I haven't even seen the major peak period of Bisu, so I just comment from what I've seen in his recent season - and I'm not impressed at all. He looks like someone capable of being really great, but not working hard enough for it, and also throwing away games with cheesy play. He doesn't seem primarily focused on his Starcraft carrier, I noticed that in the brain diagram with his main thoughts in one of the ceremonies. He really should get more serious and focused and not be distracted by useless stardom.

night terrors

China1284 Posts

August 19 2010 18:46 GMT

#83

Well, to be fair, he's done a lot in his career. Not everyone is like Flash who's all like iMa Be GUnA WIN Al TEH leeguz, and its silly to judge people to those standards. Who cares? The guy won his leagues, made his money, made significant progress in PvZ, maybe he doesnt care about being the top player, he's just going along at his pace.

hejakev

Sweden518 Posts

August 19 2010 18:53 GMT

#84

Edit: Awww I got trolled :/ I thought this was a serious thread hahah

ninini

Sweden1204 Posts

August 19 2010 18:56 GMT

#85

The last 2 months, Bisu have beaten Jaedong, Roro, "Clam" and Action (twice), and he have only lost to Effort. So he's 4(5)-1 against pretty much the top 5 Zergs right now. I don't think he have ever been better at PvZ than he is right now. He have a solid PvP on top of that, definately on par with Kal, Stats and the other top Protosses. The only thing you can really blame is his PvT, but you have to remember that Bisu is the revolutionist. When he was at his peak, noone had figured out his weaknesses yet, and now it seems his PvT had some major flaws. I think that if Bisu and Best put their minds together, and tried to learn from eachother, that we would have 2 solid Protosses in the future. But being a Protoss player myself, they have probably tried and failed. There's a reason why there are no Protoss who is Ace class at all matchups, because unlike for the other races, the Protoss matchups requires way different mentalities. PvZ is more about defense and picking your opponent apart little by little. PvT on the other hand is more about expanding really fast, and putting pressure on your opponent. In PvT you have a resource-advantage, but a weaker army-force. In PvZ, you have a resource disadvantage but a stronger army.

Revolt

United States288 Posts

August 19 2010 19:00 GMT

#86

think the cow's been milked(bisu that is).
i only remember him doing innovative things, reaver/sair.
after that people caught on and i guess he fell off.
he served his purpose, no such thing as a slump (when someone says slump it irritates me, because he'll never regain his status, seriously)
even if he does win consecutively(not talking about going 10-0wtf, doesnt mean he'll be at his prime again).
people said boxer was in a slump, pfffft.

also, after a while bisu's play started to become boring, thus i started watching foreigners play.

Piste

6165 Posts

August 19 2010 19:13 GMT

#87

How many games would it take for Bisu to get back to his Peak?

Well, he would have to win 20 games STRAIGHT to get back

hahaha.
just another Bisu hater. god i love them. so funny.

ZZangDreamjOy

Canada959 Posts

August 19 2010 19:16 GMT

#88

He wasn't exactly a revolutionary. I remember a Kingdom interview where he explained that BeSt actually came up with all these strategies, but only Bisu had the multitasking ability to pull it off.

HeadhunteR

Argentina1258 Posts

August 19 2010 19:23 GMT

#89

You cant say bisu hasnt been a valuable team asset in recent SKT history.. and also you cant hide the fact that he was worse off some months back which is in turn reflected in ELO which is know for having a "Delay" in showing real skill. I have to say that the tone of the article is pretty agressive becouse if your point is that Bisu is gone then its not entirely true, becouse in the latest matches he has been seen playing much better and more consistently than most tosses, yeah even free. If your point is that the semi bonjwa uber player bisu is gone then you are right he is no where near the level of play he had at this time last year.. which was about some time (a couple of months) before he got eliminated out of the msl by a now lackluster but then up and coming player: shine.

luanshuju

United States43 Posts

August 19 2010 19:31 GMT

#90

On August 20 2010 04:16 ZZangDreamjOy wrote:
He wasn't exactly a revolutionary. I remember a Kingdom interview where he explained that BeSt actually came up with all these strategies, but only Bisu had the multitasking ability to pull it off.

Wait, so best is the real PvZ bonjwa? I would have never guessed.

Lightwip

United States5497 Posts

August 19 2010 22:23 GMT

#91

That still makes him the revolutionary because he's the first one to make said strategies viable.

Claytor656

United States15 Posts

August 19 2010 22:32 GMT

#92

Fair weather fans man, ain't no thang.

We'll be alright. When the guy's on his style, he's flawless. They play so many games. Imagine if we just had like 3/4 less games. I'd think that'd fair to say to everyone how easy it could be to burn out playing at the intensity they have to.

Antisocialmunky

United States5912 Posts

August 19 2010 23:00 GMT

#93

On August 20 2010 04:31 luanshuju wrote:

Show nested quote +

Wait, so best is the real PvZ bonjwa? I would have never guessed.

Grrr... did it firsterly.

Easy772

374 Posts

August 19 2010 23:01 GMT

#94

On August 20 2010 03:46 night terrors wrote:
Well, to be fair, he's done a lot in his career. Not everyone is like Flash who's all like iMa Be GUnA WIN Al TEH leeguz, and its silly to judge people to those standards. Who cares? The guy won his leagues, made his money, made significant progress in PvZ, maybe he doesnt care about being the top player, he's just going along at his pace.

Yeah, I have a feeling he's lost the will to be the best and is just satisfied being paid the best or close to it.. I've seen a lot of stars in sports behave similarly.. Tracy McGrady, BJ Penn, David Tua, Shawn Kemp and Zab Judah just off the top of my head are all examples of players that were at one time or had the potential to be the best, but then just said fuck it i'll take the check.

ammeL

United States211 Posts

August 19 2010 23:03 GMT

#95

Well, as a Kim Taek Yong fan (just a fan, not a fanboy!), I can also agree to the fact that he is "gone."

However, he will still have one of the biggest names in the SC community, for much time to come (and that's something we can all agree on).
ELO score or a legacy? I choose legacy. And, that is exactly what Bisu has built for himself. Of course, anyone wants to go out while being at the top and not in some major slump (or whatever it is that Bisu is in). Regardless of this, his PvZ revolutionized the way PvZ is played on many levels. For example, his DT/Sair combo sparked a flame in many PvZ players who had once thought PvZ was "imbalanced." Or, unforgettably, how he demolished some of the best Zergs in the scene time after time, when people had claimed that such zergs were unstoppable. Next, his opening in PvT that he created (yes, he did create this build and now many Protoss players use this opening) -- the infamous 10-15 gate. So, I leave you with this: He is "gone" but his legacy will never be "gone."

Long live Bisu.
(damn, maybe I am a fanboy...)

FabledIntegral

United States9232 Posts

August 19 2010 23:10 GMT

#96

I fail to understand why you don't just use ELO, as opposed to "ELO gap." What in the world is that supposed to prove?

Assymptotic

United States552 Posts

August 19 2010 23:18 GMT

#97

On August 20 2010 03:42 figq wrote:
He doesn't seem primarily focused on his Starcraft carrier, I noticed that in the brain diagram with his main thoughts in one of the ceremonies. He really should get more serious and focused and not be distracted by useless stardom.

This, Bisu spends most of his days thinking about his hair, skin, clothes, sleeping, and the A-girls. Compare it to Jaedong's or Flash's top priorities (I HATE LOSING! was Jaedong's if I remember correctly), and it's clear why Bisu will not return to form with his current mindset.