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I feel so touched by this interview. It was such a sad story for such a young and promising guy.
And I felt so upset that I chose to support SKT1 in my fantasy league because of Boxer.
Flash made me cry all the time. 
Something is boiling inside me to see him succeed, to reach greater height!!
Like the way he wanted to be the new Boxer, where next generation of players will remember and idol him.
Actually I used felt the same way for stork too, the way he keep getting silvers. Such pity, always reached finals but get silvers.
But this time the feeling is greater. I really wan to support him. Flash
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On January 27 2010 14:28 DarkOptik wrote:Show nested quote +On January 27 2010 13:58 calvinL wrote:On January 27 2010 13:14 yoshi_yoshi wrote:
I'm a big Flash fan but also agree that he could have sucked it up for game 4, and the interview confirms that he didn't. It doesn't matter that you, I, or a normal person would have curled up into a ball - when he is trying to become the greatest of all time, then these situations are a chance to show why. If he had beaten JD in game 4 that would be legendary and he missed that opportunity. wow and every one else who has the same opinion.... I thought he was plenty mature and he already sucked it up by not walking away from this terrible final. Come on guys, hes not a robot with no emotions. Again, the point is being obscured. No one is arguing he was being immature, or anything else. I thought that by continuing to play he was already quite resilient. But what it comes down to this: Do you think Flash should've played the remaining games with a negative mindset or a positive mindset? This is the last I'm saying on the matter, feel free to take it to PM.
What they're saying is that pretty much ANYONE (and I'm confident that Jaedong would do the same) in that utterly ridiculous position would crack. That's not "just another high pressure situation that you prepare for". the stuff that happened was completely ridiculous and should never happen in a professional setting.
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Actually I dont like this interview at all, yeah maybe Flash got owned by Kespa but he is insulting Jaedong.
He is saying:
1) I lost cus I didnt have a heater
2) I won like every normal game
3) Kespa owned me
4) I dont want to play so I lost
These were my exact thoughts. Why is everyone saying what a great interview that was, and how mature Flash is? To me he gave excuse after excuse and came off like a whiny baby.
He should have taken the moral high ground. Certainly he can say that he was unhappy with the KESPA ruling and that it had a huge effect on him, but he should have left it at that.
Flash's own coach said:
The Association did not say that there was no replay."
In the interview Flash:
but what truly made it difficult for me to get over this was their attitude.
3 Referees came up to and told me “We saw the replay, it's over.” But then our coaching staff found out that there was no replay at all.
So Flash was complaining about something that never happened. It makes him look very bad, and makes me question his entire version of the story. What else is he saying that isn't true?
Anyway, I am just very disappointed by his reaction and equally surprised by how much in love everyone is with it.
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On January 27 2010 21:22 FieryBalrog wrote:
Not a big fan of flash. The interview is candid, but he doesn't really accept that he lost or move on. "cold hands"... Jaedong dealt with it.
When NBA teams have to deal with a bad call they don't usually blame it for everything in interviews afterwards.
...Yes, they do, and if you could actually read, he wasn't just coming up with excuses left and right. Stop being completely ignorant and pay attention to what you read.
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On January 28 2010 00:36 Varbind wrote:Show nested quote +Actually I dont like this interview at all, yeah maybe Flash got owned by Kespa but he is insulting Jaedong.
He is saying:
1) I lost cus I didnt have a heater
2) I won like every normal game
3) Kespa owned me
4) I dont want to play so I lost These were my exact thoughts. Why is everyone saying what a great interview that was, and how mature Flash is? To me he gave excuse after excuse and came off like a whiny baby. He should have taken the moral high ground. Certainly he can say that he was unhappy with the KESPA ruling and that it had a huge effect on him, but he should have left it at that. Flash's own coach said: In the interview Flash: Show nested quote +
but what truly made it difficult for me to get over this was their attitude.
3 Referees came up to and told me “We saw the replay, it's over.” But then our coaching staff found out that there was no replay at all.
So Flash was complaining about something that never happened. It makes him look very bad, and makes me question his entire version of the story. What else is he saying that isn't true? Anyway, I am just very disappointed by his reaction and equally surprised by how much in love everyone is with it.
....It's like you didn't actually read it at all and just thought "I'm going to bash Flash" before you even read it.
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On January 28 2010 00:36 Varbind wrote:Show nested quote +Actually I dont like this interview at all, yeah maybe Flash got owned by Kespa but he is insulting Jaedong.
He is saying:
1) I lost cus I didnt have a heater
2) I won like every normal game
3) Kespa owned me
4) I dont want to play so I lost These were my exact thoughts. Why is everyone saying what a great interview that was, and how mature Flash is? To me he gave excuse after excuse and came off like a whiny baby. He should have taken the moral high ground. Certainly he can say that he was unhappy with the KESPA ruling and that it had a huge effect on him, but he should have left it at that. Flash's own coach said: In the interview Flash: Show nested quote +
but what truly made it difficult for me to get over this was their attitude.
3 Referees came up to and told me “We saw the replay, it's over.” But then our coaching staff found out that there was no replay at all.
So Flash was complaining about something that never happened. It makes him look very bad, and makes me question his entire version of the story. What else is he saying that isn't true? Anyway, I am just very disappointed by his reaction and equally surprised by how much in love everyone is with it.
Lot of reading comprehension errors. He was asked specifically about these occurrences and doesn't want to talk about it anymore because he and Jaedong are friends and it's not worth making a bigger scene out of.
The replay thing was the refs SPECIFICALLY lying to Flash and KT about how they made their decision. They said they reviewed a replay that never existed to come to their decision.
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On January 27 2010 21:38 TheBB wrote:Show nested quote +On January 27 2010 04:47 Little-Chimp wrote:
Where did fantasy say the refs made the right call? I'd like to know this too. Did I miss an interview?
No. Romad asked him on msn..
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Twotoneterran,
If you read the original post, Flash's coach states that flash was incorrect about this fact. The Kespa officials never said there was a replay. Yes, the english is a bit misleading, but that is the only way it can be interpreted. I think you should read it again.
Specifically read this part of the post:
UPDATE: KT Coach Lee Ji Hoon says Flash misunderstood
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On January 28 2010 00:35 Stratos_speAr wrote:Show nested quote +On January 27 2010 14:28 DarkOptik wrote:On January 27 2010 13:58 calvinL wrote:On January 27 2010 13:14 yoshi_yoshi wrote:
I'm a big Flash fan but also agree that he could have sucked it up for game 4, and the interview confirms that he didn't. It doesn't matter that you, I, or a normal person would have curled up into a ball - when he is trying to become the greatest of all time, then these situations are a chance to show why. If he had beaten JD in game 4 that would be legendary and he missed that opportunity. wow and every one else who has the same opinion.... I thought he was plenty mature and he already sucked it up by not walking away from this terrible final. Come on guys, hes not a robot with no emotions. Again, the point is being obscured. No one is arguing he was being immature, or anything else. I thought that by continuing to play he was already quite resilient. But what it comes down to this: Do you think Flash should've played the remaining games with a negative mindset or a positive mindset? This is the last I'm saying on the matter, feel free to take it to PM. What they're saying is that pretty much ANYONE (and I'm confident that Jaedong would do the same) in that utterly ridiculous position would crack. That's not "just another high pressure situation that you prepare for". the stuff that happened was completely ridiculous and should never happen in a professional setting.
Consider this example. You're a footballer and an opposing player dives next to you in the penalty box. They get a penalty and take a goal. You know you didn't touch him but the ref disagreed. You know the ref was fifty feet away and that you were the guy who allegedly ran into him. You still don't argue over it or let it get into your game. You suck it up and try and continue to play your A game.
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On January 28 2010 00:49 KwarK wrote:Show nested quote +On January 28 2010 00:35 Stratos_speAr wrote:On January 27 2010 14:28 DarkOptik wrote:On January 27 2010 13:58 calvinL wrote:On January 27 2010 13:14 yoshi_yoshi wrote:
I'm a big Flash fan but also agree that he could have sucked it up for game 4, and the interview confirms that he didn't. It doesn't matter that you, I, or a normal person would have curled up into a ball - when he is trying to become the greatest of all time, then these situations are a chance to show why. If he had beaten JD in game 4 that would be legendary and he missed that opportunity. wow and every one else who has the same opinion.... I thought he was plenty mature and he already sucked it up by not walking away from this terrible final. Come on guys, hes not a robot with no emotions. Again, the point is being obscured. No one is arguing he was being immature, or anything else. I thought that by continuing to play he was already quite resilient. But what it comes down to this: Do you think Flash should've played the remaining games with a negative mindset or a positive mindset? This is the last I'm saying on the matter, feel free to take it to PM. What they're saying is that pretty much ANYONE (and I'm confident that Jaedong would do the same) in that utterly ridiculous position would crack. That's not "just another high pressure situation that you prepare for". the stuff that happened was completely ridiculous and should never happen in a professional setting. Consider this example. You're a footballer and an opposing player dives next to you in the penalty box. They get a penalty and take a goal. You know you didn't touch him but the ref disagreed. You know the ref was fifty feet away and that you were the guy who allegedly ran into him. You still don't argue over it or let it get into your game. You suck it up and try and continue to play your A game.
That isn't comparable at all, whatsoever. That situation is still within the realm of in-game happenings, whereas the stuff that happened at the finals didn't have anything to do with in-game happenings and decisions - it was all about MBC/KeSPA being unprofessional, lying to people, throwing people out when they couldn't handle their own situation, etc...
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Statos_speAr,
KeSPA being unprofessional, lying to people,
Where are you getting this from? They did not lie to anyone, or are you simply taking Flash's word over his own coach and Kespa themselves?
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On January 28 2010 01:09 Varbind wrote:Statos_speAr, Where are you getting this from? They did not lie to anyone, or are you simply taking Flash's word over his own coach and Kespa themselves?
What? The coach said that the association never said there was no replay. What are you talking about?
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On January 28 2010 00:48 Varbind wrote:
Twotoneterran,
If you read the original post, Flash's coach states that flash was incorrect about this fact. The Kespa officials never said there was a replay. Yes, the english is a bit misleading, but that is the only way it can be interpreted. I think you should read it again.
Specifically read this part of the post:
UPDATE: KT Coach Lee Ji Hoon says Flash misunderstood
No dude. Twotoneterran is right. You're misreading the last line. "The Association did not say that there was no replay." If that was 'The Association did not say that there was a replay', then you'd be right. And maybe that was a mistype from Wax. But as it stands, he is clearly saying that the association did not tell the coaching team and Flash that they didn't have a replay when it was requested. The first line "I think there's a misunderstanding with Youngho (Flash) about KeSPA telling us there was a replay." can be interpreted as him correcting Flash's version that he was told by KeSPA that they'd watched a replay or it can be seen as him trying to put out a fire with a more general statement saying it was a 'misunderstanding'.
That is why everyone is supportive and 'in-love' with Flashs attitude.
If you're still unsure about the meaning of the last sentence from the coach try this: remove the double negatives and rereard it. So remove 'not' and 'no' - it now reads 'The Association did say that there was a replay'. Got it? They said there was a replay. Or they did not specifically tell the coaching staff that there wasn't a replay when asked for evidence. And they gave no further evidence.
Hope this clears it up for you.
And Kwark you are so incredibly biased here. I assumed MrHoon was referring to Magic-Phil and yourself. I know the point of posting your opinion isn't to win friends, but geez, your blatant "im right" attitude is making me an anti-fan without watching even one of your games. Let this whole thing go.
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OneOther,
I am assuming that it was an unintentional double negative resulting in a positive. In other words:
The Association did not say that there was no replay
should have been:
The Association did not say that there was a replay
The reason I am assuming this is because of the title
UPDATE: KT Coach Lee Ji Hoon says Flash misunderstood
It just doesn't make sense any other way. However if I am wrong them I will apologize and move on. Could someone clarify? I believe I am right, but I cannot be sure.
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Subversive,
Please explain the title of that section then. If you are correct, then the title makes no sense.
/shrug
The title should then read:
KT Coach Lee Ji Hoon says Flash is correct!
Which of those two possible mistakes do you think is more likely.
Also explain the next portion of the paragraph to me:
"I think there's a misunderstanding with Youngho (Flash) about KeSPA telling us there was a replay.
You can interpret this in many ways I suppose, but not with the title of the section saying what it does. Honestly I think you are taking the last sentence out of context with everything around it.
I can't say that I am right, but dam I would bet a lot of money on it.
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One way to parse it would be that they were not told that the decision was made without a replay: the refs moved and acted as if there was a replay without bothering to explain that there wasn't one, and that their decision wasn't based on one. So, they didn't lie, they just weren't open.
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On January 28 2010 01:25 Varbind wrote:Subversive, Please explain the title of that section then. If you are correct, then the title makes no sense. /shrug The title should then read: KT Coach Lee Ji Hoon says Flash is correct! Which of those two possible mistakes do you think is more likely. Also explain the next portion of the paragraph to me: Show nested quote +"I think there's a misunderstanding with Youngho (Flash) about KeSPA telling us there was a replay. Help me out here?
Yup ok I see why that's a confusing title. But as I said before, I think he is trying to put a blanket over a fire. Flash's remarks are fairly incendiary. So he is trying to call it "a misunderstanding" rather than what Flash claims which is that he was lied to. Also bear in mind Flash says 3 ref's came up to him and told him they'd seen a replay and that it was over. From reading that it's unclear whether Flash's coach was with him at that point or not. I think the coach is practicing damage control. He's being media savvy and protecting Flash from a shit-storm with KeSPA and just trying to smooth thing's over as well.
If he was saying that Flash was totally incorrect the title would read "Flash's Coach says he is wrong" Or more likely he'd call Flash and immediately make him retract his statement. However, we'll see when WaxAngel next checks and confirms the title or not 
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Subversive, well said. Yeah, we can only wait. Honestly, I hope I have it wrong as I like Flash very much.
However if he did get it wrong, and then put out that blanket statment, then I am going to be very disappointed in him unless he comes out and publically apologizes.
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Yeah me too. I think you might be right as well. I think that's probably a mistype from Wax. But I think he's not totally saying Flash is wrong so much as ameloriating Flash's language :p. Flash was bringing the rage a bit with his kespa hate. But so he should 
EDIT: Oh well even if his Coach is contradicting Flash, I don't think he'd need to apologise. The Coaches were furious at KeSPA at the time as well let's remember, and threatened to pull Flash from the tournament. I seriously think his Coach is just practicing politics here and mitigating Flash's language.
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Hmmm assuming I have interpreted it correctly, and that is a big if, then I think he has to apologize to Kespa.
As you said:
Flash's remarks are fairly incendiary
That is really my major point. I can understand his anger/frustration and I can see why he reacted the way that he did.
HOWEVER!
He did not act in a mature fashion, he over reacted, he made incorrect accusations about Kespa. It is understandable, but not commendable!
It was a dissapointing interview, but an understandable one. I feel for this kid, I really do. He is incredibly young after all.
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