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Salteador Neo
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Andorra5591 Posts
August 19 2010 08:29 GMT
#41
His games were the reason I got into BW, so yeah, not giving up on him ever. Also I think most of his haters are because of his looks, which is quite awesome. Maybe jealous because he plays AND looks way better than you? I dunno.
Revolutionist fan
exeexe
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
Denmark937 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-19 08:33:43
August 19 2010 08:33 GMT
#42
Lets make a list of points OP made in his huge long thread:
Point nr1: OP dont like Bisu
Point nr2: ... hmm wait .. yeah thats about it. OP dont like Bisu.

So you really had to make such a long post about you not liking Bisu? Like lol so many other things you could have spend your time on that would had been much more constructively.
And never forget, its always easier to throw a bomb downstairs than up. - George Orwell
ForSC2
Profile Joined June 2009
United States580 Posts
August 19 2010 08:46 GMT
#43
Bisu's ELO is higher than everyone's on that list except Best, Free, and Effort, all of which are on the current power rank. All of which are top players right now.

If the gap between his best and where he is now is so great then what does it say about how good he is if where he is now is 6th on power rank? If you give that kind of gap to almost any other player they'll be retired much less top 10 power rank.

Bisu's gap is so big because his peak is #2 ELO of all time; even higher than Jaedong who he managed to beat a month and a half ago.

Bisu is the best Protoss of all time and if we're honest he's more undisputed than the best Terran or best Zerg of all time.
http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/korean/players#tblt-5563-1-5-DESC

He's the only Protoss that reached as high as he did and that he can stay relevant for so long even after experiencing difficulties is a testament to him as a player.

If it's so difficult for Bisu we should support him because this is when he needs it.
http://www.smbc-comics.com/index.php?id=2883#comic
nayumi
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Australia6499 Posts
August 19 2010 09:04 GMT
#44
Well Bisu still has a 3 y/o crazy fan girl.

Flash and Jaedong can suck it.
Sugoi monogatari onii-chan!
McDonalds
Profile Joined March 2010
Liechtenstein2244 Posts
August 19 2010 09:06 GMT
#45
Soulkey confirmed to be the hottest.
High five :---)
Jayme
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
United States5866 Posts
August 19 2010 09:08 GMT
#46
On August 19 2010 16:02 G5 wrote:
Such little faith. Please re-visit this thread in 3-4 months and take a pic of your face plz. I wanna see your expression when you realize how wrong you were and who exactly you questioned. Bisu is solid, strong, reliable and the highest paid progamer (afaik) today (talk about motivation). This man might loose games every once in a while, no one can win every time. He will revolutionize himself as he has done countless times. Every time I hear about a slump I think, wait 3-4 months. Why? Because not only does the test of time prove someone right or wrong but also the fact that some players styles just don't work well with certain maps and a new map pool could change everything around. And Bisu sure the fuck has style. I am not going fan boy here, I actually never liked Bisu's style to much but he is way too talented and skilled to just drop off the face of the map. Give it time. Bisu will succeed.



Your blind optimism aside both jaedong and Flash make more than Bisu. It's like 250mil for flash 220mil for jaedong and 200 or 180 for bisu
Python is garbage, number 1 advocate of getting rid of it.
Carefree
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
United States1571 Posts
August 19 2010 09:19 GMT
#47
I knew it was you as soon as I read "firms."

Then I scrolled up.

Then I laughed.

You really do have to drive that nail through my heart.

: (
DebOnAire - 「 Bisu[Shield] 」
nttea
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Sweden4353 Posts
August 19 2010 09:19 GMT
#48
On August 19 2010 16:10 Lightwip wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 19 2010 16:00 nttea wrote:
Bye bye bisu! will miss you but not your fans <3.

Do you realize how annoying it is to be a protoss fan?
Zerg have had plenty of successful players, including July, Savior(who?) and Jaedong.
Imagine if instead of July, it was Kingdom who was almost good enough to beat oov, and Nal_ra was the bonjwa rather than savior. Then Jaedong managed to dethrone this bonjwa and for once the zerg would have a chance to shine, only to find that their star slumps hard, and Bisu is the consistent one who slumps for like 5 seconds after some BS runs.
So the only good players end up being Yellow(silver) and inconsistent Jaedong, and after 3 years, it looks like no other star has come about, while free/best etc become consistently ownage players for a long period of time. You would think of Jaedong in the same way. Because honestly, toss never had anyone other than Stork the Silver and Bisu the slumper to represent their race as anything other than inferior. Fanboy attitude is perfectly acceptable IMO.
/end rant.

good points i guess, still i wish you "protoss fans" could get someone better to sheer for instead of putting all your hopes in bisu who i believe will never return to even close to his peak.
Subversive
Profile Joined October 2009
Australia2229 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-19 09:21:30
August 19 2010 09:20 GMT
#49
Tempest is new and up and coming? Free is new? Light, Jaedong? This post could have been more interesting if you didn't seem intent on trying to bait Bisu fans. I'm not even a Bisu fan but I'm glad to see him coming back. The idea you can compare him to his past peak as evidence that he's far from 'back' if back means in form is silly. Worse still is trying to say Tempest is somehow better. Only compared to his own poor history. This is twisting statistics for no good reason.

Edit:

I'll take Bisu over half of the players in the 2250 list and over half of the up and comers (which as I mentioned for some reason includes Light, JD and free ).
#1 Great fan ~ // Khan // FlaSh // JangBi // EffOrt //
McDonalds
Profile Joined March 2010
Liechtenstein2244 Posts
August 19 2010 09:23 GMT
#50
On August 19 2010 17:46 ForSC2 wrote:
Bisu's ELO is higher than everyone's on that list except Best, Free, and Effort, all of which are on the current power rank. All of which are top players right now.

If the gap between his best and where he is now is so great then what does it say about how good he is if where he is now is 6th on power rank? If you give that kind of gap to almost any other player they'll be retired much less top 10 power rank.

Bisu's gap is so big because his peak is #2 ELO of all time; even higher than Jaedong who he managed to beat a month and a half ago.

Bisu is the best Protoss of all time and if we're honest he's more undisputed than the best Terran or best Zerg of all time.
http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/korean/players#tblt-5563-1-5-DESC

He's the only Protoss that reached as high as he did and that he can stay relevant for so long even after experiencing difficulties is a testament to him as a player.

If it's so difficult for Bisu we should support him because this is when he needs it.

Oh brother.

First of all, the power rank is an opinion piece.

Secondly, the whole point is that Bisu used to be #2 in ELO and is now not #2 in ELO. His peak is one point higher than Jaedong's. One point. Compare the differences between current ELO and peak ELO for Bisu and Jaedong. Now compare Bisu with NaDa or GoRush. Which pole is he closer to?
High five :---)
McDonalds
Profile Joined March 2010
Liechtenstein2244 Posts
August 19 2010 09:27 GMT
#51
On August 19 2010 18:20 Subversive wrote:
Tempest is new and up and coming? Free is new? Light, Jaedong?

On August 19 2010 15:46 l0st_romantic wrote:
They are young, growing firms players--or they are players that are actually resurgent (like Free), or they are people playing at or near their peak potential (Jaedong, Light).
High five :---)
Subversive
Profile Joined October 2009
Australia2229 Posts
August 19 2010 09:31 GMT
#52
On August 19 2010 18:27 McDonalds wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 19 2010 18:20 Subversive wrote:
Tempest is new and up and coming? Free is new? Light, Jaedong?

Show nested quote +
On August 19 2010 15:46 l0st_romantic wrote:
They are young, growing firms players--or they are players that are actually resurgent (like Free), or they are people playing at or near their peak potential (Jaedong, Light).

Responding to the OP. If he doesn't want it said, he should edit the OP.
#1 Great fan ~ // Khan // FlaSh // JangBi // EffOrt //
segfix
Profile Joined February 2010
United States32 Posts
August 19 2010 09:31 GMT
#53
On August 19 2010 18:06 McDonalds wrote:
Soulkey confirmed to be the hottest.


Hottest match of the season IMO.
ArvickHero
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
10387 Posts
August 19 2010 09:31 GMT
#54
On August 19 2010 18:08 Jayme wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 19 2010 16:02 G5 wrote:
Such little faith. Please re-visit this thread in 3-4 months and take a pic of your face plz. I wanna see your expression when you realize how wrong you were and who exactly you questioned. Bisu is solid, strong, reliable and the highest paid progamer (afaik) today (talk about motivation). This man might loose games every once in a while, no one can win every time. He will revolutionize himself as he has done countless times. Every time I hear about a slump I think, wait 3-4 months. Why? Because not only does the test of time prove someone right or wrong but also the fact that some players styles just don't work well with certain maps and a new map pool could change everything around. And Bisu sure the fuck has style. I am not going fan boy here, I actually never liked Bisu's style to much but he is way too talented and skilled to just drop off the face of the map. Give it time. Bisu will succeed.



Your blind optimism aside both jaedong and Flash make more than Bisu. It's like 250mil for flash 220mil for jaedong and 200 or 180 for bisu

You mean the list that Milkis he published in his blog because he didn't think it was reliable info? You realize that the list is bullshit right?
Writerptrk
McDonalds
Profile Joined March 2010
Liechtenstein2244 Posts
August 19 2010 09:33 GMT
#55
On August 19 2010 18:31 Subversive wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 19 2010 18:27 McDonalds wrote:
On August 19 2010 18:20 Subversive wrote:
Tempest is new and up and coming? Free is new? Light, Jaedong?

On August 19 2010 15:46 l0st_romantic wrote:
They are young, growing firms players--or they are players that are actually resurgent (like Free), or they are people playing at or near their peak potential (Jaedong, Light).

Responding to the OP. If he doesn't want it said, he should edit the OP.

Uh, I was trying to show you that you didn't read the OP properly.
High five :---)
Subversive
Profile Joined October 2009
Australia2229 Posts
August 19 2010 09:35 GMT
#56
On August 19 2010 18:33 McDonalds wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 19 2010 18:31 Subversive wrote:
On August 19 2010 18:27 McDonalds wrote:
On August 19 2010 18:20 Subversive wrote:
Tempest is new and up and coming? Free is new? Light, Jaedong?

On August 19 2010 15:46 l0st_romantic wrote:
They are young, growing firms players--or they are players that are actually resurgent (like Free), or they are people playing at or near their peak potential (Jaedong, Light).

Responding to the OP. If he doesn't want it said, he should edit the OP.

Uh, I was trying to show you that you didn't read the OP properly.

Whoops, so I did.
#1 Great fan ~ // Khan // FlaSh // JangBi // EffOrt //
_romantic
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States455 Posts
August 19 2010 09:35 GMT
#57
On August 19 2010 18:19 Carefree Me wrote:
I knew it was you as soon as I read "firms."

Then I scrolled up.

Then I laughed.

You really do have to drive that nail through my heart.

: (


This is more directed at those idiot/asshole Bisu fanboyz like lightwip. Sorry to get you caught in the crossfire.

(Back to the trenches of the flamewar)
Jaedong beats other players. Bisu beats other players, in PL. Flash beats Starcraft.
Metalwing
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Turkey1038 Posts
August 19 2010 09:48 GMT
#58
Actually, unlike ZvZ and TvT, PvPs can measure protosses really well. And let's check out (P)Bisu:

After his win against (P)Kal in SKT1 vs STX day 1, he won 0 PvPs.

He is 0-2 against (P)Stats, 1-3 against (P)Kal (on 0-3 in last 3 games), 0-1 against (P)free, fortunately 2-0 against (P)Pure, 0-0 against (P)JangBi and (P)Stork, and finally 0-1 against (P)Much in 2010.

And this makes him what? I think it's something like 3-7 against top Protosses.

At least he's 4-0 against (P)Snow, 2-1 against (P)Movie, 0-1 against (P)Shuttle, 0-1 against (P)Violet, 0-1 against (P)Tempest. This makes him 6-4 against lower class Protosses.

This is enough to explain that (P)Bisu is in a slump.
#1 CheckPrime fan // Terrans gonna Terran
Peripeteia
Profile Joined August 2010
Monaco2 Posts
August 19 2010 10:04 GMT
#59
Oh lost_romantic!!—wait, I forgot that you are postmodern and therefore use 0 instead of o, to show that you are indeed unique and clever like e. e. cummings

Restart:
Oh, l0st_romantic!! I sing this ode to thee!
Thy fervent eyes burn with the intensity of Caina, and even the specks of brown are not dirtied for they hold omniscient sight!
Thy green complexion befits thee well, for the tinge of spring shoots strike into the heart of all fans who do not worship the Godly Flash (and therefore must be morons and dastardly heaps of misery)!
Even thy hair, short and limp as they are, outshines that of Bisu’s (which for comparison, I included in the appendix of this ode, to emphasize Flash’s obvious superiority)—look that the sweet slope of those Flash bangs, so clearly a work of God.

Is it a wonder that you should have believed in intelligent design? For how could mere chance create a creature as glorious and faultless in his logic as thou!

PS. As aforementioned:
http://imgnews.naver.com/image/236/2010/08/16/1281931869_1.jpg
And the clearly more handsome, (therefore in the classist’s eyes more godly):
http://img.youtube.com/vi/SxWH5HNEf0Y/0.jpg
iCDNME
Profile Joined July 2010
Australia25 Posts
August 19 2010 10:28 GMT
#60
HE WILL RISE FROM THE LASHES.
WHEN THE HAIR SPRAY SETTLES AND CLEARS.
THERE WILL BE ONLY ONE.


BEE SUE.
I see the enemy
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