some | ||
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
I can't think of a reason why 2 positions on Icarus and Punchbowl would face the mineral lines into open space while the other two face the edge of the map. | ||
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lokiM
United States3407 Posts
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Jakalo
Latvia2350 Posts
Middle hill provides some great opportunities for lurker/tanks abuse as you can drop/walk on both of expansions, regular natural looks way safer. Middle completely open + a picture, instant python feeling i like it. Punchbowl arena on the second look isnt so attractive, why imba spawn locations (9-7, 3-1 ZvT) + small chokes by the natural to provide some pathing problems. Empire of the sun looks nice and bland. Probably will be the most balanced (and boring of them all) I like Circuit Beakers. As much as I despise low ground mains, Actez seems nice and YAY for return of 3-player maps (along with Middle hill) Benzene is like upgraded match point with 2 extra expos and opportunities for some nice cheese (destructible buildings). Gogogogo next Pro-league season. | ||
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vectorix108
United States4633 Posts
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Severedevil
United States4839 Posts
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Wings
United States999 Posts
... except for Empire of the Sun and Punchbowl Arena. Old maps reincarnated what? p.s. Flash will RAPE Benzene. It's so bad for Zerg. | ||
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Bwenjarin Raffrack
United States322 Posts
On September 09 2010 01:34 Severedevil wrote: Map features that are good for tanks and turtling are pretty obvious, whereas map features that promote Protoss/Zerg play are a little more subtle. Hence the common reaction of "Terran maps". Sounds about right. It seems like everyone's first glance over any map is what you can hit with tanks from where or how many gases Terran can turtle. I'd like to say that our initial map evaluations get better over time, but I think it's more prudent to wait for the games and Bisu's interviews before we really pass judgment. On April 07 2009 13:50 Carnivorous Sheep wrote: Battle Royal(e?) seems like it's gonna be a Zerg graveyard. On April 07 2009 12:52 IdrA wrote: i dont think theres gonna be many z's playing on battle royale at all 8 rax -> mech is ridiculously strong due to the rush distances and the tight chokes, if they pool first you just defend behind your assims and the vulture is out before their hatch is done, if they hatch first the bunker rush rapes them. On April 07 2009 13:52 IdrA wrote: i dont really know how outsider is gonna play out battle royale is massively anti zerg gods garden is massively anti terran heartbreak ridge seems like its gonna favor terran On April 06 2009 17:41 Samurai- wrote: Outsider looks insanely lame.. | ||
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Jakalo
Latvia2350 Posts
On September 09 2010 02:01 Bwenjarin Raffrack wrote: Sounds about right. It seems like everyone's first glance over any map is what you can hit with tanks from where or how many gases Terran can turtle. I'd like to say that our initial map evaluations get better over time, but I think it's more prudent to wait for the games and Bisu's interviews before we really pass judgment. Haha, nice touch, very nice. | ||
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FabledIntegral
United States9232 Posts
On September 08 2010 00:41 klizzer wrote: Some pretty open maps there. No ash world tileset T_T (loved outsider) Anyway, thanks for the info Milkis/Smix! First thing I thought. Maybe it's because I now subconsciously am comparing to SC2 maps though. | ||
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Sprouter
United States1724 Posts
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thrslimde
Germany57 Posts
I don't wanna play PvT on 9 vs 12 or 3 vs 6. Looks horrible for the toss. | ||
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vOddy
Sweden402 Posts
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ArvickHero
10387 Posts
On September 09 2010 02:01 Bwenjarin Raffrack wrote: Sounds about right. It seems like everyone's first glance over any map is what you can hit with tanks from where or how many gases Terran can turtle. I'd like to say that our initial map evaluations get better over time, but I think it's more prudent to wait for the games and Bisu's interviews before we really pass judgment. wow these are fuckin gold LOL | ||
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MiyaviTeddy
Canada697 Posts
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Sea.JustGod
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Chaos
United States772 Posts
On September 09 2010 10:12 MiyaviTeddy wrote: So where are these map being played by TL? iccup? on iccup in channel: op irc | ||
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Wonders
Australia753 Posts
On September 09 2010 03:53 thrslimde wrote: I really like the new maps - but seriously Kespa, did you smoke pot while selecting Punchbowl Area? I don't wanna play PvT on 9 vs 12 or 3 vs 6. Looks horrible for the toss. The mapmakers surely recognized this, so I doubt that tanks can pass through that narrow choke near the gas. | ||
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Torenhire
United States11681 Posts
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SHr3DD3r
Pakistan2137 Posts
Can't .... stop.... laughing | ||
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konadora
Singapore66355 Posts
On September 09 2010 02:01 Bwenjarin Raffrack wrote: Sounds about right. It seems like everyone's first glance over any map is what you can hit with tanks from where or how many gases Terran can turtle. I'd like to say that our initial map evaluations get better over time, but I think it's more prudent to wait for the games and Bisu's interviews before we really pass judgment. wow fucking gold post here lol | ||
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maybenexttime
Poland5651 Posts
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guMmiwormz
United States312 Posts
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OPSavioR
Sweden1465 Posts
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Deleted User 31060
3788 Posts
benzene looks nothing like benzene. And bloody ridge? wtf. | ||
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MangoTango
United States3670 Posts
On September 09 2010 02:01 Bwenjarin Raffrack wrote: Sounds about right. It seems like everyone's first glance over any map is what you can hit with tanks from where or how many gases Terran can turtle. I'd like to say that our initial map evaluations get better over time, but I think it's more prudent to wait for the games and Bisu's interviews before we really pass judgment. Give this man a content star. Epic post. | ||
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jalstar
United States8198 Posts
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Hyperionnn
Turkey4968 Posts
free scouting? wtf? lets go every single game same build over and over until we are bored as hell | ||
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moopie
12605 Posts
On September 10 2010 06:16 Hyperionnn wrote: I have only 1 problem for some of these maps free scouting? wtf? lets go every single game same build over and over until we are bored as hell Bloody Ridge will suck from a scouting perspective, assuming its picked we'll have to see how things turn out, though yeah it will likely lead to far less daring openings. | ||
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Ricjames
Czech Republic1047 Posts
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Kanil
United States1713 Posts
God I love looking at new maps. I don't know why, it's just fun. | ||
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vOddy
Sweden402 Posts
On September 10 2010 08:20 Ricjames wrote: I am really looking forward to see pro's handling these maps. Some of them look terran favorite though and none of them looks really good for protoss, i guess dark age for protoss is coming.. Dark age of Protoss has been here for a while now there's going to be a demon invasion on top of it. | ||
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darktreb
United States3016 Posts
On September 10 2010 06:16 Hyperionnn wrote: I have only 1 problem for some of these maps free scouting? wtf? lets go every single game same build over and over until we are bored as hell Why does everyone keep saying this? You can still send units to defend the gate entrance if you want to deny scouting. It just takes extra work now - could be great mind games. | ||
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catabowl
United States815 Posts
But mostly, I think this map pool LOOKS to be a little on Zerg side. | ||
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Holgerius
Sweden16951 Posts
On September 09 2010 02:01 Bwenjarin Raffrack wrote: Sounds about right. It seems like everyone's first glance over any map is what you can hit with tanks from where or how many gases Terran can turtle. I'd like to say that our initial map evaluations get better over time, but I think it's more prudent to wait for the games and Bisu's interviews before we really pass judgment. Roflololol. XD | ||
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matjlav
Germany2435 Posts
On September 09 2010 02:01 Bwenjarin Raffrack wrote: Sounds about right. It seems like everyone's first glance over any map is what you can hit with tanks from where or how many gases Terran can turtle. I'd like to say that our initial map evaluations get better over time, but I think it's more prudent to wait for the games and Bisu's interviews before we really pass judgment. ROFL how did you find these quotes? this post is amazing. my favorite part is the third quote, where idra's overall analysis of the map imba of all 3 maps is exactly wrong. | ||
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blahman3344
United States2015 Posts
So I tested out these maps and i found the following: * the 12 o clock expansion for aztec requires 4 probes on gas because one of the end mineral patches is placed 1 matrix too low, so you can't build the nexus closer to the gas (the very top right matrix is red) * the bottom left expo for bloody hill requires 4 probes on gas because there is some weird glitch with the probes that they come out of the bottom of the geyser, further away from the nexus. | ||
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soujiro_
Uruguay5195 Posts
On September 10 2010 11:34 matjlav wrote: ROFL how did you find these quotes? this post is amazing. my favorite part is the third quote, where idra's overall analysis of the map imba of all 3 maps is exactly wrong. this series of quotes should be spotlighted | ||
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mierin
United States4943 Posts
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Lightningbullet
United States507 Posts
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Harem
United States11393 Posts
On September 10 2010 12:36 mierin wrote: o.O Yeah IdrA must be playing way too much SC2... Err, that was when those maps were brand new. Also, for example, the BR quote was like right as the map came out and before zergs found out that they could kill their own geysers to stop 8rax -> vult. Certain maps aren't going to be figured out in a day due to the sheer strategical nature of them. However, it doesn't take long for more standard macro maps to be figured out. On April 07 2009 10:37 IdrA wrote: its so huge that no kind of rushes or timing attacks have any chance, and its impossible for terran to take a 4th base, so basically you just turtle and hope your one big army is enough to kill them. and tvz is literally impossible to win. 3 free gas and the longest rush distances ever. by the time your marines get to one of the 4 expos they took they have ultralisks. On May 18 2009 21:23 IdrA wrote: ya the gas and the massive rush distances. both naturals are muta-abusable too. | ||
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kineSiS-
Korea (South)1068 Posts
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ArvickHero
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ArvickHero
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aimaimaim
Philippines2167 Posts
On September 10 2010 18:51 ArvickHero wrote: This is getting on my nerves.. Last year, beta PL maps, easily one of the most exciting things of Proleague, would have been featured on the front page spotlight or community news and features instantly.. 10 pages later, nothing. Same goes for almost every other note-worthy thread that gets posted in the Broodwar section.. :\ QFT .. but i guess people change .. | ||
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Ricjames
Czech Republic1047 Posts
On September 10 2010 18:51 ArvickHero wrote: This is getting on my nerves.. Last year, beta PL maps, easily one of the most exciting things of Proleague, would have been featured on the front page spotlight or community news and features instantly.. 10 pages later, nothing. Same goes for almost every other note-worthy thread that gets posted in the Broodwar section.. :\ It does piss me off too, TL administration almost does not care about brood war news anymore. The Liquid weekly has nothing from brood war at all. I am starting to hate SC2 more and more every day. I have to stop, cause my face is turning rage red | ||
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PineappleLumpsToss
New Zealand2434 Posts
There's definitely been a change in the focus of the coverage, but that was to be expected I think. While it feels like the balance isn't quite right as a BW fan, I'd remind everybody that it's the BW off-season, and that the TL admins have a proven record of doing what they do well - I'd say it's way too early to be criticising them. Just my 2c. | ||
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Hyde
Australia14568 Posts
On September 10 2010 19:29 Ricjames wrote: It does piss me off too, TL administration almost does not care about brood war news anymore. The Liquid weekly has nothing from brood war at all. I am starting to hate SC2 more and more every day. I have to stop, cause my face is turning rage red The Liquid Weekly has always been about SC2 and the progress of the team. It was not meant for BW. BW still makes the headlines though, so that's cool. Man looking at the calendar makes me a little depressed lol not many BW events (off season )I was trying to wall off on Punch Bowl only to find out that there's another way into the nat LOL. You can still wall off though, kinda | ||
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tommya
Canada52 Posts
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Hyde
Australia14568 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + Pictures for reference ![[image loading]](http://www.teamliquid.net/staff/keit/r5proleaguebanner.jpg) ![[image loading]](http://www.teamliquid.net/staff/Hot_Bid/TLFE/Mani_Proleague_Cover.jpg) I don't see any other logos on the other maps. | ||
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tommya
Canada52 Posts
On September 10 2010 20:26 Hyde wrote: The P in the Middle Hill map probably stands for Proleague since it looks the same. + Show Spoiler + Pictures for reference I don't see any other logos on the other maps. Neat, thanks. | ||
JWD
United States12607 Posts
On September 10 2010 19:29 Ricjames wrote: It does piss me off too, TL administration almost does not care about brood war news anymore. The Liquid weekly has nothing from brood war at all. I am starting to hate SC2 more and more every day. I have to stop, cause my face is turning rage red The Liquid` weekly does not cover Brood War because (go figure) it is about Team Liquid` which is a StarCraft 2 team. Also I would point your attention to the other articles in our News section, which cover all of the major BW leagues currently in progress (and in great depth too). I can see two BW-exclusive articles in the sidebar right now, not to mention League Standings, TLPD (which defaults to BW), Power Rank (which is BW), and ON AIR listing including WCG USA (BW). | ||
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synapse
China13814 Posts
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EvanED
United States111 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + It'll be interesting to see Bloody Ridge games, assuming that map is chosen. | ||
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konadora
Singapore66355 Posts
On September 12 2010 05:57 JWD wrote: The Liquid` weekly does not cover Brood War because (go figure) it is about Team Liquid` which is a StarCraft 2 team. Also I would point your attention to the other articles in our News section, which cover all of the major BW leagues currently in progress (and in great depth too). I can see two BW-exclusive articles in the sidebar right now, not to mention League Standings, TLPD (which defaults to BW), Power Rank (which is BW), and ON AIR listing including WCG USA (BW). Just to chip in, but I have to agree with the first two nested quotes. Ever since release of beta, BW hasn't been getting any spotlight. There were times I felt that there were important interviews, news posts or threads that SHOULD be in the front page (or spotlighted at least), but it never happened. Not just once, but several dozen times afaik. I know that with SC2, TL is leaning more towards SC2, but that doesn't mean BW should be ignored other than the OSL/MSL/PL news posts (that the news coverage team is doing an excellent job of). On-topic: game anyone? | ||
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BLinD-RawR
ALLEYCAT BLUES50569 Posts
On September 12 2010 11:41 konadora wrote: Just to chip in, but I have to agree with the first two nested quotes. Ever since release of beta, BW hasn't been getting any spotlight. There were times I felt that there were important interviews, news posts or threads that SHOULD be in the front page (or spotlighted at least), but it never happened. Not just once, but several dozen times afaik. I know that with SC2, TL is leaning more towards SC2, but that doesn't mean BW should be ignored other than the OSL/MSL/PL news posts (that the news coverage team is doing an excellent job of). On-topic: game anyone? but again balancing news work between 2 communities is hard.I feel that its easier to just focus on the main events of BW while going full blown on SC2 since its a new game and people want to know everything about it. On topic:If you are gonna be online for another hour or so I'm game(I'm only D/D- though) | ||
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emperorchampion
Canada9496 Posts
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emperorchampion
Canada9496 Posts
On September 12 2010 11:50 BLinD-RawR wrote: but again balancing news work between 2 communities is hard.I feel that its easier to just focus on the main events of BW while going full blown on SC2 since its a new game and people want to know everything about it. On topic:If you are gonna be online for another hour or so I'm game(I'm only D/D- though) ggs btw :D | ||
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BLinD-RawR
ALLEYCAT BLUES50569 Posts
GG to you too Benzene has some serious pathing issues on the natural.Especially around the the ramp and gas. | ||
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Servius_Fulvius
United States947 Posts
![[image loading]](http://www.windows2universe.org/life/images/benzene_1.gif) Edit: Middle Hill/Source - 4 bases, 4 gas, 2 chokes (one of which is blocked by eggs). The zerg in me likes this... | ||
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Jakalo
Latvia2350 Posts
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defuzas
248 Posts
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Kenpachi
United States9908 Posts
On September 10 2010 19:29 Ricjames wrote: It does piss me off too, TL administration almost does not care about brood war news anymore. The Liquid weekly has nothing from brood war at all. I am starting to hate SC2 more and more every day. I have to stop, cause my face is turning rage red wow i didnt even remember the Final edits about the maps | ||
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BLinD-RawR
ALLEYCAT BLUES50569 Posts
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thedeadhaji
39489 Posts
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Hyde
Australia14568 Posts
On September 13 2010 14:23 thedeadhaji wrote: damn... should i install broodwar?? >< Why would you uninstall it in the first place? | ||
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BLinD-RawR
ALLEYCAT BLUES50569 Posts
On September 13 2010 15:17 Hyde wrote: Why would you uninstall it in the first place? windows 7.... | ||
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Hyde
Australia14568 Posts
Try this, hasn't worked for everyone but it has for some people, might work for you. | ||
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thedeadhaji
39489 Posts
On September 13 2010 15:17 Hyde wrote: Why would you uninstall it in the first place? I dont think I ever had broodwar on this computer (like 2 years) | ||
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pred470r
Bulgaria3265 Posts
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Pafnucy
Poland1124 Posts
On September 12 2010 11:50 BLinD-RawR wrote: but again balancing news work between 2 communities is hard.I feel that its easier to just focus on the main events of BW while going full blown on SC2 since its a new game and people want to know everything about it. On topic:If you are gonna be online for another hour or so I'm game(I'm only D/D- though) added bold font. Minimization Arrows for news anyone? This way BW news wouldn't be ignored because it would spam away sc2 experience for hundreds of new users. Everyone would choose what content he/she wants to appear. Otherwise there might be ideas like Full transition thought as a way of having sc2 liquibet, sc2 powerrank. | ||
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meegrean
Thailand7699 Posts
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ArvickHero
10387 Posts
On September 13 2010 18:16 meegrean wrote: Testing maps won't be much use if map-makers don't adjust the maps based on progamers' recommendations for balance. yea, what happened to the progamer map testing events? Every year they had SOME sort of map test going on I think, last year being pretty entertaining.. dammit I just want some form of Proleague to tide me over until 10-11 Season finally starts D: | ||
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MuffinDude
United States3837 Posts
On September 13 2010 18:16 meegrean wrote: Testing maps won't be much use if map-makers don't adjust the maps based on progamers' recommendations for balance. Pretty sure they'll get progamers to test it too, they're just releasing it to the public first so that they can get initial feedback. | ||
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Zona
40426 Posts
Battle Royale... | ||
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matjlav
Germany2435 Posts
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Heimatloser
Germany1494 Posts
just made for microing fucktons of dragoons, but just enough cliffs for carrier play. here we go for some new golden age of toss just kidding, golden age of flash wont end but toss can be the new threat to him | ||
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MoriyaGXP
Korea (South)240 Posts
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BLinD-RawR
ALLEYCAT BLUES50569 Posts
On September 14 2010 15:21 MoriyaGXP wrote: Death of OSL, MSL died too? seriously who said anything about the leagues dying?OSL and MSL will continue,most probably without Gretech support. On topic though I still haven't tried middle hill yet.Macro heaven. | ||
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moopie
12605 Posts
On September 14 2010 15:21 MoriyaGXP wrote: Death of OSL, MSL died too? Nothing is dead -_- | ||
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eNyoron
United States170 Posts
4 hatch muta spam into 8 hatch muta spam anybody? Natural, two backdoor expos and very little space behind the mineral lines. Then again, toss can have really strong FE/sair play, but it looks like a TvZ nightmare. | ||
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konadora
Singapore66355 Posts
no pool 4 hatch 4 gas REALLY seems like a strong build, especially if the opponent is going 14cc or 12nexus or some shit. could lead to a lot of interesting games on that map. | ||
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pred470r
Bulgaria3265 Posts
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FlaShFTW
United States10219 Posts
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deL
Australia5540 Posts
Circuit Breakers and Benzene get the thumbs up; Aztec gets a thumbs down! | ||
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zobz
Canada2175 Posts
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Doraemon
Australia14949 Posts
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Hesmyrr
Canada5776 Posts
On September 09 2010 02:01 Bwenjarin Raffrack wrote: Sounds about right. It seems like everyone's first glance over any map is what you can hit with tanks from where or how many gases Terran can turtle. I'd like to say that our initial map evaluations get better over time, but I think it's more prudent to wait for the games and Bisu's interviews before we really pass judgment. Oh my god, just looking at the people who is saying all these things just make it much more amazing lololol | ||
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Rio
Vietnam598 Posts
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vectorix108
United States4633 Posts
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DMXD
United States4064 Posts
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NeCroPoTeNce
United States513 Posts
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ArvickHero
10387 Posts
On September 15 2010 12:21 NeCroPoTeNce wrote: Badass names for some badass maps. For once Kespa doesn't bullshit us with maps *cough* Great Barrier Reef *cough* I have to question your intelligence since that map was made by OGN | ||
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Katsuge
Singapore7730 Posts
proxy proxy proxy proxy proxy shits baby! | ||
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dukethegold
Canada5645 Posts
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moopie
12605 Posts
+ Show Spoiler [Changelist (korean)] + 안녕하세요 (사)한국e스포츠협회입니다. 현재 진행 중인 프로리그 공식맵 선정 이벤트와 관련하여, 테스트맵에 수정사항이 있어 배포 해드립니다. 테스트에 참여해주시는 분들은 첨부된 맵을 다운로드하여 참여 해주시기 바랍니다. ▶ 프로리그 10-11시즌 1R 테스트맵 목록 (2)Benzene 0.90 (2)피의 능선 0.91 → 수정 (3)Aztec 0.91 → 수정 (3)中原 0.91 (4)Circuit Breakers 0.91 (4)Icarus 0.90 (4)펀치볼 지구 0.91 → 수정 (4)태양의 제국 0.90 ▣ 맵별 수정사항 ▶ 피의 능선 0.91버전 수정사항 - 중앙 계곡 지역 전체적으로 축소 - 앞마당 가스 5,000으로 원상복귀 - 앞마당 주변에 오버로드가 떠있을 수 있는 절벽지형 생성 - 본진입구 폭 넓게 수정 - 앞마당 가스가 쉽게 견제 받는 부분 수정 - 본진 양 끝 특수 문 중에 본진 안쪽에 설치된 미네랄 제거 (외부에서 내부로 진입 불가) ▶ 중원 0.91버전 수정사항 - 본진 미네랄 9 → 10개 증가. 앞마당 미네랄 6 → 8개 증가. 뒷마당 미네랄 7 → 8개 증가 - 앞마당ㆍ뒷마당 미네랄 1,000 / 가스 5,000으로 수정 - 개방형 온리 미네랄 멀티 자원량 1,000으로 감소 - 언덕멀티에서 아래쪽 미네랄 멀티에 탱크 공격 불가능하도록 수정 - 1배럭 2서플로 앞마당 진입로를 막을 수 있도록 수정 ▶ Circuit Breakers 0.91버전 수정사항 - 3, 6, 9, 12시 가스량 3,000→ 5,000으로 증가 - 앞마당 가스 위치를 바깥쪽으로 이동 - 앞마당 입구 크기를 7칸에서 8칸으로 늘임 (1배럭 2서플로 막지 못함) - 앞마당쪽 다리를 바깥으로 약간 옮겨 러쉬 거리를 약간 늘림 - 센터쪽 다리 앞에 건물을 지을 수 없게 수정 - 우회로 언덕을 짧게하여 돌아가는 거리를 짧게 함. - 미네랄 멀티를 파일런 4개정도로 방어할 수 있게 안쪽으로 이동. 6시ㆍ12시에서 탱크포격 불가 - 12, 6시 우회로 언덕 입구 크기를 넓힘 ▶ 펀치볼 지구 0.91버전 수정사항 - 앞마당 옆 샛길에 벙커를 짓지 못하도록 수정 (캐논, 성큰은 건설 가능) - 5시ㆍ11시 멀티가 완전 섬멀티로 변경. 커맨드 날림 방지 미네랄 설치 Source. + Show Spoiler [Google Translate] + 1R Pro League 10-11 season teseuteumaep list (2) Benzene 0.90 (2) Bloody Ridge 0.91 → Edit (3) Aztec 0.91 → Edit (3) 中原 0.91 (4) Circuit Breakers 0.91 (4) Icarus 0.90 (4) Punchbowl Area 0.91 → Edit (4) Empire of the Sun 0.90 ▣ Map pool fixes Version 0.91 fixes ▶ Bloody Ridge - Overall reduction in the central valley - 5000 to reinstate the gas yard - Overload floating around the front yard to create a cliff terrain - Modify the headquarters entrance to a wide range of - Yard receiving part of the gas can easily modify the containment - Ends headquarters installed inside the headquarters of a special statement minerals removed (from the outside can not enter) Version 0.91 fixes in midfield ▶ - 9 → 10 개 minerals increased headquarters. 6 → 8 개 mineral yard gain. 7 → 8 개 backyard increased mineral - 1000 yard and backyard minerals, gas, modified 5000 - Only open multi-mineral loss in the stock 1000 - Multi-minerals in the bottom of the hill in multi-tank modified to not attack - 1 2 Supple Barack modified to block the driveway to the front yard ▶ Circuit Breakers 0.91 version fixes - 3, 6, 9, 12 3,000 → 5,000 increase in gas - Front yard where the gas moves outward - The size of the entrance to the front yard in Cannes 7 8 Khan Increases (1 Barack unable to stop the two Supplements) - Apmadangjjok Rush moved slightly to the outside leg slightly increasing the distance - Senteojjok can not build a bridge in front of the building modifications - A short detour to the hill a short distance and should go back. - Minerals Multi pailreon four amendments moved to the inside of the road to defend. 6:00 and 12 tanks bombarded the city can not be - 12, 6:00 bypass the entrance to the hill neolhim size Version 0.91 fixes Punchbowl Area ▶ - Whilst the bunker on the front yard next to the alley to prevent modification (Canon, can be constructed seongkeuneun) - 5:00 and 11:00 to complete multi-seommeoltiro change. Mineral lick and install anti-Command OP images and download link should be updated (preferably with proper changelist translations) | ||
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swanized
Canada2480 Posts
On September 14 2010 21:23 eNyoron wrote: Looking at middle hill... 4 hatch muta spam into 8 hatch muta spam anybody? Natural, two backdoor expos and very little space behind the mineral lines. Then again, toss can have really strong FE/sair play, but it looks like a TvZ nightmare. You NEVER have too much TvZ nightmares | ||
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jalstar
United States8198 Posts
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Lyle
United Kingdom4 Posts
This map could be dangerous. There are big holes so units could fall through into space. Hopefully KESPA do not use this until they put up some safety-rails Bloody Ridge This map looks fun. Up and down, up and down! Just like a roller-coaster! Aztec What are those colourful circles doing in peoples bases? They might be distracting. Middle Hill/Source There are trees around the logo, but none on it. Have they been cut down to make way for the logo? Does this mean Korea Air supports deforestation? I can't approve this! Circuit Breakers Has promise, but needs many Ursadons. Icarus I don't like the things in the middle Empire of the Sun What? This won't work; rain will just collect in the middle. Punchbowl Area I don't like this map. Hopefully they use it, so I learn to be more tolerant. | ||
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Omegon
Sweden54 Posts
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konadora
Singapore66355 Posts
▶ Bloody Ridge v 0.91 changes - Made the ridges more narrow. - Middle-route expansion now has 5000 gas. - Converted surround area to high ground cliff instead of water for middle-route expansion for overlord placement. - Widened entrance to middle-route expansion - Changed how the middle-route expansion's geyser can be easily harassed - Removed mineral near the gates inside the main so that infinite scouting is now impossible. ▶ Central Plains v 0.91 changes - Main now has 10 mineral fields (from 9), natural has 8 (from 6) and backyard expo has 8 (from 7). - Backyard and natural expansions' minerals are valued at 1000, gas at 5000. - Mineral-only expansion's minerals are valued at 1000 now. - Made it impossible for mineral-only expansion to be sieged from the nearby high ground expansion. - Made it possible for a 2 depot 1 rax wall-off at ramp. ▶ Circuit Breakers v 0.91 changes - Increased gas value at 3,6,9,12 o'clock expansions from 3000 to 5000. - Changed nat's geyser positionings - Increased nat's entrance from 7 grids to 8 grids (no more 2 depot 1 rax wall-in) - Pushed forward the 2 bridges at the natural to slightly increase the rush distance. - Made the area near the bridges at the center of map unbuildable - Made the alternate hill route shorter to make re-routing faster - Made it possible for mineral-only to be defended with around 4 pylons - Mineral-only cannot be sieged from 6/12 o'clock expansions - Widened ramp to 6/12 o'clock expansions ▶ Punchball Area v 0.91 changes - Made it impossible for bunkers to be built at the mini-path near the naturals (cannons and sunkens can still be built) - 5 o'clock and 11 o'clock expansions are now island expansions. Anti-CC minerals added. | ||
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konadora
Singapore66355 Posts
http://www.teamliquid.net/video/userstream.php?user=Kiante http://tv.zeroboy.net/konadora/ | ||
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emperorchampion
Canada9496 Posts
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Crimson)S(hadow
Philippines586 Posts
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Kiante
Australia7069 Posts
Aztec is a reallllyyy hard map. Theres so many narrow ramps that moving an army to kill an expo takes FOREVER omg D: Drops are REALLY strong, especially as i tried to take my third really fast. Vulture harass at my third while dropping my main was brutal considering the distance between them.. That being said i won the game with a bunch of recalls, so it works both ways ^_^. Theres HEAPS of expos to take on this and they all feel kinda safe from pushes because of the ramps. Circuit breakers was a more "standard" map. nice and open to make push breaking easy but also good for vulture/harass drops due to the pure size. But really its like a grand line clone but more open. Attacking the nat is hard because of the bridges (i tried to push over the bridges and got raped) and late game was harrrddd. seems like a competant protoss would have an easy time here. getting a third gas is kinda hard, could forsee this being difficult for zerg | ||
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LxRogue
United States1415 Posts
Ohh the logo is supposed to be the "P" in proleague. It looks a bit like a hammer and sickle xD I thought it was an interesting change from a swastika, which people are always seeing in the center of maps. | ||
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CCa1ss1e
Canada3231 Posts
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Lightwip
United States5497 Posts
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ArbAttack
Canada198 Posts
Conversely, Middle Hill seems nice PvT with that wide open middle. | ||
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Kal_rA
United States2925 Posts
interested to see what they can actually do with this | ||
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SoulSever
Canada779 Posts
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kXn
254 Posts
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BLinD-RawR
ALLEYCAT BLUES50569 Posts
On October 15 2010 00:42 kXn wrote: Any chances we might see some of these maps on iCCup? join OP teamliquid...people are looking for games there right now. | ||
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maybenexttime
Poland5651 Posts
On October 15 2010 00:40 SoulSever wrote: Punchbowl looks alot like a BW version of Metalopolis. Looks like a good set of maps, alot of them seem to revolve around 2-base play though 2-base play as in? ^___^;; | ||
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pathy
Taiwan619 Posts
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tree.hugger
Philadelphia, PA10406 Posts
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goswser
United States3548 Posts
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Zergneedsfood
United States10671 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + And then I think of Desert Oasis and Kulas Ravine, and I facepalm at the comparisons. | ||
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Corrupt
Bulgaria1312 Posts
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Ryo
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trulla
Chile303 Posts
that link is blocked by google | ||
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Hyde
Australia14568 Posts
It's safe, don't worry about the warning, Google always shows a warning for the Korean websites. | ||
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kXn
254 Posts
On Aztec you can fly to the 8'o clock and 12'o clock positions from 3 sides, but the bottom right main only from 2 sides. Middle hill has a similar issue, where the top and bottom left positions are accessible by air from 2 sides only while the 3'o clock position is accessible by air from 3 sides. Is this considered negligible when it comes to actual games? | ||
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ArvickHero
10387 Posts
wait middle hill is central plains my bad lol | ||
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