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Why the fuck is everybody allowing Trek to play tournaments again?
He's a fucking hacker. It doesn't matter how good he is without hack and how cute he is in chats, he did something morally inexcusable.
Why the fuck do you people turn into hordes of Mother Teresas when you promote this "give hackers a 2nd chance" bullshit and integrate them in ladders and tournaments?
Hacking is not some kind of sickness like alcoholism and it's not like hacking is caused by an extreme outburst of anger when your feelings / dignity are being hurt and poor Trek is not some kind of victim of social injustice.
Hackers simply FUCK over honest people who want to play the game and have fun. In some cases (tournaments), even money is involved (this one goes out for the materialists). It's greed, pure egoism or total stupidity / unconsciousness.
And DON'T give me that "was just kidding around" bullshit. Try to be a little more mature and think what harm you are doing to others when you are being insincere. Aren't you pissed off at all those people who waste your time?
I know, people can change... But Trek hacked like a couple of months ago?! You just let somebody get back in because he's famous, can play well and wrote a scanty excuse after lying to his friends?
Just tell me one fucking good reason why you are doing this.
PS : Referring to WGTour Tournaments and Ladder.
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i dont think he should be allowed in tournaments again either. once a hacker always a hacker no mather what they say. ppl dont change.
i also think ppl with the H flag and crap should also get banned again from wgt~ i mean there are ppl that were caught 5 times in wgt in a row and they write a apologie and they can get back? lal
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It feels good when you beat a hacker +_+
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On February 26 2004 06:56 OgerDaniel wrote:
Hackers simply FUCK over honest people who want to play the game and have fun.
What about hacking vs hackers?
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On February 26 2004 07:23 Overlord wrote: Show nested quote +On February 26 2004 06:56 OgerDaniel wrote:
Hackers simply FUCK over honest people who want to play the game and have fun. What about hacking vs hackers?
That is an interesting mu...kekek...pure macro..+_+
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Germany / USA16648 Posts
On February 26 2004 07:23 Overlord wrote: Show nested quote +On February 26 2004 06:56 OgerDaniel wrote:
Hackers simply FUCK over honest people who want to play the game and have fun. What about hacking vs hackers?
what about asking less stupid questions?
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On February 26 2004 07:27 FreeZEternal wrote: Show nested quote +On February 26 2004 07:23 Overlord wrote: On February 26 2004 06:56 OgerDaniel wrote:
Hackers simply FUCK over honest people who want to play the game and have fun. What about hacking vs hackers? That is an interesting mu...kekek...pure macro..+_+
LOL, the reason we play starcraft (and the reason why it's still played so much) is mostly because of the fog of war, hacker vs hacker mu's should be played in red alert or something 
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I find it interesting that Trek is already back in tournaments, while Testie is still an outcast. Says a lot about where being well liked and popular will get you.
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i used to hack a long time ago but i don't anymore
'once a hacker always a hacker' is fucking bullshit
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trek should not be given a second chance for hacking and then lying about it. "i only hacked once" LOL, people like that should be banned forever from any online game.
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Totally agree with Ogre. Both have been proved to hack on more than one occasion for christs sake. It just shows what a joke WGT really is.
Sad.
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Trek is an awesome terran user and should be given as many chances as possible.
Just him playing adds to the community, hack or not.
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Sweden1225 Posts
Tame, you have lots of good points to your post. As long as the non-hackers share the same view on hackers however we don't need to totally block them out.
It is a terrible thing to completely ignore others with that selfish act of hacking, but good-hearted as I wish to be (or something) I still prefer to statue a good example and hope (although it will seldom happen) to change the "bad guy" by just treating them humanly on my part.
also note, I don't claim to be perfect myself so don't give me that.
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i understand what ogerdaniel thinks, but now that i read that ryan actually hacked once, well that changes things for me :p
but i still agree, ban him
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On February 26 2004 08:21 Brown wrote:
Trek is an awesome terran user and should be given as many chances as possible.
Just him playing adds to the community, hack or not.
are you shitting me?? it doesn't matter how good he is, he's a piece of shit lying hacker.
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Sweden33719 Posts
On February 26 2004 08:09 Ryan307  wrote: i used to hack a long time ago but i don't anymore 'once a hacker always a hacker' is fucking bullshit
Serious hacker, hard-to-quit.
I mean, you hacked in like $$$$FASTEST MAP 5vs3 COMP$$$$, testie and trek hacked in cash tournaments (at least trek).
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Well, you have a point there Daaman.
It's not like I wouldn't shake hands with Trek or something. I got along with him quite well, I think. Just as a brood war player, he ought to be treated differently, not as a human being.
People ought to know what to expect when they hack and they should be able to cope with the results, i.g. they can't participate in tournaments and ladders anymore (for at least a year I'd say).
Right now,
he's getting away with it.
And that is definitely not OK.
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Every one should be given the punishment he deserves, may be he should be blocked for a while in events and wgtour ladder, but I think, just because he hacked in a GAME (I mean in BW).It's not fair to exclude a second chance.
Sorry guys but it's my opinion, I think you take this game a little bit too serious.
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You make it sound like he hacked in one random melee game vs some newb.
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I read something that Leinad wrote in another thread and I have to agree with it. You can't say 'Guys, relax, it's just a game!'
I would say that to all the people who want to kill TreK in RL. x_X
Hacking is the _worst_ thing you can do in BW, there is nothing more destroying. So he deserves _some_ kind of punishment. I don't say it should be a lifetime ban (but I understand the people who want that), but at least something.
The problem with TreK is, however, that he lied about his hacking. And tame is right, he is forgiven just because he is famous. Well, I would understand a lifetime ban because of the lying, but let the community decide.
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I would at least ban him from any league or ladder for 6 months and I wouldn't allow him to play CPL Winter Event as well as WCG
this would be enough of a treatment.
Banning him forever (sounds like that in tame's post) is not the right idea I think (it's impossible anyway)
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Norway28665 Posts
I agree
if trek gets to play in the next season of sPGL, something very many swedes seem to want, I won't participate.
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who the hell is trek -_-...he hacks?
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'once a hacker always a hacker' is wrong...i used to hack when i was newbie and now i never use it(only in 2v2 when im dead and i want to obs)...i just realized its boring...whats the point of winning if you cheated...no acomplishement at all -.-
But maybe a hacker thats really good and hacked for really long would hardly get used to not use his hack...but its not impossible.
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It is like weed..you don't get addicted..but..once a pot head alaways a pot head...
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TreK hacked for revenge on a hacker (though he should have just contacted admins). He's not the type to hack to win games. Thats just cheating. Anyone who thinks he will continue to hack is just plain dumb.
Furthermore, anyone who thinks in the fashion of "once a (blah) is always a (blah)" is ignorant and foolish. People can and do constantly change.
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'I only cheated once to get back at another hacker'
you actually believe that shit?
'Hes not the type to hack to win games'
LOL too funny
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diference with hackers and trek, is that hes actually good at bw, without hack.. so as me beliving that he can get another chance: yea, because he knows he can own without hack. Hopefully he will own wcg swe and play good in next wcg, so he can make a slow comback :O
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no hacker should be allowed to enter any tournament if the admin knows hes hacked before
thats my stance~_~ ive never touched a maphack on any game. (except d2 lolz)
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None of us should give a rats ass if he plays in cash tournies or not. It should be up to the other plays of the tournament, and should be based on what the majority of the tournament thinks.
Personally I think that 'once a hacker always a hacker' is like saying 'once a criminal always a criminal' and anyone who says that is a stupid little shit keke?
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I agree with Mandalor and Drone.
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Norway28665 Posts
chuiu chuiu chuiu no no no
he has admitted to hacking in like 30 games or so I think, dunno if that's the truth or not(but it obviously means he hacked in at least 30 games. ), but either way he DID hack in competitions, among other things he hacked in sGPL against well, me. he also hacked in WSL, which was a tourney involving money..
and not only that, but when he first got caught he made up a bullshit story about only having hacked twice or something, and people bought him. he didn't admit to hacking more until people actually proved he had hacked in more games, which means he can't be trusted, and people who can't be trusted shouldn't be playing in tournaments. period.
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Once a newbie always a newbie
[Insert dancing banana here]
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Norway28665 Posts
okay adamthegreat, because if you let people come back after just apologizing and promising that they'll use hack detecting programs, there's no punishment for hacking. so everyone can just hack until they're caught and some people won't even ever get caught. I think anyone caught should be banned from any competition for like at least a year, and that would include wgtour as well. :-)
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seems like allied lurker are for some ppl worse than hacking, sometimes i cant understand the ppl.
As if we would need just a single hacker, y give them a 2nd chance at all?
Everybody knows what he does and just when u use such strict rules against hacking less ppl will try it and dont come with "they will just cr8 a new acc/identity" cause no player who is just about average can cr8 a new identity and will cut all his connections to everybody he knews.
It takes for everyone a long time to find "friends" in the community and make urself "popular" and as soon as the risk is very high that being caught hacking will mean u will lose everything, the chance for someone (good) hacking is much less likely.
Also the community doesnt need (ex) hackers, there are enough player out there, sometimes u make it look like without all these hackers we wouldnt have anyone left to play but thats for sure not the case.
That Trek can really participate after 2 months in a big torunament is the biggest joke of the year.
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Screw it, you cant stop hackers, they can just smurf...
And it aint like he killed someone...
p.s.: Why do ppl allow Smuft to play in tourneys after his WDT scam? O_Oa
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Russian Federation172 Posts
On February 26 2004 10:51 Liquid`Drone wrote:
okay adamthegreat, because if you let people come back after just apologizing and promising that they'll use hack detecting programs, there's no punishment for hacking. so everyone can just hack until they're caught and some people won't even ever get caught. I think anyone caught should be banned from any competition for like at least a year, and that would include wgtour as well. :-)
Yes, smth like disciplinary punishment for hacking.
But i don't think its necessary to be so cruel. Thats not a crime at all
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The problem is that people tend to forget to soon when it comes to internet things. I dont feel like I'm the one to say how long someone should be banned and really it's up to the people arranging the tour/ladder or whatever, but 2months or whatever is just a joke and a kick in the groin to honest players...
And the thing that "it's not a big deal/you take it to seriously"... When it's money involved, it's serious...
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i agree 100% with drone, leinad, and ogre.
nice post ogre~
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On February 26 2004 08:35 OgerDaniel wrote:
he ought to be treated differently, not as a human being.
Agreed with most of the stuff u said except this.
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Anyone with any common sense agrees with Ogre. He commited the "murder" of the brood war world, he should recieve the punishment for murder in the brood war world. The son of a bitch shouldn't be able to play anymore, ever again. That can't happen, obviously, so the next best thing would be to keep him from playing in any tournaments or ladders. Yet, there's a bunch of retards at WGT and across the globe that sympathize for him, because he's "good offline".
No one had any sympathy for all those assholes who got to the olympics because they were good, then used steroids to cheat to win. Anyone who did, was an idiot.
The sad thing is, they'll probably let him play in sPGL, and sPGL won't give a shit if Drone doesn't play because of it or not :| It seems like this ass clown has a lot of sway when it comes to tournament/ladder managers ;o There was never any sympathy for hackers before he got caught
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I agree. The "athletics"-example is pretty good.
I think it's even WORSE if you are a good player and hack.
Trek is among the best non-korean players but he is definitely not _way_ better than any of those top players.
The only way to make sure you win against people who are at the same skill level or even better is: hacking.
These people have put a lot of effort in being good gamers. Hacking means disrespecting and destroying their effort!
I don't know how you can tolerate this and say "he is a good gamer anyway"!?!
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it's ok to hack as long as you can cover it up. then if you get caught just lie about it saying you only hacked once. then once you get caught lying it doesn't matter since we'll still let you play in ladders and tournaments. hacking is great, in fact we encourage it! that's basically the message wgtour is sending by still letting him play.
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United States4991 Posts
Trek should definitely not be let into competitive ladders and the such. Completely agreed 
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Korea (South)17174 Posts
Trek not only hacks, but he sucks. He is also a fucking psychotic loser. Ban.
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in theory i agree with Daniel, but in an online world there's one big problem: u have absolutely no way to prove someone's identity. u can always make urself a new name and if u're not stupid u can pass off as some newschool kid who finally figured out how to play game. And that's precisely the reason why ppl should be allowed a 2nd chance. If u absolutely ban someone who hacked for life, I bet u they're NOT gonna quit bw. They'll get a different aka and off they go again. Imho that promotes hacking, if u get caught, get another aka that noone knows and merrily keep hacking. If however on the other hand u try to integrate ppl who hacked, but constantly remind them of their past, that's a better way of going about it. They're still able to play w/o a new id, but chances that they hack again are smaller than if they get a different aka. Especially since they know they're being watched. Think about it...
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On February 26 2004 13:07 [pG]Rekrul wrote:
Trek not only hacks, but he sucks. He is also a fucking psychotic loser. Ban.
So if you are a psychotic loser and suck at bw, you should not get another chance? ok, fine. But I think most ppl would agree on that he is good and I dont think he is a psychotic loser. Unban...
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hehe Rekrul Trek is BM he did not report loses on wgt
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BW needs a fucking government.
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ya
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On February 26 2004 10:51 Liquid`Drone wrote:
okay adamthegreat, because if you let people come back after just apologizing and promising that they'll use hack detecting programs, there's no punishment for hacking. so everyone can just hack until they're caught and some people won't even ever get caught. I think anyone caught should be banned from any competition for like at least a year, and that would include wgtour as well. :-)
i kinda agrees with the time ban thingy... we just have to remember. starcraft is a game. it won't be long before it dies, and therefor the time ban have to be kinda limited.
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I don't mind if Trek plays offline, like at WCG, but I don't want to ever see him in tournaments again.
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Norway28665 Posts
zoxxer he should have thought about that before he hacked! and I said 1 year not 2-3 which is common in other sports anyway. should AT LEAST be one year though.
and yeah he can play in wcg cause thats purely offline and he never cheated in that before. but if trek gets to play in the next spgl season the admins are pretty much encouraging the rest of us to hack.
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Sirakor,
in my humble oppinion getting a smurf and playing yourself to the top of a ladder is definitely possible.
But when it comes to tournaments, communities are aware of all the good players at least in the "western world". You can't just create a fake account and claim to have learned to play BW in a year or so that you can beat progamers. This means, smurfing is impossible, because all the "gosus" are well-known to the public. In those five/six years I have observed Starcraft, and there was NEVER a prodigy kid who came along. They all have a history. Everybody starts in some newbie clan or something likewise.
If you keep your eyes and ears open you will hear a lot of names of potentially great players. There was a whole bunch of insanely incredible comeback-replays by Nada long before he won all those tournaments and I remember people talking about Boxer way before he got the big time publicity.
Second of all, I didn't speak of life time ban. I said at least a year.
Even if you don't agree with me, I hope that we can agree on this:
Hacking has to be punished. Banning from big tournaments is the best way to fend off cases like Trek.
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hacking isnt a crime because of its unfairness, its a crime because of the people it is done against. the whole point of punishing hackers is to prevent further damage. why can we be so convinced trek will not use hack anymore? sure, he wont click on buildings anymore, but he is already a good player, which only means he will make sure never to click on an enemy unit and always just have lucky, yet completely plausible scouting. we cannot ever be convinced he wont victimize people again unless he is using software that prevents him from doing so which currently is not heavily in use and perhaps not flawless either.
trek may be good but he has broken everyone's trust and should not be given a chance to do so again, we have no reason to think he's rehabilitated. PAROLE DENIED.
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when someone commits a crime nobody in the court is like "ohhh lets give him another chance"... he pays for what he did.
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He hacked and lied and lied again. He hacked he was caught. He said he only hacked once. This was proven wrong. Then he said he would quit playing BW. He did not. If his opponents refuse to play him in tournaments, they should get the bye, not him. I would personally refuse to play him.
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It's actually quite funny what you say here... I see many people here rooting for Elky and he's cheated before and admitted it. I do agree with yuo OgerDaniel however,as I have never - and will never - cheat in any game, but I'm afraid my view of gaming is in minority. Some statistics I've seen state that some 80% have cheated...
Pretty much all good young (yes it IS and age thing too, since most cheaters are young and immature and generally pesky individuals) players or those who think they are good have cheated at one time or another.
A few grow up and stop cheating, a few stop cheating but don't grow up and continue to be a menace, and many simply continue being generally retarded.
Unfortunately that's how it is today. The average internet users and online gamers are becoming younger.. their morals are worse etc etc etc.
Too much in todays world is about cheating, screwing other people over just to get ahead. Alas integrity is something sorely lacking nowadays... :|
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As nice as trek was the one time I ever talked to him, I have to agree dont let him play again.
But then I kinda support testie playing again without hacks...so I guess I cant really talk, Ill just remain nutral
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i'm not unforgiving, i just dont understand how trek has earned our trust since he broke it. not only did he get caught, but he just kept on lying. does anyone have a convincing argument about why we should trust trek again?
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i think 2nd chance would be an option when someone confess a crime before he was caught!
but god damn he was caught and he denied it and then lied again and again, and now he got a 2nd chance? this is stupid.
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the thing is, people who have not broken our trust completely are given the benefit of the doubt, i.e. "its possible for that to happen regularly without hack", but with trek, how can we give him that benefit again? and if we can't, even if he's not hacking, we will have to ban him just for coincidences that are bound to happen. unless he gets back the same level of trust as everyone else, and i dont see how that will happen, how can we let him play with us?
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Hovz, just at curiosity who u think are top 5 non korean?
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Lots of really strong points are made in this thread (pretty intelligent considering the average iq of the tl.net user  ) I mean i was one of those people who originally believed when Trek said he only hacked 1-2x and then i felt like an idiot for trying to defend him and such when the other accusations were confirmed :|
But what about other users who have used maphacks in the past (i.e. Testie) hardly anyone says anything about him still being on wgtour and competing in clan/nation wars. I guess Trek pretty much commited career suicide since most of the community now shuns him : (
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and HovZ who are the other 4 users in your top 5 list?
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Hey guys
I dont think this trek dude should be banned for life, but i think a punishment is in order.
I mean, it was his choice to download the hack and to turn it on.
It's not liek someone pointed a gun to his head and made him hack.
Thats my opinion
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i actually just about started paying attention to wgt/tl.net when trek was exposed as a hacker...anyone mind telling me his accomplishments before that?
was he top wgt/wsl player?
why did everyone think he was so great?
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yeah and no more faggots in the community! (OgerDaniel)
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bishop, imo trek got his second chance when he said he only hacked in one game and that was proven to be false. we cant ALWAYS catch ALL hackers with lasgo, either, as explained previously in posts you didnt read too well.
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Bah dont let him play in tourneys for a very significant amount of time, and then only if he somehow convinces most of the community that he's had an attitude change.
Thats why testie is now accepted in most tourneys right?
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On February 26 2004 22:47 littlechava wrote:
i actually just about started paying attention to wgt/tl.net when trek was exposed as a hacker...anyone mind telling me his accomplishments before that?
was he top wgt/wsl player?
why did everyone think he was so great?
He won some offline events in Sweden. Also doing good in the wcg qualifications etc. He has also been top on wgtour(I guess he hacked then though).
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Norway28665 Posts
littlechava, he played in tons of tourneys and won or placed really high in pretty much all of them. (like sPGL, and the swedish king of the hill thing, where he won 3 times in a row or something? but he hacked in both those competitions so! )
and he also got like 50-2 in wgtour or something, beating several really good koreans.
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did he hack in the king of the hill matches?
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i have so little respect for people who gain their reputation through hacking..
some hackers should be given a 2nd chance,but not trek,and definetly not so soon.
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I think he hacked less than people thinks. Maybe 15-20 games or so.
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And where do you draw the limit for banning people? Should a person who hacked 10 games 4 moths ago be allowed to play in tournies today?
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On February 27 2004 08:15 Immer[Forever] wrote:
And where do you draw the limit for banning people? Should a person who hacked 10 games 4 moths ago be allowed to play in tournies today?
no
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On February 27 2004 08:12 Immer[Forever] wrote:
I think he hacked less than people thinks. Maybe 15-20 games or so.
Well, that's a convincing argument.
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Norway28665 Posts
I haven't personally investigated it or anything but I heard from sources I have no reason to not believe in that he hacked against veg in KOTH at least. im not going to guarantee that or anything, but considering he hacked against me in sPGL, also a purely prestigeous tourney, there's no reason to believe he was legit in KOTH. =[
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Someone mind telling me what goes through the mind of a hacker.. Trek?? You wanted to get back at a hacker? You wanted to see what it was like? You are a pussy that couldnt stand to lose to the better player, so you had to hack you're balls off to accomplish something? I wonder which is true?
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You CAN be assured that he will never hack again, since BWScanner/BWSentinel can detect hacks even without clicks. So what if he hacked in the past? He has already destroyed his reputation and lost all respect in the community. That in itself is punishment enough.
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Norway28665 Posts
no, that isn't punishment enough.
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HovZ is really good TvP.
About Elky, he was playing in a tournament where everyone else was hacking. Most people in WSL were not. And no one in KOTH/sPGL was except him.
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On February 27 2004 13:22 gunkyman wrote:
You CAN be assured that he will never hack again, since BWScanner/BWSentinel can detect hacks even without clicks. So what if he hacked in the past? He has already destroyed his reputation and lost all respect in the community. That in itself is punishment enough.
So if I plagurized a paper in university, but I felt really bad about it, and no one respected me or liked me, I should still be able to go to university? That's not how it works. Losing respect and reputation is not punishment because he wouldn not care about it if he was still allowed to compete. And correct me if I'm wrong, but BWscanner is not 100% accurate either.
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HovZ isnt really good tvp or tvz for that matter. Didn't watch him TvT much.
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why doesnt anyoen care about testing playing in tournies and shit then? hes been caught hacking several times no?
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Because he hasn't been caught in a long ass time and everyone thinks he stopped.. If I ran all the tournaments, no convicted hacker would play it any tournament ever again.
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playing consistantly...when would a hacker not use it? if they play someone they know they can beat they'd just use the hacker to make it end faster. i doubt there are times where they didnt use it
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there could be a special bwscanner(or equivalent) tourney for caught hackers to play eachother in. then we can know who the best caught hacker is, and still tell them to go fuck themselves.
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Trek (as any other hacker) should be punished very severly, so he would be an example to any potential map-hacker. The problem is that many people forgive him because he was known to be good, I don't think that a random hacker (who doesn't get the sort of recongition Trek gets) would be treated in the same way...Saying sorry is not enough sometimes...
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I think "GoDHovZ" says enough about your ego and your top 5 list...
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it only says something about his sense of humor ... and urz
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On February 27 2004 13:40 x[ReaPeR]x wrote:
HovZ is really good TvP.
About Elky, he was playing in a tournament where everyone else was hacking. Most people in WSL were not. And no one in KOTH/sPGL was except him.
hmm, i dont think elky hacked. He just created multiple accounts and maybe wintraded, im not sure.
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Iraq1230 Posts
alot of the accusers dont know a shit, just check the cheater section at wgtour.com and check my game, 40% says I hack which I dont. many just wanna destroy for others, mostly these people from some countries.
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I agree ...
never give criminals second chance ^^
never give hackers second chance ...
-Zaks
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banning for life is the only thing you can do. Once you know that a person is of a calibre that is willing to hack, you know they are no longer trustworthy. The only thing that keeps anyone from hacking is their own morals. Once you cross that line, you can't uncross it. No tourney, ladder, or any such thing that I ever hosted was open to a known hacker, nor will one I host ever be.
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Let me say this: If you don't try to change the bad guy (hacker) They will just smurf and hack again and then what? You will still be playing the same amount of hacker like you used to did... See what wgtour does they keep banning like 40+ people and then that's the one they caught there still is so many hackers to find in wgtour. so my point you should give them a change like in wgtour to prove themself with the H but no tournament or cash ladders or whatever for over a year i think then they are completely clean...
And once a hacker always a hacker isn't true. You should try to change them if they want to change and get caught again well i'd say shoot the goddam MOTHAFUCKA !!!
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if someone stab u in the back u shouldnt put ur back 2 them
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Oh look! Another dick ryding thread. To hell with Trek, he sucks, I own him 5-0 even with his hacks, thx
Majority of these kids hack, you're just competing to see whose the best at covering it up.
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calm down its a game :D but i see your point when it comes to money --
.................................right? even though..he still should be banned
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I used to hack on ladder, and I still would if I still cared.
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The new wgt (H) flag thing sucks...
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They should leave former hackers alone and give them a (h) flag that only they should see. No need to display their past dishonor to the public...Just let them reform in peace. Some people taking hacking as if its a crime against humanity. Get over it people its a game if im not mistaken -_-
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Some ppl here wants to play a game fairly, it isint the same as diablo or any rpg game, here its 1v1, many times the ones that hack falme the ones they win, they win only for the hack, and its more or less a crime, if u dont think this way, maybe is cause u never try to improve at this game, and all your effort go to the basket case when u play a hacker.-
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I think they should be shot. Then shot again.
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On March 31 2004 15:42 Slaughter)BiO wrote:
They should leave former hackers alone and give them a (h) flag that only they should see. No need to display their past dishonor to the public...Just let them reform in peace. Some people taking hacking as if its a crime against humanity. Get over it people its a game if im not mistaken -_-
It's for the better. It's like sex offenders, they have to register, and tell people they are sex offenders when they move to a new neighborhood. It's so everyone knows, and is comfortable with them playing against them. If you wear the tag, people will know you are a hacker, and can decide to play you, or not to play you.
Also, they should be ridiculed, etc, etc. What they did is the equivallent to murder IRL.
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if they are truly reformed, then they should not be punished further unless it is to deter others from making their same choices.
the problem with hackers is usually they just fade away and then come back, saying they don't hack -- just like they always did before they got caught.
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