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Braavos36375 Posts
The final few weeks of Shinhan PL are upon us. For those unfamiliar, the top 6 make the playoffs -- the culmination of an entire year's worth of Proleague matches. The format is the 5th and 6th place teams play, the winner moves to play the 4th place team, all the way up to the grand finals. I think the playoff format is three bo7s between each of the teams, but I'm not 100% sure about that.
Regardless, the standings currently look like this:
Updated w/ July 03 results (SAM vs HWA, SKT vs KTR)
1. KTR 36-16 (+46) SAM, MBC, HIT
2. STX 32-20 (+12) ACE, WJN, SKT
3. MBC 30-22 (+17) CJE, KTR, HWA
4. SKT 29-24 (+12) HWA, STX
5. CJE 29-24 ( +5) MBC, ACE
6. WEM 28-24 (+17) WJN, ACE, SAM
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7. HWA 26-26 ( -1) SKT, HIT, MBC
8. SAM 26-27 (-13) KTR, WEM
9. WJN 25-27 (+10) WEM, STX, EST
10. HIT 22-30 (-17) EST, HWA, KTR
11. EST 22-31 (-11) HIT, WJN
12. ACE 9-43 (-83) STX, WEM, CJE
(other teams -- EST, HIT, ACE have virtually no way of qualifying)
Looks like we have two spots up for contention now, #5 and #6, and five teams all with a legitimate shot going into the final weeks.
+ Show Spoiler [Old Analysis] +Analysis done on June 19
A few things come to mind, last year the playoffs featured Hite, Hwaseung, and Samsung, and all three of those teams currently are outside qualifier range. MBC, KT, and WeMade take their place. I'm especially excited about WeMade, they have some nice younger players along with some old favorites, and they should be exciting to watch in Bo7s.
Barring some monumental collapse, the only real spot in contention is #6. I pray every day that CJ can hold on.
Remaining Schedules
CJ Entus - KTR, HWA, STX, WEM, MBC, ACE
Woongjin Stars - MBC, KT, WEM, STX, EST
Samsung Khan - STX, MBC, HIT, HWA, KT, WEM
Hwaseung Oz - EST, CJ, ACE, SAM, SKT, HIT, MBC
Obviously PL is extremely difficult to predict, but let's make some assumptions! CJ is currently in the 6th spot. They have one easy match (ACE), one hard (KTR) and four 50-50s. Assuming they win at least one of those four, CJ will probably finish at worst 2-4, 28-27 (more likely 3-3, 29-26).
CJ has a worse game differential than Stars, but better than Samsung or Hwaseung. Because of this, assuming CJ goes 28-27 or better, Samsung or Hwaseung must finish 29-26 to get the last playoff spot. They both have 25 losses so it's pretty difficult to think they'd finish 5-1 or 6-1, especially considering how inconsistent their teams have been. Plus, they have KT / SKT on their schedules. Stork and Jaedong can officially start groaning now, because their teams are probably not going to qualify.
That means the race likely will come down to CJ vs Woongjin. Woongjin has a better game differential so they will only have to tie. Right now its CJ 26-23 vs Woongjin's 25-25. Woongjin will have to finish out at worst 3-2 (most likely 4-1) to tie CJ. This is a pretty close race, as many of these matches are going to ace game.
Woongjin would have had a much better chance had they not blown a 2-0 lead on Hite last week. But they still have a decent shot -- the last two weeks are going to be quite exciting if you're a CJ or Woongjin fan.
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Braavos36375 Posts
On June 20 2010 05:17 Kenpachi wrote:
CJ WILL MAKE IT NO DOUBT
I hope you're right, but its still nerve wracking. It'd ruin PL playoffs for me if we didn't at least get to see one CJ Bo7. I feel CJ's lineup spots #4-6 are stronger than most other teams. We have nice racial balance (2/2/2). The format is great for us.
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CJ can do it! I believe!
SKT better hold on to its lead. I want to see Boxer play so badly. 
I am not sure about ACE being easy...their recent records have been more impressive than some may think.
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I see a problem in your post :
HWA 23-25 with 6 matches to play > 54 matches total
CJ 26-23 with 6 to play > 55 matches total ?
KHAN > 55
Stars > 55
sup with Oz ?
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I can't believe we might miss the playoffs. I was sure it was in the bag, but I BELIEVE!
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Braavos36375 Posts
On June 20 2010 05:30 Nouar wrote:
I see a problem in your post :
HWA 23-25 with 6 matches to play > 54 matches total
CJ 26-23 with 6 to play > 55 matches total ?
KHAN > 55
Stars > 55
sup with Oz ?
Nice catch, I forgot to include Hwaseung's last game against MBC. They should all have 55 now.
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United States8476 Posts
Although Oz probably won't go 5-1 or 6-0, it's interesting to note that they have one of the easiest schedules possible. None of the teams they're facing are top 4.
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Pitcairn19291 Posts
On June 20 2010 05:42 4kmonk wrote:
Although Oz probably won't go 5-1 or 6-0, it's interesting to note that they have one of the easiest schedules possible. None of the teams they're facing are top 4.
It's not all that impossible. As long as they have Jaedong on their team, they have a legitimate shot to win every match. As long as someone else can fill in the void (Hopefully Hiya), they should have a decent chance to win every match.
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Oz gogo!!!! You can do it!!!! Just don't give in to killer's big eyes for ace matches!!!!
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Braavos36375 Posts
On June 20 2010 05:44 Roffles wrote:Show nested quote +On June 20 2010 05:42 4kmonk wrote:
Although Oz probably won't go 5-1 or 6-0, it's interesting to note that they have one of the easiest schedules possible. None of the teams they're facing are top 4. It's not all that impossible. As long as they have Jaedong on their team, they have a legitimate shot to win every match. As long as someone else can fill in the void (Hopefully Hiya), they should have a decent chance to win every match.
yeah, but at least one of cj or woongjin will finish decently, and the chance that Oz finishes 6-1 or 7-0 is quite low. you have to go back six months to find a 3-game win streak for them. they are insanely inconsistent.
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Pitcairn19291 Posts
On June 20 2010 05:52 Hot_Bid wrote:Show nested quote +On June 20 2010 05:44 Roffles wrote:On June 20 2010 05:42 4kmonk wrote:
Although Oz probably won't go 5-1 or 6-0, it's interesting to note that they have one of the easiest schedules possible. None of the teams they're facing are top 4. It's not all that impossible. As long as they have Jaedong on their team, they have a legitimate shot to win every match. As long as someone else can fill in the void (Hopefully Hiya), they should have a decent chance to win every match. yeah, but at least one of cj or woongjin will finish decently, and the chance that Oz finishes 6-1 or 7-0 is quite low. you have to go back six months to find a 3-game win streak for them. they are insanely inconsistent.
OZ won't make it (Shut it Harem), cause there's no way they go 6-1/7-0. It's possible, but as you mentioned, their team is highly inconsistent, even though they have one of the best Aces in the game. And even JD can't go undefeated in Ace matches.
Plus, I just don't think they can take MBC/SKT/Khan without losing at least 2 of those matches.
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On June 20 2010 05:56 Roffles wrote:Show nested quote +On June 20 2010 05:52 Hot_Bid wrote:On June 20 2010 05:44 Roffles wrote:On June 20 2010 05:42 4kmonk wrote:
Although Oz probably won't go 5-1 or 6-0, it's interesting to note that they have one of the easiest schedules possible. None of the teams they're facing are top 4. It's not all that impossible. As long as they have Jaedong on their team, they have a legitimate shot to win every match. As long as someone else can fill in the void (Hopefully Hiya), they should have a decent chance to win every match. yeah, but at least one of cj or woongjin will finish decently, and the chance that Oz finishes 6-1 or 7-0 is quite low. you have to go back six months to find a 3-game win streak for them. they are insanely inconsistent. OZ won't make it (Shut it Harem), cause there's no way they go 6-1/7-0. It's possible, but as you mentioned, their team is highly inconsistent, even though they have one of the best Aces in the game. And even JD can't go undefeated in Ace matches. Plus, I just don't think they can take MBC/SKT/Khan without losing at least 2 of those matches.
Actually, i think they can take Khan and MBC. Theyre just being thrown around right now.
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Will they use this formula for the playoffs? Last year the winner of 3v6 played the winner of 4v5. The winner of that series played 2, and the winner of that moved on to play 1.
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I agree that OZ can make it. It's just going to be very hard.
The situation OZ is in, by the way, is all still fallout from last year's free agency debacle. People who blame the OZ coach are forgetting that part of the agreement for keeping Jaedong was that he not be worked to death practicing for every Ace match from here to eternity. The coach had no choice but to cultivate other players, and Hiya/Lomo/Backho were all in a slump. Killer was the only choice he had left to keep his promise. He didn't win much, but he tried. Jaedong or his parents have graciously allowed him to be used as Ace a lot since then.
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United States1865 Posts
Hwaseung I believe!
This is a team that needs to make it to Playoffs - having been such a major player in them in recent proleagues it would be a huge shame to not even have them this time around.
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Almost pissed myself when i saw CJ remaining schedule on calendar: KT#1, STX#2 and Wemade on fire, thank God theres only one Jaedong!
Oz schedule is amazing btw.
But I'm sure that with  EffOrt well live through the  Snowstorm to go  sKyHigh like a Moviestar! CJ hwaiting!
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I'm little bit nervous for every CJ match. CJ ftw!
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JD is on a 12 game PL winning streak, I can totally see Oz making it, JD going 10-1 in the last 7 games is very possible, it just depends on the rest of the team.
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go KHAN!
loved how they won in 08, and loved their run in 09, knocking down 3rd seed STX as the 6th seed, so exciting to watch.
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Stars next 4 games against the top 4 teams, while playing bad matches vs teams out of the playoff picture. Ugh.
Playing free more often could have prevented this situation. I'm guessing the latest 'field all zergs' stunt was supposed to boost morale or something (if our zergs alone can beat teams...), but in retrospect it looks like a terrible coaching decision.
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Never count Khan out! As long as there is hope, the dinotoss will roar.
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Pitcairn19291 Posts
On June 20 2010 06:41 QibingZero wrote:
Stars next 4 games against the top 4 teams, while playing bad matches vs teams out of the playoff picture. Ugh.
Playing free more often could have prevented this situation. I'm guessing the latest 'field all zergs' stunt was supposed to boost morale or something (if our zergs alone can beat teams...), but in retrospect it looks like a terrible coaching decision.
Zero is quite possibly one of the worst Ace players. I don't understand why they insist on sending him instead of someone like Free + Show Spoiler +Free coulda beaten Leta, and it's pretty obvious HITE was sending Leta, so why gamble on ZvT instead of going for a PvT and playing to Leta's weakness?
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9070 Posts
On June 20 2010 05:19 Hot_Bid wrote:I hope you're right, but its still nerve wracking. It'd ruin PL playoffs for me if we didn't at least get to see one CJ Bo7. I feel CJ's lineup spots #4-6 are stronger than most other teams. We have nice racial balance (2/2/2). The format is great for us.
who is your second zerg ?
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Belgium9947 Posts
Probably one of the lamest factors in all this qualifying/not-qualifying is that teams that don't have any chance of qualifying left often just send out rookies in their last PL matches, to give them confidence and experience even though the result doesn't matter. The eSTRO Woongjin will have to face as last match will be a LOT weaker than the eSTRO CJ had to face earlier in this round, while ACE will have the same strength.
Similar things apply to qualified teams that are already certain of their relative position in the final few games. For example, if STX either fails hard it's first 4 remaining games and MBC does well, or owns really hard during those games and KT fails, they'll probably put out a decent roster for their last 2 games because they either want to remain #2 or want to climb to #1. If that's not the case though, and they find themselves in a fixed position in the second to last game against Woongjin, Woongjin might have a really easy time.
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Belgium9947 Posts
On June 20 2010 06:52 disciple wrote:Show nested quote +On June 20 2010 05:19 Hot_Bid wrote:On June 20 2010 05:17 Kenpachi wrote:
CJ WILL MAKE IT NO DOUBT I hope you're right, but its still nerve wracking. It'd ruin PL playoffs for me if we didn't at least get to see one CJ Bo7. I feel CJ's lineup spots #4-6 are stronger than most other teams. We have nice racial balance (2/2/2). The format is great for us. who is your second zerg ?
Hydra
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I really want to see Khan in post season because they're pretty much my second favorite team, but I also want Fox, CJ and SKT in there because all three have a big chance to go far. Dilemma on who to root for.
But I'm happy my favorite team has pretty much secured a spot in the finals already (knock on wood)
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WeMade Fox and SKT are only 1 game ahead of CJ in their 4th and 5th spots. Why are these not considered in contention?
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Any body have a rank Of PL ?
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On June 20 2010 07:24 Rio wrote:
Any body have a rank Of PL ?
Are you kidding me? It was the friggin' first post...
Khan has an excellent shot of making it. Khan has always been good against SKT and STX especially with Calm sucking it and Shuttle taking a mini slump.
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I really hope MBC loses most their games and have Stars moves up. In MBC's current state, they can't even put on a good show. They got Light, Sea, Hyun who can play, Tyson who can physically be sent out, and nobody else, maybe Crazy Hydra on his best day. Stars can pull 6 fully competent players and vie for top 4 at least.
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On June 20 2010 08:04 lone_hydra wrote:Are you kidding me? It was the friggin' first post... Khan has an excellent shot of making it. Khan has always been good against SKT and STX especially with Calm sucking it and Shuttle taking a mini slump.
hope you don't jinx us
realistically, it's a real longshot, but if we do make it, it would be all the more sweet.
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CJ is done. I predict CJ will lose 5 of its matches and Khan will take the 6th spot.
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Really want CJ in the playoffs :X
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Aotearoa39261 Posts
I think you have the playoff structure wrong hotbid  pretty sure its 6v3, 5v4, winner vs winner, winner vs 2, winner vs 1.
or equivalently; (((3v6)v(5v4))v2)v1
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yeah im pretty sure the format of last season's playoffs was as plexa stated. Hb's is for stx cup and winners league afaik.
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The pro league playoff format annoys me a little...
Why can't they just use the format in all other pro sports?
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T.T... I want both of CJ and Woongjin to qualify.... fuck u ,Wemade and SKT
damnit HwaseungOz.... 5-1/6-1 is pretty much impossible...
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man I wanted to see JD in the playoffs so bad hes been rippin it up this season, and last season, and the last season and the last season and the... you get the picture.
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On June 20 2010 06:56 RaGe wrote:
Probably one of the lamest factors in all this qualifying/not-qualifying is that teams that don't have any chance of qualifying left often just send out rookies in their last PL matches, to give them confidence and experience even though the result doesn't matter. The eSTRO Woongjin will have to face as last match will be a LOT weaker than the eSTRO CJ had to face earlier in this round, while ACE will have the same strength.
This is true, and yes it's lame, but it happens in every sport. So short of changing the entire world, not much we can do about it.
Also: KHAN!
KHAN seriously seems to me to have much better chances at unseating CJ than Woongjin does, Woongjin's so inconsistent and their lineup decisions are such total nonsense half the time. I'll readily admit Stars have better players overall at the moment, but they're just not performing to potential.
On the other hand, KHAN is getting ace-level work from great at the moment, and Juni and Chavi are winning games consistently, which is patently ridiculous. Stork is looking solid, and Jangbi is okay if not great. A competent Terran would help, but I have faith that fbh will magically return with four matches left to go and single-handedly carry KHAN to another championship... er, sorry, got my predictions mixed up with the movie script I'm working on.
But anyway, I still give KHAN better chances. Maybe I'm just a fanboy.
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C'mon KHAN! Make the playoffs and have FBH win the grand finals. His redemption will be complete!
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I believe in Woongjin. So STX is pretty screwd for that #1 spot huh?
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On June 20 2010 12:05 Musoeun wrote:
I have faith that fbh will magically return with four matches left to go and single-handedly carry KHAN to another championship... er, sorry, got my predictions mixed up with the movie script I'm working on.
Now that's a screenplay I'd like to read
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Note: Khan is on a four win streak
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51449 Posts
If it hasn't been said yet it's actually 3v6 + 5v4, 3v6/5v4 PO, 3v6/5v4 vs 2 PO, then Finals.
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One Step Closer. GoGoGo CJ.
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Wemade better not choke.
I want to see their team in a Bo7. Use that All-Terran lineup literally to your advantage. (Midas, Nada, Mind, Baby, Major barrage). Hell, that might actually be viable. X_X
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I'm rooting for CJ and hoping that they play better.
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Especially after the match-fixing scandal, I'm hoping CJ goes through to the playoffs. After their victory over KT, it's looking like a very good possibility.
It'd be great if Woongjin could go through too, but with Bisu looking like he will soon be back in top form, I can't see SKT dropping out.
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Come on Oz...please make it.
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Wemadefox and SKT should be in the race too. For example, consider SKT's schedule. THey have a [pretty hard schedule left, considering They beat the scrub teams like estro, ace, hite. It is pretty conceivable they might still drop out of playoffs.
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Braavos36375 Posts
big win tonight, KT was one of CJ's hard matches
feeling good about our chances now
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Hoping that KHAN would make it ...they are doing good so far hope they continue wining .
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I think if Bisu returns to top form and SKT's zergs do decently, they have a shot at second place. Since STX has been not performing well lately, as noted by them not able to close the gaps even when flash lost like...6 ace matches in a row.
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Gogogogo wemade. 
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IF Khan wins tonight I'll start believing...
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I figure no one knows what kespa will choose to do, but I'm going to be seriously sad if they choose not to announce lineups ahead of time for the playoffs. It's way more fun to know the lineups ahead of time and speculate/talk about them on liquid. It allows for more epic hype.
PLEASE. Announce the lineups KESPA
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I hope CJ stays in it and Oz sneaks in! :D Then the top 6 will be the best it could possibly be IMO.
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Personally, I'd be happy if it stayed as it was, or if Oz replaced MBC. Since it isn't going to happen, I like the way it is now.
SKT/CJ fighting.
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Braavos36375 Posts
1. 34-15 KTR
2. 31-19 STX
3. 28-21 MBC
4. 28-22 SKT
5. 27-23 WEM
6. 27-23 CJE
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7. 25-25 WJN
8. 25-25 SAM
9. 24-25 HWA
Pretty close now! Since Samsung and Hwaseung both won a few days ago, spots 4-6 are all up for grabs, though SKT at #4 is probably safe, especially given how good their best players looked in that match against Wemade.
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On June 21 2010 14:47 Chrispy wrote:
I hope CJ stays in it and Oz sneaks in! :D Then the top 6 will be the best it could possibly be IMO.
Yup exactly!
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Hungary11291 Posts
On June 22 2010 05:46 CynanMachae wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2010 14:47 Chrispy wrote:
I hope CJ stays in it and Oz sneaks in! :D Then the top 6 will be the best it could possibly be IMO. Yup exactly!
I don't see how Oz would be fun in a Bo7. Jaedong and Hiya might be notable, but the rest is just poor. Teams like Woongjin, with such a broad lineup, would be way more interesting.
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On June 22 2010 06:06 Aesop wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2010 05:46 CynanMachae wrote:On June 21 2010 14:47 Chrispy wrote:
I hope CJ stays in it and Oz sneaks in! :D Then the top 6 will be the best it could possibly be IMO. Yup exactly! I don't see how Oz would be fun in a Bo7. Jaedong and Hiya might be notable, but the rest is just poor. Teams like Woongjin, with such a broad lineup, would be way more interesting.
in playoffs (and starcraft in general), anything can happen.
veterans show their experience, newer players show their potential, amazing comebacks/blunders can happen, and a whole bunch of intangibles can make for very exciting and entertaining games.
i didn't think Oz would beat CJ's seemingly "better, broader" team last year in the playoffs.
but some surprising entertaining games came out of it, and Oz won in the end.
in the end, it's a fan thing. if you enjoy watching certain players play, of course you'll find that players'/team's matches more interesting.
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5-win streak and still going! Go Khan!
+ Show Spoiler +and down with Wemade and especially CJ
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9070 Posts
I really hope SKT to push themselves for the 2nd spot, but comparing the schedules of both teams (T1 and STX that is), it seems impossible
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Braavos36375 Posts
Here is who I'd want in the playoffs in order of entertainment value:
1. SK Telecom
Obvious. They are the defending champs, and they have a playoff mystique about them. They also have two of the most entertaining players ever (Fantasy and Bisu). When those guys are playing well, it's really really fun to watch. Even their role guys are fun -- Best with his brute force everything, and Hyuk with his Hyukness. Very happy they beat Wemade last night, they are almost assured of a spot.
2. KT Rolster
First, Flash is the best player right now (though his recent ace matches are suspect). Though the other KT players aren't particularly fun or exciting, this team has great history. They used to be the Red Sox to SKT's Yankees but then slumped for a while. But now they developed some home grown players and became "good" again very recently. Still, I wonder if they have the depth to be competitive in a Bo7. But you must have the current #1 player in PL playoffs, and that's Flash.
3. CJ Entus
I admit it. I'm biased. But even if I wasn't, I'd want this team in. They are a team with one balanced ace (Effort) and then several efficient snipers (Skyhigh vT, Snow vT, Movie vZ, and even Iris vT). Their coaching staff is thorough and their play is very well practiced and smart. This produces high quality and entertaining matches. They will also get to show their depth in the Bo7 format. Speaking as a CJ fan, I can't see any other team's #3-4 matching Skyhigh and Movie (other than SKT).
4. WeMade FOX
Entertaining and fan favorite vets (Midas, Nada) with a rising new ace (Baby) and several young, interesting players (Shine, Roro). This team has traditionally sucked but they are fun to watch. They have insane depth if Mind and Pure start playing well again.
5. Samsung KHAN
After several rounds of sucking, Samsung has turned in on the final few weeks with Great leading the way. It'd be weird to have a playoffs without Stork, Jangbi, and FBH. Samsung has been so consistently at the top for so long, and suddenly they are in danger of missing the playoffs. Let's hope they make it.
6. Hwaseung Oz
Jaedong! He probably wants revenge so badly for last year's double loss to Fantasy in the PL playoffs. In fact, losing twice to Fantasy there probably hurts him more than winning the OSL against Fantasy during that same time period. Hiya is solid, and the other three -- Killer, Lomo, and Backho -- are all hilarious in their win/fail ridiculousness.
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Agree with Hot_bid except for one team.
Out with Oz, in with Woongjin. I don't want to watch Jaedong Oz again, especially in a Bo7.
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Braavos36375 Posts
Why not...
MBC - Not enough entertainment. Their role players suck and their main guys (Light and Sea) are fun to root for but unfortunately are quite boring. If there was still teamplay or if they still had July or some other entertaining non-Terran, I'd want them in.
STX - Used to be fun. Now they have been slumping, so their appeal is kind of dulled. No Hwasin, and Hero has been sucking too.
Woongjin - They don't have an ace. Every other team on my list has a fun, exciting ace. Zero and Free don't count. If there was a 7th team, I'd want these guys though, mainly because I like Guemchi and MVP lol.
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On June 20 2010 06:04 Kenpachi wrote:Show nested quote +On June 20 2010 05:56 Roffles wrote:On June 20 2010 05:52 Hot_Bid wrote:On June 20 2010 05:44 Roffles wrote:On June 20 2010 05:42 4kmonk wrote:
Although Oz probably won't go 5-1 or 6-0, it's interesting to note that they have one of the easiest schedules possible. None of the teams they're facing are top 4. It's not all that impossible. As long as they have Jaedong on their team, they have a legitimate shot to win every match. As long as someone else can fill in the void (Hopefully Hiya), they should have a decent chance to win every match. yeah, but at least one of cj or woongjin will finish decently, and the chance that Oz finishes 6-1 or 7-0 is quite low. you have to go back six months to find a 3-game win streak for them. they are insanely inconsistent. OZ won't make it (Shut it Harem), cause there's no way they go 6-1/7-0. It's possible, but as you mentioned, their team is highly inconsistent, even though they have one of the best Aces in the game. And even JD can't go undefeated in Ace matches. Plus, I just don't think they can take MBC/SKT/Khan without losing at least 2 of those matches. Actually, i think they can take Khan and MBC. Theyre just being thrown around right now.
Think about it this way though. I think if Oz goes 7-0/6-1, from here on, they will be a serious contender to win in the playoffs just off pure momentum. Same thing can be said about Khan.
You right about JD not able to win every match, but JD is one game away from setting the longest PL winstreak, so I think its safe to say, JD can carry his team. Further, Hiya can play extremely well win the time calls for it. The real issue, is Lomo, and Killer and whether or not they can stop matches getting to Ace.
I really think it comes down to there match against CJ, Khan, and SKT. Because those are the hardest matches by far, and giving CJ and Khan a loss will give them an even better edge.
I want to see Oz make it just because i want to see a comeback.
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On June 22 2010 08:36 Hot_Bid wrote:
Here is who I'd want in the playoffs in order of entertainment value:
1. SK Telecom
Obvious. They are the defending champs, and they have a playoff mystique about them. They also have two of the most entertaining players ever (Fantasy and Bisu). When those guys are playing well, it's really really fun to watch. Even their role guys are fun -- Best with his brute force everything, and Hyuk with his Hyukness. Very happy they beat Wemade last night, they are almost assured of a spot.
2. KT Rolster
First, Flash is the best player right now (though his recent ace matches are suspect). Though the other KT players aren't particularly fun or exciting, this team has great history. They used to be the Red Sox to SKT's Yankees but then slumped for a while. But now they developed some home grown players and became "good" again very recently. Still, I wonder if they have the depth to be competitive in a Bo7. But you must have the current #1 player in PL playoffs, and that's Flash.
3. CJ Entus
I admit it. I'm biased. But even if I wasn't, I'd want this team in. They are a team with one balanced ace (Effort) and then several efficient snipers (Skyhigh vT, Snow vT, Movie vZ, and even Iris vT). Their coaching staff is thorough and their play is very well practiced and smart. This produces high quality and entertaining matches. They will also get to show their depth in the Bo7 format. Speaking as a CJ fan, I can't see any other team's #3-4 matching Skyhigh and Movie (other than SKT).
4. WeMade FOX
Entertaining and fan favorite vets (Midas, Nada) with a rising new ace (Baby) and several young, interesting players (Shine, Roro). This team has traditionally sucked but they are fun to watch. They have insane depth if Mind and Pure start playing well again.
5. Samsung KHAN
After several rounds of sucking, Samsung has turned in on the final few weeks with Great leading the way. It'd be weird to have a playoffs without Stork, Jangbi, and FBH. Samsung has been so consistently at the top for so long, and suddenly they are in danger of missing the playoffs. Let's hope they make it.
6. Hwaseung Oz
Jaedong! He probably wants revenge so badly for last year's double loss to Fantasy in the PL playoffs. In fact, losing twice to Fantasy there probably hurts him more than winning the OSL against Fantasy during that same time period. Hiya is solid, and the other three -- Killer, Lomo, and Backho -- are all hilarious in their win/fail ridiculousness.
I'd take your list minus WeMade, and add Woongjin.
I just enjoy watching Free play that much.
p.s. who's #2 on CJ? I always assumed Skyhigh and Movie were 2-3.
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On June 22 2010 09:58 nextstep wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2010 08:36 Hot_Bid wrote:
Here is who I'd want in the playoffs in order of entertainment value:
1. SK Telecom
Obvious. They are the defending champs, and they have a playoff mystique about them. They also have two of the most entertaining players ever (Fantasy and Bisu). When those guys are playing well, it's really really fun to watch. Even their role guys are fun -- Best with his brute force everything, and Hyuk with his Hyukness. Very happy they beat Wemade last night, they are almost assured of a spot.
2. KT Rolster
First, Flash is the best player right now (though his recent ace matches are suspect). Though the other KT players aren't particularly fun or exciting, this team has great history. They used to be the Red Sox to SKT's Yankees but then slumped for a while. But now they developed some home grown players and became "good" again very recently. Still, I wonder if they have the depth to be competitive in a Bo7. But you must have the current #1 player in PL playoffs, and that's Flash.
3. CJ Entus
I admit it. I'm biased. But even if I wasn't, I'd want this team in. They are a team with one balanced ace (Effort) and then several efficient snipers (Skyhigh vT, Snow vT, Movie vZ, and even Iris vT). Their coaching staff is thorough and their play is very well practiced and smart. This produces high quality and entertaining matches. They will also get to show their depth in the Bo7 format. Speaking as a CJ fan, I can't see any other team's #3-4 matching Skyhigh and Movie (other than SKT).
4. WeMade FOX
Entertaining and fan favorite vets (Midas, Nada) with a rising new ace (Baby) and several young, interesting players (Shine, Roro). This team has traditionally sucked but they are fun to watch. They have insane depth if Mind and Pure start playing well again.
5. Samsung KHAN
After several rounds of sucking, Samsung has turned in on the final few weeks with Great leading the way. It'd be weird to have a playoffs without Stork, Jangbi, and FBH. Samsung has been so consistently at the top for so long, and suddenly they are in danger of missing the playoffs. Let's hope they make it.
6. Hwaseung Oz
Jaedong! He probably wants revenge so badly for last year's double loss to Fantasy in the PL playoffs. In fact, losing twice to Fantasy there probably hurts him more than winning the OSL against Fantasy during that same time period. Hiya is solid, and the other three -- Killer, Lomo, and Backho -- are all hilarious in their win/fail ridiculousness. I'd take your list minus WeMade, and add Woongjin. I just enjoy watching Free play that much. p.s. who's #2 on CJ? I always assumed Skyhigh and Movie were 2-3.
Snow's probably the #2 player on CJ now (so while CJ probably has the best 3/4, their 1/2 leaves much to be desired especially if Effort doesn't raise his game).
Honestly I'd rather have last year's Effort than the one that just won OSL. At this time last year it really felt like Effort could beat anyone (and indeed he beat everyone except finally dropping a super-ace to Jaedong).
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On June 22 2010 10:06 darktreb wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2010 09:58 nextstep wrote:On June 22 2010 08:36 Hot_Bid wrote:
Here is who I'd want in the playoffs in order of entertainment value:
1. SK Telecom
Obvious. They are the defending champs, and they have a playoff mystique about them. They also have two of the most entertaining players ever (Fantasy and Bisu). When those guys are playing well, it's really really fun to watch. Even their role guys are fun -- Best with his brute force everything, and Hyuk with his Hyukness. Very happy they beat Wemade last night, they are almost assured of a spot.
2. KT Rolster
First, Flash is the best player right now (though his recent ace matches are suspect). Though the other KT players aren't particularly fun or exciting, this team has great history. They used to be the Red Sox to SKT's Yankees but then slumped for a while. But now they developed some home grown players and became "good" again very recently. Still, I wonder if they have the depth to be competitive in a Bo7. But you must have the current #1 player in PL playoffs, and that's Flash.
3. CJ Entus
I admit it. I'm biased. But even if I wasn't, I'd want this team in. They are a team with one balanced ace (Effort) and then several efficient snipers (Skyhigh vT, Snow vT, Movie vZ, and even Iris vT). Their coaching staff is thorough and their play is very well practiced and smart. This produces high quality and entertaining matches. They will also get to show their depth in the Bo7 format. Speaking as a CJ fan, I can't see any other team's #3-4 matching Skyhigh and Movie (other than SKT).
4. WeMade FOX
Entertaining and fan favorite vets (Midas, Nada) with a rising new ace (Baby) and several young, interesting players (Shine, Roro). This team has traditionally sucked but they are fun to watch. They have insane depth if Mind and Pure start playing well again.
5. Samsung KHAN
After several rounds of sucking, Samsung has turned in on the final few weeks with Great leading the way. It'd be weird to have a playoffs without Stork, Jangbi, and FBH. Samsung has been so consistently at the top for so long, and suddenly they are in danger of missing the playoffs. Let's hope they make it.
6. Hwaseung Oz
Jaedong! He probably wants revenge so badly for last year's double loss to Fantasy in the PL playoffs. In fact, losing twice to Fantasy there probably hurts him more than winning the OSL against Fantasy during that same time period. Hiya is solid, and the other three -- Killer, Lomo, and Backho -- are all hilarious in their win/fail ridiculousness. I'd take your list minus WeMade, and add Woongjin. I just enjoy watching Free play that much. p.s. who's #2 on CJ? I always assumed Skyhigh and Movie were 2-3. Snow's probably the #2 player on CJ now (so while CJ probably has the best 3/4, their 1/2 leaves much to be desired especially if Effort doesn't raise his game). Honestly I'd rather have last year's Effort than the one that just won OSL. At this time last year it really felt like Effort could beat anyone (and indeed he beat everyone except finally dropping a super-ace to Jaedong).
hmm, ur right, just checked his stats, he's on a beastly run right now.
and don't remind me of Effort lol, i'm still stinging from last year's playoffs
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Here's hoping SKT can nab 2nd!
but more likely they'll end at 3rd, take down khan then mbc, demolish stx without hwasin, and epic match KT into a super-super-ace match with Bisu > Flash :D
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Just one question. Are there super-ace matches this postseason? Because last time I heard, they got rid of super ace and just added a 3rd day of matches if 2 is not enough.
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FREEAGLELAND26781 Posts
After June 23rd results (end of R5W4):
| 1. KT | 34-16 | +42 |
| 2. STX | 31-19 | +13 |
| 3. MBC | 30-20 | +18 |
| 4. SKT | 28-22 | +13 |
| 5. FOX | 27-23 | +16 |
| 6. CJ | 27-24 | +02 |
| 7. OZ | 25-25 | -02 |
| 8. KHAN | 25-25 | -11 |
| 9. Stars | 25-26 | +12 |
| 10. eSTRO | 22-29 | -07 |
| 11. Hite | 21-29 | -15 |
| 12. ACE | 08-43 | -65 |
Wow Stars, KHAN, OZ...
Still though, hitting playoffs for either of these teams is going to be tough. They're just hoping CJ will lose now. KT, STX, and MBC are pretty much locked in, so let's look at the remaining teams.
+ Show Spoiler [SKT's remaining matches] ++ Show Spoiler [FOX's remaining matches] +eSTRO, CJ, Stars, ACE, KHAN ACE, KHAN, SKT, Hite, MBC
SKT I think is pretty much locked into a playoff spot as well, though just to be thorough I'll go through all this. They should definitely win against Hite, against MBC I'd put them as the favourite, 50-50 against KT (even though Flash is currently not doing well), should beat OZ, and STX is not doing well but is still dangerous. SKT probably going to go 4-1 in their last five matches to finish at 32-23, though I'd say 31-24 is more reasonable, given the volatile nature of PL.
FOX has mostly easier teams remaining; they should beat CJ and ACE, and against CJ and Stars I think FOX has the depth and tools (terran imba!) to beat those two teams, though it's kind of iffy. I'd still put them as the favourite over KHAN, so FOX going 4-1 seems very possible to me, putting them right behind SKT with an aggregate record of 31-24.
So I think the top 5 should be safe for now, and like any good race, it all comes down to the last qualifying spot, and that really falls down to CJ, OZ, KHAN, and Stars.
CJ's still got some tough matches left. STX, even though they're sucking, can put up a good fight so it'd be hard to call. I believe FOX > CJ at the moment, since though CJ has a lot of very good vT snipers, FOX can pull out Shine or RorO to mess things up a bit, and we really don't like sKyHigh's TvZ. MBC is like STX, it's very hard to call, and ACE, well even though we want them to win CJ should win that. So I'd say CJ probabilistically should go 2-2 in their last four matches, putting them at 29-26, but it could very easily be 3-1 or 1-3.
OZ should be able to beat ACE (lawl 2-game losing streak v ACE for OZ) and Hite (JD >>>> Hite), probably not SKT (though they did R4... then again SKT didn't do well R4), and MBC really seems like a toss-up to me, since it's all about how well Sea and Light can avoid Jaedong. KHAN is the big toss-up game, since right now OZ and KHAN are tied up--OZ is just ahead in the game differential by 9 points, and I think OZ can beat KHAN still, as long as HiyA tries to play standard. Probably going to go 3-2, but it's really damn hard to predict how OZ does. 3-2 or 1-3 is @_@ even though OZ went 3-1 both times this week. Also whoa I just realized Killer won both deciding matches for OZ, both against Terran as well. Still though, Killer sucks. So probably a 28-27 final result for OZ, but could be 29-26 or who knows. I still don't see them beating out CJ, unless CJ starts losing more.
Man v MBC matches are always hard to call. KHAN should beat Hite... and that's the only 'guarantee' I can see. Despite Flash's recent failings, I still don't think they can beat KT, OZ is a toss-up, don't think they will beat FOX, and MBC is iffy. I see KHAN most likely going 2-3 with a final record of 27-28.
And Stars I think is out of the race at this point. They've got KT, FOX, and STX left, teams that are all very dangerous and very capable of beating Stars. They should beat eSTRO, yeah, but at best I see Stars going 2-2, putting them at 27-28.
So at this point, I think the top three spots are decided (at least amongst the three teams occupying them). KT, even after this string of Ace losses for Flash, definitely should remain in first, and STX may be overtaken by MBC for second, though I see anybody but those two teams occupying 2 and 3. SKT and FOX fight over 4 and 5, with SKT more likely to take the 4 spot.
6 is really interesting. CJ is fully capable of defending 6 since it has an extra two wins over its close competition at this point, but it still has some tough matches coming up. Whichever team wins between OZ and KHAN should pull ahead for spot 7, and after an 0-2 week, Stars is most likely out of playoffs.
Here's to Hite, eSTRO, and Air Force ACE (Go ACE! 2-0 this week!) shaking things up a bit from the bottom of the ladder, though.
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Khan need a string of 3-0 to ease that horrible point differential =S
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Go Oz, Go Oz, GO! C'mon Ozzies! I BELIEVE!
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This really opened the #6 up to competition. If WeMade falters then #5 will be as well. But their ace isn't in a horribad slump, so they should be fine.
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Is someone updating this? I think it should be kept updated :D
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FREEAGLELAND26781 Posts
On June 23 2010 16:25 Beloth(OD) wrote:
Is someone updating this? I think it should be kept updated :D
I just did! :3
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United States10774 Posts
I believe in my KHAN boys. I haven't seen Great play this "great" in a while. Stork and Jangbi are following the lead, too. Let's do it.
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pripple
Finland1714 Posts
damn Oz getting my hopes high now, better keep it going then!
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CJ will only do well if all their players play to their potential, similarly to woongjin. I feel those are the strongest depth teams but often come up short. KHAN seems to be doing well lately and so does SKT. I find it rather odd that the teams I don't even want to see lately are the top teams (MBC, KT and a lackluster STX) who are all doing poorly.
In the end, I'm just looking for some entertaining games and hopefully Bisu pulls some miraculous games (Also rooting for JD to make playoffs even though Oz is not that great )
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+ Show Spoiler [recent results] +1. 34-16 KTR
2. 31-20 STX
3. 29-21 MBC
4. 28-22 SKT
5. 28-23 WEM
6. 28-24 CJE
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7. 25-25 HWA
8. 25-25 SAM
9. 25-26 WJN
I'd say there's less than a 1% chance Stars make the playoffs now. If OZ or KHAN win out they might make the playoffs, with KHAN having a better chance due to set differential. SKT and WeMade look like locks as well.
Predictions: CJ will lose to MBC and WeMade but beat ACE, finishing 29-26. Stars will lose to KT and WeMade but beat STX and eSTRO, finishing 27-28. KHAN should beat MBC, hite, and OZ but lose to KT and WeMade to go 28-27. OZ should beat ACE and hite but can't take on KHAN, MBC, or SKT, and they'll finish 27-28.
Basically, the top 5 spots are wrapped up, and the last spot will go to CJ most likely, but the winner of OZ vs KHAN also has a chance.
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Don't you mean Oz has a better chnce due to set differential?
Khan have got the worst set differential...
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It's funny how based on pure star power, my ideal six playoffs teams basically consist of everybody who didn't make it... T_T
STX, SKT, CJ, Oz, Khan, and Stars, in no particular order.
Because honestly, who wants to see MBC, Fox and KT play Bo7 PvTs :\
Oh well...
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The playoff teams are pretty nice atm, although I'd really like KHAN instead of MBC. Unfortunately, at this point it's impossible for those two to switch places. I guess I'd be satisfied the way it is now, since I like most of these teams. KT and STX should stop sucking though.
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KT isn't sucking, Flash is just losing ace matches.
To reiterate -- Stats Violet and Forgg are all excellent backup and Kt is only lacking in zergs who are competent in all matchups as opposed to just one like Hoejja. Flash needs to regain his ace mojo. If Flash had his #1 ace aura going KT would've won every game.
Obviously it puts a lot on Flash but KT's team itself is fine.
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Radfield
Canada2720 Posts
Wemade is still blasting along. They have such a weak line-up on paper, and yet always seem to get it done. Roro, Mind, Baby, Shine, Pure, Midas. All of these guys can take a game of pretty much any A-teamer, and the way Baby is playing, he can take a game off anybody. Really looking forward to the playoffs.
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At this point, the top 6 are basically fixed unless someone fucks up really really badly and someone else goes on a miracle streak.
The only switch that's possible that I'd like to see is kahn instead of wemade, but there's about 0 chance that'll happen.
I feel bad for people clinging to hope oz, kahn, or stars will make it in. I feel your pain. I watched and cried as flash took out fbh in that epic ace match putting ktf back in the race. Then watched them crash and burn. Especially since they'll get about the same results.
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On June 26 2010 19:02 TwoToneTerran wrote:
KT isn't sucking, Flash is just losing ace matches.
To reiterate -- Stats Violet and Forgg are all excellent backup and Kt is only lacking in zergs who are competent in all matchups as opposed to just one like Hoejja. Flash needs to regain his ace mojo. If Flash had his #1 ace aura going KT would've won every game.
Obviously it puts a lot on Flash but KT's team itself is fine.
The reason Flash has lost every ace match is because KT can't bring it together to get 2 wins next to Flash's.
Imo KT (without Flash) going 1-3 every match is kinda sucking for me...
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+ Show Spoiler +Since CJ won yesterday, it means that Oz basically has to win all their games and CJ has to lose twice in their next coming games, unless Cj loses all their upcoming games which allows Oz to lose once. Not looking too good for Oz's playoff chances
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OZ can still advance even if CJ only loses 1 game. The game differential between them is only +4 in favor of CJ so it's probable the OZ will make that up if they finish the season undefeated, especially since they have an extra match to play.
If CJ loses twice, then OZ could lose 1 game and still make it up in the points section. They just have to keep going 3-1 like they've been doing.
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Braavos36375 Posts
you guys don't have to spoiler, it's assumed nobody is going to come in here to discuss results if they want to watch the PL games
anyway, last night's win was hugeee. CJ now has WeMade, MBC, and Ace left on the schedule, and they can qualify almost certainly by winning 2 of 3, and may still qualify even just winning 1 of 3
samsung and hwaseung pretty much have to sweep their remaining games, and they play each other next week. it's looking good for CJ -- i hope i don't jinx them lol
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On June 26 2010 21:58 SuperArc wrote:Show nested quote +On June 26 2010 19:02 TwoToneTerran wrote:
KT isn't sucking, Flash is just losing ace matches.
To reiterate -- Stats Violet and Forgg are all excellent backup and Kt is only lacking in zergs who are competent in all matchups as opposed to just one like Hoejja. Flash needs to regain his ace mojo. If Flash had his #1 ace aura going KT would've won every game.
Obviously it puts a lot on Flash but KT's team itself is fine. The reason Flash has lost every ace match is because KT can't bring it together to get 2 wins next to Flash's. Imo KT (without Flash) going 1-3 every match is kinda sucking for me...
KT got two wins twice without Flash playing.
Edit: More importantly, it's with Stats and ForGG beating the other team's aces. Unless you want to discredit ForGG's crushing wins over Zero and Really, or how Stats tore apart Effort.
KT loses because we end up playing Firefist and Hoejja in the wrong matchups, or Flash doesn't play a regular match etc and then it leads to ace where Flash's weird ass slump hits. The core of KT is playing just fine.
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I still believe in MBC for #2!
Of course, if they're #3, that will just be more games that I get to see them play ^^
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On June 27 2010 12:14 matjlav wrote:
I still believe in MBC for #2!
Of course, if they're #3, that will just be more games that I get to see them play ^^
They won't be next week >
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fuck at this rate stx will lose the number 2 spot to mbc or skt. and if you're not no1 or no2 in this playoff format you have basically no chance of winning
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On June 27 2010 12:14 matjlav wrote:
I still believe in MBC for #2!
Of course, if they're #3, that will just be more games that I get to see them play ^^
MBC is now no. 4...
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On June 27 2010 15:07 Eiserne wrote:Show nested quote +On June 27 2010 12:14 matjlav wrote:
I still believe in MBC for #2!
Of course, if they're #3, that will just be more games that I get to see them play ^^ MBC is now no. 4...
ffffuuuuu-
oh well, i still believe. kind of. mbc vs skt will be pretty important.
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On June 27 2010 15:16 matjlav wrote:Show nested quote +On June 27 2010 15:07 Eiserne wrote:On June 27 2010 12:14 matjlav wrote:
I still believe in MBC for #2!
Of course, if they're #3, that will just be more games that I get to see them play ^^ MBC is now no. 4... ffffuuuuu- oh well, i still believe. kind of. mbc vs skt will be pretty important.
SKT is just about exactly the same thing Khan is, except they have better protoss, and a terran that doesn't suck. What do you expect to happen?
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Roffles
Pitcairn19291 Posts
On June 27 2010 15:44 Lightwip wrote:Show nested quote +On June 27 2010 15:16 matjlav wrote:On June 27 2010 15:07 Eiserne wrote:On June 27 2010 12:14 matjlav wrote:
I still believe in MBC for #2!
Of course, if they're #3, that will just be more games that I get to see them play ^^ MBC is now no. 4... ffffuuuuu- oh well, i still believe. kind of. mbc vs skt will be pretty important. SKT is just about exactly the same thing Khan is, except they have better protoss, and a terran that doesn't suck. What do you expect to happen?
Plus it also doesn't hurt that both teams are completely on fire as of late. KHAN's trio of Jangbi/Great/Stork and T1's Best/Fantasy/Zergs have been absolutely dominant as of late. MBC on the other hand looks ehh. Sea isn't looking all that great, and Light's play has severely dipped since WL.
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On June 27 2010 17:37 Roffles wrote:Show nested quote +On June 27 2010 15:44 Lightwip wrote:On June 27 2010 15:16 matjlav wrote:On June 27 2010 15:07 Eiserne wrote:On June 27 2010 12:14 matjlav wrote:
I still believe in MBC for #2!
Of course, if they're #3, that will just be more games that I get to see them play ^^ MBC is now no. 4... ffffuuuuu- oh well, i still believe. kind of. mbc vs skt will be pretty important. SKT is just about exactly the same thing Khan is, except they have better protoss, and a terran that doesn't suck. What do you expect to happen? Plus it also doesn't hurt that both teams are completely on fire as of late. KHAN's trio of Jangbi/Great/Stork and T1's Best/Fantasy/Zergs have been absolutely dominant as of late. MBC on the other hand looks ehh. Sea isn't looking all that great, and Light's play has severely dipped since WL.
if only KHAN didn't have that 2-9 Airforce ACE-like record at the beginning of the season.
it was so hard to climb back from such a deficit. :S
edit: i don't know why i quoted you roffles lol, my post didn't have anything to do with what you wrote. guess i had another message in mind, but forgot.
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Well unless Oz or Khan don't go 5-0 in their last games they are out unless the other teams go like 0-4... So if Oz or Khan win everything they get 30 wins. Spots 4-6 have 28 wins each, but since Oz will have more ind games won than CJ, if CJ gets 30 wins than Oz would get 6th, that means if CJ goes 2-1 and Khan or Oz play perfect then they are out, on the other hand, Wemade only has to go 2-2 to advance and Skt has to go 2-3, and that's with 7th or 8th place going for 5-0 which will be hard as it is. It will actually be close even if Oz/khan clean sweeps.
Oz fighting.
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On June 27 2010 06:41 Hot_Bid wrote:
you guys don't have to spoiler, it's assumed nobody is going to come in here to discuss results if they want to watch the PL games
anyway, last night's win was hugeee. CJ now has WeMade, MBC, and Ace left on the schedule, and they can qualify almost certainly by winning 2 of 3, and may still qualify even just winning 1 of 3
samsung and hwaseung pretty much have to sweep their remaining games, and they play each other next week. it's looking good for CJ -- i hope i don't jinx them lol
this posts reminds me of a certain MSL news post from last year "can you imagine if the finals were calm vs kwanro?!"
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Suprised noone bumped this seing as + Show Spoiler +
+ Show Spoiler +Oh well this has put Khan in a good position as im fairly confident they can go 4-0 with the matches they got left.
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There are two fronts of fight now. The fight for 6-th spot between Khan and CJ, and the fight for 2-nd spot between STX, SKT and FOX.
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They still got a slim chance but they need to win all their games while CJ must go 1-2.
Also Khan needs to lose a game to even it up as oz would then lead in point diffrental.
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Oz and Khan still play each other so no, Oz' chances are not dead
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Yep I always thought Backho is the most reliable player Oz has...
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Khan tearing shit up 6 win streak FKK yeah!
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I'm trying to decide whether to root for CJ or WeMade tonight. One way or the other, the match will reduce it to a 3-way race for the final spot, and I like WeMade better, so I'll probably be hoping for another WeMade sweep, but I can't figure out if CJ's current extra loss matters in the standings.
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On June 27 2010 15:44 Lightwip wrote:Show nested quote +On June 27 2010 15:16 matjlav wrote:On June 27 2010 15:07 Eiserne wrote:On June 27 2010 12:14 matjlav wrote:
I still believe in MBC for #2!
Of course, if they're #3, that will just be more games that I get to see them play ^^ MBC is now no. 4... ffffuuuuu- oh well, i still believe. kind of. mbc vs skt will be pretty important. SKT is just about exactly the same thing Khan is, except they have better protoss, and a terran that doesn't suck. What do you expect to happen?
Now that statement is entirely your opinion. SKT has better terran, but khan has better zerg, and better protoss? I don't know about that. Best, Bisu, Jangbi, Stork weren't winning many games until this round started.
Anyway, go fox.
On June 28 2010 22:48 SuperArc wrote:
Oz and Khan still play each other so no, Oz' chances are not dead
Nope, even if Oz beats Khan, this means that assuming Oz wins rest of their games, CJ can lose one more game than they were supposed to to get into playoffs.
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KTR ballin outta control, hopefully not another silver though
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On June 29 2010 00:23 MuffinDude wrote:Show nested quote +On June 27 2010 15:44 Lightwip wrote:On June 27 2010 15:16 matjlav wrote:On June 27 2010 15:07 Eiserne wrote:On June 27 2010 12:14 matjlav wrote:
I still believe in MBC for #2!
Of course, if they're #3, that will just be more games that I get to see them play ^^ MBC is now no. 4... ffffuuuuu- oh well, i still believe. kind of. mbc vs skt will be pretty important. SKT is just about exactly the same thing Khan is, except they have better protoss, and a terran that doesn't suck. What do you expect to happen? Now that statement is entirely your opinion. SKT has better terran, but khan has better zerg, and better protoss? I don't know about that. Best, Bisu, Jangbi, Stork weren't winning many games until this round started.
Jangbi I'd say is overall worse than Best, and Stork isn't doing as well as Bisu right now. That's debatable I suppose, but I think it's in favor of SKT.
Great is better than Hyuk, but s2 is better than Juni. Zerg is about equal.
Terran of course doesn't even compare. SKT wins that.
Also SKT has better results recently, so they probably will do better.
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United States47024 Posts
On June 29 2010 00:23 MuffinDude wrote:
Now that statement is entirely your opinion. SKT has better terran, but khan has better zerg, and better protoss? I don't know about that. Best, Bisu, Jangbi, Stork weren't winning many games until this round started.
By "Khan has better zerg" you mean they have one Zerg who is decent, and others who are fairly poor, while SKT has a lineup of Zergs that are all equally mediocre?
I don't think you can really say Khan Terrans at this stage are on par with SKT Zergs. SKT Zergs have been bringing in some wins, while, if Khan Terrans had the chance to play, I doubt you could expect as much from them (certainly, I don't think Khan Terrans would be able to pull off a 3-0). Not to mention that I think Fantasy has a way better chance against most A and S-class progamers than Great does.
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OZ isn't entirely out yet. If they can win their 4 remaining games they can probably catch a 1-2 CJ on set differential, and they will pass an 0-3 CJ in record.
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On June 29 2010 02:19 jalstar wrote:
OZ isn't entirely out yet. If they can win their 4 remaining games they can probably catch a 1-2 CJ on set differential, and they will pass an 0-3 CJ in record.
Oh
then GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO FOX!!! beat CJ so Jaedong can make it to the play-off
+ Show Spoiler +... and get cheesed by fantasy again ...
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FREEAGLELAND26781 Posts
I just want Jaedong to make playoffs...
But really, teams are entertaining. I wouldn't mind CJ or KHAN, really.
Just as long as there are great games.
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On June 29 2010 02:19 jalstar wrote:
OZ isn't entirely out yet. If they can win their 4 remaining games they can probably catch a 1-2 CJ on set differential, and they will pass an 0-3 CJ in record.
Thanks for this! I am so nervous now and actually really angry since OZ lost to ACE 3 times... (correct me if I'm wrong)
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On June 29 2010 02:19 jalstar wrote:
OZ isn't entirely out yet. If they can win their 4 remaining games they can probably catch a 1-2 CJ on set differential, and they will pass an 0-3 CJ in record.
Yep, totally true, right now the point differential is, so all Oz has to do is not go 3-2 every single game... The point differential will be close. Khan has a very legitamite shot too.
[edit] Keep in mind, even if Oz makes it, it's a Bo7... You guys wanna see Hiya, Killer, Lomo, BackHo, Perfectman play? It's not tasting like exciting matches besides JD.
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to be honest, Oz just lost to the lowest ranking team, I don't think they deserve to be in the playoffs.
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FREEAGLELAND26781 Posts
On June 29 2010 03:48 Dandy4 wrote:
to be honest, Oz just lost to the lowest ranking team, I don't think they deserve to be in the playoffs.
Does KT not deserve to be in the playoffs either?
Or MBC?
Well okay Hite isn't going anyway.
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Oz and Stars are out of the race.
Pity, Stars had such a good run too for a while.
But let's be honest, I personally think Khan and CJ are capable of bringing more to the table than Stars, especially CJ with its deep lineup.
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I'm a die-hard Khan fan, so I'd really like them to make the playoffs. CJ seems to have a stronger team at the moment, but if Khan's strong players can get back on track and its weak players can improve, then I think they have not such a long shot at all of making the playoffs.
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On June 29 2010 04:37 Z3kk wrote:
I'm a die-hard Khan fan, so I'd really like them to make the playoffs. CJ seems to have a stronger team at the moment, but if Khan's strong players can get back on track and its weak players can improve, then I think they have not such a long shot at all of making the playoffs.
Khan is better than CJ atm but CJs lead makes it hard to qualify...
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On June 29 2010 03:28 Skillz_Man wrote:Show nested quote +On June 29 2010 02:19 jalstar wrote:
OZ isn't entirely out yet. If they can win their 4 remaining games they can probably catch a 1-2 CJ on set differential, and they will pass an 0-3 CJ in record. Yep, totally true, right now the point differential is, so all Oz has to do is not go 3-2 every single game... The point differential will be close. Khan has a very legitamite shot too. [edit] Keep in mind, even if Oz makes it, it's a Bo7... You guys wanna see Hiya, Killer, Lomo, BackHo, Perfectman play? It's not tasting like exciting matches besides JD.
Jaedong's presence makes up for everything else imo.
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On June 29 2010 01:38 Lightwip wrote:Show nested quote +On June 29 2010 00:23 MuffinDude wrote:On June 27 2010 15:44 Lightwip wrote:On June 27 2010 15:16 matjlav wrote:On June 27 2010 15:07 Eiserne wrote:On June 27 2010 12:14 matjlav wrote:
I still believe in MBC for #2!
Of course, if they're #3, that will just be more games that I get to see them play ^^ MBC is now no. 4... ffffuuuuu- oh well, i still believe. kind of. mbc vs skt will be pretty important. SKT is just about exactly the same thing Khan is, except they have better protoss, and a terran that doesn't suck. What do you expect to happen? Now that statement is entirely your opinion. SKT has better terran, but khan has better zerg, and better protoss? I don't know about that. Best, Bisu, Jangbi, Stork weren't winning many games until this round started. Jangbi I'd say is overall worse than Best, and Stork isn't doing as well as Bisu right now. That's debatable I suppose, but I think it's in favor of SKT. Great is better than Hyuk, but s2 is better than Juni. Zerg is about equal. Terran of course doesn't even compare. SKT wins that. Also SKT has better results recently, so they probably will do better.
Best better than jangbi is complete bull, jangbi and best both has been sucking for the longest time, only recently has best started winning games. At least jangbi was winning games every so often while best was out of the picture for a while. Not to mention that jangbi is relatively solid in all three match up while best can't pvz for beans. And if you want to say that jangbi's pvt has fallen a lot since his peak, then go watch best's pvp, its as bad as jangbi's pvt now. And bisu only played one or two games in pl after he made his "comeback" unlike stork whose been playing the whole entire time. You can't just randomly conclude bisu is better than stork after watching one or two games. And great is ace match quality while skt zergs are far from it.
Maybe SKT is a better team overall by a bit, but they do not have a better protoss. That is entirely your opinion. If I have to say something, I say they're about equal and I'll have to observe them few more games before I come to any conclusion.
And skt has better record than khan recently? They're both 6-1 in r5, wtf r u smoking?
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On June 29 2010 13:58 MuffinDude wrote:Show nested quote +On June 29 2010 01:38 Lightwip wrote:On June 29 2010 00:23 MuffinDude wrote:On June 27 2010 15:44 Lightwip wrote:On June 27 2010 15:16 matjlav wrote:On June 27 2010 15:07 Eiserne wrote:On June 27 2010 12:14 matjlav wrote:
I still believe in MBC for #2!
Of course, if they're #3, that will just be more games that I get to see them play ^^ MBC is now no. 4... ffffuuuuu- oh well, i still believe. kind of. mbc vs skt will be pretty important. SKT is just about exactly the same thing Khan is, except they have better protoss, and a terran that doesn't suck. What do you expect to happen? Now that statement is entirely your opinion. SKT has better terran, but khan has better zerg, and better protoss? I don't know about that. Best, Bisu, Jangbi, Stork weren't winning many games until this round started. Jangbi I'd say is overall worse than Best, and Stork isn't doing as well as Bisu right now. That's debatable I suppose, but I think it's in favor of SKT. Great is better than Hyuk, but s2 is better than Juni. Zerg is about equal. Terran of course doesn't even compare. SKT wins that. Also SKT has better results recently, so they probably will do better. Best better than jangbi is complete bull, jangbi and best both has been sucking for the longest time, only recently has best started winning games. At least jangbi was winning games every so often while best was out of the picture for a while. And bisu only played one or two games in pl after he made his "comeback" unlike stork whose been playing the whole entire time. You can't just randomly conclude bisu is better than stork after watching one or two games. And great is ace match quality while skt zergs are far from it. And skt has better record than khan recently? They're both 6-1 in r5, wtf r u smoking?
Flaming makes you cool.
Best is overall better than Jangbi, if you see by their records, because Best has better PvT and PvP, and Jangbi's PvZ isn't that much better. And I don't think you could argue that Bisu is worse than stork if they both are at their top, except in PvT. Stork lost to some SKT Zerg recently as well, who are apparently garbage. And Hyuk is fairly good, he's won aces(one vs STX in R4 against Clam), even though he's not quite as good as great, but he wins consistently nowadays. Also SKT has SoO, who is about as good as Juni IMO(he beat stork). Although I suppose you could argue that SoO really isn't that much of an advantage because Khan also has Brave.
The fact that SKT also has a good terran in their lineup is just about all that's necessary to show that SKT is the better team right now.
Hmm, Khan is actually doing better than I thought they were though. It might be good if they make the playoffs instead of CJ. I like both teams, I really can't say which one I'd hope to make it.
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On June 29 2010 14:15 Lightwip wrote:Show nested quote +On June 29 2010 13:58 MuffinDude wrote:On June 29 2010 01:38 Lightwip wrote:On June 29 2010 00:23 MuffinDude wrote:On June 27 2010 15:44 Lightwip wrote:On June 27 2010 15:16 matjlav wrote:On June 27 2010 15:07 Eiserne wrote:On June 27 2010 12:14 matjlav wrote:
I still believe in MBC for #2!
Of course, if they're #3, that will just be more games that I get to see them play ^^ MBC is now no. 4... ffffuuuuu- oh well, i still believe. kind of. mbc vs skt will be pretty important. SKT is just about exactly the same thing Khan is, except they have better protoss, and a terran that doesn't suck. What do you expect to happen? Now that statement is entirely your opinion. SKT has better terran, but khan has better zerg, and better protoss? I don't know about that. Best, Bisu, Jangbi, Stork weren't winning many games until this round started. Jangbi I'd say is overall worse than Best, and Stork isn't doing as well as Bisu right now. That's debatable I suppose, but I think it's in favor of SKT. Great is better than Hyuk, but s2 is better than Juni. Zerg is about equal. Terran of course doesn't even compare. SKT wins that. Also SKT has better results recently, so they probably will do better. Best better than jangbi is complete bull, jangbi and best both has been sucking for the longest time, only recently has best started winning games. At least jangbi was winning games every so often while best was out of the picture for a while. And bisu only played one or two games in pl after he made his "comeback" unlike stork whose been playing the whole entire time. You can't just randomly conclude bisu is better than stork after watching one or two games. And great is ace match quality while skt zergs are far from it. And skt has better record than khan recently? They're both 6-1 in r5, wtf r u smoking? Flaming makes you cool. Best is overall better than Jangbi, if you see by their records, because Best has better PvT and PvP, and Jangbi's PvZ isn't that much better. And I don't think you could argue that Bisu is worse than stork if they both are at their top, except in PvT. Stork lost to some SKT Zerg recently as well, who are apparently garbage. And Hyuk is fairly good, he's won aces(one vs STX in R4 against Clam), even though he's not quite as good as great, but he wins consistently nowadays. Also SKT has SoO, who is about as good as Juni IMO(he beat stork). Although I suppose you could argue that SoO really isn't that much of an advantage because Khan also has Brave. The fact that SKT also has a good terran in their lineup is just about all that's necessary to show that SKT is the better team right now. Hmm, Khan is actually doing better than I thought they were though. It might be good if they make the playoffs instead of CJ. I like both teams, I really can't say which one I'd hope to make it.
At their current state, I personally think JangBi and Stork are better than Bisu.
Stork lost to a SKT Zerg? Bisu lost to Juni in April..
Just because Bisu has a better overall record than Stork/JangBi, doesn't mean much compared to the way he's been playing. His last win against a high class player was in April against Leta and if I remember correctly, he pulled some 2 gate.
During his latest "winning streak", he's beaten Mind, Hyvaa and RorO in an ace match. Compared to who Stork has been playing all this time (Sea, really and Midas comes to mind), that's not much to be proud of. Bisu may have a better overall record but you can't deny his sloppy play as of late.
I'm not saying JangBi is better than Best but in my eyes, they're pretty much equal.
Both Khan and SKT are on hot streaks atm, and a large part of SKT's success isn't because of Bisu. SKT zergs and Fantasy have been stepping up in his absence.
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i'm a die-hard KHAN fan, but even i'd have to admit SKT is overall slightly better than KHAN.
i think Jangbi + Stork is slightly better than Best + Bisu.
Bisu only recently started recovering from a giant slump, while Stork has been very decent consistently. Jangbi and Best negate each other imo, each being better than each other at some points, and about dead even now i'd say.
Great has been on fire, and even before this hot streak, was decent (at least better than all the SKT zergs). This is negated by Fantasy though, and if not for Great's current performance, Fantasy would definitely edge it for SKT between the two.
However, that's the extent of KHAN.
Jangbi, Stork, Great, Brave have been performing for KHAN, while Bisu, Best, Fantasy, Hyuk, s2, soO have been good for SKT.
top 4 are pretty even, but after that it goes kinda downhill for KHAN.
nevertheless, go KHAN!
still praying for you every night~
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I love CJ.
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CJ will destroy everything (until the finals of course which will end in an epic ace match with flash destroying something)
The only sad thing about this is kahn not making it, but if we're lucky, kahn will take wemade's spot...
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Sadly, Khan is probably done.
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Standings after CJ vs Fox and Estro vs STX:
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KT 35-16 (+44)
STX 32-20 (+13)
SKT 29-22 (+16)
MBC 29-22 (+15)
CJ 29-24 (+5)
FOX 28-24 (+17)
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KHAN 26-25 (-8)
OZ 25-26 (-4)
WSRS 25-27 (+10)
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well khan has to play fox, so fox has to lose 1 other game! gogo
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Who is fox playing before the match vs khan? Where can i see the full schedule?
If everything goes well, the 6th spot will be decided in the Fox vs Khan match and not before
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On June 29 2010 21:17 JohannesH wrote:
Who is fox playing before the match vs khan? Where can i see the full schedule?
If everything goes well, the 6th spot will be decided in the Fox vs Khan match and not before
FOX plays versus ACE and Woongjin before they play KHAN. You can look schedule in calendar, just click it and search it there
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Is there any sort of HCA? I mean, if not, ending 5th or 6th doesn't matter at all.
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On June 29 2010 22:48 RamenStyle wrote:
Is there any sort of HCA? I mean, if not, ending 5th or 6th doesn't matter at all.
well, whoever's 6th at this rate will get destroyed by skt in the first round. or they could get lucky and see stx drop from 2nd.
i'm pretty sure that things arent going to change anymore though. i mean that only in that these six teams will be the six going to the playoffs.
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Now everything hangs on CJ either bombing totally or Wemade losing to either Ace or Stars... ugh
Ofc thats assuming Khan can win the rest of their matches wich includes wemade and kt.
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ugh, i wake up to find some quite saddening results :S
edit:
hmm, it's actually not that bad.
the WeMade game will be crucial depending on how well KHAN and WeMade play in between.
if WeMade wins both ACE and Stars game, then KHAN is out, even if WeMade loses to KHAN in the final match (since they will have the same record, but worse point differential).
if WeMade loses one of the ACE or Stars game, and KHAN wins against all three games against Hite, Oz, and KT (an highly improbable task, but if they do it would make for quite a story), then the game between WeMade and KHAN will be the deciding factor.
edit again:
either that, or CJ loses its last 2 games, and KHAN wins its last 4 games... :S
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Considering that SKT zergs are actually a force to be reckoned with, SKT's overall strength may potentially be greater than last season if Bisu's revival is completed.
The funny part is, SKT didn't actually need Bisu in last year's final. Hyuk actually contributed more by defeating Jaedong while Bisu only had the chance to rape Perfectman ezpz in style.
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On June 30 2010 02:16 dukethegold wrote:
Considering that SKT zergs are actually a force to be reckoned with, SKT's overall strength may potentially be greater than last season if Bisu's revival is completed.
The funny part is, SKT didn't actually need Bisu in last year's final. Hyuk actually contributed more by defeating Jaedong while Bisu only had the chance to rape Perfectman ezpz in style.
that and in a well prepared Bo1 , Fantasy or any SKT Terran is unbeatable by Zerg
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On June 30 2010 02:16 dukethegold wrote:
Considering that SKT zergs are actually a force to be reckoned with, SKT's overall strength may potentially be greater than last season if Bisu's revival is completed.
The funny part is, SKT didn't actually need Bisu in last year's final. Hyuk actually contributed more by defeating Jaedong while Bisu only had the chance to rape Perfectman ezpz in style.
Actually, one of of the reasons why Fantasy could comfortably pull off such cheese against Jaedong in the ace match, is because SKT still got Bisu for the Super ACE. If Bisu hadn't been there, I highly doubt T1 would have taken such high risk.
So you can't really say Bisu didn't do much in last year's grand final.
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On June 30 2010 02:38 nayumi wrote:Show nested quote +On June 30 2010 02:16 dukethegold wrote:
Considering that SKT zergs are actually a force to be reckoned with, SKT's overall strength may potentially be greater than last season if Bisu's revival is completed.
The funny part is, SKT didn't actually need Bisu in last year's final. Hyuk actually contributed more by defeating Jaedong while Bisu only had the chance to rape Perfectman ezpz in style. Actually, one of of the reasons why Fantasy could comfortably pull off such cheese against Jaedong in the ace match, is because SKT still got Bisu for the Super ACE. If Bisu hadn't been there, I highly doubt T1 would have taken such high risk. So you can't really say Bisu didn't do much in last year's grand final.
Well said. It was definitely this and some people seem to forget that the real ace wasn't Fantasy but BIsu and if it went to Super Ace and had Bisu beat JD, he would have been crowned MVP and not Fantasy. Also, BoxeR and oov set a plan against that match where BoxeR gave him that strategy but had OZ fooled by having Fantasy talking to Oov thinking of a secret macro oriented build rather than micro cheese oriented.
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Khan always make hero recoveries in the last round only to fall just short of qualifying.
Why the hell they can't play decently in the earlier rounds is beyond me.
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United States47024 Posts
On June 29 2010 14:57 Divine[aX] wrote:
Stork lost to a SKT Zerg? Bisu lost to Juni in April..
Except a game played 2 weeks ago is far more representative of current skill than a game played 2 months ago.
On June 29 2010 14:57 Divine[aX] wrote:
Just because Bisu has a better overall record than Stork/JangBi, doesn't mean much compared to the way he's been playing. His last win against a high class player was in April against Leta and if I remember correctly, he pulled some 2 gate.
During his latest "winning streak", he's beaten Mind, Hyvaa and RorO in an ace match. Compared to who Stork has been playing all this time (Sea, really and Midas comes to mind), that's not much to be proud of. Bisu may have a better overall record but you can't deny his sloppy play as of late.
His individual league games in the past month were very solid Starcraft. They're not top-class players, but if you watched the games, he played well, and in a Bo7 playoff format with as strong a lineup-maker as SKT's Coach Park, he only needs to play to that standard to take the win he needs for SKT. I'd rather have a Bisu that can win 100% against Mind/Hyvaa/Roro than a Stork that can take a game from Jaedong, but has a chance of dropping games to s2 (though I will concede that historically, it's Stork who's known more for his consistency and Bisu who's known for dropping games to random scrubs).
Bisu showed some spotty and downright bad play from the beginning of the year till the beginning of this month. But particularly since playoffs is still a few weeks away, I'm not convinced that's actually meaningful to any analysis of his ability.
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Khan's only chance is to win all games and hope fox loses all but at leas one of their games. Then it'll be
Khan 30-25 and Fox 29-26
Or if fox loses all 3 matches
Khan 30-25 and Fox 28-27
Or if fox loses all 3 matches and Khan drops one game
Khan 29-26 and Fox 28-27
Other option is if CJ loses all their remaining matches against MBC and ACE to make it.
Khan 30-25 and CJ 29-26
Or if CJ wins one in ace match and loses one in a 0-3 manner with Khan 3-0 everyone left to make it
Khan 30-25 (+4) and CJ 30-25 (+3)
Or if Khan drops one game but gets a game differential of about +8 while CJ drops both and get game differential of about -6, Khan can still make it on.
Khan 29-26 (0) and CJ 29-26 (-1)
Or there's the other option where Khan and CJ are equal in standing and equal in game differential, then I can see them going to a tie breaker.
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1. KTR 35-16 (+44) SKT, SAM, MBC, HIT
2. STX 32-20 (+12) ACE, WJN, SKT
3. SKT 29-22 (+16) MBC, KTR, HWA, STX
4. MBC 29-22 (+15) SKT, CJE, KTR, HWA
5. CJE 29-24 ( +5) MBC, ACE
6. WEM 28-24 (+17) WJN, ACE, SAM
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7. SAM 26-25 ( -8) HIT, HWA, KTR, WEM
8. HWA 25-26 ( -4) SAM, SKT, HIT, MBC
9. WJN 25-27 (+10) WEM, STX, EST
10. EST 22-31 (-11) HIT, WJN
11. HIT 21-30 (-19) SAM, EST, HWA, KTR
12. ACE 9-43 (-83) STX, WEM, CJE
Games today: MBC vs SKT, SAM vs HIT
1 and 2 looks set.
3, 4, 5, 6 might change places.
7 has slim chance of getting in.
8, 9 almost impossible.
Ace with 10 wins? Tough teams left but who knows, its Ace! Anything is possible.
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dont get why skt fans keep discussin in this thread anyway...
go khan we believe!
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On June 30 2010 04:42 MuffinDude wrote:
Khan's only chance is to win all games and hope fox loses all but at leas one of their games. Then it'll be
Khan 30-25 and Fox 29-26
Or if fox loses all 3 matches
Khan 30-25 and Fox 28-27
Or if fox loses all 3 matches and Khan drops one game
Khan 29-26 and Fox 28-27
Other option is if CJ loses all their remaining matches against MBC and ACE to make it.
Khan 30-25 and CJ 29-26
Or if CJ wins one in ace match and loses one in a 0-3 manner with Khan 3-0 everyone left to make it
Khan 30-25 (+4) and CJ 30-25 (+3)
Or if Khan drops one game but gets a game differential of about +8 while CJ drops both and get game differential of about -6, Khan can still make it on.
Khan 29-26 (0) and CJ 29-26 (-1)
Or there's the other option where Khan and CJ are equal in standing and equal in game differential, then I can see them going to a tie breaker.
Also possible if MBC or SKT lose every match and Khan wins every match. But well maybe that wont happen...
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SKT could still nab 2nd if they win all their games and stx loses to stars, or if stx loses to stars AND ace and skt loses to one of the other three remaining.
so basically SKT FIGHTING
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On June 30 2010 04:42 MuffinDude wrote:
Khan's only chance is to win all games and hope fox loses all but at leas one of their games. Then it'll be
Khan 30-25 and Fox 29-26
Or if fox loses all 3 matches
Khan 30-25 and Fox 28-27
Or if fox loses all 3 matches and Khan drops one game
Khan 29-26 and Fox 28-27
Other option is if CJ loses all their remaining matches against MBC and ACE to make it.
Khan 30-25 and CJ 29-26
Or if CJ wins one in ace match and loses one in a 0-3 manner with Khan 3-0 everyone left to make it
Khan 30-25 (+4) and CJ 30-25 (+3)
Or if Khan drops one game but gets a game differential of about +8 while CJ drops both and get game differential of about -6, Khan can still make it on.
Khan 29-26 (0) and CJ 29-26 (-1)
Or there's the other option where Khan and CJ are equal in standing and equal in game differential, then I can see them going to a tie breaker.
Just what I wanted, thanks.
Go Khan! I believe!
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I really want Stars to make it
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On June 27 2010 17:37 Roffles wrote:Show nested quote +On June 27 2010 15:44 Lightwip wrote:On June 27 2010 15:16 matjlav wrote:On June 27 2010 15:07 Eiserne wrote:On June 27 2010 12:14 matjlav wrote:
I still believe in MBC for #2!
Of course, if they're #3, that will just be more games that I get to see them play ^^ MBC is now no. 4... ffffuuuuu- oh well, i still believe. kind of. mbc vs skt will be pretty important. SKT is just about exactly the same thing Khan is, except they have better protoss, and a terran that doesn't suck. What do you expect to happen? Plus it also doesn't hurt that both teams are completely on fire as of late. KHAN's trio of Jangbi/Great/Stork and T1's Best/Fantasy/Zergs have been absolutely dominant as of late. MBC on the other hand looks ehh. Sea isn't looking all that great, and Light's play has severely dipped since WL.
On June 27 2010 15:44 Lightwip wrote:Show nested quote +On June 27 2010 15:16 matjlav wrote:On June 27 2010 15:07 Eiserne wrote:On June 27 2010 12:14 matjlav wrote:
I still believe in MBC for #2!
Of course, if they're #3, that will just be more games that I get to see them play ^^ MBC is now no. 4... ffffuuuuu- oh well, i still believe. kind of. mbc vs skt will be pretty important. SKT is just about exactly the same thing Khan is, except they have better protoss, and a terran that doesn't suck. What do you expect to happen?
+ Show Spoiler [Proleague spoilers] +Suck it, haters. suck it.
To be fair, it was mostly a matter of BO wins, but let me bask in my irrational fanboyism.
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Pitcairn19291 Posts
I'm not sure if this is entirely up to date, but at the end of Khan/Hite (which ended after SKT/MBC), the standings were shown on MBC as follows:
+ Show Spoiler +KT 35-16 +44
STX 32-20 +13
MBC 30-22 +17
SKT 29-23 +14
CJ 29-24 +5
FOX 28-24 +17
Khan 26-26 -10
OZ 25-26 -4
Stars 25-27 +10
Hite 22-30 -17
eSTRO 22-31 -11
ACE 9-43 -83
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Today showed us again everyone can lose to anyone lol
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Dang, instead of CJ in danger of losing their spot its now WeMade in danger. Oh well.
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On June 30 2010 15:49 XThunderyX wrote:
Dang, instead of CJ in danger of losing their spot its now WeMade in danger. Oh well.
Still, they would have to go 0-3 and Khan 3-0 or Oz 4-0. Not really likely
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Actually, CJ only has 2 more matches.
And I think CJ games differential is +6 (125-119).
That means Khan can't pass them anymore, even if CJ goes 0-2 (-6) and Khan goes 3-0 (+9).
They would be like this:
CJ 29-26 0
Khan 29-26 -1
EDIT: Nevermind, I just checked Fomos and CJ is 29-24 +5.
There's something wrong with my sheet.
But still, they would be in a complete draw then, 29-26 -1, but CJ has won more games and I guess that would put them ahead. Right?
And then I just read it right and realize you were talking about FOX...
LOL... fail!
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yea, as soon as WeMade wins a match, KHAN is officially out.
don't expect anything concerning CJ. CJ would need to lose 0-3 each series, and KHAN win 3-0 each series to tie point differential, in which case who knows how the tiebreaker is decided.
but man, can you imagine if WeMade drops their next two games, KHAN wins their next two, and the final spot in the playoffs rests on a game between KHAN and WeMade... that would be quite the storyline.
go KHAN!
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goodbye KHAN
teams to root for:
for now, CJ + WeMade to eliminate OZ from qualifying.
a win from CJ and WeMade eliminates OZ, and any loss from OZ eliminates them too.
then in playoffs, STX, MBC, SKT... still haven't decided yet.
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come on oz
hold it together
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FREEAGLELAND26781 Posts
Goodbye KHAN.
OZ, can you make things still interesting?
Probably not, but I wonder...
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After today's games (SAM vs HWA, SKT vs KTR):
1. KTR 36-16 (+46) SAM, MBC, HIT
2. STX 32-20 (+12) ACE, WJN, SKT
3. MBC 30-22 (+17) CJE, KTR, HWA
4. SKT 29-24 (+12) HWA, STX
5. CJE 29-24 ( +5) MBC, ACE
6. WEM 28-24 (+17) WJN, ACE, SAM
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7. HWA 26-26 ( -1) SKT, HIT, MBC
8. SAM 26-27 (-13) KTR, WEM
9. WJN 25-27 (+10) WEM, STX, EST
10. HIT 22-30 (-17) EST, HWA, KTR
11. EST 22-31 (-11) HIT, WJN
12. ACE 9-43 (-83) STX, WEM, CJE
https://www.e-sports.or.kr/static/Eng/proleague.kea?m_code=static_11
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Wow, SKT's playoff spot isn't secure. OZ now needs either SKT, CJ, or WeMade to fail.
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On July 03 2010 14:53 jalstar wrote:
Wow, SKT's playoff spot isn't secure. OZ now needs either SKT, CJ, or WeMade to fail.
holy... ur right.
who would've guessed SKT was so close to the 6th spot, and point differential-wise, isn't that far ahead...
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On July 03 2010 14:58 nextstep wrote:Show nested quote +On July 03 2010 14:53 jalstar wrote:
Wow, SKT's playoff spot isn't secure. OZ now needs either SKT, CJ, or WeMade to fail. holy... ur right. who would've guessed SKT was so close to the 6th spot, and point differential-wise, isn't that far ahead...
It would take some seriously bad luck for that to happen.
I think their point differential would save them anyways.
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On July 03 2010 15:07 Lightwip wrote:Show nested quote +On July 03 2010 14:58 nextstep wrote:On July 03 2010 14:53 jalstar wrote:
Wow, SKT's playoff spot isn't secure. OZ now needs either SKT, CJ, or WeMade to fail. holy... ur right. who would've guessed SKT was so close to the 6th spot, and point differential-wise, isn't that far ahead... It would take some seriously bad luck for that to happen. I think their point differential would save them anyways.
yea, really really bad luck.
assuming SKT loses all their matches, and OZ wins all theirs,
(already a big "if")
SKT will advance if they can get 3 individual player wins out of their two upcoming matches.
or
SKT is safe from OZ if OZ gets 3 individual player losses out of their three upcoming matches.
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Goooooo OZ 
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The point is that one of their 2 matches is with OZ. So if OZ 3-0 SKT it becomes closer than it looks
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Does OZ play one more game than SKT? OZ is 26-26 right now with 3 games left while SKT is 29-23 with two games left. Or am I mistaken?
EDIT: nvm, I can't read. Oz at 26-26 with 3 left and SKT at 29-24 with two left
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I really hope OZ qualifies..
PL wont be as exciting without Jaedong .. Switch CJ with oz?
I didn't realize MBC gamehero had such a good record this PL season
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On July 04 2010 02:02 NuKedUFirst wrote:I really hope OZ qualifies.. PL wont be as exciting without Jaedong .. Switch CJ with oz? I didn't realize MBC gamehero had such a good record this PL season
Eh, it was largely influenced by that monstrous WL run...
Also damn, OZ still makes things interesting for the last two weeks.
Wonder what's going to happen.
Too lazy to do analysis right now yay.
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The point is that one of their 2 matches is with OZ. So if OZ 3-0 SKT it becomes closer than it looks
If the game between OZ and SKT have to go to Ace match. It is over for OZ.
If OZ 3-1 SKT, the chance for OZ to overcome SKT in PL ranking is 1%.
If OZ 3-0 SKT, the chance is about 2% (may be 3%, lol).
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On July 04 2010 02:03 flamewheel wrote:Show nested quote +On July 04 2010 02:02 NuKedUFirst wrote:I really hope OZ qualifies.. PL wont be as exciting without Jaedong .. Switch CJ with oz? I didn't realize MBC gamehero had such a good record this PL season Eh, it was largely influenced by that monstrous WL run... Also damn, OZ still makes things interesting for the last two weeks. Wonder what's going to happen. Too lazy to do analysis right now yay.
which coincided with Hyung Jun's Becomes a Progamer program :D
U R Man All Kill Ceremony <3 ^_^
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Come on Wemade, don't choke. I want to see Nada in the Proleague Playoffs. :[
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FREEAGLELAND26781 Posts
Woot tabulating results!
After today's games (ACE vs STX, FOX vs Stars):
1. KTR 36-16 (+46) SAM, MBC, HIT
2. STX 32-21 (+10) WJN, SKT
3. MBC 30-22 (+17) CJE, KTR, HWA
4. SKT 29-24 (+12) HWA, STX
5. CJE 29-24 ( +5) MBC, ACE
6. WEM 28-25 (+15) ACE, SAM
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7. HWA 26-26 ( -1) SKT, HIT, MBC
8. WJN 26-27 (+12) STX, EST
9. SAM 26-27 (-13) KTR, WEM
10. HIT 22-30 (-17) EST, HWA, KTR
11. EST 22-31 (-11) HIT, WJN
12. ACE 10-43 (-81) WEM, CJE
First off: WHOO ACE!
Secondly: WHOO ACE!
Third: OZ still has a chance now, interesting, though FOX still has to lose the rest of its games and OZ has to win the last three.
Edit: Stars still has a chance; I can't believe I missed this. Analysis later! For now, OZ and FOX.
Let's see...
As awesome as a 5game winstreak for ACE would be, I'd still think FOX wins.
Even after that disastrous showing tonight against Stars.
FOX with a strong T lineup is good against ACE, since ACE isn't that good against T. Land RuBy v RorO or Shine though for some awesomeness.
And give YellOw the other! If FOX wins this, I still think it'd be close, though if ACE wants to win it has to 3-1 or 3-0 since I don't see any one of them defeating BaBy.
We shall see. Definitely calling the OP for this.
I don't know how FOX against KHAN would look. If January does the damn right thing and sends her dragons so as to not lose, it will be really close. I'm feeling FOX still though, because of team depth.
Their coach just has to use it -__-
OZ... has SKT, hite, and MBC.
OZ beats SKT right? That's the interesting part. SKT is still strong this round, and just from looking at lineup alone I can see how they lost to MBC. OZ against SKT I'm thinking standard OZ result: either OZ 3-2 or SKT 3-1. Given how HiyA's been playing, mostly, I think he could do well/beat against anybody on SKT right now except maybe fantasy... Jaedong's a given. 3-2 OZ more prevalent, in my opinion. Against hite, well, OZ doesn't lose to hite. Here's to a Jaedong v hite 19- or 20-game winstreak. OZ vs MBC is a tough call. Light can take Jaedong, but Jaedong beats anybody else. HiyA, once again, I don't know... Heh. I'd give OZ 55-45 over SKT, 80-20 over hite, and dead even 50-50 MBC. It's hard to guess without lineups.
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right now oz can only switch places with fox right?
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FREEAGLELAND26781 Posts
On July 04 2010 15:11 Dandy4 wrote:
right now oz can only switch places with fox right?
Well realistically, yes. A few more improbable ones:
SKT goes 0-3 0-3 in its last two matches, bringing its record to 29-26 (+6) with OZ going 3-0 (defeating SKT), and then winning both its games with a net differential gain of +5, bringing it to a record of 29-26 and a differential of +7.
Of course, that happening is very unlikely, that is to say, quite impossible.
If CJ loses both its matches and OZ wins all three of its with a differential difference between them changing by at least 6, such as CJ 1-3 1-3, OZ 3-2 3-2 3-2 then OZ can pass CJ. MBC is streaky and CJ has good vT players, so I see CJ winning against them, and it would be amazing for ACE to 3-1 CJ as they have been doing the last four teams, but I'm going to be realistic...
Of course, if either CJ, SKT, or FOX wins another game then there's no way for OZ to pass them. CJ and SKT will have too many wins (30) because OZ only has 3 games left and 26 wins, and FOX will have a differential advantage no matter how it goes (FOX 3-2 0-3 OZ 3-0 3-0 3-0 still leaves FOX at 29-26 (+13) and OZ at 29-26 (+8).
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Nope, assuming CJ loses all their games and Oz wins all of their games, they'd both be at 29 wins. If that does happen, CJ almost assuredly will have a worse win differential, though if they only lose 2-3 twice out of their two remaining games then they'll be at +3, meaning Oz will have to get to +4 within their next 3 games, or an overall 5 more wins than losses
ef;b
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On July 04 2010 15:11 Dandy4 wrote:
right now oz can only switch places with fox right?
WeMade, SKT, and CJ all still have a chance to drop out of the playoffs.
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On July 04 2010 14:54 flamewheel wrote:
Woot tabulating results!
After today's games (WEM vs. WJN, ACE vs. STX:):
1. KTR 36-16 (+46) SAM, MBC, HIT
2. STX 32-21 (+10) WJN, SKT
3. MBC 30-22 (+17) CJE, KTR, HWA
4. SKT 29-24 (+12) HWA, STX
5. CJE 29-24 ( +5) MBC, ACE
6. WEM 28-25 (+15) ACE, SAM
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7. HWA 26-26 ( -1) SKT, HIT, MBC
8. WJN 26-27 (+12) STX, EST
9. SAM 26-27 (-13) KTR, WEM
10. HIT 22-30 (-17) EST, HWA, KTR
11. EST 22-31 (-11) HIT, WJN
12. ACE 10-43 (-81) WEM, CJE
Just fixing a few bits from flamewheel's post. ^^ Go JD Oz!
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On July 04 2010 15:22 nextstep wrote:Show nested quote +On July 04 2010 15:11 Dandy4 wrote:
right now oz can only switch places with fox right? WeMade, SKT, and CJ all still have a chance to drop out of the playoffs.
No chance of CJ dropping out, they are like "HIYA! take that! and one of those! BAM! POW!"
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Thanks for the awesome explanation, keeping the hope alive for one more week.
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SKT, CJ, and WeMade are not safe. OZ and Stars still have a chance to qualify.
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Whoops, thanks polgas! I was so excited that I forgot to change rankings or names >.<
On July 04 2010 15:33 jalstar wrote:
SKT, CJ, and WeMade are not safe. OZ and Stars still have a chance to qualify.
It's impossible for Stars to qualify over SKT or CJ though. Stars has 26 wins and only two more matches, while SKT and CJ already have 3 more wins. Stars can make playoffs if FOX loses both of its remaining games, Stars wins both of its remaining games. Actually, if this is the case it doesn't matter what OZ does since the max differential increase for OZ is +9, bringing OZ's differential to 8. Stars with a 12 differential currently can just use that to secure its spot if this happens.
Of course, with FOX facing ACE and KHAN I see them winning at least one of the games, even if Stars can win both its games against eSTRO and a slumping STX. In that case, FOX will have secured a spot in playoffs due to differentials.
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Ty for Analysis! Keep updating please! I really hope OZ makes it! Jaedong fighting!
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On July 04 2010 15:33 jalstar wrote:
SKT, CJ, and WeMade are not safe. OZ and Stars still have a chance to qualify.
Hwaseung pushing out SKT is extremely unlikely. Even if Hwaseung wins 3 and SKT loses both its matches, it comes down to win differentials. SKT can 1-3 both remaining matches, and still come out ahead, regardless of how Hwaseung does.
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After MBC vs. CJE, EST vs. HIT:
1. KTR 36-16 (+46) SAM, MBC, HIT
2. STX 32-21 (+10) WJN, SKT
3. MBC 31-22 (+18) KTR, HWA
4. SKT 29-24 (+12) HWA, STX
5. CJE 29-25 ( +4) ACE
6. WEM 28-25 (+15) ACE, SAM
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7. HWA 26-26 ( -1) SKT, HIT, MBC
8. WJN 26-27 (+12) STX, EST
9. SAM 26-27 (-13) KTR, WEM
10. EST 23-31 ( -9) WJN
11. HIT 22-31 (-19) HWA, KTR
12. ACE 10-43 (-81) WEM, CJE
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So what's the next tiebreaker if differentials are the same?
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oz's best hope is for ace to beat cj. they might be able to catch up if they can win all three. I doubt samsung will send out anyone decent (because they are already out) against wemade so oz has to try overtaking cj
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Hmm, well I feel like Oz still has a chance to qualify. Either CJ loses their game to Ace, which I still think CJ is a heavy favorite on, but a 4 win streak is pretty convincing. OR WeMade FOX loses both of their games, one versus ace which worries me, and the second versus Khan. Khan I feel is the favorite there since Stork and Jangbi are PvT beasts. Also Great isnt half bad in ZvT. Its just up to ACE and Oz ofcourse, and Oz has SKT AND MBC to worry about, and I cant say I heavily favor them. SKT IS safe. There is simply no way that SKT wont get ateast 2 wins in their next two games. Id say Hiya is maybe a little better than Best, but Killer/BackHo are far worse than any of the regular line up of SKT. I think its very likely ATLEAST Bisu and Fanta will take a game. And they are playing STX too, isnt STX on a 7 game losing? Id worry for WeMade to lose CJ feels safe in my book.
Another good battle though is for second, if they play like now MBC has a good shot. And if its same point differential, highest head to head record secures the spot, though it hasnt happened before.
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On July 06 2010 01:19 NobleHelium wrote:
So what's the next tiebreaker if differentials are the same?
average team height, and if thats the same, average reputation as a cheapskate
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LETS GO ACE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Seriously though, I really do think that OZ has a chance. Sure it is slim, but if ACE win 3-1 then CJ will be 29-26 +2. That means that OZ just has to win it's remaining 3 matches to pull to 29-26 as well and that means that they will at the very least be +2. If CJ loses in an ace to ACE then oz would just need to win one of the last three 3-1. I wonder what the following tiebreaker is....
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Aotearoa39261 Posts
On July 06 2010 01:58 Skillz_Man wrote:
Another good battle though is for second, if they play like now MBC has a good shot. And if its same point differential, highest head to head record secures the spot, though it hasnt happened before. Since when? I thought it was an extra ace match? (which has happened before, khan vs ktf a long time ago where Reach beat Stork iirc)
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FREEAGLELAND26781 Posts
After MBC vs. CJE, EST vs. HIT:
1. KTR 36-16 (+46) SAM, MBC, HIT
2. STX 32-21 (+10) WJN, SKT
3. MBC 31-22 (+18) KTR, HWA
4. SKT 29-24 (+12) HWA, STX
5. CJE 29-25 ( +4) ACE
6. WEM 28-25 (+15) ACE, SAM
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7. HWA 26-26 ( -1) SKT, HIT, MBC
8. WJN 26-27 (+12) STX, EST
9. SAM 26-27 (-13) KTR, WEM
10. EST 23-31 ( -9) WJN
11. HIT 22-31 (-19) HWA, KTR
12. ACE 10-43 (-81) WEM, CJE
Hmmm so let's see. KHAN at this point is out I think. WeMade holds the 6 spot and even losing 0-3 0-3 in their last two matches (losing 0-3 to ACE would be massive lulz though) FOX would still be at 28-27 (+9) while KHAN can only win 3-0 3-0 to bring them to a final 28-27 (-7). I mean though, we already knew that whichever one between OZ and KHAN lost the head-to-head would be out completely.
For Stars to qualify, they have to win their last two games and FOX has to lose their last two games. The differentials won't matter at that point since if FOX loses both of its games there's a guaranteed -2 at least and the opposite (minimum +2) for Woongjin also holds true. For this to happen conclusively though, Stars needs OZ to lose at least one game, since after that the differential between OZ and Stars will lead Stars to victory.
OZ could potentially still kick CJ or FOX (or SKT lolol) out. CJ has one more game against ACE and it's going to be (can't believe I'm saying this) close. I can think of some advantageous matchups for ACE involving RuBy > EffOrt and Reach/Much/Anytime > sKyHigh, though despite their recent run ACE is still the underdog. If CJ loses though and OZ wins its next three games, OZ can overtake CJ if the differential difference shifts by at least 6, so CJ 1-3 ACE and OZ 3-2 3-0 (lol hite) 3-2 would do it. To overtake FOX, OZ has to hope WeMade loses its last two games while winning all three of its own. If OZ loses one game, then the differential favours WeMade since the most FOX can lose is -6, bringing them to +9, and the most OZ can gain with losing one game (2-3 3-0 3-0 <=lol Killer ACE 2-3 match) is +5, which isn't enough to overcome a 16 point differential. Of course, in this purely hypothetical world OZ can also take out SKT if they 3-0 SKT tonight and 3-0 3-0 their next two games while SKT goes 0-3 or 1-3. That puts OZ at 29-26 (+8) and SKT at 29-26 (+7). That's as likely to happen as Killer winning an Ace match.
In other news MBC could overtake STX for the #2 spot. STX plays Stars and SKT so they could potentially finish the last two games 0-2. and as long as MBC wins one more game than STX does in these last two its differential will give MBC the #2 spot and a road to the semifinals. Given how much STX sucks this round, I wouldn't be surprised to see that happen.
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changing my woonjing tag for an ACE tag for this week.
in ACE I trust
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On July 06 2010 11:41 swanized wrote:
changing my woonjing tag for an ACE tag for this week.
Says the guy who currently has an Oz tag.
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I wouldn't be surprised if Woongjin won their last two sets but I'm not sure if it is possible for WeMade to lose both of theirs unless they play like they did in the last one. Meanwhile I doubt that Oz will be able to win more than two out of three with opponents like that.
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On July 06 2010 15:19 McDonalds wrote:
I wouldn't be surprised if Woongjin won their last two sets but I'm not sure if it is possible for WeMade to lose both of theirs unless they play like they did in the last one. Meanwhile I doubt that Oz will be able to win more than two out of three with opponents like that.
i know its a bit of hibris but hite is a free win for oz
oz is favorit to win skt and mbc will be hard to beat
but thinking of what on the stakes i cant see oz not fighting till the last breath while other teams face less horrific situation like mbc or hite (out of the playoff )
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Well, Oz knew what they were fighting for in their match with Ace too, and look what happened there. I don't really know how motivated Hite, SKT or MBC are. I guess we'll just have to find out.
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Consider the following scenario for Oz versus Hite.
Jaedong - ______
Hiya - Leta
______ - ______
______ - ______
If Hite put up one of their newer or weaker players against Jaedong, then Leta will be free for a TvT, and he really shines there. The rest of the matches could go either way. Killer, Lomo and BackHo all have their individual strengths but if they send BackHo and he gets Horang2 (or HoGil if he's back from the grave) then it will be down to something like Killer versus Puma.
Of course, Hite might just use the match to give their new guys experience, and we don't really know if Leta will be at the top of his game. Might be entertaining, might be terrible.
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On July 06 2010 02:11 Plexa wrote:Show nested quote +On July 06 2010 01:58 Skillz_Man wrote:
Another good battle though is for second, if they play like now MBC has a good shot. And if its same point differential, highest head to head record secures the spot, though it hasnt happened before. Since when? I thought it was an extra ace match? (which has happened before, khan vs ktf a long time ago where Reach beat Stork iirc)
Omg that was like the first SC match I ever watched, so yeah you're right I guess. But I swear that not too long ago there was a thread about the new changes to the PL and it listed something along the lines I said. I may have to go dig for it.
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After SKT vs. HWA, KTR vs. SAM:
1. KTR 36-17 (+44) MBC, HIT
2. STX 32-21 (+10) WJN, SKT
3. MBC 31-22 (+18) KTR, HWA
4. SKT 30-24 (+13) STX
5. CJE 29-25 ( +4) ACE
6. WEM 28-25 (+15) ACE, SAM
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7. SAM 27-27 (-11) WEM
8. WJN 26-27 (+12) STX, EST
9. HWA 26-27 ( -2) HIT, MBC
10. EST 23-31 ( -9) WJN
11. HIT 22-31 (-19) HWA, KTR
12. ACE 10-43 (-81) WEM, CJE
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The end of khan and oz's chance I guess. Even if Khan won vs Fox and Fox lost its last two games, wouldn't make the playoffs because of differential. good effort, better luck next season!
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the only team left with a chance is Stars now.
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If STX goes 1-1 and MBC 2-0 or STX 0-2 and MBC 1-1, MBC could take 2nd place.
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MBC can also go down as low as 4th if they're not careful.
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Stars chances are slim. WEM would have too lose both matches, and Stars vs WEM is not happening anymore. That's not helping
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So now OZ can't make it into playoffs no matter what?
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On July 06 2010 21:11 Lightwip wrote:After SKT vs. HWA, KTR vs. SAM:
1. KTR 36-17 (+44) MBC, HIT
[b]2. STX 32-21 (+10) WJN, SKT[/b]
3. MBC 31-22 (+18) KTR, HWA
4. SKT 30-24 (+13) STX
5. CJE 29-25 ( +4) ACE
6. WEM 28-25 (+15) ACE, SAM
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7. SAM 27-27 (-11) WEM
8. WJN 26-27 (+12) STX, EST
9. HWA 26-27 ( -2) HIT, MBC
10. EST 23-31 ( -9) WJN
11. HIT 22-31 (-19) HWA, KTR
12. ACE 10-43 (-81) WEM, CJE
God willing STX will keep it's 2nd place.
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On July 07 2010 05:27 Caos2 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 06 2010 21:11 Lightwip wrote:After SKT vs. HWA, KTR vs. SAM:
1. KTR 36-17 (+44) MBC, HIT
[b]2. STX 32-21 (+10) WJN, SKT[/b]
3. MBC 31-22 (+18) KTR, HWA
4. SKT 30-24 (+13) STX
5. CJE 29-25 ( +4) ACE
6. WEM 28-25 (+15) ACE, SAM
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7. SAM 27-27 (-11) WEM
8. WJN 26-27 (+12) STX, EST
9. HWA 26-27 ( -2) HIT, MBC
10. EST 23-31 ( -9) WJN
11. HIT 22-31 (-19) HWA, KTR
12. ACE 10-43 (-81) WEM, CJE God willing STX will keep it's 2nd place.
don't worry, Tossgirl will make sure they don't fall
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On July 07 2010 05:19 GenesisX wrote:So now OZ can't make it into playoffs no matter what?
yep, no matter what.
only Stars now.
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Canada2480 Posts
in ACE we (stars) trust
edit: hope stx take woonjing lightly and send tossgirl
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On July 07 2010 06:13 nextstep wrote:Show nested quote +On July 07 2010 05:19 GenesisX wrote:So now OZ can't make it into playoffs no matter what? yep, no matter what. only Stars now.
I'm gonna die
Saddest day of my life...
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first the MSL finals now this /wrist.
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So SKT eliminates Jaedong Oz? So basically, s2 fucked your hopes and dreams. Wow. Never thought I'd...wow.
/slackjawed
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On July 07 2010 09:50 MangoTango wrote:
So SKT eliminates Jaedong Oz? So basically, s2 fucked your hopes and dreams. Wow. Never thought I'd...wow.
/slackjawed
i never thought KHAN's last playoff hope would rest on the shoulders of Juni and Sharp ahead of Stork and Jangbi. :S
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A fight for 6th and a fight for 2nd, both with the lower ranked team needing the higher ranked team to lose while needing to win themselves.
3rd-6th places have a similar placement in the playoffs so it's no big deal, although each team there might have a preferred opponent.
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It would be preferable for SKT to meet another Team than CJ.
Depending on coaches decisions and luck it could be terrible.
Bad :
Bisu vs EffOrt
Fantasy vs sKyHigh
s2 vs Movie
Iris vs Huyk
Good :
s2 vs EffOrt (a ZvZ snipe can occur, s2 Just beat JD yesterday)
Fantasy vs Movie
BeSt vs sKyHigh
Bisu vs Iris (Haha revenge for Bisu after this infamous GOM series)
I think it would be better to meet WeMadeFox instead. Go SKT for 3rd place !
Edit : un-tlpdized "haha". We should remove this scrub from TLPD lol.
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OZ hwaiting! I will be heartbroken if they don't make it to playoffs
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On July 07 2010 12:18 Najda wrote:OZ hwaiting! I will be heartbroken if they don't make it to playoffs
Sadly, it's over for Oz.
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As an STX fan, I have reason to be worried as it looks like they would realistically go 1-1 for the remaining two games.
MBC, on the other hand, is facing a KT team guaranteed top seed and an Oz team that just ended their season ystd ):
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Yay SKT1 secured a playoff spot.
KT differential makes me laugh whenever I see it. +26 over next highest score is absurd
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On July 07 2010 12:30 kNyTTyM wrote:
Yay SKT1 secured a playoff spot.
KT differential makes me laugh whenever I see it. +26 over next highest score is absurd
True. And they sucked recently + Flash 7 ace matches lost. It was totally crazy after the winners league.
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Crazy after R1 you mean. We ended that at like +18 which is higher than everyone else's at the end of the season.
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Stars are officially out, final 6 is finally set in stone.
only position jockeying between the 6 is left.
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STX is trying to keep #2 from MBC
+ Show Spoiler +and they'll have to pray MBC doesn't 2-0 since STX dropped the ball in pretty depressing fashion
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After ACE vs. WEM, STX vs. WJN:
1. KTR 36-17 (+44) MBC, HIT
2. STX 32-22 (+7) SKT
3. MBC 31-22 (+18) KTR, HWA
4. SKT 30-24 (+13) STX
5. WEM 29-25 (+17) SAM
6. CJE 29-25 ( +4) ACE
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7. WJN 27-27 (+15) EST
8. SAM 27-27 (-11) WEM
9. HWA 26-27 ( -2) HIT, MBC
10. EST 23-31 ( -9) WJN
11. HIT 22-31 (-19) HWA, KTR
12. ACE 10-44 (-83) CJE
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with wemade's win, the teams that will be in playoffs are now set. Maybe next year, OZ.
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Only one question remains: When MBC takes 2nd place, who will be the one to 4-1(Frozen win only) STX, WeMade or CJ?
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Did STX relocate their practice room to an Indian burial ground or something? This has gone from slump into curse territory.
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On July 07 2010 15:14 3clipse wrote:
Did STX relocate their practice room to an Indian burial ground or something? This has gone from slump into curse territory.
Hwasin is banned.
Clam forgets how to play after losing to JD in MSL semies.
Kal gets raped hard by Effort and loses 0-3 in the OSL semis.
Coaches make some mediocre decisions.
STX is in deep shit for a long time and absolutely crumbles in Round 5.
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On July 07 2010 15:14 3clipse wrote:
Did STX relocate their practice room to an Indian burial ground or something? This has gone from slump into curse territory.
They've been channeling all their skills and mojo into ToSsGirL, rendering the rest of them temporarily vulnerable. It's all part of their strategy for the PO.
ToSsGirL bonjwa allkill.
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Aotearoa39261 Posts
Oh cmon MBC!! Two tough matches left, but a real chance to steal 2nd place
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oz purposely threw away their chances at proleague so they could practice for individual leagues and take home golds and silvers... at least that's what i tell myself so i can sleep at night=(.
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Baa?21243 Posts
Fuck, STX, we got this shit. Come on!!! >.
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On July 07 2010 17:36 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:
Fuck, STX, we got this shit. Come on!!! >.<!!!
It's out of their hands now
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Lets go Wemadefox all the way you got this woot woot~!
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Baa?21243 Posts
On July 07 2010 17:38 Ikonn wrote:Show nested quote +On July 07 2010 17:36 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:
Fuck, STX, we got this shit. Come on!!! >. It's out of their hands now They can win their last game and reduce MBC's chances at least. Then MBC would have to win both.
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Frozean is currently STX's best.
His winrate in the last 3 matches of STX was 100%, not to mention winning an ace match.
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SKT is the best team ever and they will qualify for sure!
My BeSt Hyukking team isn't just a fantasy
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I'd love to see ACE finish with a win over CJ. Would be funny.
Samsung may be out but we have a chance to finish over 50% at least.
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On July 07 2010 17:46 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:Show nested quote +On July 07 2010 17:38 Ikonn wrote:On July 07 2010 17:36 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:
Fuck, STX, we got this shit. Come on!!! >.<!!! It's out of their hands now They can win their last game and reduce MBC's chances at least. Then MBC would have to win both.
At least if they drop to third they can get eliminated by CJ rather than a more humiliating defeat at the hands of SKT.
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Hardly matters anymore except for placement, but:
After KTR vs. MBC, HWA vs. HIT:
1. KTR 37-17 (+45) MBC, HIT
2. STX 32-22 (+7) SKT
3. MBC 31-23 (+17) HWA
4. SKT 30-24 (+13) STX
5. WEM 29-25 (+17) SAM
6. CJE 29-25 ( +4) ACE
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7. WJN 27-27 (+15) EST
8. HWA 27-27 ( 1) MBC
9. SAM 27-27 (-11) WEM
10. EST 23-31 ( -9) WJN
11. HIT 22-32 (-22) KTR
12. ACE 10-44 (-83) CJE
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Baa?21243 Posts
On July 08 2010 02:51 Lightwip wrote:Show nested quote +On July 07 2010 17:46 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:On July 07 2010 17:38 Ikonn wrote:On July 07 2010 17:36 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:
Fuck, STX, we got this shit. Come on!!! >.
It's out of their hands now They can win their last game and reduce MBC's chances at least. Then MBC would have to win both. At least if they drop to third they can get eliminated by CJ rather than a more humiliating defeat at the hands of SKT. Dream on lol. And yay KT wasn't total fail, die MBC scum ^___^
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From the looks of that chart, it looks like the 6 teams in the playoffs are pretty much decided. The order, however, has yet to be set in stone. So these last matches for the playoff teams must be nerve-wrecking.
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On July 10 2010 15:20 Lightwip wrote:Hardly matters anymore except for placement, but: After KTR vs. MBC, HWA vs. HIT:
1. KTR 37-17 (+45) MBC, HIT
2. STX 32-22 (+7) SKT
3. MBC 31-23 (+17) HWA
4. SKT 30-24 (+13) STX
5. WEM 29-25 (+17) SAM
6. CJE 29-25 ( +4) ACE
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7. WJN 27-27 (+15) EST
8. HWA 27-27 ( 1) MBC
9. SAM 27-27 (-11) WEM
10. EST 23-31 ( -9) WJN
11. HIT 22-32 (-22) KTR
12. ACE 10-44 (-83) CJE
Everybody's got one match left, ja? Possible placements:
1. KTR: 1st
2. STX: 2nd (STX win) OR (MBC loss);
3rd (STX loss + MBC win).
3. MBC: 2nd (MBC win + STX loss);
3rd (STX win) OR (SKT loss);
4th (MBC loss + SKT win, 3-0 and 3-1 or 3-0 scores).
4. SKT: 3rd (SKT win + MBC loss, 3-0 and 3-1 or 3-0 scores);
4th (MBC win) OR (WEM loss);
5th (SKT loss + WEM win).
5. WEM: 4th (WEM win + SKT loss);
5th (SKT win + CJE loss) OR (WEM win + SKT win);
6th (WEM loss + CJE win)
6. CJE: 5th - (CJE win + WEM loss);
6th (WEM win) OR (CJE loss)
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7. WJN: 7th (WJN win);
8th (WJN loss + HWA win + SAM loss) OR (WJN loss + SAM win + HWA loss);
9th (WJN loss + HWA win + SAM win)
8. HWA: 7th (HWA win + WJN loss);
8th (HWA win + WJN win) OR (HWA loss + SAM loss);
9th (HWA loss + SAM win)
9. SAM: 7th (SAM win + WJN loss + HWA loss);
8th (SAM win + WJN loss) OR (SAM win + HWA loss);
9th (SAM loss) OR (WJN win + HWA win)
10. EST: 10th
11. HIT: 11th
12. ACE: 12th
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im so confused as to how SKT made playoffs
i mean im happy they did
but.. im under the assumption that fantasy carried the team for the first round
and the zergs for round 2 :/
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Counting more on an MBC loss than an STX win, atm. Lol.
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United States13896 Posts
Personally rooting for WeMade and SKT to win tomorrow, then for MBC to win the following day. STX is soooo soft right now they'd be an easy first round opponent for whoever gets to face them. I wouldn't be surprised if WeMade puts out weak starters against KHAN though just so they can lose and have a chance at playing STX.
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On July 11 2010 20:38 p4NDemik wrote:
Personally rooting for WeMade and SKT to win tomorrow, then for MBC to win the following day. STX is soooo soft right now they'd be an easy first round opponent for whoever gets to face them. I wouldn't be surprised if WeMade puts out weak starters against KHAN though just so they can lose and have a chance at playing STX.
but honestly right now .. i wouldn't mind playing either STX or KHAN
they're both doing pretty bad imo.
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After KTR vs. MBC, HWA vs. HIT:
1. KTR 37-17 (+45) HIT
2. STX 32-22 (+7) SKT
3. MBC 31-23 (+17) HWA
4. SKT 30-24 (+13) STX
5. CJE 30-25 ( +7)
6. WEM 29-25 (+17) SAM
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7. WJN 28-27 (+16)
8. HWA 27-27 ( 1) MBC
9. SAM 27-27 (-11) WEM
10. EST 23-32 ( -10)
11. HIT 22-32 (-22) KTR
12. ACE 10-45 (-86)
Not to knock on MBC or STX, but I would rather play either of them than SKT. Wemade should just put at the 6th place.
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Rooting for WeMade and SKT so CJ can face MBC first round. CJ only has one player I'd feel confident going up against a top protoss, four against a top terran. MBC 1st round, WeMade 2nd round, plz.
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Aotearoa39261 Posts
So really, the only position that can change is 2nd/3rd. STX really do not deserve to get 2nd place with the way they are playing so I really hope that they fail against SKT and that MBC win so MBC can (rightfully) take second!
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On July 12 2010 15:07 Plexa wrote:
So really, the only position that can change is 2nd/3rd. STX really do not deserve to get 2nd place with the way they are playing so I really hope that they fail against SKT and that MBC win so MBC can (rightfully) take second!
Truth
The way they are playing right now I'd much rather have Khan in the finals.
Sadly, the other seasons rememdy their current suckatasticness
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On July 12 2010 15:43 Iplaythings wrote:Show nested quote +On July 12 2010 15:07 Plexa wrote:
So really, the only position that can change is 2nd/3rd. STX really do not deserve to get 2nd place with the way they are playing so I really hope that they fail against SKT and that MBC win so MBC can (rightfully) take second! Truth The way they are playing right now I'd much rather have Khan in the finals. Sadly, the other seasons rememdy their current suckatasticness
haha imo ACE deserves to be in the finals more than STX as well.
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After KTR vs. MBC, HWA vs. HIT:
1. KTR 37-17 (+45) HIT
2. STX 32-23 (+5)
3. MBC 31-23 (+17) HWA
4. SKT 31-24 (+15)
5. WEM 30-25 (+18)
6. CJE 30-25 ( +7)
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7. WJN 28-27 (+16)
8. HWA 27-27 ( 1) MBC
9. SAM 27-28 (-12)
10. EST 23-32 ( -10)
11. HIT 22-32 (-22) KTR
12. ACE 10-45 (-86)
Hmm, MBC can go up or down one. If MBC goes up and SKT stays where it is, my predictions would be that they crush WeMade while CJ crushes STX, and SKT should easily defeat the terran sniper heavy CJ.
CuteAngel is now the new ace of STX.
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motbob
United States12546 Posts
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So basically, for maximum excellent games, please let's have MBC win.
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United States13896 Posts
Does anyone know what the tiebreakers are after the win/loss aggregate? If MBC loses 1-3 then they'll be tied, does it go to head-to-head? If that's the case they'd stay in 3rd with a 4-1 record against SKT.
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On July 13 2010 02:49 p4NDemik wrote:
Does anyone know what the tiebreakers are after the win/loss aggregate? If MBC loses 1-3 then they'll be tied, does it go to head-to-head? If that's the case they'd stay in 3rd with a 4-1 record against SKT.
IIRC, they play an ace match to decide.
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United States13896 Posts
On July 13 2010 03:27 Lightwip wrote:Show nested quote +On July 13 2010 02:49 p4NDemik wrote:
Does anyone know what the tiebreakers are after the win/loss aggregate? If MBC loses 1-3 then they'll be tied, does it go to head-to-head? If that's the case they'd stay in 3rd with a 4-1 record against SKT. IIRC, they play an ace match to decide.
Yeah, that was the procedure last season, not sure if that's changed or not.
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