EPTit can reveal who is far away from their peak in terms of ELO but it cant really tell what it means...
Who's hot? Bisu's not. - Page 7
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StylishVODs
Sweden5331 Posts
it can reveal who is far away from their peak in terms of ELO but it cant really tell what it means... | ||
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Garaman
United States556 Posts
HAHAHAHAHA im so happy he is failing hard again, reminds me of savior (whenever he would win after his slump, he will destroy all in 2009? haha the overhype) anytime, stork and nal_ra are my true protoss heroes. | ||
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slappy
United States1271 Posts
On August 19 2010 22:29 iNfeRnaL wrote: Tell me ANY player that does play better PvZ than Kim Taek Yong right now. Yes, Bisu is slumping and even most fanboys will admit that - his undefeatable PvP which was like 6 months ago is gone - and PvT never was his biggest strenght except winning Flash a few times due to being able to spot the holes in his play. But your comparison doesn't make any sense at all since Bisu has the 3rd highest elo peak ever - guess what, he was even down to less than 2100 pts - means despite not being a Top10 player right now he's by no means a bad player. Also you call ForGG hotter since he is closer to his - way worse - ELO peak than Bisu, but Bisu having a higher current elo. Yes, ForGG >>>> Bisu. Less > more. Same with "soulkey" etc etc, yes they're up and comers but in YOUR book someone with 2050 elo high and 2050 elo current would be the "hottest player in the world right now" even if he only 3-0'ed Frozen to do so... ^ This and, you're probly a savior fanboy who is just mad cuz bisu took him from his throne. sure, bisu is not where he was, but he's still throwing up consistent results. just because someone is on top for a while, you expect him to be there forever and anything less is unacceptable, so now he sucks? try again. so maybe he can't be ranked at S class in most of his games recently, but hes still a top level A class player | ||
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Stratos_speAr
United States6959 Posts
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SHr3DD3r
Pakistan2137 Posts
On August 21 2010 03:51 Stratos_speAr wrote: It's been historically bad to be a Protoss fan. The only times of true awesomeness were earlier in Bisu's career and the days of GARIMTO and Nal_rA. Everything else has been pretty gloomy. Pretty much | ||
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dukethegold
Canada5645 Posts
+ Show Spoiler [Sample Picture] + ![[image loading]](http://img691.imageshack.us/img691/1159/asas04.jpg) Thread closed. | ||
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Tien
Russian Federation4447 Posts
Hardest race for progamers. | ||
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koreasilver
9109 Posts
On August 21 2010 03:51 Stratos_speAr wrote: It's been historically bad to be a Protoss fan. The only times of true awesomeness were earlier in Bisu's career and the days of GARIMTO and Nal_rA. Everything else has been pretty gloomy. Bisu's rampage before, during, and slightly after the so called Golden Age of Protoss was much more interesting and awesome to me than his initial rise after beating Savior. | ||
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HeadhunteR
Argentina1258 Posts
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Vedic
United States582 Posts
Elo is a relative stat system - you can't even accurately use elo numbers from a month ago compared with current numbers. The only way to compare a "peak" is to compare EXACT elo values for the time that someone achieved said value. High elo values just mean a bigger pool of players, and a lot of games being played - it's not the actual number itself, it's the relative distance between that elo value, and the elo values of the other players at the time. | ||
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Drium
United States888 Posts
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ionlyplayPROtoss
Canada573 Posts
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Xiphos
Canada7507 Posts
On note: I really miss Bisu.... he was THE best player like exactly a year ago. | ||
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blahman3344
United States2015 Posts
Besides, raw statistics alone, doesn't do much to help your argument. There are still 2 other factors to look in to: 1. Players he's played to get that ELO 2. Quality of his games. If Bisu played Flash in a bo5 and went 2-3, and you only see that his ELO dropped and that he went 2-3 and say something like "oh bisu went 2-3 in his last 5 PvTs, he sucks at PVT." That would be inaccurate, bcause he played Flash and took 2 games off of him in a bo5, which is a feat itself. Also, If you look at the losses of Bisu, and see that the game was still REALLY close, then that, by no means, gives any evidence that Bisu sucks at PVT. | ||
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aimaimaim
Philippines2167 Posts
On August 21 2010 07:17 dukethegold wrote: Name a progamer who is indisputably hotter than Bisu. + Show Spoiler [Sample Picture] + Thread closed. wtf is that?!!??!?!?! | ||
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Lightwip
United States5497 Posts
On August 20 2010 23:33 ninini wrote: This is just ridiculous to say. What do you know? Can you show us in what way Best and Free is worse players than Fantasy and Sea? It's impossible, because they use different races. If you look at the start of the pro scene, there has always been a huge lack of big name Protosses. This changed during the era of the Dragons, but now they are starting to fail again. Protoss is the worst race in SC, and it's a fact. The race is probably a huge factor, don't get me wrong. But it also looks like a lot fo the players simply don't play as well. Maybe it's just that it's fucking hard, which could be true. But we've seen protoss do better, and this is not their time. | ||
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Avidkeystamper
United States8551 Posts
On August 21 2010 09:34 blahman3344 wrote: hrmmm...I don't see the point of comparing distance from ELO peaks, because Bisu still has a higher ELO than 10 of the other players you listed. If you were saying that he "comparatively sucks" compared to his former self, then yes, that would be true. But to say Bisu sucks right now is to say that a lot of other decent players suck too. Besides, raw statistics alone, doesn't do much to help your argument. There are still 2 other factors to look in to: 1. Players he's played to get that ELO 2. Quality of his games. If Bisu played Flash in a bo5 and went 2-3, and you only see that his ELO dropped and that he went 2-3 and say something like "oh bisu went 2-3 in his last 5 PvTs, he sucks at PVT." That would be inaccurate, bcause he played Flash and took 2 games off of him in a bo5, which is a feat itself. Also, If you look at the losses of Bisu, and see that the game was still REALLY close, then that, by no means, gives any evidence that Bisu sucks at PVT. ELO automatically takes into account the players that someone plays against. The quality of games is a good point, though over the long run I doubt it would paint a picture contrary to the ELO. | ||
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Lexpar
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MuffinDude
United States3837 Posts
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fearus
China2164 Posts
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