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Australia1810 Posts
On January 29 2010 08:51 Zoler wrote: he is right though, all us fanboys keep flaming each other no matter the result. why cant we get along like flash wants us to =]pIdiot or troll, which one is it? I can barely tell in these threads. | ||
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Soulfly
Sweden19 Posts
On January 29 2010 08:54 11cc wrote: But kespa had to choose from 2 crappy options so I don´t wwant to whine about that. No. They applied a rule after concluding that is was applicable. I see people here arguing that the rules should not apply to this game, because it's Flash or because it's not usual, etc. | ||
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Soulfly
Sweden19 Posts
On January 29 2010 07:44 synapse wrote: Progamers in general never admit they were outplayed. Its always "I've disappointed my fans blah blah blah I will win next time" That is self-criticism, this is more like everything-else-criticism. I can understand Flash though, he's young and hurt. I'm not sure though that he is helped by all fans bashing out and amplifying this everything-else-criticism. | ||
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Tien
Russian Federation4447 Posts
On January 29 2010 08:51 Zoler wrote: Idiot or troll, which one is it? I can barely tell in these threads. The only idiots in this thread are the ones whining and bitching about why someone loss. Look at the KTF vs OZ proleague thread. The last 20 pages is filled with an excuse from Jaedong fanboys (I'm a Jaedong lover myself) towards why he loss and how he played better than Flash until he forgot to research consume. Jaedong didn't "play" better than Flash. HE LOST. Flash seized the moment and ended the game. Any other Terran would have capitulated long ago. In the OSL Ro8. All these Jaedong fanboys insulted Flash for bunker rushing Jaedong. I didn't take part of that idiocy at all because Jaedong was clearly outplayed by Flash that time. Then these fanboys claimed if it was a Bo5 instead of a Bo3 then Jaedong would have won because he wasn't able to play a straight up game vs Flash. Bullshit. Flash gave Jaedong the chance to play straight up in game 1 and Jaedong blew it. Now bring up this MSL debacle. Bring up this game 3 blackout. If Flash was the better player that day, Flash would have won game 3. Flash wouldn't have allowed a comeback to happen and he would have sealed the deal. But he didn't. Jaedong fought back and took the lead by the time the blackout happened. Unfair for Flash? Sure, but that's too bad, rules are rules, shit happens. Game 4. Flash said it himself there is no excuse for game 4. He was outplayed and Jaedong won. Now all you fanboys can come up with as many BS excuses as you want to why Flash lost. But if he was the better player that series, he would have closed out game 3, and game 4 would have been a completely different game. But he didn't. Flash had his chance to take Nate, and he didn't. End of story. | ||
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11cc
Finland561 Posts
On January 29 2010 09:22 Soulfly wrote: No. They applied a rule after concluding that is was applicable. I see people here arguing that the rules should not apply to this game, because it's Flash or because it's not usual, etc. I don´t know what kind of rules they have and I don´t think it´s relevant to what I said. Even if there is a rule it sucks that the game was given to JD. Regame just would´ve sucked more because it would´ve been unfair to JD. I would be interested to read the kespa rules btw, are those translated somewhere? | ||
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GeLaar
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Vasoline73
United States7801 Posts
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MrHoon
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Murderotica
Vatican City State2594 Posts
On January 26 2010 23:18 LibertyTerran wrote: Thanks Mr. Hoon for the awesome translation. But can you remove or put in the spoiler tag ur own opinion [Shame on you foreign fanbases]? I found it quite disturbing and unpleasant to say the least. Flash doesnt seem to blame on anyone but the 3 referees (KeSPA). And he's got legilimate reason ("we saw the replays, it's over" whereas there was no replay at all). Best troll ever. | ||
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yarders
United Kingdom194 Posts
On January 29 2010 09:22 Soulfly wrote: No. They applied a rule after concluding that is was applicable. I see people here arguing that the rules should not apply to this game, because it's Flash or because it's not usual, etc. What rule? This is not what they've done in the past, there is serious lack of consistency. There lack of faith in their own decision is highlighted by the fact they felt they had to twist the truth afterwards during their explanation. More importantly this decision goes against all sporting philosphy, though nobody wishes to acknowledge me on this point. No other sport in the world would adjudicate a match in this manner. It defeats the key element at the heart of all sports, notably that you can come back from behind. If you can name another final in the history of sport where the match has been decided by an ajudication please enlighten me. (Not including events which are judged.) | ||
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Soulfly
Sweden19 Posts
On January 29 2010 22:19 yarders wrote: What rule? This is not what they've done in the past, there is serious lack of consistency. There lack of faith in their own decision is highlighted by the fact they felt they had to twist the truth afterwards during their explanation. More importantly this decision goes against all sporting philosphy, though nobody wishes to acknowledge me on this point. No other sport in the world would adjudicate a match in this manner. It defeats the key element at the heart of all sports, notably that you can come back from behind. If you can name another final in the history of sport where the match has been decided by an ajudication please enlighten me. (Not including events which are judged.) I disagree with you on two points. First, that the rules haven't either existed or been applied before is no argument to not apply them. Sports evolve, precedents and rules changes over time, the rules are part of the game. Second, comparing with other sports this ruling is not controversial, nor was is it against sporting philosophy. These kind of rules exists everywhere, there are many tennis finals being decided with a referee ruling if the ball touched the line or not and sometimes they make the wrong decision. Rulings will be unfair but they are also part of the sport. The unfairness by power outage rulings should be easy to fix with UPS:es and constantly saving the game on multiple places (+fsync) to be able to resume the game. I hope Blizzard will help with the latter part. | ||
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blade55555
United States17423 Posts
On January 29 2010 09:30 Tien wrote: The only idiots in this thread are the ones whining and bitching about why someone loss. Look at the KTF vs OZ proleague thread. The last 20 pages is filled with an excuse from Jaedong fanboys (I'm a Jaedong lover myself) towards why he loss and how he played better than Flash until he forgot to research consume. Jaedong didn't "play" better than Flash. HE LOST. Flash seized the moment and ended the game. Any other Terran would have capitulated long ago. In the OSL Ro8. All these Jaedong fanboys insulted Flash for bunker rushing Jaedong. I didn't take part of that idiocy at all because Jaedong was clearly outplayed by Flash that time. Then these fanboys claimed if it was a Bo5 instead of a Bo3 then Jaedong would have won because he wasn't able to play a straight up game vs Flash. Bullshit. Flash gave Jaedong the chance to play straight up in game 1 and Jaedong blew it. Now bring up this MSL debacle. Bring up this game 3 blackout. If Flash was the better player that day, Flash would have won game 3. Flash wouldn't have allowed a comeback to happen and he would have sealed the deal. But he didn't. Jaedong fought back and took the lead by the time the blackout happened. Unfair for Flash? Sure, but that's too bad, rules are rules, shit happens. Game 4. Flash said it himself there is no excuse for game 4. He was outplayed and Jaedong won. Now all you fanboys can come up with as many BS excuses as you want to why Flash lost. But if he was the better player that series, he would have closed out game 3, and game 4 would have been a completely different game. But he didn't. Flash had his chance to take Nate, and he didn't. End of story. Whats the problem with people saying jaedong was playing better then flash until he forgot consume? Its true you are allowed to discuss a game you know. I hate how people like you automatically assume "fanboy" if they say the reason jaedong lost was because he forgot consume which is entirely true just like in game 1 of the MSL flash didn't make enough turrets at his main which cost him again am I a flash fanboy now with that comment? | ||
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ZkilfinG
Sweden14 Posts
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PhOeniX[MinD]
361 Posts
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aced89
Canada6 Posts
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Cambium
United States16368 Posts
On January 29 2010 05:51 StylishVODs wrote: He's not whining about it. He said basically its a shame that he couldn't provide a good first game because his hands was freezing. Thats all folks. If he said he was in a decent spot, then he was. His money must have been higher than we thought or something like that. I cannot agree more. | ||
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Heimatloser
Germany1494 Posts
cant esports afford heaters for their stadiums? thats just crazy... | ||
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snapcrackle
United States568 Posts
On February 02 2010 23:54 Heimatloser wrote: lol, bisu only playing with jacket, flash only playing with hot air blower on the hands... wtf are the conditions like in those stadiums? cant esports afford heaters for their stadiums? thats just crazy... keep in mind it really really is cold. When was the last time you went into a stadium in the states or whereever you are from that can house hundreds of people and find it to be all cozy and warm. It isn't the fact that they can't afford it... its natural for stadiums to feel cold especially in places like korea (the winters get REALLY cold there)... likewise the summer gets really hot ALso i'm pretty sure that none of the booths in any part of the world comes with a little heater attached to it... it aint no luxury booth | ||
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Heimatloser
Germany1494 Posts
On February 03 2010 00:00 snapcrackle wrote: keep in mind it really really is cold. When was the last time you went into a stadium in the states or whereever you are from that can house hundreds of people and find it to be all cozy and warm. It isn't the fact that they can't afford it... its natural for stadiums to feel cold especially in places like korea (the winters get REALLY cold there)... likewise the summer gets really hot ALso i'm pretty sure that none of the booths in any part of the world comes with a little heater attached to it... it aint no luxury booth its okay that the stadium itself is cold, but the atleast the booths should be warm. the booths do have ac, atleast jd says so in his interview against woongjin. probably only the virtual studio has none. | ||
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