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RezChi
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
Canada2368 Posts
August 20 2010 03:50 GMT
#101
Stork is still an ass kicking bitch! Boo yeah!
figq
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
12519 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-20 04:00:50
August 20 2010 03:58 GMT
#102
On August 20 2010 11:45 nayumi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 20 2010 08:18 Assymptotic wrote:
On August 20 2010 03:42 figq wrote:
He doesn't seem primarily focused on his Starcraft carrier, I noticed that in the brain diagram with his main thoughts in one of the ceremonies. He really should get more serious and focused and not be distracted by useless stardom.



This, Bisu spends most of his days thinking about his hair, skin, clothes, sleeping, and the A-girls. Compare it to Jaedong's or Flash's top priorities (I HATE LOSING! was Jaedong's if I remember correctly), and it's clear why Bisu will not return to form with his current mindset.

Are you pulling these facts out of your ass my friend?

Or am i being trolled?
You are not being trolled, unfortunately. The man speaks the truth, or at least based on this:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=138028 (scroll down to the brains)
Clear correlation between people being in good shape atm, and their thoughts - usually focused on it.

That said, I should correct my first post, of course Bisu doesn't have to be good, if he doesn't want to be, and he has full right to just milk out his past success. But if he wants to actually still be good - and I think he could - he just needs to concentrate on that.
If you stand next to my head, you can hear the ocean. - Day[9]
Roggles
Profile Joined December 2009
United States38 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-20 04:06:57
August 20 2010 04:05 GMT
#103
On August 20 2010 12:58 figq wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 20 2010 11:45 nayumi wrote:
On August 20 2010 08:18 Assymptotic wrote:
On August 20 2010 03:42 figq wrote:
He doesn't seem primarily focused on his Starcraft carrier, I noticed that in the brain diagram with his main thoughts in one of the ceremonies. He really should get more serious and focused and not be distracted by useless stardom.



This, Bisu spends most of his days thinking about his hair, skin, clothes, sleeping, and the A-girls. Compare it to Jaedong's or Flash's top priorities (I HATE LOSING! was Jaedong's if I remember correctly), and it's clear why Bisu will not return to form with his current mindset.

Are you pulling these facts out of your ass my friend?

Or am i being trolled?
You are not being trolled, unfortunately. The man speaks the truth, or at least based on this:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=138028 (scroll down to the brains)
Clear correlation between people being in good shape atm, and their thoughts - usually focused on it.

That said, I should correct my first post, of course Bisu doesn't have to be good, if he doesn't want to be, and he has full right to just milk out his past success. But if he wants to actually still be good - and I think he could - he just needs to concentrate on that.


uhhhh you pulled all the non-sc ones from bisu's and compared them to a single example.

jaedong's:
+ Show Spoiler +
1 - I want to go on vacation...
2 - Leta is a cutie
3 - Hiya keeps singing in the dormitories. It's stressful and it's noise pollution.
4 - Driving License
5 - My Investment Account
6 - Soccer
7 - Flash [T/N: The player drew in a bubble instead of the dot here]
8 - The Future
9 - Europe Backpacking Trip
10 - Table Tennis
11 - Let's exercise! Work Out!
12 - Army
13 - Marry for Love
14 -
15 - Friends
16 - I HATE LOSING

bisu's:
+ Show Spoiler +
1 - Watch Celebrities
2 - Hairstyle
3 - Skin Care
4 - Go to the Beach
5 - Care for my looks
6 - Soccer
7 - Win the Proleague
8 - Get Buff
9 - Miss A
10 - I'm Sleepy.. Sleep.
11 - Dress Well
12 - Make Boy and Girl friends
13 - Worries about Military
14 - Contract Negotiations
15 - Exercise
16 - Win the Starleague


by that logic, jaedong spends all day thinking about the army and marrying and hiya singing and table tennis, and that bisu focuses on winning the proleague and starleague, therefore jaedong clearly does not possess the killer mindset of a champion.

>_>
Raz0r
Profile Joined September 2008
United States287 Posts
August 20 2010 04:50 GMT
#104
On August 19 2010 17:06 Yxes2211 wrote:
I really feel bad for Tosses. A Toss hasnt won an SL since 2008 >.< God thats a horrible drought for fans so I really feel for them. They really need a player to rally behind and Bisu did it once, so they are clinging to that >.< That said, Bisu just isn't what he used to be D: and sad thing is I don't see anyone picking up where he left off D: Snow? nah I think he's excellent but not enough to become the future of Toss.

I really hope u truly resurge Bisu but from your interviews it feels like you're not particularly hungry for another title. Flash and Jaedong want to go down as the best rivalry so they have a deep seeded desire to succeed, I just don't see that with my man Bisu...

Hope u come back Bisu but I'm not holding my breath D:



DAMN why aren't protosses WINNING?!?! zerg and terran imba? seriously why are tosses not winning as much, historically they aren't as accomplished as terran and zerg. >
HeadhunteR
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Argentina1258 Posts
August 20 2010 05:38 GMT
#105
On August 20 2010 13:50 Raz0r wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 19 2010 17:06 Yxes2211 wrote:
I really feel bad for Tosses. A Toss hasnt won an SL since 2008 >.< God thats a horrible drought for fans so I really feel for them. They really need a player to rally behind and Bisu did it once, so they are clinging to that >.< That said, Bisu just isn't what he used to be D: and sad thing is I don't see anyone picking up where he left off D: Snow? nah I think he's excellent but not enough to become the future of Toss.

I really hope u truly resurge Bisu but from your interviews it feels like you're not particularly hungry for another title. Flash and Jaedong want to go down as the best rivalry so they have a deep seeded desire to succeed, I just don't see that with my man Bisu...

Hope u come back Bisu but I'm not holding my breath D:



DAMN why aren't protosses WINNING?!?! zerg and terran imba? seriously why are tosses not winning as much, historically they aren't as accomplished as terran and zerg. >



Cause' Toss are the OP race remember?... when toss wins its epic.. thats why the mantoss is the mantoss he was the only one toss standing and he got through everything imbalances and islandmaps and everything...
in The Kong line forever
Lightwip
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5497 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-20 05:58:11
August 20 2010 05:53 GMT
#106
On August 20 2010 13:50 Raz0r wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 19 2010 17:06 Yxes2211 wrote:
I really feel bad for Tosses. A Toss hasnt won an SL since 2008 >.< God thats a horrible drought for fans so I really feel for them. They really need a player to rally behind and Bisu did it once, so they are clinging to that >.< That said, Bisu just isn't what he used to be D: and sad thing is I don't see anyone picking up where he left off D: Snow? nah I think he's excellent but not enough to become the future of Toss.

I really hope u truly resurge Bisu but from your interviews it feels like you're not particularly hungry for another title. Flash and Jaedong want to go down as the best rivalry so they have a deep seeded desire to succeed, I just don't see that with my man Bisu...

Hope u come back Bisu but I'm not holding my breath D:



DAMN why aren't protosses WINNING?!?! zerg and terran imba? seriously why are tosses not winning as much, historically they aren't as accomplished as terran and zerg. >

I think it's just that most of the toss suck. Even among the good ones, Best/free etc just aren't as good as Fantasy/Sea or Effort/Zero right now. Also, Flash and Jaedong are a lot better than Bisu and Stork, the S class of protoss when they were at their peak. When your race's stars suck, what motivation will the littluns have?
If you are not Bisu, chances are I hate you.
_romantic
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States455 Posts
August 20 2010 06:09 GMT
#107
On August 20 2010 13:50 Raz0r wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 19 2010 17:06 Yxes2211 wrote:
I really feel bad for Tosses. A Toss hasnt won an SL since 2008 >.< God thats a horrible drought for fans so I really feel for them. They really need a player to rally behind and Bisu did it once, so they are clinging to that >.< That said, Bisu just isn't what he used to be D: and sad thing is I don't see anyone picking up where he left off D: Snow? nah I think he's excellent but not enough to become the future of Toss.

I really hope u truly resurge Bisu but from your interviews it feels like you're not particularly hungry for another title. Flash and Jaedong want to go down as the best rivalry so they have a deep seeded desire to succeed, I just don't see that with my man Bisu...

Hope u come back Bisu but I'm not holding my breath D:



DAMN why aren't protosses WINNING?!?! zerg and terran imba? seriously why are tosses not winning as much, historically they aren't as accomplished as terran and zerg. >


Most toss "noob" advantages can be negated with mechanics, but most toss "pro" skills have to be acquired through game sense. Korean players usually emphasize the former rather than latter, which is why Korean Ts dominate amateurs and foreign Ps were very predominant.
Jaedong beats other players. Bisu beats other players, in PL. Flash beats Starcraft.
Assymptotic
Profile Joined February 2009
United States552 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-20 06:40:45
August 20 2010 06:35 GMT
#108
On August 20 2010 13:05 Roggles wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 20 2010 12:58 figq wrote:
On August 20 2010 11:45 nayumi wrote:
On August 20 2010 08:18 Assymptotic wrote:
On August 20 2010 03:42 figq wrote:
He doesn't seem primarily focused on his Starcraft carrier, I noticed that in the brain diagram with his main thoughts in one of the ceremonies. He really should get more serious and focused and not be distracted by useless stardom.



This, Bisu spends most of his days thinking about his hair, skin, clothes, sleeping, and the A-girls. Compare it to Jaedong's or Flash's top priorities (I HATE LOSING! was Jaedong's if I remember correctly), and it's clear why Bisu will not return to form with his current mindset.

Are you pulling these facts out of your ass my friend?

Or am i being trolled?
You are not being trolled, unfortunately. The man speaks the truth, or at least based on this:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=138028 (scroll down to the brains)
Clear correlation between people being in good shape atm, and their thoughts - usually focused on it.

That said, I should correct my first post, of course Bisu doesn't have to be good, if he doesn't want to be, and he has full right to just milk out his past success. But if he wants to actually still be good - and I think he could - he just needs to concentrate on that.


uhhhh you pulled all the non-sc ones from bisu's and compared them to a single example.

jaedong's:
+ Show Spoiler +
1 - I want to go on vacation...
2 - Leta is a cutie
3 - Hiya keeps singing in the dormitories. It's stressful and it's noise pollution.
4 - Driving License
5 - My Investment Account
6 - Soccer
7 - Flash [T/N: The player drew in a bubble instead of the dot here]
8 - The Future
9 - Europe Backpacking Trip
10 - Table Tennis
11 - Let's exercise! Work Out!
12 - Army
13 - Marry for Love
14 -
15 - Friends
16 - I HATE LOSING

bisu's:
+ Show Spoiler +
1 - Watch Celebrities
2 - Hairstyle
3 - Skin Care
4 - Go to the Beach
5 - Care for my looks
6 - Soccer
7 - Win the Proleague
8 - Get Buff
9 - Miss A
10 - I'm Sleepy.. Sleep.
11 - Dress Well
12 - Make Boy and Girl friends
13 - Worries about Military
14 - Contract Negotiations
15 - Exercise
16 - Win the Starleague


by that logic, jaedong spends all day thinking about the army and marrying and hiya singing and table tennis, and that bisu focuses on winning the proleague and starleague, therefore jaedong clearly does not possess the killer mindset of a champion.

>_>



IMO, "I hate losing" > "Win the Starleague". It's much more primitive, but at its core, it says so much more about JD's personality; it shows determination to be the best, regardless of what you're doing. In addition, JD thinks about Flash, meaning he knows that he must not let his resolve falter if he wants to be #1. Bisu had a rival once (he declared it to be Stork), but that fire doesn't seem to be there. Hell, even Stork seems to have less fire these days.

It really is more than just that. Even reading his interviews and JD/Flash's, you can see differences in their mindsets. Flash/JD are ALWAYS things along the lines of "I will beat my opponent whoever it is" or "Once I got my head in the game, I had complete control," whereas Bisu is more along the lings of "I got lucky" or "I need to practice more" (almost every progamer says they need to practice more, but Bisu sounds more uncertain of himself)
So close, and yet so far
Lightwip
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5497 Posts
August 20 2010 07:14 GMT
#109
On August 20 2010 15:35 Assymptotic wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 20 2010 13:05 Roggles wrote:
On August 20 2010 12:58 figq wrote:
On August 20 2010 11:45 nayumi wrote:
On August 20 2010 08:18 Assymptotic wrote:
On August 20 2010 03:42 figq wrote:
He doesn't seem primarily focused on his Starcraft carrier, I noticed that in the brain diagram with his main thoughts in one of the ceremonies. He really should get more serious and focused and not be distracted by useless stardom.



This, Bisu spends most of his days thinking about his hair, skin, clothes, sleeping, and the A-girls. Compare it to Jaedong's or Flash's top priorities (I HATE LOSING! was Jaedong's if I remember correctly), and it's clear why Bisu will not return to form with his current mindset.

Are you pulling these facts out of your ass my friend?

Or am i being trolled?
You are not being trolled, unfortunately. The man speaks the truth, or at least based on this:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=138028 (scroll down to the brains)
Clear correlation between people being in good shape atm, and their thoughts - usually focused on it.

That said, I should correct my first post, of course Bisu doesn't have to be good, if he doesn't want to be, and he has full right to just milk out his past success. But if he wants to actually still be good - and I think he could - he just needs to concentrate on that.


uhhhh you pulled all the non-sc ones from bisu's and compared them to a single example.

jaedong's:
+ Show Spoiler +
1 - I want to go on vacation...
2 - Leta is a cutie
3 - Hiya keeps singing in the dormitories. It's stressful and it's noise pollution.
4 - Driving License
5 - My Investment Account
6 - Soccer
7 - Flash [T/N: The player drew in a bubble instead of the dot here]
8 - The Future
9 - Europe Backpacking Trip
10 - Table Tennis
11 - Let's exercise! Work Out!
12 - Army
13 - Marry for Love
14 -
15 - Friends
16 - I HATE LOSING

bisu's:
+ Show Spoiler +
1 - Watch Celebrities
2 - Hairstyle
3 - Skin Care
4 - Go to the Beach
5 - Care for my looks
6 - Soccer
7 - Win the Proleague
8 - Get Buff
9 - Miss A
10 - I'm Sleepy.. Sleep.
11 - Dress Well
12 - Make Boy and Girl friends
13 - Worries about Military
14 - Contract Negotiations
15 - Exercise
16 - Win the Starleague


by that logic, jaedong spends all day thinking about the army and marrying and hiya singing and table tennis, and that bisu focuses on winning the proleague and starleague, therefore jaedong clearly does not possess the killer mindset of a champion.

>_>



IMO, "I hate losing" > "Win the Starleague". It's much more primitive, but at its core, it says so much more about JD's personality; it shows determination to be the best, regardless of what you're doing. In addition, JD thinks about Flash, meaning he knows that he must not let his resolve falter if he wants to be #1. Bisu had a rival once (he declared it to be Stork), but that fire doesn't seem to be there. Hell, even Stork seems to have less fire these days.

It really is more than just that. Even reading his interviews and JD/Flash's, you can see differences in their mindsets. Flash/JD are ALWAYS things along the lines of "I will beat my opponent whoever it is" or "Once I got my head in the game, I had complete control," whereas Bisu is more along the lings of "I got lucky" or "I need to practice more" (almost every progamer says they need to practice more, but Bisu sounds more uncertain of himself)

I never thought of it, but maybe the fall of Stork also left Bisu with less to strive for. A rivalry does push a player to work harder, and it's not there for Bisu.
He's had a resurgence before though, he can do it again. His skills haven't left him yet.
If you are not Bisu, chances are I hate you.
Pratoss
Profile Joined July 2010
Canada201 Posts
August 20 2010 07:40 GMT
#110
;/ so sad to see him like this in game 2 vs kal it looked like he'd given up and didn't care ;(
_romantic
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States455 Posts
August 20 2010 08:05 GMT
#111
On August 20 2010 16:14 Lightwip wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 20 2010 15:35 Assymptotic wrote:
On August 20 2010 13:05 Roggles wrote:
On August 20 2010 12:58 figq wrote:
On August 20 2010 11:45 nayumi wrote:
On August 20 2010 08:18 Assymptotic wrote:
On August 20 2010 03:42 figq wrote:
He doesn't seem primarily focused on his Starcraft carrier, I noticed that in the brain diagram with his main thoughts in one of the ceremonies. He really should get more serious and focused and not be distracted by useless stardom.



This, Bisu spends most of his days thinking about his hair, skin, clothes, sleeping, and the A-girls. Compare it to Jaedong's or Flash's top priorities (I HATE LOSING! was Jaedong's if I remember correctly), and it's clear why Bisu will not return to form with his current mindset.

Are you pulling these facts out of your ass my friend?

Or am i being trolled?
You are not being trolled, unfortunately. The man speaks the truth, or at least based on this:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=138028 (scroll down to the brains)
Clear correlation between people being in good shape atm, and their thoughts - usually focused on it.

That said, I should correct my first post, of course Bisu doesn't have to be good, if he doesn't want to be, and he has full right to just milk out his past success. But if he wants to actually still be good - and I think he could - he just needs to concentrate on that.


uhhhh you pulled all the non-sc ones from bisu's and compared them to a single example.

jaedong's:
+ Show Spoiler +
1 - I want to go on vacation...
2 - Leta is a cutie
3 - Hiya keeps singing in the dormitories. It's stressful and it's noise pollution.
4 - Driving License
5 - My Investment Account
6 - Soccer
7 - Flash [T/N: The player drew in a bubble instead of the dot here]
8 - The Future
9 - Europe Backpacking Trip
10 - Table Tennis
11 - Let's exercise! Work Out!
12 - Army
13 - Marry for Love
14 -
15 - Friends
16 - I HATE LOSING

bisu's:
+ Show Spoiler +
1 - Watch Celebrities
2 - Hairstyle
3 - Skin Care
4 - Go to the Beach
5 - Care for my looks
6 - Soccer
7 - Win the Proleague
8 - Get Buff
9 - Miss A
10 - I'm Sleepy.. Sleep.
11 - Dress Well
12 - Make Boy and Girl friends
13 - Worries about Military
14 - Contract Negotiations
15 - Exercise
16 - Win the Starleague


by that logic, jaedong spends all day thinking about the army and marrying and hiya singing and table tennis, and that bisu focuses on winning the proleague and starleague, therefore jaedong clearly does not possess the killer mindset of a champion.

>_>



IMO, "I hate losing" > "Win the Starleague". It's much more primitive, but at its core, it says so much more about JD's personality; it shows determination to be the best, regardless of what you're doing. In addition, JD thinks about Flash, meaning he knows that he must not let his resolve falter if he wants to be #1. Bisu had a rival once (he declared it to be Stork), but that fire doesn't seem to be there. Hell, even Stork seems to have less fire these days.

It really is more than just that. Even reading his interviews and JD/Flash's, you can see differences in their mindsets. Flash/JD are ALWAYS things along the lines of "I will beat my opponent whoever it is" or "Once I got my head in the game, I had complete control," whereas Bisu is more along the lings of "I got lucky" or "I need to practice more" (almost every progamer says they need to practice more, but Bisu sounds more uncertain of himself)

I never thought of it, but maybe the fall of Stork also left Bisu with less to strive for. A rivalry does push a player to work harder, and it's not there for Bisu.
He's had a resurgence before though, he can do it again. His skills haven't left him yet.


I actually agree here. He needs to stop looking for the rival in the mirror. Maybe Kal? Or maybe if Kal was less ugly?
Jaedong beats other players. Bisu beats other players, in PL. Flash beats Starcraft.
Lightwip
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5497 Posts
August 20 2010 08:19 GMT
#112
On August 20 2010 17:05 l0st_romantic wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 20 2010 16:14 Lightwip wrote:
On August 20 2010 15:35 Assymptotic wrote:
On August 20 2010 13:05 Roggles wrote:
On August 20 2010 12:58 figq wrote:
On August 20 2010 11:45 nayumi wrote:
On August 20 2010 08:18 Assymptotic wrote:
On August 20 2010 03:42 figq wrote:
He doesn't seem primarily focused on his Starcraft carrier, I noticed that in the brain diagram with his main thoughts in one of the ceremonies. He really should get more serious and focused and not be distracted by useless stardom.



This, Bisu spends most of his days thinking about his hair, skin, clothes, sleeping, and the A-girls. Compare it to Jaedong's or Flash's top priorities (I HATE LOSING! was Jaedong's if I remember correctly), and it's clear why Bisu will not return to form with his current mindset.

Are you pulling these facts out of your ass my friend?

Or am i being trolled?
You are not being trolled, unfortunately. The man speaks the truth, or at least based on this:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=138028 (scroll down to the brains)
Clear correlation between people being in good shape atm, and their thoughts - usually focused on it.

That said, I should correct my first post, of course Bisu doesn't have to be good, if he doesn't want to be, and he has full right to just milk out his past success. But if he wants to actually still be good - and I think he could - he just needs to concentrate on that.


uhhhh you pulled all the non-sc ones from bisu's and compared them to a single example.

jaedong's:
+ Show Spoiler +
1 - I want to go on vacation...
2 - Leta is a cutie
3 - Hiya keeps singing in the dormitories. It's stressful and it's noise pollution.
4 - Driving License
5 - My Investment Account
6 - Soccer
7 - Flash [T/N: The player drew in a bubble instead of the dot here]
8 - The Future
9 - Europe Backpacking Trip
10 - Table Tennis
11 - Let's exercise! Work Out!
12 - Army
13 - Marry for Love
14 -
15 - Friends
16 - I HATE LOSING

bisu's:
+ Show Spoiler +
1 - Watch Celebrities
2 - Hairstyle
3 - Skin Care
4 - Go to the Beach
5 - Care for my looks
6 - Soccer
7 - Win the Proleague
8 - Get Buff
9 - Miss A
10 - I'm Sleepy.. Sleep.
11 - Dress Well
12 - Make Boy and Girl friends
13 - Worries about Military
14 - Contract Negotiations
15 - Exercise
16 - Win the Starleague


by that logic, jaedong spends all day thinking about the army and marrying and hiya singing and table tennis, and that bisu focuses on winning the proleague and starleague, therefore jaedong clearly does not possess the killer mindset of a champion.

>_>



IMO, "I hate losing" > "Win the Starleague". It's much more primitive, but at its core, it says so much more about JD's personality; it shows determination to be the best, regardless of what you're doing. In addition, JD thinks about Flash, meaning he knows that he must not let his resolve falter if he wants to be #1. Bisu had a rival once (he declared it to be Stork), but that fire doesn't seem to be there. Hell, even Stork seems to have less fire these days.

It really is more than just that. Even reading his interviews and JD/Flash's, you can see differences in their mindsets. Flash/JD are ALWAYS things along the lines of "I will beat my opponent whoever it is" or "Once I got my head in the game, I had complete control," whereas Bisu is more along the lings of "I got lucky" or "I need to practice more" (almost every progamer says they need to practice more, but Bisu sounds more uncertain of himself)

I never thought of it, but maybe the fall of Stork also left Bisu with less to strive for. A rivalry does push a player to work harder, and it's not there for Bisu.
He's had a resurgence before though, he can do it again. His skills haven't left him yet.


I actually agree here. He needs to stop looking for the rival in the mirror. Maybe Kal? Or maybe if Kal was less ugly?

Best, free, Pure, Kal. Those are all decent protoss that can play well when they need to. Not that you can simply make a rivalry, because they don't really pose any sort of threat to each other as Stork did to Bisu's dominance in 07 or Flash did to Jaedong's dominance post-Bisu slump.
Basically, stork needs to start doing well too.
If you are not Bisu, chances are I hate you.
TriniMasta
Profile Joined December 2009
United States1323 Posts
August 20 2010 08:29 GMT
#113
lol @ title, funny but misleading =D
but yeah Protoss isn't doing so well, idk if it'[s the maps, the players, or the balancy (please don't flame me, it's a thought)
정명훈 FIGHTING!!! Play both T and P.
Rainmaker5
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States1027 Posts
August 20 2010 12:24 GMT
#114
So Bisu used to be God Mode and now he's just really damn good.

Okay.
(-_(-_(-_(^_(-_(-_(-_-)_-)_-)_-)_-)_-)_-) CJ Fighting! "Beer -> soju -> whisky is a terrible build"~~ Scrarecrow.
Noxide
Profile Joined July 2009
United States2870 Posts
August 20 2010 13:48 GMT
#115
On August 20 2010 13:50 Raz0r wrote:
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On August 19 2010 17:06 Yxes2211 wrote:
I really feel bad for Tosses. A Toss hasnt won an SL since 2008 >.< God thats a horrible drought for fans so I really feel for them. They really need a player to rally behind and Bisu did it once, so they are clinging to that >.< That said, Bisu just isn't what he used to be D: and sad thing is I don't see anyone picking up where he left off D: Snow? nah I think he's excellent but not enough to become the future of Toss.

I really hope u truly resurge Bisu but from your interviews it feels like you're not particularly hungry for another title. Flash and Jaedong want to go down as the best rivalry so they have a deep seeded desire to succeed, I just don't see that with my man Bisu...

Hope u come back Bisu but I'm not holding my breath D:



DAMN why aren't protosses WINNING?!?! zerg and terran imba? seriously why are tosses not winning as much, historically they aren't as accomplished as terran and zerg. >


I can tell you the reason for this.

Losses to random hydra busts!!

Somewhere or another they lose to random hydras and end up losing a Bo3 or get behind/kicked from their group etc.

Flash ひなの戦争の王である || しかし、実際にはヤフーの ファンタジーサッカー、楽しいプレー私の週末を占めている
figq
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
12519 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-20 14:37:45
August 20 2010 13:53 GMT
#116
On August 20 2010 13:05 Roggles wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
On August 20 2010 12:58 figq wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 20 2010 11:45 nayumi wrote:
On August 20 2010 08:18 Assymptotic wrote:
On August 20 2010 03:42 figq wrote:
He doesn't seem primarily focused on his Starcraft carrier, I noticed that in the brain diagram with his main thoughts in one of the ceremonies. He really should get more serious and focused and not be distracted by useless stardom.



This, Bisu spends most of his days thinking about his hair, skin, clothes, sleeping, and the A-girls. Compare it to Jaedong's or Flash's top priorities (I HATE LOSING! was Jaedong's if I remember correctly), and it's clear why Bisu will not return to form with his current mindset.

Are you pulling these facts out of your ass my friend?

Or am i being trolled?
You are not being trolled, unfortunately. The man speaks the truth, or at least based on this:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=138028 (scroll down to the brains)
Clear correlation between people being in good shape atm, and their thoughts - usually focused on it.

That said, I should correct my first post, of course Bisu doesn't have to be good, if he doesn't want to be, and he has full right to just milk out his past success. But if he wants to actually still be good - and I think he could - he just needs to concentrate on that.


uhhhh you pulled all the non-sc ones from bisu's and compared them to a single example.

jaedong's:
+ Show Spoiler +
1 - I want to go on vacation...
2 - Leta is a cutie
3 - Hiya keeps singing in the dormitories. It's stressful and it's noise pollution.
4 - Driving License
5 - My Investment Account
6 - Soccer
7 - Flash [T/N: The player drew in a bubble instead of the dot here]
8 - The Future
9 - Europe Backpacking Trip
10 - Table Tennis
11 - Let's exercise! Work Out!
12 - Army
13 - Marry for Love
14 -
15 - Friends
16 - I HATE LOSING

bisu's:
+ Show Spoiler +
1 - Watch Celebrities
2 - Hairstyle
3 - Skin Care
4 - Go to the Beach
5 - Care for my looks
6 - Soccer
7 - Win the Proleague
8 - Get Buff
9 - Miss A
10 - I'm Sleepy.. Sleep.
11 - Dress Well
12 - Make Boy and Girl friends
13 - Worries about Military
14 - Contract Negotiations
15 - Exercise
16 - Win the Starleague


by that logic, jaedong spends all day thinking about the army and marrying and hiya singing and table tennis, and that bisu focuses on winning the proleague and starleague, therefore jaedong clearly does not possess the killer mindset of a champion.

>_>
My original claim was just that Bisu seems to spend too much focus on his supposed stardom status and not enough on actually working towards it, which is not a good recipe. But yes, it's cherry-picking.
On August 20 2010 23:01 Rainmaker5 wrote:
Actually Bisu probably sleeps wakes up, eats, plays sc, eats, plays sc, eats, plays sc and then sleeps again. Like every other progamer
Time-wise yes. Mind-wise however...
If you stand next to my head, you can hear the ocean. - Day[9]
Rainmaker5
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States1027 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-20 14:01:41
August 20 2010 14:01 GMT
#117
On August 20 2010 22:53 figq wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 20 2010 13:05 Roggles wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
On August 20 2010 12:58 figq wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 20 2010 11:45 nayumi wrote:
On August 20 2010 08:18 Assymptotic wrote:
On August 20 2010 03:42 figq wrote:
He doesn't seem primarily focused on his Starcraft carrier, I noticed that in the brain diagram with his main thoughts in one of the ceremonies. He really should get more serious and focused and not be distracted by useless stardom.



This, Bisu spends most of his days thinking about his hair, skin, clothes, sleeping, and the A-girls. Compare it to Jaedong's or Flash's top priorities (I HATE LOSING! was Jaedong's if I remember correctly), and it's clear why Bisu will not return to form with his current mindset.

Are you pulling these facts out of your ass my friend?

Or am i being trolled?
You are not being trolled, unfortunately. The man speaks the truth, or at least based on this:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=138028 (scroll down to the brains)
Clear correlation between people being in good shape atm, and their thoughts - usually focused on it.

That said, I should correct my first post, of course Bisu doesn't have to be good, if he doesn't want to be, and he has full right to just milk out his past success. But if he wants to actually still be good - and I think he could - he just needs to concentrate on that.


uhhhh you pulled all the non-sc ones from bisu's and compared them to a single example.

jaedong's:
+ Show Spoiler +
1 - I want to go on vacation...
2 - Leta is a cutie
3 - Hiya keeps singing in the dormitories. It's stressful and it's noise pollution.
4 - Driving License
5 - My Investment Account
6 - Soccer
7 - Flash [T/N: The player drew in a bubble instead of the dot here]
8 - The Future
9 - Europe Backpacking Trip
10 - Table Tennis
11 - Let's exercise! Work Out!
12 - Army
13 - Marry for Love
14 -
15 - Friends
16 - I HATE LOSING

bisu's:
+ Show Spoiler +
1 - Watch Celebrities
2 - Hairstyle
3 - Skin Care
4 - Go to the Beach
5 - Care for my looks
6 - Soccer
7 - Win the Proleague
8 - Get Buff
9 - Miss A
10 - I'm Sleepy.. Sleep.
11 - Dress Well
12 - Make Boy and Girl friends
13 - Worries about Military
14 - Contract Negotiations
15 - Exercise
16 - Win the Starleague


by that logic, jaedong spends all day thinking about the army and marrying and hiya singing and table tennis, and that bisu focuses on winning the proleague and starleague, therefore jaedong clearly does not possess the killer mindset of a champion.

>_>
My original claim was just that Bisu seems to spend too much focus on his supposed stardom status and not enough on actually working towards it, which is not a good recipe. But yes, it's cherry-picking.

Actually Bisu probably sleeps wakes up, eats, plays sc, eats, plays sc, eats, plays sc and then sleeps again. Like every other progamer

I suppose sometimes he wins games for his team and looks adorable in interviews, but really that's allowed.
(-_(-_(-_(^_(-_(-_(-_-)_-)_-)_-)_-)_-)_-) CJ Fighting! "Beer -> soju -> whisky is a terrible build"~~ Scrarecrow.
Usurper
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Macedonia283 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-20 14:21:28
August 20 2010 14:20 GMT
#118
If you Merge Bisu and Stork into one, you get the best Protoss player ever to existed. If they could just emulate each others game style and game sense for their respective masteries (Bisus PvZ, Storks PvT). Stork is doing maybe better than Bisu lately, but he still hasn't got a grip on the PvZ, point that he often points out himself during interviews. And it's well known Bisus vsT is totally uninspired and makes you go "blergh" most of the time.

P.S. Please someone force-feed Bisu VODs from Storks PvT, and Stork with Bisus PvZ?

I love humanity. It is people that i can't stand.
Mykill
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Canada3402 Posts
August 20 2010 14:31 GMT
#119
lol Jaedong OZ
wow Kwanro is on there -_-"
[~~The Impossible Leads To Invention~~] CJ Entusman #52 The problem with internet quotations is that they are hard to verify -Abraham Lincoln c.1863
ninini
Profile Joined June 2010
Sweden1204 Posts
August 20 2010 14:33 GMT
#120

I think it's just that most of the toss suck. Even among the good ones, Best/free etc just aren't as good as Fantasy/Sea or Effort/Zero right now. Also, Flash and Jaedong are a lot better than Bisu and Stork, the S class of protoss when they were at their peak. When your race's stars suck, what motivation will the littluns have?

This is just ridiculous to say. What do you know? Can you show us in what way Best and Free is worse players than Fantasy and Sea? It's impossible, because they use different races. If you look at the start of the pro scene, there has always been a huge lack of big name Protosses. This changed during the era of the Dragons, but now they are starting to fail again. Protoss is the worst race in SC, and it's a fact.
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