Kingdom talks about Bisu's Slump - Page 7

On March 29 2010 20:28 oo_xerox wrote:
Isnt flash style also very predictable?

On March 30 2010 06:02 madcow305 wrote:
I'm at a loss here:

The commentators are saying Bisu is losing because he's playing it safe, while his newer, younger opponents are going for all-ins and succeed.

How do you defend yourself from all-in cheese? By playing safe, right? Scouting thoroughly, making the proper amount of defense, and not cutting corners.

So now, playing safe against all-in is BAD? What are you supposed to do to counter cheese then?

By all conventional SC:BW theory, Bisu has the perfect idea: he's better than his opponents in raw skill and mechanics. The only way he'll lose is to some cheese that he isn't ready for. So, he plays super-safe, defends against the cheese, then moves to late game where his superior skill takes over.

BUT, according to everyone in this thread and the commentators, aiming for a long-term macro game doesn't favor the player with better skill now?

On March 31 2010 02:54 koreasilver wrote:

Playing safe as in extremely standard, and super standard builds are safe because they do not completely commit to anything. If you play like this every game then your opponents can exploit you with crafted all-in builds that are tempered to specifically work against what you do, or they can exploit you by playing greedier because they know you won't be able to do anything about it. In example, if a T goes 1rax fe every single TvZ, a Zerg can exploit it by going 3hatch before pool. If a Terran goes siege expand every single TvP, then a Protoss can go 12nexus. If a Zerg goes 12hatch 11pool every ZvT, then a Terran can go 14cc, etc.

go.go took this to the extremes with his recent games against Bisu. Even though go.go's TvP is balls compared to Bisu's PvT skills, by the way go.go abused Bisu with his opening builds was gross.

On March 31 2010 10:02 madcow305 wrote:


So, if I'm understanding this correctly, here's what you guys are saying:

Even if you know you're more skilled and a better player than your opponent, you can't always hope to play safe and take it to the late game where your superior macro wins the game.

Sometimes, even against opponents you know you're better than, you still have to go for cheesey, all-in builds, simply to keep your opponents honest.

So, the answer to success is that sometimes Flash must play like Flash, and every once in a while he must play like Kwanro?

Then, the answer to Bisu's slump is to just have him cheese more, in a random and unpredictable fashion, so people can't get a read on his build orders and design sniping BOs when him?

Somehow, I doubt it's as simple as this. If it were, I'm sure someone on the SKT1 team would have figured it out by now. His coach could just order him to mix in proxy double gate in a game or two of proleague or the MSL/OSL.

There must be some fundamental aspect to Bisu's play that is slipping, besides simply not using all-in build orders.

On March 31 2010 01:55 skronch wrote:
wow....kingdom has absolutely no reservations about completely ripping into bisu. it's funny to hear all these comments after bisu has been heralded for so long for being a revolutionist and creative in his build orders

On April 08 2010 21:35 Katsuge wrote:
Bisu b-team inc