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JDforever
Profile Joined December 2009
China69 Posts
April 08 2010 13:23 GMT
#141
He's gone......
I love Frank
Ryo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
8787 Posts
April 08 2010 13:37 GMT
#142
I think Bisu needs to see a sports psychologist. That may be the only thing that can save his career.
영원히 엠비씨게임 히어로 팬.
imperator-xy
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Germany1377 Posts
April 08 2010 13:41 GMT
#143
Bisu wasnt playing bad. he already won that game, but then he somehow lost this. it remembered me of those games against Iris some seasons before.
being a bit lucky, he could have been in the finals. but those mistakes or wrong decisions or whatever...
Deleted User 31996
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
843 Posts
April 08 2010 13:43 GMT
#144
On March 31 2010 02:27 aznanimedude wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 29 2010 20:28 oo_xerox wrote:
Isnt flash style also very predictable?


yeah
play him and lose
easy to predict :O


rofl @ this
alffla
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Hong Kong20321 Posts
April 08 2010 13:56 GMT
#145
On April 08 2010 21:32 Chen wrote:
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It's over. Bisu's entering savior mode ;__;


+ Show Spoiler +


did he play like shit???

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SuperArc
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Austria7781 Posts
April 08 2010 14:00 GMT
#146
On April 08 2010 22:41 imperator-xy wrote:
Bisu wasnt playing bad. he already won that game, but then he somehow lost this. it remembered me of those games against Iris some seasons before.
being a bit lucky, he could have been in the finals. but those mistakes or wrong decisions or whatever...


Bisu was playing bad, Movie should have won the first game if it wasnt for dts.
Snow - future of protoss! :) Nada = baller
mmdmmd
Profile Joined June 2007
722 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-04-08 14:14:05
April 08 2010 14:13 GMT
#147
On April 08 2010 22:56 alffla wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 08 2010 21:32 Chen wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
It's over. Bisu's entering savior mode ;__;


+ Show Spoiler +


did he play like shit???


+ Show Spoiler +

He did, the only thing that saved him from the 1st game is 2x luck. You watch the game later and you will realised. He just got lucky at a very critical time. It was not planned or timed. The old bisu would probably timed these 2 attacks..
imperator-xy
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Germany1377 Posts
April 08 2010 14:30 GMT
#148
On April 08 2010 23:00 SuperArc wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 08 2010 22:41 imperator-xy wrote:
Bisu wasnt playing bad. he already won that game, but then he somehow lost this. it remembered me of those games against Iris some seasons before.
being a bit lucky, he could have been in the finals. but those mistakes or wrong decisions or whatever...


Bisu was playing bad, Movie should have won the first game if it wasnt for dts.

i couldnt fully watch game 1, but in his second game against movie he was literally the old bisu until a certain time. then he started sucking and lost that big advantage that he had to have turned into a win.
Art.FeeL
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
1163 Posts
April 08 2010 14:33 GMT
#149
On March 29 2010 19:13 baubo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 29 2010 16:28 samachking wrote:
On March 29 2010 15:46 MountainDewJunkie wrote:
It's the same thing as the Savior "slump:" Bisu hasn't gotten any worse, the competition has just been steadily improving. Then comes the subsequent psychological missteps that fool one into thinking that he could be "worse." Kim and Kingdom can see this as well (how insane multitasking is now just "standard").

Bisu getting knocked out of the OSL is not new, and I say he's still a force in proleague; it's the REST of SKT that's making this whole thing worse, the team being quite inept without Bisu and only adding pressure.


You are wrong in that Bisu is not getting worse. It's not his mechanics that is taking the biggest hit, his mechanics are still simply fantastic and so is his macro. It's just his decision making and micro have been really horrible lately.


No one said he is. But the thing is, Bisu never "reinvented" himself.

Stork was slumping hard, complained about zerg imba, then what did he do? He started working out(always good in terms of energy), came out with a ton of new strategies for PvZ, realized that zerg players have improved, raised his APM, and now he's arguably the best PvZ player in the game.

Flash for a long time was an S-class player who just seem to always come up short. And what does he do? He tried early game aggressions reminiscent of his early career. And likely with the help of ForGG, started using an assortment of 2-base timing pushes which were simply insane to counter given his decision-making. Now Flash is more or less invincible.

The point is you can't play a certain way forever. Because people will eventually catch up. And Bisu needs to figure that out and reinvent himself again. Add nuances to his game that will keep his opponents guessing.


This! The kid speaks truth!
I am a great believer in luck. The harder I work the luckier I am.
Tempest[OEC]
Profile Joined February 2010
United States417 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-04-08 14:50:27
April 08 2010 14:48 GMT
#150
Bisu's decision making in his 2nd game was lacking. If he played a bit more conservative and conserved his units and resources instead of trying to counter push after the first battle he would have been at such a large advantage. And thats not even mentioning those reavers he should have sniped. >_<
cascades
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Singapore6122 Posts
April 08 2010 16:41 GMT
#151
His decision making in both games were lacking. Savior is the closest comparision: gamesense completely gone.
HS: cascades#1595 || LoL: stoppin
Djabanete
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States2786 Posts
April 08 2010 17:18 GMT
#152
On April 09 2010 01:41 cascades wrote:
His decision making in both games were lacking. Savior is the closest comparision: gamesense completely gone.

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IMO it's more a question of overconfidence than lacking game sense. Two years ago, Bisu could probably get away with a lot more risk-taking because he had better micro and multitask than everyone else. He's still really good, but some of those risks don't pay off any more. Watching him play against Movie in game 3 made me think that if he just played a bit safer, he'd win for sure, but it looked like he was doing things that he thought would because they used to work, and they didn't. (I mean things like moving out with a smaller army than his opponent... maybe he's expecting to win the micro battle, but Movie just forced him back and inflicted losses which compounded the problem. Bisu was ahead in gateway count the whole time but always had fewer units anyway because each engagement favored Movie.)
May the BeSt man win.
SubtleArt
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
2710 Posts
April 08 2010 17:54 GMT
#153
On March 29 2010 05:34 integral wrote:
lol the commentators' analysis seems a bit off in places. bisu won WCG 2009 pretty handily, and yeah he's not looked as good since then, but he's only played 19 games in 2010 and his "slump" winrate is 50%. Bisu is fine, he's just not as dominant anymore. Other players are catching up to where the differences aren't as pronounced.

The only player who seems immune to this parity is flash, who is raping everyone left and right.


50% isn't "fine" for a top player who was in a discussion with the bonjwas. 50% = congrats, wanna play in proleague now?
Morrow on ZvP: "I'm not very confident in general vs Protoss because of the imbalance (Yes its imbalanced, get over it)."
Pyrrhuloxia
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States6700 Posts
April 08 2010 18:05 GMT
#154
Poor go.go. Thanks for the translation, btw. This was really fascinating stuff.
jjun212
Profile Joined December 2004
Canada2208 Posts
April 08 2010 18:11 GMT
#155
they dont seem that nice of GoGo lol

i dont know him but im laughing now too
lone_hydra
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Canada1460 Posts
April 08 2010 19:21 GMT
#156
Whatever, This MSL is looking so shitty, Bisu does not need nor want this MSL anyways. He will lead the team to proleague finals again. Bisu is not gonna turn up like Savior.

I am not in denial. I am not in denial. I am not in denial.

At least he got rid of the supersaiyan wanna be hair. So thats a +.
Fav Gamers: 2)Stork 5)Bisu
emucxg
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Finland4559 Posts
April 08 2010 19:25 GMT
#157
On April 09 2010 04:21 lone_hydra wrote:
Whatever, This MSL is looking so shitty, Bisu does not need nor want this MSL anyways. He will lead the team to proleague finals again. Bisu is not gonna turn up like Savior.

I am not in denial. I am not in denial. I am not in denial.

At least he got rid of the supersaiyan wanna be hair. So thats a +.

lool
DarthThienAn
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States2734 Posts
April 08 2010 19:27 GMT
#158
Just saw this. Great interview =D.

And.. I liked Bisu's hair
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Storm[PT]
Profile Joined March 2010
120 Posts
April 08 2010 23:01 GMT
#159
I are a Sad panda... WHYYYYYYY BISUUU?!?!
Toss ftw; For the Revolutionist!
dukethegold
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Canada5645 Posts
April 08 2010 23:04 GMT
#160
Bisu....Best...Stork...

Protoss race...
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