The problem is that people tend to forget to soon when it comes to internet things. I dont feel like I'm the one to say how long someone should be banned and really it's up to the people arranging the tour/ladder or whatever, but 2months or whatever is just a joke and a kick in the groin to honest players...
And the thing that "it's not a big deal/you take it to seriously"... When it's money involved, it's serious...

Mora

Canada5235 Posts

February 26 2004 03:01 GMT

#43

i agree 100% with drone, leinad, and ogre.

nice post ogre~

ShAsTa

Belgium2841 Posts

February 26 2004 03:12 GMT

#44

On February 26 2004 08:35 OgerDaniel wrote:
he ought to be treated differently, not as a human being.

Agreed with most of the stuff u said except this.

hasuwar

7365 Posts

February 26 2004 03:22 GMT

#45

Anyone with any common sense agrees with Ogre. He commited the "murder" of the brood war world, he should recieve the punishment for murder in the brood war world. The son of a bitch shouldn't be able to play anymore, ever again. That can't happen, obviously, so the next best thing would be to keep him from playing in any tournaments or ladders. Yet, there's a bunch of retards at WGT and across the globe that sympathize for him, because he's "good offline".

No one had any sympathy for all those assholes who got to the olympics because they were good, then used steroids to cheat to win. Anyone who did, was an idiot.

The sad thing is, they'll probably let him play in sPGL, and sPGL won't give a shit if Drone doesn't play because of it or not :| It seems like this ass clown has a lot of sway when it comes to tournament/ladder managers ;o There was never any sympathy for hackers before he got caught

OgerDaniel

273 Posts

February 26 2004 03:41 GMT

#46

I agree. The "athletics"-example is pretty good.

I think it's even WORSE if you are a good player and hack.

Trek is among the best non-korean players but he is definitely not _way_ better than any of those top players.

The only way to make sure you win against people who are at the same skill level or even better is: hacking.

These people have put a lot of effort in being good gamers. Hacking means disrespecting and destroying their effort!

I don't know how you can tolerate this and say "he is a good gamer anyway"!?!

sage.francis

United States236 Posts

February 26 2004 03:52 GMT

#47

it's ok to hack as long as you can cover it up. then if you get caught just lie about it saying you only hacked once. then once you get caught lying it doesn't matter since we'll still let you play in ladders and tournaments. hacking is great, in fact we encourage it! that's basically the message wgtour is sending by still letting him play.

Insane

United States4991 Posts

February 26 2004 03:56 GMT

#48

Trek should definitely not be let into competitive ladders and the such. Completely agreed

Rekrul

Korea (South)17174 Posts

February 26 2004 04:07 GMT

#49

Trek not only hacks, but he sucks. He is also a fucking psychotic loser. Ban.

Sirakor

Great Britain455 Posts

February 26 2004 04:08 GMT

#50

in theory i agree with Daniel, but in an online world there's one big problem: u have absolutely no way to prove someone's identity. u can always make urself a new name and if u're not stupid u can pass off as some newschool kid who finally figured out how to play game. And that's precisely the reason why ppl should be allowed a 2nd chance. If u absolutely ban someone who hacked for life, I bet u they're NOT gonna quit bw. They'll get a different aka and off they go again. Imho that promotes hacking, if u get caught, get another aka that noone knows and merrily keep hacking. If however on the other hand u try to integrate ppl who hacked, but constantly remind them of their past, that's a better way of going about it. They're still able to play w/o a new id, but chances that they hack again are smaller than if they get a different aka. Especially since they know they're being watched. Think about it...

Oweo

Sweden13 Posts

February 26 2004 04:20 GMT

#51

On February 26 2004 13:07 [pG]Rekrul wrote:
Trek not only hacks, but he sucks. He is also a fucking psychotic loser. Ban.

So if you are a psychotic loser and suck at bw, you should not get another chance? ok, fine. But I think most ppl would agree on that he is good and I dont think he is a psychotic loser. Unban...

Pol

Poland1187 Posts

February 26 2004 04:23 GMT

#52

hehe Rekrul

Trek is BM he did not report loses on wgt

Commander{+}

United States2878 Posts

February 26 2004 04:28 GMT

#53

BW needs a fucking government.

Pol

Poland1187 Posts

February 26 2004 04:30 GMT

#54

ZoXXeR

Sweden197 Posts

February 26 2004 04:43 GMT

#55

On February 26 2004 10:51 Liquid`Drone wrote:
okay adamthegreat, because if you let people come back after just apologizing and promising that they'll use hack detecting programs, there's no punishment for hacking. so everyone can just hack until they're caught and some people won't even ever get caught. I think anyone caught should be banned from any competition for like at least a year, and that would include wgtour as well. :-)

i kinda agrees with the time ban thingy... we just have to remember. starcraft is a game. it won't be long before it dies, and therefor the time ban have to be kinda limited.

x[ReaPeR]x

United States3447 Posts

February 26 2004 04:50 GMT

#56

I don't mind if Trek plays offline, like at WCG, but I don't want to ever see him in tournaments again.

Liquid`Drone

Norway28665 Posts

February 26 2004 05:03 GMT

#57

zoxxer he should have thought about that before he hacked! and I said 1 year not 2-3 which is common in other sports anyway. should AT LEAST be one year though.

and yeah he can play in wcg cause thats purely offline and he never cheated in that before. but if trek gets to play in the next spgl season the admins are pretty much encouraging the rest of us to hack.

Oxygen

Canada3581 Posts

February 26 2004 05:11 GMT

#58

Can'r delete.

OgerDaniel

273 Posts

February 26 2004 05:16 GMT

#59

Sirakor,
in my humble oppinion getting a smurf and playing yourself to the top of a ladder is definitely possible.
But when it comes to tournaments, communities are aware of all the good players at least in the "western world". You can't just create a fake account and claim to have learned to play BW in a year or so that you can beat progamers. This means, smurfing is impossible, because all the "gosus" are well-known to the public. In those five/six years I have observed Starcraft, and there was NEVER a prodigy kid who came along. They all have a history. Everybody starts in some newbie clan or something likewise.
If you keep your eyes and ears open you will hear a lot of names of potentially great players. There was a whole bunch of insanely incredible comeback-replays by Nada long before he won all those tournaments and I remember people talking about Boxer way before he got the big time publicity.

Second of all, I didn't speak of life time ban. I said at least a year.

Even if you don't agree with me, I hope that we can agree on this:
Hacking has to be punished. Banning from big tournaments is the best way to fend off cases like Trek.

STIMEY d okgm fish

Canada6140 Posts

February 26 2004 05:24 GMT

#60

hacking isnt a crime because of its unfairness, its a crime because of the people it is done against. the whole point of punishing hackers is to prevent further damage. why can we be so convinced trek will not use hack anymore? sure, he wont click on buildings anymore, but he is already a good player, which only means he will make sure never to click on an enemy unit and always just have lucky, yet completely plausible scouting. we cannot ever be convinced he wont victimize people again unless he is using software that prevents him from doing so which currently is not heavily in use and perhaps not flawless either.

trek may be good but he has broken everyone's trust and should not be given a chance to do so again, we have no reason to think he's rehabilitated. PAROLE DENIED.