EPTKingdom talks about Bisu's Slump - Page 5
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 It matches exactly what go.go said in his interview. Bisuuu  | ||
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The only player who seems immune to this parity is flash, who is raping everyone left and right. | ||
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On March 29 2010 03:48 jodogohoo wrote: Isn't Idra also like this? Almost 99% of Idra's games are safe, rax cc builds. i think kingdom wanted to say that bisu is passive and makes one cannon more then necessary, getting that bunch units unnecessary before taking the expo etc, because he thinks he will roll his opponent anyway easy in a pure macrogame. unfortunately he puts his self behind in the earlygame that way =( so not safe like the idra way to get into macro mode (with beeing open to get cheesed BUT) with an early economical advantage. bisu is more like the opposite, going into macro mode with a disadvantage and knowing that. | ||
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baubo
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On March 29 2010 05:34 integral wrote: lol the commentators' analysis seems a bit off in places. bisu won WCG 2009 pretty handily, and yeah he's not looked as good since then, but he's only played 19 games in 2010 and his "slump" winrate is 50%. Bisu is fine, he's just not as dominant anymore. Other players are catching up to where the differences aren't as pronounced. The only player who seems immune to this parity is flash, who is raping everyone left and right. Did you mean WCG Korea? Where the "1st place" game is basically meaningless because you go on regardless? The only player who seems immune to this parity is flash, who is raping everyone left and right.[/ And what did Flash do between OSL wins? All players succumb to the metagame. Flash wasn't killing any protosses back when no terran could beat protoss. Nowadays, TvP is actually pretty good unless the protoss is Stork. The only person IMO that really stayed consistent over the years is Jaedong. | ||
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dukethegold
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On March 29 2010 10:41 baubo wrote: Did you mean WCG Korea? Where the "1st place" game is basically meaningless because you go on regardless? And what did Flash do between OSL wins? All players succumb to the metagame. Flash wasn't killing any protosses back when no terran could beat protoss. Nowadays, TvP is actually pretty good unless the protoss is Stork. The only person IMO that really stayed consistent over the years is Jaedong. WCG Korea was actually a pretty good demonstration. Despite that there is little prestige associated with it, Bisu nonetheless demonstrated solid skill during WCG Korea. He did defeat Flash and Stork very convincingly. How can anybody forget his goon micro against Flash? In his two games against Stork, Bisu was somehow always just one single step ahead. That WCG Korea was really a turning point. After it, Bisu started slumping, Stork returned to S-class gameplaying, and Flash started raping. Jaedong was still Jaedong. As for consistency, Flash's "slump" between his OSL victories were overblown. He had bad luck, too much pressure, but nonetheless maintained S-class gameplay with consistency in the proleague. His mentality is at least as strong as Jaedong's. | ||
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Bisu watches replays while he plays people. Flash is kind of the opposite of Bisu by playing the same way: he plays very safe but dominates weaker opponents, but he has problems vs great players. The problem is that Stork is the only great toss right now (come on, Movie pvt). | ||
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dukethegold
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As we have seen in Savior's case, this game sense won't last forever. Flash will slump eventually, but he will always remain a top tier player due to his strong natural mechanics, creativity with build orders and whatever system that he was talking about. As for Bisu, his strength is multi-tasking skill and mechanics. However, players are catching up and able to react to his multi-tasking abilities now. There is a limitation to the reaction speed of a human player. It seems that some of the players are starting to catch up to that level after additional years of practice. Due to Bisu's lack of creativity when it comes to build orders (and probably imagination in general), a strong Protoss coach is a necessity to do the brain work for him. Kingdom's departure left a serious hole in Bisu's arsenal. I also suspect Bisu is more prone to psychological trauma than Flash and Jaedong due to a slightly weaker mentality. Cheer leading support is pretty much necessary. | ||
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buickskylark
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On March 29 2010 11:30 dukethegold wrote: That and also the "special system" that he developed for himself for hotkeys and stuff according to one of his interviews. Can u point to this interview? Or if it was a brief mention, can you summarize it at least? As for Bisu, his strength is multi-tasking skill and mechanics. However, players are catching up and able to react to his multi-tasking abilities now. There is a limitation to the reaction speed of a human player. It seems that some of the players are starting to catch up to that level after additional years of practice. Due to Bisu's lack of creativity when it comes to build orders (and probably imagination in general), a strong Protoss coach is a necessity to do the brain work for him. Kingdom's departure left a serious hole in Bisu's arsenal. I also suspect Bisu is more prone to psychological trauma than Flash and Jaedong due to a slightly weaker mentality. Cheer leading support is pretty much necessary. I don't think people have necessarily caught up to Bisu's multitasking abilities, as he's one of the best regardless of race. But it use to be that he could play standard, against a superior build order, and plow his way through on the foundations of his macro alone. The silver lining here, though, seems to be that if Bisu could get some help with his BOs then he could pick up where he left off. | ||
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dukethegold
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On March 29 2010 12:05 buickskylark wrote: Can u point to this interview? Or if it was a brief mention, can you summarize it at least? I don't think people have necessarily caught up to Bisu's multitasking abilities, as he's one of the best regardless of race. But it use to be that he could play standard, against a superior build order, and plow his way through on the foundations of his macro alone. The silver lining here, though, seems to be that if Bisu could get some help with his BOs then he could pick up where he left off. This is the interview: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=113506 Actually, he only briefly mentioned that he has a "special way" of managing his build that other players can't copy. It left the impression in me that he has a special system of management. I don't know why I said hotkeys. As for Bisu. I don't know. I watched his 3rd set against go.go. It was pretty frustrating to watch. He should have smelled something wrong when go.go started pumping marines. His goon also goon danced right outside of go.go's main's choke for a while and retreated a little bit later rather than attempt to scout out go.go strategy (which he could have easily done since go.go was starting to push his force out of the choke). I really think he underestimated go.go there and plain lacked the game sense that Flash got. | ||
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