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I'm saying this as a Bisu fan:
Yes Bisu had a really good performance in proleague, but we noticed that his performance in individual leagues was sub-par. The difference between Flash/Jaedong and Bisu is that Jaedong/Flash put up consistent performances in PL and make decent placement in individual leagues (if not winning them). If Bisu can't make it to at least the Top 8 in this MSL, then he certainly won't be deserving of "player of the year" award (not to say that he completely deserves it should he make it to the ro8).
I don't mean to be this critical of Bisu, but PL results are just one part of the big picture, imo.
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On August 05 2011 11:36 Milkis wrote:
proleague awards are pretty minor actually, wait for player of the year awards before going rampant.
oh wait bisu still haven't gotten past the RO8 in a league yet -_-
oh snap.
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On August 05 2011 12:55 Lightwip wrote:Show nested quote +On August 05 2011 11:36 Milkis wrote:
proleague awards are pretty minor actually, wait for player of the year awards before going rampant.
oh wait bisu still haven't gotten past the RO8 in a league yet -_- still grasping at straws, trying to justify your hate for bisu with a diminishing supply of faults anti-bisu of the gaps imo.
I'm totally fine with Bisu, I just think it's bisu fans who grasps at straws lol
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bisu obviously absorbed sea[shield]'s proleague powers from him
side effect: sucks at individual leagues now
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It's alright, he'll get a seed this MSL. Although whether there's any point in getting a seed or not I don't know. Meh. I guess he better win!
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Bisu's a great player, it's when his fan club start screaming that he's "TEH BEST PLAYER EVER" and insulting everyone who doesn't agree with him that I get annoyed.
Is he a great player? yes.
Is he a Proleague monster? absolutely holy shit yes.
Does he deserve player of the year? Probably not, I think Flash deserves it more, but I could still see him winning it, and I wouldn't be upset over it.
TL really needs to get over their Bisu obsession/hatred. Unfortunately, that's not gonna happen until he stops being so damn sexy :3
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On August 05 2011 13:23 Turbovolver wrote:
I like the way ArvickHero quotes that Bisu game against Pure on PR when that game had Bisu end up in said disadvantageous position by getting out multitasked by Pure.
Yeah, lol.
[/shameless antifan]
Flash has been out-multitasked on several occasions, but has also been able to make comebacks by striking at the perfect moments. So Flash sux too?
And I'd be flabbergasted if Flash somehow didn't get player of the year award. Bisu tore it up in Proleague, but Flash tore it up in PL and Individuals, not too hard to choose..
Also question, who won the Player of the Year award in 07 and 08? Can't find any concrete sources ;;;
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lol I saw this topic and I thought it was fresh. Was gonna blaze in here all like "WHAT, WHO SAID THAT???".
I think Bisu setting the new PL record is pretty remarkable, considering that people were debating whether he was finished not too long ago!
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Omg sorry wrong thread
Gogo Bisu in PL ^^
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On August 05 2011 16:49 ArvickHero wrote:
Also question, who won the Player of the Year award in 07 and 08? Can't find any concrete sources ;;;
On November 04 2010 17:33 nadafanboy42 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 04 2010 14:10 rift wrote:On November 04 2010 14:05 Sillylaughs wrote:
From the kespa website, I guess 2005 was when they first introduced it
2005 = iloveoov (july was the zerg of the year) (awarded 2006/3/10)
2006 = savior (awarded 2007/3/8)
2007 = jaedong (awarded 2008/3/19)
2008 = missing??
2009 = jaedong (awarded 2008/12/9)
OK, I was going off here for Jaedong, says he won in Dec 2009, first player to win a second year in a row (indicating he won 08). July from here but could be another award. I can clarify this, there actually wasn't a player of the year award in 2008, hence Jaedong's 2007 and 2009 award were consecutive.
Also, http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=74290 if you want to see winners before 2005
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On August 05 2011 19:03 ImbaTosS wrote:
I think Bisu setting the new PL record is pretty remarkable, considering that people were debating whether he was finished not too long ago!
I am not saying that Bisu is playing badly right now. But this is very misleading since
the format of proleague was changed this year. Therefore, it is very difficult to compare this year to the previoust years.
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On August 05 2011 13:39 blahman3344 wrote:
I'm saying this as a Bisu fan:
Yes Bisu had a really good performance in proleague, but we noticed that his performance in individual leagues was sub-par. The difference between Flash/Jaedong and Bisu is that Jaedong/Flash put up consistent performances in PL and make decent placement in individual leagues (if not winning them). If Bisu can't make it to at least the Top 8 in this MSL, then he certainly won't be deserving of "player of the year" award (not to say that he completely deserves it should he make it to the ro8).
I don't mean to be this critical of Bisu, but PL results are just one part of the big picture, imo. Look at the individual leagues.
Every protoss on the scene has the same problem. Every single one of them. Good performance in proleague, but abysmal in individual leagues. I think this is symptomatic of the deeper problem : that protoss gains less through preparation and advance knowledge of enemy than other races do, hence their inability to compete in environment that focuses on those two factors(aka individual leagues).
Calm also touched on this. He said he gains a LOT from advance knowledge and preparation which hasnt lately been possible in proleague due to no advance player lists, thus confirming the hypothesis of protoss superiority in such conditions.
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Im sorry. I am not ashamed that I am part of the Bisu obsession fan club. I named my WoW charc in the past MarryMeBisu. And one day I will walk down that aisle with him.
I love you Bisu. XoxoxOXoXoXoXoxo
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On August 06 2011 00:28 xarthaz wrote:Show nested quote +On August 05 2011 13:39 blahman3344 wrote:
I'm saying this as a Bisu fan:
Yes Bisu had a really good performance in proleague, but we noticed that his performance in individual leagues was sub-par. The difference between Flash/Jaedong and Bisu is that Jaedong/Flash put up consistent performances in PL and make decent placement in individual leagues (if not winning them). If Bisu can't make it to at least the Top 8 in this MSL, then he certainly won't be deserving of "player of the year" award (not to say that he completely deserves it should he make it to the ro8).
I don't mean to be this critical of Bisu, but PL results are just one part of the big picture, imo. Look at the individual leagues. Every protoss on the scene has the same problem. Every single one of them. Good performance in proleague, but abysmal in individual leagues. I think this is symptomatic of the deeper problem : that protoss gains less through preparation and advance knowledge of enemy than other races do, hence their inability to compete in environment that focuses on those two factors(aka individual leagues). Calm also touched on this. He said he gains a LOT from advance knowledge and preparation which hasnt lately been possible in proleague due to no advance player lists, thus confirming the hypothesis of protoss superiority in such conditions.
Wow that made a lot of sense
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On August 06 2011 00:14 zlosynus wrote:Show nested quote +On August 05 2011 19:03 ImbaTosS wrote:
I think Bisu setting the new PL record is pretty remarkable, considering that people were debating whether he was finished not too long ago! I am not saying that Bisu is playing badly right now. But this is very misleading since the format of proleague was changed this year. Therefore, it is very difficult to compare this year to the previoust years.
The change in format makes no difference. I explained why in a different post.
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On August 06 2011 00:28 xarthaz wrote:Show nested quote +On August 05 2011 13:39 blahman3344 wrote:
I'm saying this as a Bisu fan:
Yes Bisu had a really good performance in proleague, but we noticed that his performance in individual leagues was sub-par. The difference between Flash/Jaedong and Bisu is that Jaedong/Flash put up consistent performances in PL and make decent placement in individual leagues (if not winning them). If Bisu can't make it to at least the Top 8 in this MSL, then he certainly won't be deserving of "player of the year" award (not to say that he completely deserves it should he make it to the ro8).
I don't mean to be this critical of Bisu, but PL results are just one part of the big picture, imo. Look at the individual leagues. Every protoss on the scene has the same problem. Every single one of them. Good performance in proleague, but abysmal in individual leagues. I think this is symptomatic of the deeper problem : that protoss gains less through preparation and advance knowledge of enemy than other races do, hence their inability to compete in environment that focuses on those two factors(aka individual leagues). Calm also touched on this. He said he gains a LOT from advance knowledge and preparation which hasnt lately been possible in proleague due to no advance player lists, thus confirming the hypothesis of protoss superiority in such conditions.
Yeah I have thought that this was the case also, No individual league wins for protoss since 2008, but always doing well in proleague. the deeper Individual leagues go the more time one has to prepare for their specific opponent on specific maps, and at the box set preparation point in the tournaments protoss players have been dropping out like flies.
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On August 06 2011 01:48 kellymilkies wrote:
Im sorry. I am not ashamed that I am part of the Bisu obsession fan club. I named my WoW charc in the past MarryMeBisu. And one day I will walk down that aisle with him.
I love you Bisu. XoxoxOXoXoXoXoxo
I'm glad that at least there are SOME representatives of Starcraft 2 with their heads on the right way around :{}
Bisu All Sweep tomorrow you heard it here first I'll say it FFS
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On August 06 2011 01:48 kellymilkies wrote:
Im sorry. I am not ashamed that I am part of the Bisu obsession fan club. I named my WoW charc in the past MarryMeBisu. And one day I will walk down that aisle with him.
I love you Bisu. XoxoxOXoXoXoXoxo
Kelly #1 fangirl :3
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