EPTFlash's MSL Story - Page 18
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Sadist
United States7080 Posts
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StarcraftMan
Canada507 Posts
On January 28 2010 06:02 Fenrax wrote: I just think it is noticeable that people here on TL were saying it is a 99.9% case whereas FlaSh and his testing partners say that FlaSh was still in good shape. I don't know how the situation really was but I am sure that FlaSh and his crew can differentiate between a game that is still open and a game that is 99.9% lost. So all these 99.9% predictions here were wrong. If you argue with that you argue with the KT team's ability to tell if a TvZ is 99.9% or open so please don't argue with that. 60-40, 70-30 is okay, and then KeSpa might even give a win but it was certainly not 99.9%. Yup, those 99.9% for Jaedong predictions are so dumb. What makes them even further dumber is how Flash made a comeback in his latest game against Jaedong in the Shinhan pro league, after the finals. If the game were stopped midway through that match, all the "theory crafts" would have argued Jaedong had a 99.9% chance of winning that one too because of the advantage with his economy, because of this, because of that. At the end of the day, Flash makes a great comeback and shows KESPA why you don't "gift" wins in Starcraft. | ||
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Avidkeystamper
United States8551 Posts
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iloveHieu
United States1919 Posts
In all seriousness though most likely Flash won't be able to get in both finals again and he will be the closest as it gets to dual golds in the history of SC 1 !! | ||
KwarK
United States41602 Posts
On January 28 2010 17:08 iloveHieu wrote: lol @ the most expensive dinner in Korea.. In all seriousness though most likely Flash won't be able to get in both finals again and he will be the closest as it gets to dual golds in the history of SC 1 !! I thought NaDa had already done it and Savior has definitely held both titles at the same time, if only for a week. | ||
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ssj114
Afghanistan461 Posts
Seriously, true champions win grand slams. Watch Wimbledon 2009 final, Federer verses Roddick. Watch how Federer saves 4 set points to prevent going down 2 sets to love down. Watch how Federer saves 2 crucial game points in the 5th set to prevent Roddick serving for the match. Watch how Federer wins the match, despite having twins on the way, getting married recently and under the gaze of legendary people he admired, worshipped and played against. Seriously, Flash and his excuses. True champions find a way to win, no matter what the situation. Flash is young. He has minimal distractions. By the time he learns to deal with the pressure, he will have many distractions in life, and I doubt he'll be able to be a true champion like Roger Federer. | ||
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ssj114
Afghanistan461 Posts
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pat777
United States356 Posts
On January 28 2010 17:13 KwarK wrote: I thought NaDa had already done it and Savior has definitely held both titles at the same time, if only for a week. Not sure if I am misreading your statement but Savior lost to Bisu after his osl run. Though NaDa was able to do it because he is so 1337. | ||
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moopie
12605 Posts
Great interview. Good to read that Flash is in good spirits, and it sounds like he's more determined than ever. Also nice to put all that "OMG IT WAS 99.99%" shit to rest. Also I just want to say Jaedong hyung better be ready. I'm going to order the most expensive dinner in Korea (laughs). XD | ||
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butchji
Germany1531 Posts
On January 28 2010 17:32 ssj114 wrote: Flash losing because his hands are cold? Flash losing because he was mentally scarred from losing Game 3? Seriously, true champions win grand slams. Watch Wimbledon 2009 final, Federer verses Roddick. Watch how Federer saves 4 set points to prevent going down 2 sets to love down. Watch how Federer saves 2 crucial game points in the 5th set to prevent Roddick serving for the match. Watch how Federer wins the match, despite having twins on the way, getting married recently and under the gaze of legendary people he admired, worshipped and played against. Seriously, Flash and his excuses. True champions find a way to win, no matter what the situation. Flash is young. He has minimal distractions. By the time he learns to deal with the pressure, he will have many distractions in life, and I doubt he'll be able to be a true champion like Roger Federer. Did Federer do this stuff at the age of 17? | ||
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Elroi
Sweden5566 Posts
On January 28 2010 03:26 Fenrax wrote: Good that all players on this site said that the game was 99.999% won for Jaedong. More lies. They thought they were on the safe side because MBC had replies and all and they wouldn't make a wrong decision. Usually a safe bet. When I watched the game I felt it was open, maybe favored for JD but far from decided, and when I was reading the comments of the experts here who said it was over 99% over I was really confused. Now that I have read Flash's opinion on all this I know whom I want to believe. That really disappoints me most, all these teamliquid "pros" lying about what they should think the gamestate was because they thought KesPa had the replay. If any of you reads this: Ha Ha Ha. I will never ever again believe a word you say. You are just mediocre players with mediocre talent and too much time on your hand to practice micro and buildorders. But your strategical knowledge and feeling is as bad or even worse than mine or that of any other B-D player. I am incredibly disappointed by what I read on this page by people whose opinion I used to trust. Yeah because people are always unbiased when they are analysing their own games. I guess you believe that Maradonas hand ball in 1986 actually was the hand of god too? (I meand, he was there, he should know...) | ||
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Samurai-
Slovenia2035 Posts
On January 28 2010 17:32 ssj114 wrote: Flash losing because his hands are cold? Flash losing because he was mentally scarred from losing Game 3? Seriously, true champions win grand slams. Watch Wimbledon 2009 final, Federer verses Roddick. Watch how Federer saves 4 set points to prevent going down 2 sets to love down. Watch how Federer saves 2 crucial game points in the 5th set to prevent Roddick serving for the match. Watch how Federer wins the match, despite having twins on the way, getting married recently and under the gaze of legendary people he admired, worshipped and played against. Seriously, Flash and his excuses. True champions find a way to win, no matter what the situation. Flash is young. He has minimal distractions. By the time he learns to deal with the pressure, he will have many distractions in life, and I doubt he'll be able to be a true champion like Roger Federer. Yeah, and specialy that time where the match was interrupted due to power failure, where Roddick was in a better position because he was leading 4:2, and the set was just given to Roddick .. Seriously, this is probably one of the most retarded comparisson i have ever read.. | ||
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Elroi
Sweden5566 Posts
On January 28 2010 19:06 Samurai- wrote: Yeah, and specialy that time where the match was interrupted due to power failure, where Roddick was in a better position because he was leading 4:2, and the set was just given to Nadal.. Seriously, this is probably one of the most retarded comparisson i have ever read.. Don't you think it's a little too much whine? Whining over game 3 is ok. But cold hands? Mindset in game 4? That doesn't sound like a champion to me either. I can't see JD say those things. | ||
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RowdierBob
Australia12794 Posts
On January 28 2010 17:32 ssj114 wrote: Flash losing because his hands are cold? Flash losing because he was mentally scarred from losing Game 3? Seriously, true champions win grand slams. Watch Wimbledon 2009 final, Federer verses Roddick. Watch how Federer saves 4 set points to prevent going down 2 sets to love down. Watch how Federer saves 2 crucial game points in the 5th set to prevent Roddick serving for the match. Watch how Federer wins the match, despite having twins on the way, getting married recently and under the gaze of legendary people he admired, worshipped and played against. Seriously, Flash and his excuses. True champions find a way to win, no matter what the situation. Flash is young. He has minimal distractions. By the time he learns to deal with the pressure, he will have many distractions in life, and I doubt he'll be able to be a true champion like Roger Federer. Completely agree. It's pretty piss-weak for flash to spit the dummy like that over a game he had all-but lost. Yes I accept he wasn't completely out of it, but any rational BW fan can recongnise the big advantage JD had in game 3 when the lights went out. If Flash were a true champion, the situation would have only galvinised his resolve to win rather than dissolving it. | ||
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Fenrax
United States5018 Posts
Flash lost that game, but that is not important. HyuN cheated on economy early and FlaSh was on 2 base vs. 5 base with Defiler Tech and Ultra tech forever. The economic situation in this game was similar to the situation in set 3 of MSL finals, probably even worse for FlaSh. HyuN had far more bases than FlaSh and had his tech completed quite early. In this game FlaSh had some tanks and more Science Vessels than in MSL finals but HyuN also had a way bigger army and his key expos way better fortified than Jaedong. And despite being on far less bases than HyuN FlaSh came really close to winning the game. The main reason why he lost the game was because HyuN had taken and fortified the top left and thus there was just no expansion left for FlaSh to take. But the important thing is that FlaSh kept map control with M&M for an extremely long time against an opponent who was on a far more bases than him and had Ultras and Defilers. So even if Jaedong is far better than HyuN FlaSh has shown that he is capable of doing this and that this is a viable strategy. He has also proven in the 3rd set of MSL finals that he can micro M&M against Jaedong's UltraLingDefiler cost effective. In that set there were plenty of bases left for FlaSh to take and Jaedong had no army at all to pressure FlaSh. Considering the intensity of the fights for the 7 o clock it is safe to assume that Jaedong had no army and no resources saved up, he had thrown everything he had to defend the 7 c clock. The 1 Defiler, the Ultras and Lings that are talked about that would be able to hold the 7 o clock were Jaedongs complete army. That is of course perfectly fine for an Eco Zerg but it means that it is also safe to assume that FlaSh would be able to rebuild at least 2-4 Science Vessels, a few tanks and a good number of M&M before JD would be able to put pressure at FlaSh for the first time in the game. So FlaSh's late game plan could be to expand to the top half of the map, keep map control with M&M for a while and build up Vessels and Tanks and then go to a normal late game. | ||
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okum
France5776 Posts
On January 28 2010 17:32 ssj114 wrote: Flash is young. He has minimal distractions. This reminds me of: Bart: Man, I'm so bored. Milhouse: Wait until we're teenagers, then we'll be happy. | ||
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danbel1005
United States1319 Posts
On January 26 2010 23:01 MrHoon wrote: Flash's Interview: - Last words? "...Also I just want to say Jaedong hyung better be ready. I'm going to order the most expensive dinner in Korea (laughs)..." source: Fomos.kr I would do exactly the same thing  | ||
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Klive5ive
United Kingdom6056 Posts
On January 28 2010 19:53 Fenrax wrote: The best match to show that FlaSh still had a chance is FlaSh vs. HyuN Flash lost that game, but that is not important. HyuN cheated on economy early and FlaSh was on 2 base vs. 5 base with Defiler Tech and Ultra tech forever. The economic situation in this game was similar to the situation in set 3 of MSL finals, probably even worse for FlaSh. HyuN had far more bases than FlaSh and had his tech completed quite early. In this game FlaSh had some tanks and more Science Vessels than in MSL finals . So FlaSh's late game plan could be to expand to the top half of the map, keep map control with M&M for a while and build up Vessels and Tanks and then go to a normal late game. That really isn't a good comparison to make. For a start you can't compare Hyun's late game control to Jaedongs and secondly the vessel and tank count are ESSENTIAL to counter high upgraded Ultralisks. There is no merit in "comparison"; just analyse the game as it ended and consider possible ways for Flash to win... there are basically none. | ||
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Subversive
Australia2229 Posts
On January 28 2010 17:32 ssj114 wrote: Flash losing because his hands are cold? Flash losing because he was mentally scarred from losing Game 3? Seriously, true champions win grand slams. Watch Wimbledon 2009 final, Federer verses Roddick. Watch how Federer saves 4 set points to prevent going down 2 sets to love down. Watch how Federer saves 2 crucial game points in the 5th set to prevent Roddick serving for the match. Watch how Federer wins the match, despite having twins on the way, getting married recently and under the gaze of legendary people he admired, worshipped and played against. Seriously, Flash and his excuses. True champions find a way to win, no matter what the situation. Flash is young. He has minimal distractions. By the time he learns to deal with the pressure, he will have many distractions in life, and I doubt he'll be able to be a true champion like Roger Federer. I agree 100%. Flash will NEVER win Wimbledon. ... PLUS PLUS PLUSSSS Federer has won every single game he's ever played. Every single game! That's what makes a true champion. This Flash kid, what a noob. And as for JD and Bisu, I mean, come on. I've seen them lose sooo many games. They haven't achieved what Federer has. No way. And they're almost 20, pfft over the hill. EDIT: Oh and I don't think Bisu or JD have twins either so GG. Federer for bonjwa. | ||
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NoobSkills
United States1591 Posts
On January 28 2010 19:14 Elroi wrote: Don't you think it's a little too much whine? Whining over game 3 is ok. But cold hands? Mindset in game 4? That doesn't sound like a champion to me either. I can't see JD say those things. Pick a video game you're very good at. Wake up. Get on that game. If your fingers feel chilled to the bone then you're good to play. If that game is starcraft when you lose compare your APM to previous games. I doubt you've ever played video games @ a pro level. When your fingers feel cold to the bone there is NOTHING you can do to beat even an average player. I don't think in the right fashion while playing starcraft to be any good at it, but COD4 CODMW2 Halo3 R6 and many other shooters I have played and won at the pro level. Do not underestimate cold hands it limits the amount of control you have over you character and 1 mistake can cost you big time. | ||
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