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Smu
Profile Joined July 2009
Serbia164 Posts
July 08 2010 16:21 GMT
#61
On July 09 2010 00:22 hellbound wrote:
Stop the Ma is probably savior nonsense! There is only one Mr. Ma and you should know that he has the quote steaming genitals of Genghis Khan /quote. I mean look at this stuff, such mastery of words, such fearlessness. He might have been losing it as a gamer but the rest of him is the same as in the days of old. I am confident that this man will be doing fine in life having retired from progaming.


Maybe if all this happened in US. In Korea, this will destroy him.
Take us into orbit Mr. Malmsteen. We've seen enough.
AdamBanks
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Canada996 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-07-08 16:23:19
July 08 2010 16:22 GMT
#62
On July 09 2010 00:22 hellbound wrote:
Stop the Ma is probably savior nonsense! There is only one Mr. Ma and you should know that he has the quote steaming genitals of Genghis Khan /quote. I mean look at this stuff, such mastery of words, such fearlessness. He might have been losing it as a gamer but the rest of him is the same as in the days of old. I am confident that this man will be doing fine in life having retired from progaming.

On the current topic: Tossgirl is meh, I suspect that people who consider her extremely hot suffer from a syndrome when men have skewed perception of a woman when perceiving an environment where the said woman is the only one or one of the very few, see military. Maybe there is a name for this illness?



Supply and demand?
I wrote a song once.
Rinrun
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada3509 Posts
July 08 2010 16:34 GMT
#63
On July 09 2010 00:22 hellbound wrote:
On the current topic: Tossgirl is meh, I suspect that people who consider her extremely hot suffer from a syndrome when men have skewed perception of a woman when perceiving an environment where the said woman is the only one or one of the very few, see military. Maybe there is a name for this illness?


Beauty is in the eye of the beholder my friend. Some people might find that a chick who loves SC and has a wicked APM as hot (plus she is pretty good lookin' too) - note what type of website we are on right now.

Now, back to the savior business... so he was like the godfather eh?
Wow, I guess if you are going to do something, be it illegal or not, might as well be at the top?
MBC/Liquid/TSM always.
ironchef
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
Canada1350 Posts
July 08 2010 16:59 GMT
#64
ahhh..Savior.. Hustlin'~
“Because your own strength is unequal to the task, do not assume that it is beyond the powers of man; but if anything is within the powers and province of man, believe that it is within your own compass also.” - Marcus Aurelius
EleanorRIgby
Profile Joined March 2008
Canada3923 Posts
July 08 2010 17:01 GMT
#65
big boss savior
savior did nothing wrong
Shiragaku
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Hong Kong4308 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-07-08 17:12:48
July 08 2010 17:07 GMT
#66
I have to admit that this is pretty interesting. I do not know whether I should be impressed or disgusted with Savior. Poor Hwasin for being such a pussy, he wife will probably be kicking his ass if he gets married.
emucxg
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Finland4559 Posts
July 08 2010 17:16 GMT
#67
savior destroyed everyone
Whiplash
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
United States2929 Posts
July 08 2010 17:28 GMT
#68
Yeah, savior really did destroy everyone in 2009...


On another note was tossgirl really dating hwasin?
Cinematographer / Steadicam Operator. Former Starcraft commentator/player
USn
Profile Joined March 2010
United States376 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-07-08 17:55:11
July 08 2010 17:54 GMT
#69
http://www.mymym.com/gfx/tossgirl-new2007.jpg

changed my mind. I'd only seen pics of her from way back, that is not especially hittable right there.
stk01001
Profile Joined September 2007
United States786 Posts
July 08 2010 18:21 GMT
#70
On July 08 2010 16:39 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:
[image loading]

The third trial of the match-fixing scandal took place on July 7th, where Jin X was called as a witness.

Jin first got the suggestion of match-fixing in the beginning of December 2009. On a chat in Battle.Net, Ma X told him: “I’ve been troubled recently. A hyung I know is doing match-fixing, he wants me to lose on purpose, and I don’t know if I should do it.” That’s when Jin first learned of match-fixing. Ma also said: “That hyung (a soccer player) is doing bets. If you throw a game, you can get rewarded. I was hesitant at first too, but I did it in the end.” He then asked Jin: “Do you have any games?”

Jin replied: “I have an OSL game, I’m already eliminated.” Ma then said: “If I did it, you should do it too. If you lose, you can get 3 000 000 won.”

After that, Jin, according to the agreement, lost the game on purpose by making control errors. The day after the game, Ma gave Jin the money at a café near Jin’s dorm.

Jin’s second fixed game was slightly different. The day before the SPL game on 2009 December 30th, Ma texted Jin and told him the opponent is going to play 2 factory management, but Jin still lost the game. After that, Ma said: “The hyung I know bet on you winning, and he lost 20 000 000, all because you lost. You should pay him back somehow. Do you have any games?”

Jin said: “Even though I know the opponent’s opening, it’s still possible to lose in the macro game, I can’t guarantee that he won’t lose money.” But he also said: “After hearing that I caused him to lose money, I’m a bit guilty, so I told him I’ll lose the MSL game the next day and amend it.”

After that, Jin again lost a game by making control errors according to the agreement, and again got 3 000 000 won in the same method as the price for losing.

Also, 2 days before a game on 2010 January 19th against Park X, Ma texted him: “Don’t worry, someone will take care of it.” Then, he relayed some information that Won X gave him.

Jin admitted his match fixing to his team’s manager in February of this year. He expressed that beyond these two games, he didn’t fix any other matches.

http://www.fomos.kr/board/board.php?mode=read&keyno=108602&db=issue

http://www.playsc.com/bbs/forum.php?mod=viewthread&tid=204453

Key:

Ma = Savior
Jin = Hwasin
Park = Luxury
Park = Yarnc
Won = Justin

Games in question:

OSL game, Yarnc > Hwasin http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/korean/games/34771_Hwasin_vs_YellOw[ArnC]

SPL game, Leta > Hwasin
http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/korean/games/34960_Hwasin_vs_Leta

MSL game, Kal 3:1 Hwasin
http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/korean/games/34964_Hwasin_vs_Kal
http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/korean/games/35065_Hwasin_vs_Kal
http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/korean/games/35066_Hwasin_vs_Kal
http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/korean/games/35067_Hwasin_vs_Kal

SPL game, Hwasin > Luxury
http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/korean/games/35152_Hwasin_vs_Luxury


One thing I'm confused about.. how did Savior know that Leta was going to be playing a 2 factory management game in the Dec 30th SPL game? If I'm interpreting the article correctly it says "Before the SPL game on Dec 30th, 2009, Ma texted Jin and told him his opponent is going to play 2 factory management.." and below it shows the Dec 30th SPL game as "Hwasin vs Leta" so this suggests Savior knew what Leta's strategy was going to be.. yet supposedly Leta was not involved in this whole match fixing scandal.. am i missing something here??
a.k.a reLapSe ---
Arite
Profile Joined April 2010
United States218 Posts
July 08 2010 18:28 GMT
#71
Pretty much half of Leta's team was match-fixing. It isn't too hard to ask one of them.
SagaZ
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
France3460 Posts
July 08 2010 18:36 GMT
#72
sounds so mafioso

oh, and savior is soooo going to jail after that
Be nice, buy wards and don't feed double buff.
Glioburd
Profile Joined April 2008
France1911 Posts
July 08 2010 19:02 GMT
#73
Poor Hwasin. I never especially liked this player but it's a very bad end for him..
"You should hate loosing, but you should never fear defeat." NaDa.
Necosarius
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
Sweden4042 Posts
July 08 2010 19:05 GMT
#74
Poor Leta

I wonder how Kal feels about his MSL win and how his relationship with Hwasin is now.
Sephy90
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States1785 Posts
July 08 2010 19:37 GMT
#75
man, after reading that i felt pretty bad for Hwasin, who knows what would've happened if he didn't "pay back" that guy by losing more games. this is so depressing =\ and the way that savior was talking, it's as if he has been doing it for a while and was getting "good" at it
"So I turned the lights off at night and practiced by myself"
WolfMother
Profile Joined October 2009
United States61 Posts
July 08 2010 19:42 GMT
#76
doesnt take away from ma's accomplishments though. Pete Rose never bet on his own team, and Michal Jordans father got wacked because of his gambling debts, oh and ever hear of the phantom punch? Savior is still Savior.
lone_hydra
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Canada1460 Posts
July 08 2010 19:47 GMT
#77
On July 09 2010 03:21 stk01001 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 08 2010 16:39 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:
[image loading]

The third trial of the match-fixing scandal took place on July 7th, where Jin X was called as a witness.

Jin first got the suggestion of match-fixing in the beginning of December 2009. On a chat in Battle.Net, Ma X told him: “I’ve been troubled recently. A hyung I know is doing match-fixing, he wants me to lose on purpose, and I don’t know if I should do it.” That’s when Jin first learned of match-fixing. Ma also said: “That hyung (a soccer player) is doing bets. If you throw a game, you can get rewarded. I was hesitant at first too, but I did it in the end.” He then asked Jin: “Do you have any games?”

Jin replied: “I have an OSL game, I’m already eliminated.” Ma then said: “If I did it, you should do it too. If you lose, you can get 3 000 000 won.”

After that, Jin, according to the agreement, lost the game on purpose by making control errors. The day after the game, Ma gave Jin the money at a café near Jin’s dorm.

Jin’s second fixed game was slightly different. The day before the SPL game on 2009 December 30th, Ma texted Jin and told him the opponent is going to play 2 factory management, but Jin still lost the game. After that, Ma said: “The hyung I know bet on you winning, and he lost 20 000 000, all because you lost. You should pay him back somehow. Do you have any games?”

Jin said: “Even though I know the opponent’s opening, it’s still possible to lose in the macro game, I can’t guarantee that he won’t lose money.” But he also said: “After hearing that I caused him to lose money, I’m a bit guilty, so I told him I’ll lose the MSL game the next day and amend it.”

After that, Jin again lost a game by making control errors according to the agreement, and again got 3 000 000 won in the same method as the price for losing.

Also, 2 days before a game on 2010 January 19th against Park X, Ma texted him: “Don’t worry, someone will take care of it.” Then, he relayed some information that Won X gave him.

Jin admitted his match fixing to his team’s manager in February of this year. He expressed that beyond these two games, he didn’t fix any other matches.

http://www.fomos.kr/board/board.php?mode=read&keyno=108602&db=issue

http://www.playsc.com/bbs/forum.php?mod=viewthread&tid=204453

Key:

Ma = Savior
Jin = Hwasin
Park = Luxury
Park = Yarnc
Won = Justin

Games in question:

OSL game, Yarnc > Hwasin http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/korean/games/34771_Hwasin_vs_YellOw[ArnC]

SPL game, Leta > Hwasin
http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/korean/games/34960_Hwasin_vs_Leta

MSL game, Kal 3:1 Hwasin
http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/korean/games/34964_Hwasin_vs_Kal
http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/korean/games/35065_Hwasin_vs_Kal
http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/korean/games/35066_Hwasin_vs_Kal
http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/korean/games/35067_Hwasin_vs_Kal

SPL game, Hwasin > Luxury
http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/korean/games/35152_Hwasin_vs_Luxury


One thing I'm confused about.. how did Savior know that Leta was going to be playing a 2 factory management game in the Dec 30th SPL game? If I'm interpreting the article correctly it says "Before the SPL game on Dec 30th, 2009, Ma texted Jin and told him his opponent is going to play 2 factory management.." and below it shows the Dec 30th SPL game as "Hwasin vs Leta" so this suggests Savior knew what Leta's strategy was going to be.. yet supposedly Leta was not involved in this whole match fixing scandal.. am i missing something here??


Obviously through Justin.
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iCDNME
Profile Joined July 2010
Australia25 Posts
July 08 2010 19:49 GMT
#78
On July 08 2010 17:25 USn wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 08 2010 16:53 iLoveKT wrote:
On July 08 2010 16:52 HaruHaru wrote:
i wonder if match fixing had to do with tossgirl breaking up with hwasin :/
that would have been a greater loss than his career imo

lol im pretty sure hwasin can easily get women 1000x hotter than tossgirl. not in jail though...


Sorry, I'd be hard pressed to find somebody 1000x hotter than tossgirl



Bisu is 1000x hotter than tossgirl.
I see the enemy
domane
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
Canada1606 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-07-08 20:20:08
July 08 2010 20:18 GMT
#79
I'm willing to give Hwasin the benefit of the doubt for his game versus Kal on Odd-Eye.


Attacking goons with unsieged tanks and vultures?

Maybe siege mode wasn't researched yet and/or he got overconfident at the start of the battle.
jalstar
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
United States8198 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-07-08 20:26:41
July 08 2010 20:26 GMT
#80
i would bet that the unknown "hyung" is actually savior, it's the classic "my friend" technique

“The hyung I know bet on you winning, and he lost 20 000 000, all because you lost. You should pay him back somehow. Do you have any games?”
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