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Flash's MSL Story

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MrHoon *
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
10183 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-01-28 06:12:53
January 26 2010 14:01 GMT
#1
WARNING: THERE WILL BE NO HARDCORE FANBOISM/TROLLING/BASHING/FLAMING IN THIS THREAD OR RETARDED "WHAT IF'S" EVERYONE SEEMS TO BE DOING

I want everyone to keep this thread as civil as possible. I'm not going to name names but there is a certain Flash fan and Jaedong fan I hope to god don't post in this thread.

Before you start reading the interview: Flash has moved on, so stop gay 'what if zomg' or 'counter what if zomg'




UPDATE: KT Coach Lee Ji Hoon says Flash misunderstood
(Hi Hoon, this is Wax following up for you)

Osen reports the following quote from head coach Lee regarding the Flash's statments:

"I think there's a misunderstanding with Youngho (Flash) about KeSPA telling us there was a replay. We requested a replay, but the power outage made it so one couldn't be saved. After that, what happened was that we asked for specific evidence supporting their decision (to give Jaedong the decision victory), which was refused, so we requested a rematch. The Association did not say that there was a replay."





- How were you after the MSL Finals?
▲ I just want to start off and say that this will be the absolute last time I will talk about this so I hope people can respect that too.
At the finals, I have expected everything except a game decision done by the Kespa refs. When they decided that Jaedong won the match, I knew deep down inside I will lose the finals. Any progamer in my shoes would've lost the whole thing too after the decision.

- After the Kespa Refs made their decision, you left and talked with your coaching staff. What did you talk about?
▲ Frankly, I do not remember anything during that one hour. All I could remember was asking myself “what is going on” and panicking. I didn't know what to do after the 3rd game and all I could think about were my family and fans who came a long way from home to watch me play.
I even came to a point where I just wanted to forfeit my next match, but I couldn't just leave because of what happened in my last match. I lost everything at that moment; confidence and will to do anything.

- At game 4 you played worse than usual. Was it because of you previous game?
▲ The whole decision done by kespa really got me down. However, I cannot blame my 3rd set for losing the 4th set. Regardless of the outside factors, 4th set was a pure loss. That is why after the 4th set I went up to Jaedong hyung and congratulated him as soon as possible.
But I still felt empty because of the refs.

- At set 1, your heater wasn't there
▲ At the first game my hands were near frozen. I was so nervous and my cold hands made me lose set 1 in a disappointing fashion. So my only choice was to get a heater as soon as possible.

- If set 3 was decided to be a rematch, what would've happened?
▲ If there was a rematch, it's no secret that I would've been at a huge advantage. Jaedong hyung prepared a strange build but I also prepared a strange build too. Also, the map is so good for Terran. However, the decision has already been made... It's just depressing.
We were having such a good game too. It's so depressing it had to end that way.

- Both fanbases are still arguing who would've won the game or not
▲ It really is a sad sight to see.
[ T/N: Unlike foreign fanbases + Show Spoiler +
(SHAME ON YOU FOREIGN FANBASES)
Flash fans and Jaedong fans are almost best buddies in Korea. Whenever Jaedong has a fan meeting, Flash fans send gifts and whenever Flash has a fan meeting Jaedong fans send gifts etc etc. Flash fans and Jaedong fans were the holy duo fanbase in Korea. However ever since this shenanigans both fanbases split up and started a huge flame war against each other. ]

I'm not saying this because I lost, but I seriously was at a decent situation at that point. That's why it made me so depressed. After the finals a lot of people told me while practicing that “You were at a decent situation” which made me angrier. His call was unfair to me.
But this isn't the real reason why this whole thing made me angry. I know I'll eventually get over the decision, but what truly made it difficult for me to get over this was their attitude.

3 Referees came up to and told me “We saw the replay, it's over.” But then our coaching staff found out that there was no replay at all. When we confronted them with this evidence, they didn't answer our question and told us “we saw all your mineral, gas and all your units count behind you.”
You were there too journalists sirs, the refs were nowhere near us. I don't think anybody can see the mineral count that far away.
They lied to us yet they just acted like nothing happened. All I ask for is an apology from the referees, yet instead of the referees apologizing to us their boss apologized instead. When the higher ups were apologizing, the refs just stood there staring blankly at us.

I saw the same 3 referees today, and this time they ignored us and kept fooling around with each other and laughing.

It was so absurd.

- You saw Jaedong today
▲ I did see him today, although it did feel really awkward. I didn't have a chance to talk to him, but before I was sent to play we saw each other for a second. We both smiled and exchanged greetings.
Even though I congratulated Jaedong hyung at the MSL finals, I'm still the loser of the finals so I guess there is no other choice but to be awkward. But we're best friends so as time goes by the awkwardness will eventually all vanish.
I will make sure I'll get to the finals next season and not to mention Jaedong Hyung promised me to buy me food when he wins! After the OSL RO8 I kept my promise with Jaedong hyung and bought him a nice dinner too.

- Is there anything you wanted to say about the MSL finals that you couldn't?
▲ This will be the last time I'll be doing an interview related to the whole MSL final, I hope the journalists can respect my decision. I just wish this will never happen to anybody from now on.

- Last words?
▲ A lot of my fans are worried, but I won the OSL and got a silver medal which is more than I expected from myself. Also I still believe there is a lot of room for improvement for me. This is not a tragedy for me, but a whole new experience in the path of my life. Hopefully all of these things will help me become a better player. Our team owner came up to me and told me “This is an experience no other player can ever experience. Think of this whole thing as a trial for you to become a great player.” Many people cheered me up so I will try my best to challenge dual league finals once again.

Also I just want to say Jaedong hyung better be ready. I'm going to order the most expensive dinner in Korea (laughs).




source: Fomos.kr
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Xeofreestyler
Profile Blog Joined June 2005
Belgium6774 Posts
January 26 2010 14:07 GMT
#2
Flash is a cool kid. Good to see he's taking this as an experience.
Graphics
kyzers0ze
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Singapore1073 Posts
January 26 2010 14:07 GMT
#3
his condition today was pretty bad but so was jaedong's
8==========))
SkytoM
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Austria1137 Posts
January 26 2010 14:08 GMT
#4
excellent. gogo flash!
Bisu... ;-(
okum
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
France5778 Posts
January 26 2010 14:08 GMT
#5
Haha, good way to get revenge.

Huge thanks for the translation!
Flash fan before it was cool | Coiner of "jangbang"
motoroia
Profile Joined August 2009
Canada70 Posts
January 26 2010 14:08 GMT
#6
"Unlike foreign fanbases (SHAME ON YOU FOREIGN FANBASES) Flash fans and Jaedong fans are almost best buddies in Korea"

LOL.....mr.hoon, i go to ygosu,sgael,fomos,edaily everyday and THEY ARE NOT BEST BUDDIES.
GGOM BBA and DONG BBA almost hate each other dude..
Endurethetoothache
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States51 Posts
January 26 2010 14:09 GMT
#7
This is why I love (T)Flash! He's just the type of guy that when he gets knocked off the horse, he gets right back up again. Sure, he might have a complaint or two about getting knocked off, but in the end he knows he can't just play in the mud.

Also he's really sincere in the interview. Nice write up Mr. Hoon. Thank you.
There was never yet philosopher That could endure the toothache patiently. (Shakespeare)
Bwenjarin Raffrack
Profile Joined November 2008
United States322 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-01-26 14:18:24
January 26 2010 14:09 GMT
#8
Like many of Flash's interviews, this one was amazingly candid and enlightening. Thank you so much for the translation.

Edit: Also makes KT's intention to boycott much more understandable, to be honest.
I'm not as thunk as dreople pink I am.
Harem
Profile Joined November 2007
United States11393 Posts
January 26 2010 14:10 GMT
#9
Wow, that replay situation is pretty terrible. I hope those refs get fired or something.

Thanks for this though MrHoon~
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MrHoon *
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
10183 Posts
January 26 2010 14:10 GMT
#10
On January 26 2010 23:08 motoroia wrote:
"Unlike foreign fanbases (SHAME ON YOU FOREIGN FANBASES) Flash fans and Jaedong fans are almost best buddies in Korea"

LOL.....mr.hoon, i go to ygosu,sgael,fomos,edaily everyday and THEY ARE NOT BEST BUDDIES.
GGOM BBA and DONG BBA almost hate each other dude..


Obviously not anymore lol have you seriously been to sgael before 12/25?
dats racist
terrOne
Profile Joined September 2009
Italy172 Posts
January 26 2010 14:11 GMT
#11
Flash is such a pro-mannered guy.

How can u not love him
HeLL yeah!
Samurai-
Profile Joined May 2008
Slovenia2035 Posts
January 26 2010 14:11 GMT
#12
'm not saying this because I lost, but I seriously was at a decent situation at that point. That's why it made me so depressed. After the finals a lot of people told me while practicing that “You were at a decent situation” which made me angrier. His call was unfair to me.


So much about all those "opinions".. Totally ruined finals..

At set 1, your heater wasn't there
▲ At the first game my hands were near frozen. I was so nervous and my cold hands made me lose set 1 in a disappointing fashion. So my only choice was to get a heater as soon as possible.


And so much about talking who is better, if the conditions to play are so bad that they can barely move their hands..

So dissapointed..
One ring, to rule them all!
Invictus
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
Singapore2697 Posts
January 26 2010 14:11 GMT
#13
Nice to see this interview about flash! And also im happy that jaedong and flash are best friends haha
Lee Jaedong Fighting!
unionbank
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Australia666 Posts
January 26 2010 14:11 GMT
#14
I would like to congratulate Flash for handling this situation as civil and calmly possible. At a young age he dealt with this bizarre circumstance incredibly well, good to see his moving on. I look forward to seeing more of Flash in the coming years.

and he should go to a han woo 한우 (TOP GRADE A+ MEAT WITH EXCEPTIONAL MARBLING) restaurant and order like a spastic amount of that meat ...instant bankruptcy
김정우.... 이겼다!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
d3_crescentia
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States4054 Posts
January 26 2010 14:12 GMT
#15
all the more reason to hate KeSPA <3

thanks to flash for talking about it and to hoon for translating
once, not long ago, there was a moon here
Plexa
Profile Blog Joined October 2005
Aotearoa39261 Posts
January 26 2010 14:15 GMT
#16
I can't beleive there was no heating. It's fucking midwinter for crying out loud -.-;
Administrator~ Spirit will set you free ~
Space_C0wb0y
Profile Joined March 2009
Germany41 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-01-26 14:18:14
January 26 2010 14:16 GMT
#17
Thanks for the translation! Was a similar interview done with Jaedong? In his winners interview they did not really get into the subject.

EDIT: Heating is probably not needed when they play in booths (or not as much), so maybe MBC just did not think the hole thing through to the end when they decided to use the virtual studio.
konadora *
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Singapore66357 Posts
January 26 2010 14:17 GMT
#18
Gotta love Flash.
POGGERS
KOFgokuon
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States14899 Posts
January 26 2010 14:17 GMT
#19
good interview, thanks
KristianJS
Profile Joined October 2009
2107 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-01-26 14:19:47
January 26 2010 14:18 GMT
#20
Great interview, Flash is incredibly mature for his age. It's pretty shameful for Kespa hearing Flash's account of the referees though =/

EDIT: Also wtf @ no heating for Flash in game 1. I thought the point of the virtual studio was to make the situation optimal for great play =P
You need to be 100% behind someone before you can stab them in the back
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