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StylishVODs
Profile Joined December 2005
Sweden5331 Posts
August 20 2010 14:51 GMT
#121
I dont think this is very useful...
it can reveal who is far away from their peak in terms of ELO but it cant really tell what it means...
According to Reach, he is the fastest learner he has ever seen. He start bw only like 2/3 years ago. Infact, his bw history knowledge is so limited, he didn't even know what the map Guillotine was.
Garaman
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States556 Posts
August 20 2010 18:06 GMT
#122
i love how in the osl ro36 reviews, through the pokedex for progamers, they gave bisu a fucking legendary pokemon (deoxys) cuz he is "s-class"
HAHAHAHAHA
im so happy he is failing hard again, reminds me of savior (whenever he would win after his slump, he will destroy all in 2009? haha the overhype)
anytime, stork and nal_ra are my true protoss heroes.
slappy
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States1271 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-20 18:27:48
August 20 2010 18:27 GMT
#123
+ Show Spoiler +

On August 19 2010 22:29 iNfeRnaL wrote:
Tell me ANY player that does play better PvZ than Kim Taek Yong right now.
Yes, Bisu is slumping and even most fanboys will admit that - his undefeatable PvP which was like 6 months ago is gone - and PvT never was his biggest strenght except winning Flash a few times due to being able to spot the holes in his play.

But your comparison doesn't make any sense at all since Bisu has the 3rd highest elo peak ever - guess what, he was even down to less than 2100 pts - means despite not being a Top10 player right now he's by no means a bad player.
Also you call ForGG hotter since he is closer to his - way worse - ELO peak than Bisu, but Bisu having a higher current elo.
Yes, ForGG >>>> Bisu.
Less > more.
Same with "soulkey" etc etc, yes they're up and comers but in YOUR book someone with 2050 elo high and 2050 elo current would be the "hottest player in the world right now" even if he only 3-0'ed Frozen to do so...


^
This

and, you're probly a savior fanboy who is just mad cuz bisu took him from his throne. sure, bisu is not where he was, but he's still throwing up consistent results. just because someone is on top for a while, you expect him to be there forever and anything less is unacceptable, so now he sucks? try again. so maybe he can't be ranked at S class in most of his games recently, but hes still a top level A class player
jaedong imba
Stratos_speAr
Profile Joined May 2009
United States6959 Posts
August 20 2010 18:51 GMT
#124
It's been historically bad to be a Protoss fan. The only times of true awesomeness were earlier in Bisu's career and the days of GARIMTO and Nal_rA. Everything else has been pretty gloomy.
A sound mind in a sound body, is a short, but full description of a happy state in this World: he that has these two, has little more to wish for; and he that wants either of them, will be little the better for anything else.
SHr3DD3r
Profile Joined March 2009
Pakistan2137 Posts
August 20 2010 20:23 GMT
#125
On August 21 2010 03:51 Stratos_speAr wrote:
It's been historically bad to be a Protoss fan. The only times of true awesomeness were earlier in Bisu's career and the days of GARIMTO and Nal_rA. Everything else has been pretty gloomy.

Pretty much
Hit them hard! Hit them low! - Forever a Bisu Fan!~!
dukethegold
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Canada5645 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-20 22:18:39
August 20 2010 22:17 GMT
#126
Name a progamer who is indisputably hotter than Bisu.

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Tien
Profile Joined January 2003
Russian Federation4447 Posts
August 20 2010 22:25 GMT
#127
Protoss is easiest race for beginners to play.

Hardest race for progamers.
We decide our own destiny
koreasilver
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
9109 Posts
August 20 2010 22:29 GMT
#128
On August 21 2010 03:51 Stratos_speAr wrote:
It's been historically bad to be a Protoss fan. The only times of true awesomeness were earlier in Bisu's career and the days of GARIMTO and Nal_rA. Everything else has been pretty gloomy.

Bisu's rampage before, during, and slightly after the so called Golden Age of Protoss was much more interesting and awesome to me than his initial rise after beating Savior.
HeadhunteR
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Argentina1258 Posts
August 20 2010 22:43 GMT
#129
REACHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!! how can you not name him the mantoss man!... FUUUUUUUUU he was also waving the toss flag in the direst of times.
in The Kong line forever
Vedic
Profile Joined March 2008
United States582 Posts
August 20 2010 23:36 GMT
#130
Elo peaks mean NOTHING.

Elo is a relative stat system - you can't even accurately use elo numbers from a month ago compared with current numbers. The only way to compare a "peak" is to compare EXACT elo values for the time that someone achieved said value. High elo values just mean a bigger pool of players, and a lot of games being played - it's not the actual number itself, it's the relative distance between that elo value, and the elo values of the other players at the time.
I tried to commit seppuku, but I accidentally committed bukkake.
Drium
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States888 Posts
August 20 2010 23:56 GMT
#131
I expected this thread to be about Bisu's looks and I was ready to rage.
KwanROLLLLLLLED
ionlyplayPROtoss
Profile Joined March 2010
Canada573 Posts
August 21 2010 00:08 GMT
#132
Atleast stork is doing ok...
Xiphos
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Canada7507 Posts
August 21 2010 00:20 GMT
#133
Guys, lets just watch Free royal road this OSL, we have another Protoss hero! But hopefully it would be Free vs Stork in the finals when Free defeat Flash in the semi and Stork beat Jaedong.

On note: I really miss Bisu.... he was THE best player like exactly a year ago.
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blahman3344
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States2015 Posts
August 21 2010 00:34 GMT
#134
hrmmm...I don't see the point of comparing distance from ELO peaks, because Bisu still has a higher ELO than 10 of the other players you listed. If you were saying that he "comparatively sucks" compared to his former self, then yes, that would be true. But to say Bisu sucks right now is to say that a lot of other decent players suck too.

Besides, raw statistics alone, doesn't do much to help your argument. There are still 2 other factors to look in to:
1. Players he's played to get that ELO
2. Quality of his games.

If Bisu played Flash in a bo5 and went 2-3, and you only see that his ELO dropped and that he went 2-3 and say something like "oh bisu went 2-3 in his last 5 PvTs, he sucks at PVT." That would be inaccurate, bcause he played Flash and took 2 games off of him in a bo5, which is a feat itself.
Also, If you look at the losses of Bisu, and see that the game was still REALLY close, then that, by no means, gives any evidence that Bisu sucks at PVT.
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aimaimaim
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Philippines2167 Posts
August 21 2010 00:41 GMT
#135
On August 21 2010 07:17 dukethegold wrote:
Name a progamer who is indisputably hotter than Bisu.

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wtf is that?!!??!?!?!
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Lightwip
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5497 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-21 04:06:43
August 21 2010 03:19 GMT
#136
On August 20 2010 23:33 ninini wrote:
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I think it's just that most of the toss suck. Even among the good ones, Best/free etc just aren't as good as Fantasy/Sea or Effort/Zero right now. Also, Flash and Jaedong are a lot better than Bisu and Stork, the S class of protoss when they were at their peak. When your race's stars suck, what motivation will the littluns have?

This is just ridiculous to say. What do you know? Can you show us in what way Best and Free is worse players than Fantasy and Sea? It's impossible, because they use different races. If you look at the start of the pro scene, there has always been a huge lack of big name Protosses. This changed during the era of the Dragons, but now they are starting to fail again. Protoss is the worst race in SC, and it's a fact.

The race is probably a huge factor, don't get me wrong. But it also looks like a lot fo the players simply don't play as well. Maybe it's just that it's fucking hard, which could be true. But we've seen protoss do better, and this is not their time.
If you are not Bisu, chances are I hate you.
Avidkeystamper
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States8556 Posts
August 21 2010 03:41 GMT
#137
On August 21 2010 09:34 blahman3344 wrote:
hrmmm...I don't see the point of comparing distance from ELO peaks, because Bisu still has a higher ELO than 10 of the other players you listed. If you were saying that he "comparatively sucks" compared to his former self, then yes, that would be true. But to say Bisu sucks right now is to say that a lot of other decent players suck too.

Besides, raw statistics alone, doesn't do much to help your argument. There are still 2 other factors to look in to:
1. Players he's played to get that ELO
2. Quality of his games.

If Bisu played Flash in a bo5 and went 2-3, and you only see that his ELO dropped and that he went 2-3 and say something like "oh bisu went 2-3 in his last 5 PvTs, he sucks at PVT." That would be inaccurate, bcause he played Flash and took 2 games off of him in a bo5, which is a feat itself.
Also, If you look at the losses of Bisu, and see that the game was still REALLY close, then that, by no means, gives any evidence that Bisu sucks at PVT.

ELO automatically takes into account the players that someone plays against. The quality of games is a good point, though over the long run I doubt it would paint a picture contrary to the ELO.
Jaedong
Lexpar
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
1813 Posts
August 21 2010 05:10 GMT
#138
Bisu's not slumping, July is coming back in a big way.
MuffinDude
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States3837 Posts
August 21 2010 07:27 GMT
#139
Its all because of the map imbalaces XD
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fearus
Profile Blog Joined December 2003
China2164 Posts
August 21 2010 08:48 GMT
#140
A slumping Bisu is still bonjwa level and the #1 toss ever.
bisu fanboy
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